It didn’t take long for the final presidential debate in the US to be shifted to the Clinton campaign’s favorite topic: accusing the Trump campaign of being involved in a Russian plot to hack the US election to his benefit. Indeed, it didn’t even wait until the brief foreign policy segment.
During questions about immigration, the moderator asked a question of Hillary Clinton regarding her comments at a closed-door speech to a Brazilian bank about open borders. Clinton quickly and dramatically changed focus, noting that the quote came from WikiLeaks and declaring “what’s really important about WikiLeaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans.”
She went on to declare that it was “clearly” Russian President Vladimir Putin behind the WikiLeaks releases, and insisted that the entire intelligence community had confirmed Putin was doing so “to influence our election.” She then demanded Republican nominee Donald Trump “admit” to it.
When Trump noted that Clinton has “no idea” who was behind the hacks, and that he’d never even met Putin, Clinton declared that Putin wanted Trump elected to be his puppet as US president. Trump insisted it was Clinton, by contrast, who was the puppet.
Trump went on to say he’d condemn any foreign interference in the US election, no matter who it was, but did say that he thought if the US and Russia got along it “wouldn’t be so bad.” Clinton accused him of spouting “the Putin line.”
The Clinton campaign has been accusing Russia of trying to hack the election since their summer convention, blaming them for materially every leak that proved embarrassing to her campaign. Since then, the allegations have gone hand-in-hand with claims that Trump is in on the matter. Russia denies any involvement in the hacking, and has noted there is no public evidence to support the claims.
Beyond continuing to advance these allegations, the debate touched on foreign policy in a limited fashion, with Clinton reiterating promises to impose a no fly zone in Syria to “gain some leverage on the Russians.” When asked about the possibility of that starting a war with Russia, she shifted focus again to her confidence the no-fly zone would “save lives.”
The “debate”…long story short; we’re f#@king d00med
Share the feeling.
No matter how many times Lady Mc Death and her puppeteers scream it’s Putin, it’s Putin, it’s Putin, the contents of the e mails remain the same.
She is bad news. Just when one thinks it cannot be worse, the e-mail revealing her ideal world of no borders is — horrifying.
But Trump really did not get her as he could have. She is a puppet of bankers. Her fascination of no borders — is perverse. She is not at all being concerned about the livelihood of Americans, more about her bankers’ friends profits. As for the ordinary folk — deal with the influx of illegals, deal with the drugs, disease issues, human trafficking, slavery. Just deal with it, and keep quiet.
I was shocked to no end that the name AL-QAEDA is not mentioned, even though it is at the very heart of the East Aleppo issue. Perhaps, this is a real conspiracy — I never thought I would say that — to avoid putting in spotlight the worst foreign policy disaster, the resurgence of Al-Qaeda in a major way, by holding hostage the people of Aleppo. It is beyond common sense that nobody asked a question — why is population not leaving? By not mentioning the name Al-Qaeda, they are letting the imagination of people conclude that the entire population is on the side of rebels — and that Russians are killing them just to get to the good rebels. Now — it this is not a conspiracy, I do not know the meaning of the word. All one has to do is look at all the previous cease fire agreements that always had a clause of excepting Al-Qaeda. All one has to do is look at the repeated offer of UN Rep for Syria to personally guarantee safety of exit for Al-Qaeda “in dignity, and with their arms”. The offer US did not approve.
Now, there is a plan between Putin and Erdogan to take Al-Nusra out, but details are sketchy. It has been published in Turkish official paper — today.
So, Hillary is so sure that after Mosul, she is heading to Raka. Hmm. Triumph in Mosul, and then a hop skip and a jump — to Raka. And Aleppo is just around corner. As if Turkey does not know that — this is why it is in Mosul. This is why after much theatrical screaming between Baghdad I Ankara — as US did not want to see Turkey nowhere near Mosul. But having found itself in a shouting match — Baghdad suddenly turned the table, and told “indignantly” to US — to decide whatever role it wants to give to Turkey. Oooops. It will be virtually impossible to refuse to a NATO ally a role in bombing coalition — now that Baghdad so generously passed this hot potato to US. Trump is right — idiots. A set up by Turkey and Iraq. Because now it is US fault that Turkey will have a chair at the table when the post-ISIS security is decided. But it is for the best. Turkey is already play acting the new role, the protector of Sunnis in area where Kurds are strong, and where at times, Shia dominated Baghdad was heavy handed. So, now in its full on Ottoman protector gear — it is spreading charm that should translate into confidence that no Western troops should stay in post-Mosul world. The same act is being put on now in Syria. Erdogan is still “skeptical” about Assad — and is spreading its charm among the Sunni fighters that are wiped out and cornered either in Aleppo, Idlib or in small pockets next to Kurdish area. They need to decide for themselves. Either to give themselves up to Russia/Syria, or to UN Representative with unsure future, or to negotiate with Turkey for a better deal — or to take a chance, and wait for US to liberate Mosul, take Raqqa, and then demand to turn themselves to American forces. This is why name Al-Qaeda is not used, to make it possible to rescue them heroically later.
But this is like anything else in Hillary or Obama land. From the Nobel, onwards. Just delusions of grandeur, having bad instincts — expecting that the reality will behave itself, and let us shape it. My bet is that Al-Nusra best deal is to deal with Turkey, as Turkey will stay in Syria in post-terrorist era, to manage the region on its border. What means, no Kurdish state, and relocation of refugees. Like in any other war, refugees will be the place for the fighters as well. In the meantime, Turkey is slowly approaching Al-Bab and it looks like Kurds are going to put up a fight — as Al-Bab is the last link left to connect their too regions. Funny things are prophecies. ISIS believed in an ancient prophecy of battle between East and West ad Dibiq. But the prophecy really was not about Dibiq, but about the fact that Dibiq is the last stand to The Door, or Al-Bab. Opening the door is what prophecy is all about, as this is the crossroads to all parts of then known world. So, if Hillary ever plans to go to Aleppo, she would have to have Kurds hold the advance of Turkey. If Turkey advances, it can go to Raqqa, there is really nothing that will stop it. That would stop the advancement of Kurdish state, and the elimination of ISIS. And just like in Mosul, Turkey will have to remain the saint protector of Sunnis in post-ISIS era, and in that manner keep Syria in one piece. Foreign invasion would not be necessary. We will see soon how it will play out — but there is apparently a great deal of coordination all around.
“No borders” may very well be her only sane position.
Borders are street gang turf lines. The fact that you favor particular violent criminal gangs (“governments”) doesn’t make them anything other than the violent criminal gangs they all are.
Russian plot to hack the US election to his benefit…
For someone who ‘claims’ she is computer ‘illiterate’ when it
involves her e-mail servers, she knows enough about how the
Russians hacked the DNC, and plans to hijack the election.
When asked about her ‘open borders’ comment to bankers, this
despicable woman quickly focused the attention on Mr. Putin,
her Russian (boogeyman). Subterfuge to cover her ass.
A no fly zone in Syria to save lives? Yeah, just like in Libya except it’s likely to lead to war with Russia. Why do Hillary and the ziocons want to take on Russia? Total insanity.
The “seventeen national security agencies” that Clinton claims concluded that Russia is hacking the US to influence the elections have offered no proof of that claim. Are these the same experts who concluded Iraq had WMD’s in 2003 when Clinton voted to support Bush’s war? She is definitely preparing the country for confrontation with Russia.
The truth is that if Hillary blames someone else for her problems, eventually the accusations will stick. Rather than admit to her deplorable history, she constantly blames a right wing conspiracy. Rather than admit to the crimes of the DNC, she is blaming Russia. For this incompetent lackey of corporate America, laws are for other people.
The bubbleheaded bobblehead looked like she was drugged up again,had a demonic smile and got her ass kicked,again,but the MSM(every outlet right at the end had the same blurb.No there’s no collusion.) runs with his assault on the democratic process.Holy shite,the monsters have already fixed Sanders wagon,and are trying the same with Trump.
Hubris indeed,and the most corrupt humans in history.
Trump for POTUS.
No,he’s not perfect,but he is an American for America while she is zions bitch.Imagine the payoff to the zionists if she steals this election with their help?
If Hillary steals the nomination from Bernie Sanders, well that’s just hard ball politics.
But if her corruption should be exposed it has to be a vast rightwing conspiracy
Or the evil doings of Boris and Natasha, the cartoon Russian characters.
Spot on.
Bernie Sanders?
Down the memory hole
Bernie Sanders is long gone, get with it!
Turns out the Freedom of Information Act just covers up a memory hole. The government would keep us in the dark if it weren’t for outlets like WikiLeaks.
Jun 29, 2016 Neoconservatives Endorse Hillary Clinton for President Because They Know She’s One of Them
Neoconservatives like Iraq warmonger Robert Kagan aren’t endorsing Hillary Clinton for president merely because they want rid of Donald Trump, but because she’s one of them, writes Trevor Timm at The Guardian.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/neoconservatives_endorse_hillary_clinton_for_president_because_they_know_sh/
It needs to be kept in mind that there is no evidence in the public about Russia’s possible hacking of American site relative to the election does not mean it did not happen. Given the fact the hacking is possible espionage and/or illegal why would it be in the public. Given the fact that Trump is an out and out public liar the American public should remain skeptical of Putin and Trump and be on guard as well as recognize that maybe our government is playing game with Russia. that could be beneficial to the U.S.
Is it POSSIBLE that Russian state actors are involved in cyber attacks on US institutions relative to the election?
Well, I GUESS so, although the idea of direct intervention to prang voting seems fairly marginal (by understanding is that few if any US voting systems are Internet-connected).
But it’s not MY job to believe in everything that’s POSSIBLE. If the Clinton campaign or its proxies in the US government want me to believe the Russians are trying to hack the election, it’s THEIR job to PROVE it. And that’s a heavy and difficult burden since Clinton, her campaign, and the US government are, to steal a phrase from you, “out and out public liars” in a really big way.