Iran’s nuclear talks are ongoing, which if you’re checking your watch means it is time for Israel to start threatening war again. In an interview, Israeli FM Yair Lapid played up action “against the Iranian threat.“
Lapid also talked up the idea of not informing the US of the attack, saying Israel doesn’t need anybody’s permission to attack Iran. He was critical of the ongoing nuclear talks, though he did concede there was as yet no “bad deal” made.
Israel’s last round of threats involved military officials, first talking up their capabilities then later walking back the idea of a unilateral attack, suggesting Israel lacked the ability for a sustained attack.
Lapid, on the other hand, suggested Israel has near unlimited capabilities, saying even world experts couldn’t imagine all the things Israel is capable of. He did not elaborate nor suggest what this entailed.
Israel’s capabilities are often officially underplayed, with their nuclear arsenal one of the world’s worst kept secrets. That said, Israel has often internally tried to spin their military successes as them being God’s favored people. That has led to a narrative, popular on Israel’s right, that they are militarily invincible. While clearly that can only take them so far, over-confidence also risks them starting foolish conflicts.
What an awful story. Make peace you fools. No one wins in a war.
Big warmonger banks always win in a war.
That is why we were dragged into WWI. Banks that bet on the wrong side were losing. Wilson campaigned on our not entering the fracas. Wilson also signed the document giving the Federal Reserve a liftoff. Immediately after, he regretted his action. But not WWI.
“Gods favored people”-show me where mainstream Israelis believe this.
The article says that’s Israel’s internal narrative rather than the belief of mainstream Israelis. Do tell though – what do mainstream Israelis believe? They keep voting for this awful apartheid, surely there must be some belief or reasoning behind it.
1.Look at the people WE vote for.
2. The Iranian threats move Israelis to the right.
If we were to make a column of who has threatened who since the JCPOA was signed, which country would have more entries, Iran or Israel? And if we made another column about who has done actual attacks on the other, who would have more entries? But sure, let’s go with the Israeli’s had no choice but to become rabid right wingers.
Western leaders are pretty bad, but they don’t have apartheid situations the way Israel does in the West Bank and Gaza.
In terms of Iran threatening Israel – the bulk of violence seems to be going the other way. Israel has for the past couple of decades repeatedly attacked Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. They’ve got nuclear weapons and haven’t signed the non proliferation treaty. And they’ve encouraged America to attack Middle Eastern countries – including Iran.
The real threat is the one that attacks first.
Ah, poor jake.
How can you report and flag a comment for hate speech against Israel when it is the SENIOR EDITOR of the website?!!?
Hahaha.
B.S.- I “reported” no one for anthing. You sound like the spoiled little child running to the teacher to “report”.
2.Man gave his opinion-I questioned it.
Even avowed atheists like Ben Gurion appealed to “Promised Land” dogma. However much you’d like to secularize Zionism, it’s religious at its core, as are its adherents.
While there may be friction between between various factions,people are free to practice as they choose,some folks drive cars on the sabbath,some don’t.
Some German Nazis drove cars on the autobahn and some didn’t, and….?
You wrote: “Gods favored people”-show me where mainstream Israelis believe this.
To which I provided the example of one of the most famous ‘atheist’ Jews who, curiously, predicated his worldview upon an explicitly religious belief. Here’s some more info on Israel’s ostensibly ‘secular’ founding fathers:
Good luck trying to deflect, Jake. Judging by the straw man you present, you’re going to need it.
When I used the word “chosen” you labeled me as an anti-Semite. Tell me how Jason’s “favored” didn’t warrant the same. But in reality, a solid 56% believe they are indeed the “chosen”. It goes up to 79% amongst the political right. Of course this article is from 2018 so I’m sure that number is steady or on the upswing given the rhetoric that has come out of that parasitic rogue state since the Don gifted them, and Biden continued that gifting.
http://www.renegadetribune.com/majority-of-israeli-jews-believe-they-are-the-chosen-people/
1.The term “parasite”,is a classic canard-are you ignorant of this?, or just taking an opportunity to express generalized bile 2,Out of curiosity, I followed your quote to its source -quite a tone to this source.
1. The word “parasite” is found in the dictionary and is a perfect description of Israel.
2. Do you want another?
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-79-percent-of-right-wingers-believe-jews-are-the-chosen-people-are-you-for-real-1.6471893
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-79-percent-of-right-wingers-believe-jews-are-the-chosen-people-are-you-for-real-1.6471893
https://www.winterwatch.net/2018/09/new-poll-majority-of-israeli-jews-believe-they-are-chosen-people/
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180912-new-poll-majority-of-israeli-jews-believe-they-are-chosen-people/
https://www.mintpressnews.com/new-poll-majority-israeli-jews-believe-chosen-people/249215/
https://www.mintpressnews.com/new-poll-majority-israeli-jews-believe-chosen-people/249215/
I am opposed to all foreign aid,with the possible exception of short term disaster assistance.We all know how funds to Hait worked out. It harping on this subject. on this subject.,especially by people who don’t pay taxes, that I find ridiculous.
Meanwhile,you have yet to produce a reasonable site to support the articles contentions-no one has. The sites you quote show where you are coming from.
I pay taxes. When I do my tax return, I get them back. But why should that be a factor in me bitching about a foreign country taking taxpayer money from the country I live in? $3.8 billion would fill a lot of potholes where I live.
Meanwhile, one of the sites I produced was The Haaretz. How many do you need to say the same thing? 56% think they are the “chosen”. 79% of the right wingers. Same numbers on every site including The Haaretz.
Just to show that I’m not biased. Americans think they’re exceptional.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/30/most-americans-say-the-u-s-is-among-the-greatest-countries-in-the-world/
American Exceptionalism is really National Narcissism. We have a nation full of narcissists.
But we’re too exceptional to call ourselves that.
In Mackinderan terms, the USA is exceptional.
The North American Great Plains, which the U.S. dominates, is the world’s second Heartland, literally a natural geographical seat of world-spanning empire.
The central Eurasian plains of the World Heartland, is far larger but at the same time burdened by its size.
The North American Heartland, is just right; still massive, but far more efficient.
(Geographically speaking, not politically speaking…)
Change that to “entitled” people. From fanciful historic claims on land, to the present overconfidence in own strength — the theme repeats itself,
Threatening Iranian people with death and destructtion is the hallmark of entitlement. Iran, unlike Israel has
no right to defend itself? Really?
What is the point of negotiations? It clearly has nothing to do with nuclear bomb, as the negotiations are constantly pivoting to missile program. What is this all about?
It looks like the objective is really to either exert a change in iran ruling class to accede to US conditions. What are those conditions? We do not know.
Since Iran is welll past the point of such change — the objective is to keep Iran off balance and delay any Asian investments into Iran’s transportation infrastructure.
Is US achieving its goals? No. Once SCO made a decision to upgrade Iranian membership to permanent— it was a clear signal that investments are not going to be delayed because of negotiations going nowhere.
What remains? Entitled ones feel cheated, their sponsor not delivering. The fury is pulpable.
Why is Iran so important? With Iran’s geography being freed up from inperial threats, Levant-Iraq- Iran-Asia connectivity would leave Israel irrelevant. Are Palestinians big enough card to play? Not any more. Egypt just moved into Gaza , doing reconstruction, and Israel was not fighting it. It is a risky proposition for Israel. On one hand, get a guarntee of security -/ but over time loose any control over Gaza. And without US demonstrating power in the neighborhood – ling term prospects are not good.
Naive,naive-Iran started this mess. The most “entitled” people are the liberals/progressives, who think that only they have the answers.
The US/UK coup started this mess. Since then, it’s been Israel, by far, that has been more belligerent and has done more attacks between the two countries. Especially since the JCPOA was signed.
My favorite sentence for today, “Iran’s nuclear talks are ongoing, which if you’re checking your watch means it is time for Israel to start threatening war again.” Well said, brother.
Really!!! The beat down on the hand of hizbullah didn’t puncture that aura of invincibility!!!!
Next time, fuel air explosives will quiet terrorists.
If that’s the case why do economic strangulation and not just go and take them out. This time they even have a direct path for replenishment and Israel can’t bomb all the shipments.
Hizbullah will mess up the state of Israel in it’s own theater and Israel knows it
because war isn’t a joke
Uh seriousness of war becomes an issue when opponent can fight back.
Israelis are atom bomb terrorists who cavort with awful dictators. Like the US, they are known by the company they keep.
The government of Israel knows that its nation will become an instant pariah if it uses a nuclear weapon on Iran. The “unlimited capabilities” are all traditional hence known. Israel does not have “V-weapons”.
The Israelis are threatening to unleash weapons of mass destruction upon cities full of life. That is terrorism.
“A Crime Against Humanity” and they’ve got the balls to do it… peace-Donna
You are assuming that the primary targets are not military.
Logically the targets would be military, but the fallout isn’t staying put. Nor are ballistic missiles all that accurate. Its not like live tests can be run.
The worlds’ major nuclear arsenals have segments that are essentially automated, on dead man’s hand switches. If the A-OK signals aren’t routinely given by live minders, they launch assuming a first strike took out command and control.
During the Cold War, there were near-launches based on mistaken data, but since there were no major superpower conflicts ongoing, error was made on the side of peace.
If there’s an actual nuclear war ongoing, even a limited one, no-one is inclined to err on the side of peace.
Only if they use them.
Realistically, all the nuclear armed powers would be guilty of ‘terrorism’ by the very act of owning nuclear weapons for any reason.
That they are nuclear armed is implicit in any conflict negotiation with them.
Yes, you are correct. Nations that target cities with nuclear weapons are terrorist nations, without doubt.
The US has long been a terrorist genocidal nation, I’m not sure if attempting to defend against the US by also having nuclear weapons is also terrorism. China, for example, is attempting to convince the US and Russia to cut back on nuclear weapons of mass destruction.
The indiscriminate and far-reaching mass destructive nature of nuclear weapons make them weapons of terrorism by default. Its just that post Cold War I people don’t think in those terms of outrage and fear.
Yes, it makes crude military sense for nations under nuclear threat – not conventional, but nuclear – to have nukes as a deterrent.
A large, high-value target such as China, which could only be defeated by nuclear war, needs to ka-bosh any opponent’s notion of winning a first strike.
To be vulnerable to nuclear attack and worth nuclear attack, is to invite nuclear attack, guaranteed.
Yet even the fallout from limited use of nukes in what is called retaliation – really dead-man’s revenge – can poison and murder people with no connection to the conflict at all, across the world, for generations. Assuming there are any.
In one generation people have not only forgotten the fear nuclear deterrence should inspire, but the kind of ‘diplomacy’ that ultimately represents.
Primarily because the US and NATO, and now apparently Israel, freely and routinely threaten with nukes without a second thought. The fear and sense of reality seems just gone.
Sense of reality is gone. I think it may relate to fake news. Things look bad unless people can find a way to relate www without cookies.
Being a pariah is bad,but being driven out or exterminated is worse.
Exactly why the Irish diaspora as well as those still in Ireland know something about the situation. Primary targets are propaganda by the bureaucratic killing machines, accidental destruction of civilians is a sub category war mongers obfuscate.
Yes, the Palestinians would agree with you.
I don’t think they care. What will the world do? Nothing. The world has done nothing to us for what we have done. Nothing.
I do wonder what type of missiles Israel has. They certainly have missiles, just don’t know the type which is ironic because people go crazy over the few that Iran has which only have conventional warheads.
Here you go: https://www.iiss.org/blogs/analysis/2021/08/israel-ballistic-missile-programme
My concern is this thing getting out of hand and turning into a full-on war, potentially nuclear. Cannot stress that enough… Israel has a very loud mouth but they also have frisky fingers… I do not put anything past them… “Invincible” is a very large word but I am not sure anyone is invincible in a nuclear war… God is very busy these days, I’m not sure Israel can count on their back-up position of being “chosen”…
Donna: you worry too much…! Try to be hopeful specially at the beginning of the new year…! Israeli nukes are antique…They first need to upgrade them before using them…! With conventional weapons, Israel is not a match…!
A touch of optimism and I thank you.
You’re Welcome…!
Okay, okay… Let me just say it. The bloody arrogance of Israel is stunning. It’s all a game to them. Peoples lives, peoples homes and countries means nothing to them. Maybe they are the chosen people, they certainly have the attitude for it…
Chosen to be what? The worst example?
Donna,
Chosen to be an example on how NOT to behave, I’d say.
Yes…
Israel’s army has been shooting women and children in Palestine for so long I doubt they have the capacity to defeat a real army.
“Whom the gods would destroy, they first make drunk with power.”
Still waiting, darn it….
“The mills of God’s justice grind exceedingly slow, but they grind exceedingly fine.”
What manner of “god” would favor murderers and warmongers?
Not my ( Goddess).
Put your money where your fat slobbering mouth is, Israhell. You’re all blather. Go ahead: attack Iran, and watch Tel Aviv get blown off the map. You’re fucking with an actual armed nation now, not children throwing stones.
World can’t imagine the price of oil when Hormuz is closed.
There’s a substantial Jewish community in Iran that would be harmed by an Israeli attack.
Therefore Israel isn’t likely to formally go to war with Iran.
They seem to be pressuring the U.S. to attack Iran for them, but the above reason still applies; there’s a substantial Jewish community in Iran that would be harmed by a hot war.
Israel may be expecting to be offered a bribe by the US and/or EU not to attack Iran.
Similarly, the US and/or EU may be expected to offer Israel a bribe to not have to attack Iran for Israel.
Israel may also be looking for Iran sanctions that diminish the independence, competitiveness and influence of the expat Iranian Shia community in the West.
“There’s a substantial Jewish community in Iran that would be harmed by an Israeli attack.”
Not sure that would stop them. I’m sure they’d cheer on a US attack so I don’t think their concern for that Jewish community would matter to their rabid right-wing government.
Iranian Jews have one trump card; Israel was founded on the pretext of protecting Jews. Of course, Israel only really represented Western European imperial interests.
That Israelist leaders, public and in the shadows, are more than a little insincere is obvious, but still a critical component of the legitimacy machine not only of Israel but those leadership personalities.
The lack of any significant anti-Iran activity from the Iranian diaspora may inflame Western Israelists, but the Iranian diaspora has been Iranian so long they aren’t outsiders there.
Western antagonism led to the destruction of ages-old Christian and Jewish communities throughout the Middle East; Iranian Jews can’t help but notice there’s a fratricide problem. They wouldn’t remain silent if the Israelist threat were too real.
It’s might be construed as unfortunate that for all the influence Russia and China have with Iran, neither Israel nor the US will ever see an intentional sale of oil exported from Iran.
When you’re the world’s largest exporter of oil products (US), why bother with a war to ensure its transport to North America?
More like because of; Iran is part of the hated Eurasian axis.
Even if Iran somehow returned to Western orbit, they would have to be kept down not unlike the Ukraine.
Iran by virtue of geography alone has to much power potential for the comfort of Western European hegemony.
Heh, if Israel is so powerful, let’s see them take out Hezbollah in Lebanon. The last time they tried, in 2006, they killed over a thousand Lebanese civilians – then had their asses handed to them by Hezbollah – which was far weaker then than it is now.
Until Israel can get the US to help it remove Hezbollah as an effective threat (if that is even possible), the war with Iran is off the table.
LOONYVILLE
Israel clearly recognizes, that it must stop the existential threat of peace.
Someone remind me what the Hebrew word for ‘Hubris’ is- the folks in Tel Aviv need to be reminded what comes of having too much of it.
Muted complicity guess who?