Ukrainian officials are now claiming a Russian invasion of four to five thousand ground troops backed by columns of tanks and other armored vehicles, a dramatic escalation from yesterday’s claims of about 1,000 such troops.
As with yesterday’s allegations, Ukraine is offering no evidence to back up the claims, and the reports coming out of the region suggest such a massive invasion is not likely to be happening at all.
Ukraine’s government not offering backup for its allegations is nothing new, but is particularly conspicuous today, as media provides images of the few hundred rebel fighters’ advance in southeastern Ukraine, but offers nothing to support the claims that thousands of Russian troops and armor are traveling with them.
The US, which had been rubber stamping Ukrainian allegations for months, seems to be particularly hesitant this time, and is saying they can’t independently confirm any of the allegations being made this time. President Obama, who was eager to exploit the claims to push more sanctions, still did not lend any credence to the claims actually being true, and yesterday said nothing the US saw happening in the east was a “shift” in Russian policy.
Ukraine’s wild allegations have become so common and so often untrue that they have very little credibility left, and indeed this is the third separate invasion they’ve alleged to have taken place in the past week.
So far, the only “invasion” that had any truth to it at all was the one where Russian trucks delivered humanitarian aid to the city of Luhansk, and while Ukraine was eager to chalk it up to a military invasion, the trucks left the following day.
As with the phantom “column” on armored vehicles Ukraine claimed to have destroyed earlier this month, the lack of photographic evidence speaks volumes, and the allegations seem to be aimed primarily at getting increased “emergency aid” as opposed to informing people about the actual situation on the ground.
There are no Russian army in Ukraine,but it is true that russian volonteers are fighting with separatists. The same haoppened durind chechen war.ukrainiams nationalists were fighting against russians.There is also the private army of Kolomosky fighting against separatists,better equiped,more agressive the regular army,
The Kiev junta is more delusional than Hitler in his bunker.
Unfortunately, they're not the only ones who are delusional. Add Washington, NATO and the presstitute media.
I wish.
And then you have bizarre "news" articles like this one at the BBC, where the author (some "diplomatic correspondent") makes the case based on one observed model of tank which is "distinguished by the prominent Kontakt-5 Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) arrangement ….commonly referred to by Western sources as the T-72BM… operated by the Russian Army in large numbers".
But a quick read on the topic of T-72 models and manufacturers already leads to the realization that these models are being produced in east Ukraine of all places! No wonder if there were no markings then, this one might have come from the production line in the same general region!
And surely they are using the unmarked no-man’s land which the media calls "sacrosanct" border to transport material across the country (instead of going through contested area).
It's been a long time since I've seen mainstream press this far off. We're all Dick Cheney now? The Chenification of the political-media Axis of Evil?
It's pretty obvious what;s going on here. The reports in the western presstitute media of the Ukrainian army defeating the rebels over the last month or so was a lie.(surprise!) Now the rebels are cleaning the collapsing Ukrainian army's clocks(confirmed by the junta's desperate pleas for weapons and NATO membership)and the nazi junta, the idiots in Washington and NATO had to make up more lies to cover up how badly this latest neocon excellent adventure has gone awry. Hence, the daily shrieking about phantom Russian "invasions." Of course, the corporate "media" is never shy about making ***** out of themselves.
The first war by twitter…
Still, the likelihood of the "russian volunteers" being actually plausibly deniable russian troops in reduced numbers hovers around 99%. It makes sense – I don't believe for an instant that the separatists could go on the offensive, still less with "a few hundred men", even with cross-border artillery support.. But apparently the decision was made to use regular troops and conscripts in this black operation, a less-than-ideal decision. Western publication of info may even be held back to allow Russia to save face and find a new terrain of consensus. (Does Ukraine fly Global Hawks with Gorgon Stare capability or are they firmly rooted in 20th century technology?) It's what I would do. While drinking vodka with the usual suspects (but no neocons please)
Many of the East Ukrainians are ex military. They are also protecting their homes and land. They can leave behind and go to Russia penniless or stay and fight. That is a pretty strong incentive to stay and fight. The Nazis in Western Ukraine were promising free land to come drive the Eastern Ukrainians out. This is a life and death struggle for the Eastern Ukrainians. I really don't think they need Russian troops to help them. I have little doubt Russian special forces are helping supply them arms and logistics support. Just like I have little doubt the CIA is providing Western Ukraine arms and logistics support.
"…aimed primarily at getting increased “emergency aid”…"
because the Ukraine government has tapped out the Treasury. And to make things worse, the eastern oblasts are where the majority of Ukrainian industry is located as well as the majority of the coal fields – most of which have all been shuttered – thereby stopping any funds to the Treasury through trade. Kiev has cut their own throats through their ill-advised nationalistic extremism…and they think that the US/NATO will now come and bail them out by throwing money at them.
Surprise, surprise!!!!
There are Russian volunteers fighting for the Eastern Ukrainians certainly.
But that does not mean that Russia itself is involved.
There are thousands of US and UK jihadis fighting in Isil/Isis it doesn't mean that Britain and America are involved….Oops ?????
Haha. No not a very good example. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the Russians are supplying supplies and logistics support. I know I would if I was the Russian government. I have no doubt the US is supplying the west with the same support.
The "proof" NATO gives shows a satellite photo of 9 vehicles.
Keep in mind when the federalists took control in East Ukraine, they captured armories with quite a lot equipment, including trucks SPA and such. More came from defectors who switched sides, and lastly, much came from the capture of equipment when the Kiev regimes southern offensive collapsed.
As far as Russian's fighting in this conflict? What Russians? This was all part of one country a couple of decades ago. The idea that Russian speaking people that lived in Eastern Ukraine don't have relatives across the border that would be willing to fight for those that oppose the rabidly anti-Russian Kiev regime is just silly.
There is no real proof. And even if the NATO analysts could be trusted to tell the truth, there is the fact that the same organization confirmed WMD in Iraq for the pretext to invade Iraq in 2003……Then again, was any of their claims honest about that? Or the Syria pretext of chemical attacks? Or the Qaddafi's killing of (armed to the teeth) "civilians" in Benghazi? Sometimes it seems that if there is any truth in what NATO, the media or governments tell us, it is purely coincidence.
It is all babies in incubators… hahahaha
Or babies being impaled in German spikes.
Interesting to note that bloggers are starting to admit that there are Russians fighting in Ukraine. That they might be contractors' mercernaries, ultra-nationalist Russian gangs, Russian street thugs or offical army troops, the Russian government is responsible for securing its own frontier so as to ensure that such people do not cross back and forth freely from Russia to Ukraine. If it does not do so, it must be considered complicit in the violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and take the consequences of that complicity. Indeed, one must ask if their really is a "rebellion" at all or is the whole thing just another US neocon scam that is blowing up in their faces (don't they all!). My friend in Kharkov has alwasys been mystified at all the talk about dissatisfaction among the ethnic Russians or of any demand for "federalism" or annexation to Russia, whether on their part or anyone else's. And as long as Putin thumbs his nose at the international community, a terrified Israel will lash out in blind panic in Gaza as it watches its American protector capitulating.
"They took the babies out of the incubators and left them to die on the cold floor" sob sob sob sob….
Hey liar. How many Russian invasions have there been now. It seems like there are 3 or 4 every week. LMAO.
After Clinton's adventure in Kosovo all bets are off.
Payback is a b***h, isn't it Bill?
the problem is for DC is that things are not turning out as planned and (a) the installation of the US faucet on Russian gas to Europe is battering the foundations of the US-European alliance and (B) the huge bill for reconstructing the Ukraine no matter who wins landing with a large thump on DC's doorstep and a fight between R and D over whose fault this is which is what Putin wants.
Evidence? We don't need no stinkin' evidence!
Kiev is loosing the war against the anti Kiev resistance. Their soldiers are demotivated and badly treated. Kiev forces consists mainly of far right fascist elements supported by CIA proxy mercenaries. That's why they are making up these stories to get NATO involved.
Kiev is loosing the war against the anti Kiev resistance. Their soldiers are demotivated and badly treated. Kiev forces consists mainly of far right fascist elements
Kiev is loosing the war against the anti Kiev resistance. Their soldiers are demotivated and badly treated. Kiev forces consists mainly of far right fascist elements and proxi mercenaries.
Why do you think Ukraine has to "prove" anything to you?
It seems (for reasons I won't pretend to understand) that the author of this article and those of a similar mindset think if they deny reality, reality doesn't exist.
It's a fools paradise you're imagining my friends.
The dogs of war are beginning to gather and pretending they're not doesn't make you smart, it makes you dumb.
The systematic destruction of Russia's economy has already begun.
Let me clue you in on something the leaders of the Allied Powers understand and you obviously don't.
If Russia continues on it's current course it will lead to war.
Vladimir Putin may think Russia can destroy Ukraine with impunity.
It can't.
So after ALL the lies USA/NATO has said in the last 20 years you still believe them? SO what are you: A SHILL OR A FOOL?
let's list some of USA actions:
it's NOT Russia but USA who attacked Iraq in 1990.
It's NOT Russia but USA who bombed Iraq during the 1990s.
Its' NOT Russia but USA who lied Iraq had imaginary "weapons of mass distraction" during 2001-2003.
It's NOT Russia but USA who attacked and occupied Iraq in 20013.
It's NOT Russia but USA who attacked and occupied Afghanistan in 2001
It's NOT Russia but USA who has attacked and bombed Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Lybia, Sudan, etc, etc,
Indeed, Facts are stupid things like Ronnie said.
insolent lies USA has used in the last decade to start up wars:
1990 babies taken out of incubators and left to die on cold hospital floor
1990-1999 Saddam working on nuclear weapons
2001 Osama engineered and did 9-11
2001-2003 Saddam has ties with Ali Queda
2001-2003 Saddam has weapons of mass distraction (Colin Powell, Bush jr, Cheney, Condy Rice, etc)
2002-2203 Saddam working on weapons of mass distraction
2002-2003 Saddam working on acquiring nuclear weapons
2001 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2001 Iran has ties with Ali Queda
2002 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2003 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2004 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2005 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2006 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2007 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2008 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2009 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2010 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2011 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2012 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2013 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2013 Assad gassed his own people (part 1)
2013 Assad gassed his own people (part 2)
2014 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2014 Assad gassed his own people (part 3)
Let's leave for now the lies USA used to start the Vietnam war, the Korean war, WWII, war againts SPain and so on.
I think I'm dealing with rational people and not paid shills but I could be wrong.
The problem with your post my friend is it suggests you are prone to delusion.
Your opinion of America means nothing to me or to America.
Russia is walking a dangerous path and it would be wise of her to turn back before it is too late.
Delusion because he tells the truth? Of course you don't care what the world thinks about your country because facing reality is too much. Everything petkov said are FACTS, not opinions like "Your opinion of America means nothing to me or to America".
You are not the world my friend.
Kiev is persuaded that everyone living in Ukraine must share its point of view, speak the ukrainian which is a mix of old slavonic and polish.This line was pushed during 20 years and people are feed up with that.Novorussia is a territory (-separatists region) given to Ukraine by bolcheviks.They speak russian there for more than 300 years.They first did not want any autonomy,just the respect of their culture.They naively tought that because Maydan took control of all ministries during weeks,that they have the same rights.Instead of that they were called terrorists and attaked by Kiev thanks.The Kiev press wash the brains of all ukrainians and people are really persuaded that Russia pushed the separatist revolt.In fact, in the beginning the Berkut troups called fashists by the Maydan people and coming back home were the first actors in the separatist movement.
James Corbett has an illuminating open source video/podcast entitled "Crashes of Convenience" that spins a dark picture of what happened to the Malaysia Airlines downed plane. We don't hear anything about this anymore in the MSM. http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-294-crashes-…. Also, very interesting and dismal is that Ukraine is the hub of human trafficking in Europe and that most of the oligarchs in Ukraine (and Russia) have dual citizenship in Israel. Factoids that bespeak some uglier truth about immoral profiteering that has no regard for human lives or freedoms.
M13
“Russia is walking a dangerous path…”
But for what logical purpose is your illusion? For Putin being steadfast neutral, not even giving the freedom fighting Federalists verbal support, surely he holds the moral high ground and stands to come out of this NATO backed fiasco smelling like a rose.
For everyone with a liking for history or reality, a NATO backed false flag operation is all the bullet holes pumped into the fuselage and the 300 victims of the passenger plane, a thing that only the high caliber cannon of a fighter-jet could accomplish.
And as it was the NATO powers that created the Ukraine fascist coup government, could be a class action lawsuit will someday expose all the facts to the full light of day.