US intelligence determined in September 2022 that there was a 50% chance of Russia using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine, a new book by journalist Bob Woodward alleges, The Associated Press reported Wednesday.
According to the book, titled “War,” the warning came in late September 2022, with US intelligence believing Russia could use a nuke if its forces were surrounded in Kherson City. Russia withdrew from the city not long after, in November 2022.
The book says the warning caused alarm within the Biden administration as it moved the chance of Russia using a nuclear weapon from 5% or 10% way up to 50%. Around the same time, President Biden said publicly that the risk of nuclear “armageddon” was higher than it had been at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
“I don’t think there is any such a thing as the ability to easily use a tactical nuclear weapon and not end up with Armageddon,” Biden told donors at a fundraiser in New York City in October 2022. “We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis.”
Despite the huge risk of nuclear war, Biden did not alter course on US involvement in the proxy war, which has only escalated since then. The Woodward book says that the US issued several warnings and threats on the potential consequences of what could happen if Russia used a nuclear weapon in Ukraine.
Woodward says that Biden told National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan to “get on the line with the Russians. Tell them what we will do in response.” In September 2022, Sullivan said publicly that Russia would suffer “catastrophic consequences” if it used a nuke and said the US conveyed that in private conversations. A few months later, The Wall Street Journal reported that Sullivan had been holding secret talks with Russian officials.
The Woodward book says that Biden also sent a message to Putin that there would be “catastrophic consequences” if a nuke was used, but there has been no known contact between Biden and the Russian leader since Russia launched its invasion in February 2022.
The book also says that when Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke with then-Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu in October 2022, he warned, “Any use of nuclear weapons on any scale against anybody would be seen by the United States and the world as a world-changing event. There is no scale of nuclear weapons that we could overlook or that the world could overlook.”
The risk of the Ukraine proxy war turning nuclear is still very high as Putin has ordered changes to Russia’s nuclear doctrine in direct response to threats of escalation from the West, specifically the idea of the US and NATO supporting long-range strikes inside Russian territory. The US appeared poised to sign off on the long-range strikes but seems to have backed down, at least for now.
"US Thought Risk of Russia Using a Nuclear Weapon Was at 50% in 2022…" And why are we provoking WWIII? …Oh, I get it. It's because we're already in WWIII. …That makes total sense. Carry on. …Wait!? wut
It’s only half. We are waiting for the 95% threat level because casino morons.
Yes. If it's not at-or-exceeding two Standard Deviations, then don't bother to worry ?
Like, what is the over/under.
https://www.forbes.com/betting/guide/over-under/
The Russians are stupid. We threaten them with “catastrophic consequences” if they used nukes while we provoke them to use nukes nonstop. It's good that we believe us when we say there is no risk of “catastrophic consequences.” We are so smart compared to the Russians. Keep provoking the "unprovoked and unjustified" “catastrophic consequences!”
50%
Consider that.
A GODS-DAMNED COIN-TOSS.
What is the West playing at ??
How about a 100% chance of an extinction level event IF deep strikes are launched into Russia with missiles using American guidance systems.
What would America do if any country except Russia launched strikes into the continental United States hitting targets in Washington or New York with Russian conventional missiles that were given to them?
What if the Mexican drug cartels launched missiles acquired from Russia into America?
Due to their fascist white-hot hatred of Russia the Ukrainians would sooner provoke World War III with nukes than negotiate a peace treaty.
no
we are not fascist
and take a REALLY good guess, using your bright American mind about why we would hate the rus.
Hint: Its because they invaded us
YOU aren't. Most of your fellow citizens aren't.
Your State absolutely is. Banning elections, political opponents, media outlets, religions, forbidding emigration, embracing ultranationalists and racist policies – sorry, C. Bob Vila, but your faltering homeland is checking all the [Far-Right Fascist] diagnostic boxes.
If it's any consolation, with another Trump presidency and Project 2025, the USA will pale your Ukraine by comparison in all such regards.
And for some reason, I find no comfort in whatever "project" is in store for me if the cackling biatch happens to get elected.
It won’t be a program of White Christian Nationalist supremacy, a DOJ under direct Presidential authority, and a dismantling of the EPA and Department of Education, at least.
But yes, it WILL be more support for the ASI and Ukraine, and More Of The Same in other foreign arenas, with a Harris presidency.
Project 2025 is still Project 2025. I'm assuming there will be a goodly amount of opposition to a lot of Project 2025's main goals.
Opposition from whom or what ? It’s a plan intended to be invoked using both the powers the office of President currently holds AND the powers that President will grant himself.
I mean, you’ll excuse me if I was underf**kingwhelmed by the “opposition” to the USA P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, the Afghan invasion, the Iraq invasion, US domestic spying, abdication of Congressional responsibilities, extrajudicial Presidential kill lists, related drone strikes…basically late 1999 to present.
The US Patriot act was brought about during a time of extreme jingoism. The wars were fine since they weren't on our soil and the casualties were low. This is Trump. There IS opposition to him.
True – but I fear the opposition to Trump is of the same strength and will as every Left- or Right-leaning Hollywood actor who swears up & down they’re moving out of the USA if / when Undesirable Right- or Left-leaning presidential candidate wins. Then they don’t. None of them ever do. The money’s too good to give up so their vaunted moral stand gets quickly forgotten.
I fear those opposed to Trump, if he wins and when things get terrible, will just bluster and moan on Twitter, do sh*t-all of any practical use, be distracted by a late Patriots surge in the NFL season or a new reality show or a shiny iPhone with AI Photo Slimming technology, and just go along to get along.
Recent history shows no atrocity that can actually motivate Americans (anyone in the First World, really) to do something different than They Always Do.
It's hard to argue with what you say. I just think it's too far reaching, especially if they try to implement everything all at once, to not have some strong opposition. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part but maybe Project 2025 will turn out to be a good thing but not in a way its adherents envisioned.
better than the neo fascists
most of us aren’t
ZELENSKYY is a liberal
Like 75 percent of the parties in the Verkhovna Rada are liberal
The Azov has been mostly depoliticised
The largest far right party, Svoboda, is a minority that we laugh at.
And we are not banning elections, political opponents, religions, or embracing racist policies.
If so, please enlighten me
Sigh………………..
Yep.
The National Socialists of Germany 's '30s and '40s were not socialists.
The "Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea" is only 1/4 of those things.
Last year in my province of British Columbia, the BC Liberal Party (which was always Center-Right) rebranded as BC United – only a month ago then tacitly ally with and then merge with the BC Conservative Party. A Liberal Party merging with Conservatives.
Baltic states, Turkey, Romania, potentially Georgia in a North ATLANTIC Treaty Organization.
My points being, don't get caught up in names. Your "liberals" may be LINOs (Liberals In Name Only) like many others are. America's "leftist" Democrats are center-Right most other places.
Azov and Svoboda are neo-Nazis; this is a fact in evidence, same as their aspirations for power, and their undue influence and open presence in Ukraine's military.
Zelenskiyy's government absolutely banned the presidential election from going forward. His gov't absolutely banned the Russian Orthodox Church. His gov't banned a half-dozen opposition parties. And the racist policies have been fact since Donbas fell apart.
Neither your ignorance of, nor your apologetics for, these established facts will change the reality in the country you expect to wander back into after the war & collect a job and prosperity. The ultranationalists who ARE the best fighters & most likely to survive, WILL see you as a "deserter" or "draft-dodger" and I legitimately fear for your life if you stroll back into Kiev with your health & University degree & safe recent history asking, "So, what'd I miss ?"
don’t call me ignorant of my own country’s politics like you wouldn’t like me calling you ignorant of canadian politics
Then stop displaying a willful ignorance.
i donttt
Also, Gonzalo Lira , an American citizen.
There once was a village mentally challenged child……….
Worse – to make the comparison more accurate, it'd be like if the Russian Federation or the cartels launched long-range missiles into the USA that hit St. Louis, or Des Moines, or Denver.
Moscow is getting into Russia's sociopolitical "heartland" and that carries more weight than Kursk or "border region cities."
Reading Woody is like reading a CIA press release … so, always ask yourself, why am I being given this information?
In this case, I suspect it's a case of making Bidey boy look like an uncompromising negotiator a la "back off Putin, or I'll shoot" and "staring down the Russian bear" … utter unbelievable election year hagiography nonsense.
The Biden Bros never say how much more deadly the Russian Nukes are than U.S. Nukes…… It's 4000 times…..!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm sorry?
half of them are probably broken to begin with
and 4k??????????????????
where did you imagine that number?
I'm sorry. You think so? Why do the Russians have hypersonic missiles and we don't? Why do the Russians have more advanced fighters than we have? Why do you think Russia is smart enough not to have 800 military bases all over the planet to bleed money?
the russian hijpersonic missiles were all shot down
the rus are so scared of losing their jets they never even fly them over ukraine, not even the temporarily occupied territories.
and they barely have any of them. The russian military is more extreme disheartening than the anti-semitism you'll find on a nazi site
No imagination. The Americans have developed dial-a-yield lower-power warheads as the Russian Federation (parent of Tsar Bomba, mind you) has built double-digit-megatonnage torpedo drones and hypersonics.
Lard tunderin', the USA only places as high as 6th on largest nuclear bomb test list, and THAT was only because they miscalculated the additive effect of Lithium so the Castle Bravo test ended up ~3x bigger'n expected.
ok
Woodward is a tool of the deep state apparatus, IMO. He is riding on his long ago bona fides.
I don't have much use for Woodward either but I believe he's spot on with this. It's just too believable.
He has incredible spin built in. And, I mean who gives AF if Trump sent covid tests to Russia? He plays into the Russiagate hoax.
Oh, no doubt. The 50% just struck me even with a hack pointing it out.
Yeah. That part is probably true, but there is little that I’ve heard so far that truly criticizes Biden. I have no plans to read the book.
I think this part is intended to make Biden a man tough as steel, in the face of risk bs.
I won't read it either. I went back and reread this article and I couldn't agree with you more. He certainly makes Biden out to be a stable capable leader. I guess that 50% chance of nuclear war doesn't scare the shit out of Woodward like it did me. ESPECIALLY with Biden at the helm.
I’m so sick of “Trump is the evilest most dastardly villain on Earth controlled by Putin, Satan himself” narrative every time.
I can’t stand Trump. But if people could accept that he is just your average swamp creature with a nasty mouth, and leave behind manufactured terror, perhaps people would actually vote for Stein instead of the vapid puppet, who is “rescuing democracy from the clutches of Hitler”.
Exactly. Other than the theatrics, he’s basically Joe Biden with a lower golf handicap.
I remember when son-in- law Jared had planes laden with medical equipment ceased, saying that it did not belong to the states.
What good is government access if you can’t grift off it?
If Woodward's "crossed the street" then how many other old-school capital-j Journalists need we start to doubt ??
Probably all of them?
To quote Ben Kenobi from ROTJ, “Then the Empire…has already won.”
Except younger generations have abandoned the pipeline. Which is why they (PTB) are losing their minds fighting to kill the first amendment.
And the 4th and the 5th, and perhaps the 12th.