With President Trump’s May 12 deadline for withdrawing from the P5+1 nuclear deal looming, the Israeli government is pushing hard. According to analysts, this is less about the deal itself than about what killing the deal would lead to.
Israel believes that if the nuclear deal is killed, it will be damaging to Iran, and in the long run could lead to a regime change. Israel has been hoping for a regime change in Iran for decades, and seems to see this as their best bet.
It’s not clear how this is supposed to work. A generation of ever-mounting sanctions failed to ever substantially weaken the Iranian government’s hold on power. It’s not clear that the US killing the nuclear deal, at Israel’s behest, would lead to a backlash against Iran.
Quite the contrary, the Russian government is envisioning trying to establish closer ties to Iran if the US kills the deal. It’s likely they aren’t the only ones, as many European nations also have business interests in Iran centered on the sanctions relief.
Israel is constantly making vague allegations that Iran is doing something untoward. In reality, Israel is going to great lengths to track Iranian activities, and hasn’t come up with anything. This is likely to convince most of the world that the collapse of the nuclear deal has nothing to do with Iran, and everything to do with Israel’s regional ambitions.
Hm, let’s see… regime change in Iran… from a moderate President who is doing his damndest to keep his nation out of war… to hard-line Shi’a whose favorite campaign slogan is ‘Death to Israel’? Hm, seems a bit counter-productive unless… just maybe… Israel is trying to draw the US into war with Iran and do its dirty work for them? BRILLIANT! Who is going to volunteer their son or daughter to be the first to be killed invading yet another nation that hasn’t attacked anyone- oh, anyone except the ISIS terrorists WE’RE supposed to be fighting instead of supporting.
“Who is going to volunteer their son or daughter”
Nobody. The sons and daughters volunteer themselves.
Exactly. The question should be rather the willingness if all taxpayers to finance wars of choice. And so far, all politicians are promissing to spend mire of our money on new wars of choice, and support endless expenditures for the endless occupations, bases, baselets all around the globe. And money continues to pour into colored or colourless regime change troublemakers, and their stage managed video productions of “demicracy” in action. We no longer support elections, irvat least not the ines that will not bring to power our coup favorites. And money is going, going, going. All that with our representatives support.
Either the system us so broken, or something is wrong with us.
We are a mess.
Israel is predictable, the real wild card here is Macron. After Libya, the French simply cannot be trusted. Perhaps he thinks they can extract a more one sided deal for the likes of Peugeot, et. al.
The French can’t be trusted. The UK can’t be trusted. The EU can’t be trusted. And controlling them all, the US, which can’t be trusted.
Israel wants a regional ME war. During the ensuing chaos it will make both ground moves and demographic moves. Grab more territory, claim eternal ownership of the Golan heights and then expel Palestinians
But as always in history, zealots cause a lots of grief and tragedy in their eternal quest for more, and more power, illusory advancement and greatness. Trotsky zealotism left the lasting mark in what was meant to be the definition of communism. Gone was the idea of self-sustaining and supporting communities, ushered the idea of social engineering on a vast scale. And it took extraordinary effort to uproot the ideological zealotism and return to grim reality of having to face Nazi war machine.
I feel that the ideology of social engineering at home, and global imperial destruction have reached their nadir. Hubris has nurtured its Nemesis. It takes a long time for any resistance to oppression to formulate its own thoughts, and develop its vocabulary. The vague thoughts have become more articulated. This is why are globalists so obsessed with Russia and its “disinformation”. They fear that any different narrative, any different take on the reality they have so carefully staged for us — will be exposed as a stage set that it is. The problem if global stage managers is not RT, but the connectivity among people that exposes millions to alternative information. This cannot be denied. And this is why Bibi’s presentation was received globaly as just another show, by aging actors — way past their time.
In US, these stale acts have still a receptive public in the establishment. Never has this establishment been so distant from the ordinary world. They still think they are creating reality. Zealots never repent and never give up. They will look you in the eye and lie. But in the end such charades collapse. The question is — just how much grief will they bring before the end. We are kind of sleep walking into the Iran mess.
John Bolton promised “regime change” in Iran by the end of 2018. Coincidence?
Yeah but remember Bolton was just hired to be the bad cop to Trumps good cop. Nothing to worry about according to the Trumpsters.
Need regime change in Israel.
Indeed it could lead to a regime change in Israel. It depends on how much damage Israel suffers from this new conflict, and how the Jewish Israeli public reacts to that. The Arab Israeli public already hates the regime, so it is not starting on a level playing field, and is vulnerable.
The change that is needed is in Israel, with Netanyahu
Thank you, Jason. Zio-Washinton is the new Evil Empire.
For a successful “regime change” such as the one which removed the Shah of Iran the uprising of a majority of the population in support of that change is needed. Otherwise the change is a “coup”.
As far as I know there is no evidence now that the people of Iran are ready for going into the streets en masse. Maybe in the future. Maybe not.
Strange at it may sound, the people of Iran must be praised for overthrowing the Shah’s regime before a successful regime change can happen. It must be made absolutely clear that there will be no return to that regime.
Otherwise economic and social changes are likely to bring “regime change” about just like it did in much of Europe in the late 18th and most of the 19th century: from absolute monarchies to republics and constitutional monarchies.
Regime change in Israel, perhaps? Israeli citizens have a reason to be concerned about the loss of public support for Israel in US and other countries. Endless shenanigans of Israeli leadership have become at first boring, then annoying, and finally anger provoking. Israel cannot hop to nudge Americans into ANOTHER war. Are they hoping that it will take Syria off front pages, to allow for endless presence there? Kind off like Afghanistan taken of front pages by Iraq, then Lybia shiving aside Iraq endless presence even after our “withdrawal”. With Lybia being a continued hot mess, Syria took iver the headlines. Now, let us open one more front.
The saddest comment on our reality is just how easy it is to find a hot button to make people go stupid. In the case of many Trump supporters ut is enough to say “Obama” to make them agree ti anything. Iran deal is redefined as Obama deal, so all Israel needs is to wag the finger, and US military will jump to action, with the throated support from Obama haters. Hate. Such a great motivator. If you can make people hate, they will be able to do anything.
We should learn to avoid oppinions of flatterers and listen to our supposed or real enemies. Because God should bless our enemies, for they will confess our sins for us.
“this is less about the deal itself than about what killing the deal would lead to”
So what would it lead to, really? These are the same guys who thought destroying Iraq as “creative destruction” would lead to something good.
What did that lead to, really? Now what would more of that look like?
It is possible for the entire region to erupt even more than it is now. What would that look like?
Saudi royals would run with their money, as would the other Gulf Arabs. That is unstable already, see Bahrain, and the Saudis hanging other royals by the heels in a fancy hotel. The chaos would do to Gulf oil flows and terrorism what the collapse of Libya did, but vastly more so.
Oil would stop flowing even without the chaos. The deep water route down the Gulf runs within sight of a long stretch of Iranian mountains. Tankers would not sail, not from Iraq, nor Saudi, nor Kuwait, nor Bahrain or Qatar. That would be true for however long the war lasts. How long has it been already? That would play a part in bringing on the political chaos. What are Gulf royals without oil?
Then of course there is Iran. No nation has gotten “moderate” by such political chaos. The 80 million people of Iran equal Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya combined. They have wealth, and unlike those others they already have industry and the wide education that it required. So Iran alone would double current troubles, even before the rest of the region blew up.
So what would it lead to? Certainly Israel would at first remain standing as the only nation not in chaos. How would that really work out for little Israel? They are not really a villa in a jungle now, but that would be some jungle. Think ISIS and al Qaeda rivaling each other in the West Bank, just for starters.
If it got that bad, how deep would be the US commitment to fixing it all? How much would the great American middle class really sacrifice to pull all that out of the fire. It would no longer be an invisible war fought by less than 1% of our people, paid for on a Chinese credit card.
Israel needs regime change NOW. And Israel, along with its lackeys in Washington, need to stop meddling in the political affairs of sovereign states. Zio-supremacism is a cancer on the world.