With some Obama Administration officials openly advocating starting a war with Russia over Syria, it is noteworthy that a lot of top Pentagon officials are treating the conflict as all but inevitable. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley hyped Russian modernization efforts, but declared that they “will lose to the American Army.”
Russian officials have been cognizant of the possibility, insisting that Russia “can now fight a conventional war in Europe,” comments which Gen. Milley dismissed as “bluster, hubris, bravado.” and insisting that war with other nation-states “is almost guaranteed.”
Joint Chiefs chairman Gen. Joe Dunford also complained about recent modernization efforts within the Russian military, claiming that they are threatening American interests with their capabilities, while Deputy Defense Secretary Bob Work referred to them as America’s “competitor.”
Of course, the United States spends many, many times what Russia does on its military, but the fact that Russia has a proper military capable of defending the nation at all puts it in a total different category from most of America’s recent wars, and Russia’s massive nuclear arsenal makes it clear this is one war which, if the US launches it, they won’t be able to win outright.
Oh the satire!! The US does not win war’s..period. Russia would send the Yanks packing because they are smart, pragmatic, and have the means to kick Uncle Sam to the curb!
Yaa Dxates… You sure have a great way with words and also the exceptionalist vermin nodding to our rapacious and feckless foreign foundering.. I’ ve gotten quite a few chuckles and outright fits of laughter at some of your replies.. You have cheered me up a good bit after the gloomy outcum of.the Kerry Lavrov scherrade…. You sure don’t suffer fools kindly… Keep up your very up work.. I just hope you don’t kill us all with laughter……
Better to die from laughter than from Milley’s imbecilic hubris…
What do you find so humorous about reality??…I find the American sheeple to be quite pathetic especially since they are too easily manipulated by the American presstitute media and the laughable kangaroo military/ US government.
What I find so humorous is the way YOUR words knock the wind out of these windbags….. and leave them speechless..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I’m laughing at is how deftly you make fools of so many of the ignorant commenters here… You make them look so stupid they don’ t even reply fearing you will use their stupid reply to make them look even stupidier!
We couldn’t win in Vietnam, Korea or wipe out some muzzles with no air force in Syria but the lunatics in the pentagon think we can beat Russia. …..there are no apt words to describe how asinine this belief is.
These Generals and assorted associates seem to have played a few to many video games or some other games, exercises where they WIN. Most likely, apart from their Washington appearances, these Generals must live in quite rural places not likely to be prime targets of multi-megaton answers to attempts of some cobbled coalition of wacky wannabees to win And win what….. ????? The bragging rights of toughness in some now post apocalypse uninhabitable wasteland.
WE GOT TO SEE HOW WELL THESE TOUGH GUYS DID AGAINST ÀRABS WITH BOXCUTTERS…. Never mind that…??? But now these herros in their own minds want us to trust our lives to them in some created or judged by them, show down with many-megatoned thermonuclear MIRVED ICBM armed Russia.. And to also hope that Obama’s new Boogey man de-jour (China) doesn’t look to get a few hellos in… too.
“WE GOT TO SEE HOW WELL THESE TOUGH GUYS DID AGAINST ÀRABS WITH BOXCUTTERS”
If you want any credibility on here, please don’t rehash the official lie about 911! And assuming that the official version WAS true- are you going to judge the US military on the basis of an isolated hijacking event?
Yeah Hank you’re right… but that then puts me in a bind of flailing at phantoms… How about these military geniuses tell us what really happened that day and if not, let them live with the incompentence albatross which they rightly deserve in any scenario..
As in it’s got to be the official story of epic military dithering and trillions wasted buying them toys, quarter million a year retirements and pimping for more & more wars.
What are these people thinking? After all these years in Afghanistan they tell us now that ISIS has opened shop there, and has joined the Caliphate. So, is there a way to, let’s say, wrap up Afghan war, leave a region in peace and stability, so we can go home? If we cannot wrap up ONE war, just keep on opening new fronts — what does it say?
Or better, let’s figure out how to recover Mosul, restore peace and stability in Iraq, and go home? Or in Libya, where now on the last count there are three governments, and two parliaments, Councils, etc. etc. Just the payroll for those governments must spend all the money they earn selling oil. Any chance of wrapping that one soon?
These are some eggheads. But they will be pleased, Hillary Clinton adores such people.
You can almost hear the delight in their voices as they talk up the capabilities of the Russians. Why? Because it is delightful from one perspective: toys! Lots of them.
The days of having to convince skeptical politicians that 5000 tanks aren’t enough, that 11 supercarriers is not to many, that spending a trillion dollars on an airplane is essential- are over! Hurrah! The Russians are back, and the money will flow, now! More toys!
That’s what it’s about.
Exactly
Can’t even beat the Taliban. Thinks can win a war with Russia.
Can’t even beat the Taliban. Thinks can win a war with Russia.
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Yes, my point exactly. Been saying that for years. If it is indeed true (which I doubt….unless something else is really going on here…) that we cannot decisively defeat The Taliban in fifteen years, they we would not stand a chance of defeating Russia, or China, or Iran, …..or freakin’ anybody!!! You simply cannot have it both ways.
On the other hand, if what we are really up to in Afghanistan is a con-game, sherade and illision with an entirely different agenda that what has been presented (the likely sceanario), than that would explain why we cannot defear the Taliban in 15 years but we can surly take on Russia.
The third possiblity (more likely) is that our politicians and military leadership are bat-shit crazy.
Yeah. It is about building a natural gas pipeline so as to fund future wars against Iran until the middle east is occupied by only 2 nations and their vassal states.
It’s a war for the Rothschild kazarian mafia
Third one is spot on
Thanks friend. Let them explain why we should EVEN CONSIDER trusting them on anything at all. Certainly not epic war with thermonuclear armed ICBM equiped RUSSIA that could kill ALL OF US…
YAA, pretty rich…. Trust Them….
Behind these political windbags with a clothing allowance are real military professionals. These professionals understand that the same obstacles that defeated Germany in WW2 are still in play, to which are added nuclear and biological risks. There is no feasible way to defeat Russia militarily. History did not “end” because some self-important American said so.
Does this general really think that the Europeans would be happy to see a war fought on their territory and I’m not talking about the bought and paid for elites but the ordinary public who’ll die in large numbers in any war with Russia. There will be protests on a scale never seem before in Europe.
“There will be protests on a scale never seem before in Europe.”
Yeah, but the American people will never see or hear of it from the willingly-captive American media.
And, don’t forget; American people also get their info from the Alternative Media. At least half the US public will also be staging the same type protests as the European public; so, please, don’t lump all American people into the same basket as the minority of stupid, brainwashed, brain-dead zombies.
Remember January, 2003, when hundreds of thousands of citizens staged the biggest protest since the Vietnam War era? That protest was in DC alone. I’m certain that similar size protests were staged in other large cities, such as San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc.
This is one US Army Chief who, also, has been brainwashed .. in this case, by his Pentagon bosses who’ve lost their logic and sanity years ago.
“At least half the US public will also be staging the same type protests as the European public”
I wish that was true, but so far as I can tell the US public is even more demoralized today than it was in 2002-2003, and nowhere near half of them came out to oppose the Iraq invasion.
I’m convinced that in order for Americans to care, they have to live and breathe it.
The formerly reserved for the third world resource extraction operations and their dominance are now here (see fracking and water resources, BP, etc).
The continued militarization of police forces and continued police related killings and abuses causing mass protests.
Constant drumbeat of government sponsored terror with predictable calls for government overreaction afterwards.
The heat can only go up so high before the frog either jumps out, or more predictably boils to death.
Nobody in America is truly ready for a violent solution to this mess. It would make Syria look like a schoolyard brawl. Getting enough protesting people out in the streets to make a difference would devolve into a slaughter. They’re not going to just shrug their shoulders, pack up and go away. Power has to be taken away.
Yes, and? WHERE did that get us??? Nowhere. These unbeholden b*sta*rds don’t give a F….
“At least half the US public…”
The current population of the US is roughly 319,000,000. Surely you don’t intend to insist that 160,000,000 US citizens would be protesting…out in the streets…instead of being inside parked in front of the boob-tube watching,,,whatever they are addicted to at the current time. If I remember correctly, the protests that occurred in 2003 drew 2-3 hundred thousand each which would be less than 1% of the US population. As Thomas says, I wish that were true but we’re a long slog out of malaise before that happens.
Nope and most don’t care as long as they get their “bread and circuses” pumped into their living room via TV (Talmud vision)
Our military leaders are bat-shit insane!
Putin looking forward to take up with USA to recovery the prestige lost While Soviet Union terminated.
I can see this how come Americans can’t see it. Perhaps, people like Trump, Hillary and George W.Bush intellectually
light waight people chosen to be candidate for presidency is the reason. For Trump; he could guaranteed presidency if he just behave liest pretend to be Presidential,because nobody likes Hillary Clinton / obviously she hasn’t got what it takes to be President,
So my question to Trump ; how come you can’t see that?
He might say that ; I am idiot that’s why.
Potentially,Hillary take on Putin ?
Good God help us all
No doubt. …loons to the nth degree. ….win a war with Russia? WTF? Yea that would work out well, living in a radioactive world with a nuclear winter. ..General Milley is a psychopath
These idiots ought to be obliged to read the memoirs of General Guderian and pass a subsequent test on its content and conclusions. Test failure = cashiered.
I couldn’t agree with you more, Dieter. The Pentagon idiots should be obliged to read the memoirs of Gen. Hans Guderian and pass a subsequent test on its content and conclusions. Test failure, as you said, = cashiered.
Furthermore, not only the Pentagon idiots should read Guderian’s memoirs, the POTUS, VP, and leaders of both Houses of Congress should read and study the book as well. In addition to Guderian’s memoirs, all of them should read and study a book that was written centuries ago .. by an ancient Chinese warrior/philosopher, Sun Tzu. The name of the book is “The Art of War”. Study and adhere to its tenets = victory; failure to do so = defeat.
Nuh uh. THE book they need to read is: ‘War is a Racket’, by Gen. Smedley Butler…THAT is the tome they should be tested on…
Yes. Remember, in September 1942 the 6th Panzer army was provably the most powerful military formation on earth. In January 1943 it was nothing. Of the ~200,000 captured, fewer than 10,000 returned up to 10 years later. There will be no slapping the yellow ribbon on the SUV and going to the mall to do some shopping.
I think that you are mixing up various parts of the Wehrmacht. Guderian never commanded the 6th Panzer army. His 2nd Panzer army became known as 2nd Panzer Group during the attack on Moscow but is commonly referred to as 2nd Panzer army. Moreover his Panzer Group had never a strength of 200,00. I presume that you meant 6th army commanded by General von Paulus who surrendered at Stalingrad.
“comments which Gen. Milley dismissed as “bluster, hubris, bravado.”
Sorry General, Russia doesn’t do “bluster, hubris, bravado,” that’s your department.
Yes, we may win but would be left of the US?
In WAR there is never a winner… just loosers! Oh, i forgot… the winners are allways the weapons industry… got no soul? got no heart? got no remorse? Invest NOW!!!
when is the last time these great leaders have won a war. let me know when you come up with the answer.
Don’t you see that it’s a bluff? General Milley is a bad actor and needs some drama coaching I should think. If he were to launch such a war the most significant projection would be over within less then 15 minutes and after which there could only be a long drawn out episode involved in picking up the pieces – that is if anybody were still able to survive enough to do so. It is hard to think that anyone could be that crazy.
European generals usually hold US generals in low esteem. I sincerely hope that US generals have not underestimated the latest Russian high tech. For example, what does NATO have which equal or better than the Russian S-300, S-350, S-400, S-500 missile systems, to name just a few ?