The US policy of arming “moderate” rebel factions in Syria has a lot of problems, but none bigger than the Nour al-Din al-Zinki, a Free Syrian Army (FSA) linked group that’s been getting US aid for quite some time, and also grabbing headlines for a series of incidents.
In early July, an Amnesty International report named them as one of several US-backed group involved in torture and summary executions. Just two weeks later, the group’s social media accounts showed fighters beheading a young Palestinian boy described as “an Assad soldier.” Now, Russia is suggesting this same group was responsible for a chemical weapons attack this week in Aleppo.
That’s a lot of bad publicity for a matter of a few weeks, and is starting to come up in State Department briefings, though spokesman Mark Toner downplayed the incidents, or the possibility that the US would stop arming Nour al-Din al-Zinki just because they beheaded a child and used chemical weapons.
“First of all, there’s a lot of betting of the Syrian moderate opposition that has already taken place, and it’s not just by the US,” Toner insisted, adding that “one incident here and there would not necessarily make you a terrorist group.”
Toner said that didn’t mean the US condoned the beheading or the chemical attack, but that the US focus was on backing “the moderate opposition,” and differentiating Nour al-Din al-Zinki from other groups like ISIS and al-Qaaeda’s Nusra Front, because those groups have aspirations to attack not just in Syria, but also against the West.
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The “boy” that was beheaded wasn’t actually a Palestinian nor a boy. He was actually a pro-regime fighter. He was actually 19 years old. The reason that he looks so young was because he had a growth disorder.
If executing enemy combatants was “terrorism”, then every other party in the Syrian Civil War would also be “terrorists”. The Kurds, the Shiites, the Alawites are all guilty of executing enemy combatants. They also kill civilians in revenge attacks.
So anyone who condemns murders by bloodthirsty Sunni terrorists must be a “supporter of Assad.” This lame excuse is that “everyone does it” so therefore it is just fine. Oh, and some other “anti regime” terrorist is excused because he was “angry.” Okay, who in Syria isn’t angry?
And why are the corrupt dictators of Egypt and Iraq never referred to as a “regime” like Syria? Who exactly elected these numerous terrorist groups to liberate Syria from its elected government? No one believes any of these welfare rebels are democratic in the least .
Assad is no saint but compared to these welfare rebels, he’s practically a saint.
So Assad is the LOTE? Agreed. Trump is also the LOTE, but I’m not going to vote for him or support him in any way. I’ll be voting for the “greater good.”
Nowhere in your links does it confirm the boys age. If you can condone beheading and eating the heart of anyone, you are disgusting. May you die a long slow painful death
Not even eating the heart of a rapist and a murderer? The pro-Assad soldier whose heart had been eaten was actually a murderer and a rapist. He murdered and raped a woman and her two children.
“He goes on to talk about the man whose flesh he held in his hands: ‘This guy had videos on his mobile. It showed him raping a mother and her two daughters. He stripped them while they begged him to stop in the name of God. Finally he slaughtered them with a knife… What would you have done?'”
So he says with no proof and no video. Of course he will make up some bullslt story and ISIS supporters like yourself will parrot that sick individuals propaganda. You are so dim and unable to think for yourself. You buy the USAs propaganda hook line and sinker.
I have a bridge to sell you lol. Abu Saakar was killed by the Russian military. I imagine you are their next target should FSB find you.
Maybe the USA should take rapists and feed their hearts to people LOL… You dummy.
” growth disorder” LOL yeah sure… and a fighter with a growth disorder. Moron.
“First of all, there’s a lot of betting of the Syrian moderate opposition that has already taken place,…”
So, is he referring to internal State Dept. betting pools as to how long before the next terror atrocity?
I would bet the word used was “vetting” not “betting.”
No need to “bet” on whether, but “betting” on when would seem reasonable. I suspect Aucky knew it was a typo, but I think the sarcasm is priceless.
In some ways, you can see how they are this government’s natural allies.
The US government has in the recent past support the direct torture of other human beings. And, even now, the official rules for what’s allowed in an interrogation go well into areas that human rights organizations regard torture. And that’s when we don’t just had him over to some of our nastier allies and get them to get the answers for us. So, their support of torture wouldn’t seem to be a problem.
The US police summarily kill over a thousand Americans a year. Just recently the Dallas police killed someone who had killed other police by deliberately attaching a bomb to a robot and driving it up next to the guy. In other words, what would normally be called a summary execution by many. It was just revealed that the State of Texas has had over 7000 people die while in their custody.
The US supports the death penalty, it along with such worthies as Saudi Arabia and Iran is one of the few nations that still does. Although US ally Turkey sounds like it wants to kill a lot of people now. The only difference is that the US does not kill publicly, and it doesn’t post videos of its execution on the web. In the US the executioners don’t give themselves nicknames. But, I’d bet if you set up a poll of whether people were in favor of going back to public hangings, it would get the support of a substantial portion of Americans.
The US maintains chemical weapons and associated labs, all in the name of defense. Terrorists who otherwise seem close to the US seem to show up with chem weapons. Technically, the teargas and pepperspray that are so liberally sprayed up on American protestors are classified as ‘chemical weapons’.
Sounds like the US and these terrorists are one of those ‘twins seperated at birth’ things on the internet.
Well, the America I’d like to see would be very, very different. But I’m not in charge around here and everyone from Political Scientists to former President Jimmy Carter say that this ain’t a democracy anymore and that people like me no longer have a voice in this government.
If you are under the age of say, 230 for example, you most likely never had a real say in this government.
More precisely, I think 2016-1783=233. I presume you reference the adoption of the Constitution, as rounding error on 1776 would have yielded 240 years. I agree we had a revolution and a counter-revolution.
I was lazy and didn’t bother to be…precise. I was actually thinking about the 2nd election cycle and going forward. I figure the purity, if it was there for the first, surely wore off for the second and the corruption of the American Adventure began then.
This Toner guy sure has to earn his money trying his best to defend this stuff. Too bad the American people have to pay his salary.
Of course the US condones the beheading of a Palestinian child. My government is evil incarnate. Both parties are drunk on profits of war profiteering and robbing the middle class. Stupid idiot Republican/Democratic war machine with two faces pretending to be enemies for dramatic effect. I’m sick of it. Petty fighting among us commoners is encouraged so we are distracted from their real agenda of nuclear war whether we want it or not. Down with both parties and the propaganda mind fucks designed to keep us anxious and paranoid of our own brothers, sisters, friends, lovers, sons, daughters, fathers,mothers, wives, husbands. Because they may disagree with you.
When will it end?
Read Cormac McCarthy’s novel, “The Road.” A gray sky, constant drizzle of rain, no birds, no leaves on the trees, and scattered remnants of humanity. And at the end of the novel, a motionless dead ocean. We are coming to the end of the road.
This is the old “isolated incidents” versus “systematic policy” rhetorical device, used over and over again to shield the designated “good guys”.
You know, the ones we’re arming, sending money to, and giving propaganda cover for.
To bad our government can’t be held to the same standards as they hold us to. We even communicate with the wrong person and we are terrorist. The USA government is a TOTAL TERRORIST ENTITY! IF we paid $400 million on a case decided by the Hague in the 80’s then I say it is time for the Hague to put the USA on trial for selling weapons to hostile countries. If this doesn’t happen we know Obama gave us one more lie to his corrupt TRANSPARENCY, blaming it on Reagan instead of taking responsibility for being the biggest TERRORIST in the WORLD! OBAMA should be on TRIAL in the HAGUE! Obama is a coward that is why he has allowed ONLY the FISA courts to hold the military and government UNACCOUNTABLE!
Racist hater. You can’t make Obama out to be the biggest terrorist in the world when you know as well as your rightwing nazi party that Bush slaughtered a million Iraqi people, based on lies. But keep on trying.
First of all I am the last person to be a racist.Obama, Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, and Jimmy Carter should all be UNDER a prison. All of them are responsible for what has been done. None of them EVER held accountable. All of them are/were war criminals. They like to hold us responsible, but we all know what COWARDS our government is made up of.
Obama stated that this was due to an agreement that Reagan made with Iran and done by the Hague. Why has Obama not been using the Hague for trying the military instead of letting them use the USA INVENTED FISA Court that OBAMA happens to be the LATEST that signed the law to extend FISA’S court even longer than it has been in place? Face it they should have ALL been thrown under a prison.
Undo the same old, same old. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote to ALLOW a THIRD party candidate to start getting recognition. Sorry to disappoint you. Bernie Sanders was the lesser of two evils, but I felt was a coward to not except Jill Stein’s offer to step aside and let him run on her party. No he had to keep his government money coming in. He sold the people out, and I lost all respect for him. The rest of them I have named, NOT one of them deserve ANY respect. Respect is earned, not a freebie!
Finding a “rebel” Syrian group which isn’t basically a terrorist outfit wanting to exterminate some subset of Iraq’s diverse population is like finding an honest politician in that other great arsenal of democracy, Iraq.
No such thing, no matter how many lies the State and War Departments spin out with their slick liar spokesmen. They are all bad. Enough said.
Why limit the criticism to Syria and Iraq and omit the first “arsenal of democracy,” the USA?
There is only one US Presidential candidate who is actually “telling it like it is,” Jill Stein. She has correctly described American foreign policy as “a marketing strategy for weapons manufacturers.” Even the Johnson-Weld ticket has condoned our drone warfare, whereas the Stein-GP platform calls for a foreign policy based on international law. There is no way drone strikes where we have not officially declared war can be in compliance with international law.
Can you point me to where the Johnson-Weld ticket has condoned drone warfare? Not that that would surprise me, but I have heard Johnson decry it, so I’d like to know where he said the opposite.
I heard Weld say it in a town hall this week. Looking for a full video. Most of the YouTubes out there are excerpts. I was very surprised and disappointed. Perhaps I heard it wrong. They are clearly against most of the interventionism, so much better than either Clinton or Trump, who isn’t really against the use of military force, as long as it’s used to steal resources rather than for regime change and “nation-building.” Ie, if Trump thinks the US can actually profit from military action, he’s all for it.
I think I found the full video and will try to identify segment and post if I find it.
At 17:10 in this video: https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIB0SKZXdEIAhNP7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTExN2szdmJzBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDQjI0MTYEZ3BvcwMzNg–?p=Johnson+Cnn+YouTube+%22town+Hall%22&vid=bb7e25cfd7358faabce2860f68328f97&turl=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVS.354776801102%26pid%3D15.1%26h%3D168%26w%3D300%26c%3D7%26rs%3D1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg2muPEeV6MA&tit=CNN+Libertarian+Town+Hall+II+-+Gary+Johnson+%26+William+Weld&c=35&h=168&w=300&l=3269&sigr=11bufc96t&sigt=11qblu05m&sigi=12c36ti88&age=1470333352&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av&fr=yfp-t-701&tt=b
Personally, I’m not so much against drones as a weapon, but I oppose attacks via any sort of weapon on countries with whom we are not at war. Most of the terrorism in the ME could be eliminated within a year or two simply by slapping cutting off the flow of arms. Once the violence in the ME has petered out, it will no longer be a recruiting tool for fools attacking civilians anywhere, including the West.
Weld is an idiot, and a nasty piece of work when he’s not being an idiot.
Why ISIS Exists: The Double Game
Thanks for the link. There was no information there new to me, but there were links I hadn’t seen before, specifically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piN_MNSis1E&feature=youtu.be
which connects the dots between Ambassador Ford and ISIS.
The first several paragraphs of the link give the impression of a limited hangout. It mocks government spokespersons and the lamestream media
Digging further into the article reveals that Obama has no problem waiving State Department regulations to facilitate delivering arms to terrorists, thereby alluding to what Jill Stein calls “a marketing strategy for weapons manufacturers.” The author does call a spade a spade in noting
Yet, when the author writes
he omits the US from the list of perps.
The one little tidbit that remains mute in what, in the end, is still a limited hangout, is the role of Zionism in all this. The author does mention Zbigniew Brzezinski, but fails to tie Bernard Lewis or Oded Yinon into the discussion, let alone the foundations of Zionism in 19th Century British colonialism.
Yes, it’s a double game, what another poster somewhere called “the Moebius strip of US foreign policy.”
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