With autonomous Crimea’s parliament approving a referendum for secession and Russia’s parliament approving military action in the area, the week-old Ukraine interim government is getting the sense that its maritime province is quickly slipping away. That’s got them riled up, and threatening war.
That’s the rhetoric the anti-Russia protesters in Kiev want to hear, but as a practical matter Ukraine’s military options are few to none, with both the majority of Crimeans wanting secession and Russia’s much larger military willing to back them.
And that’s assuming Ukraine’s military is even willing to go along with such a war, a big if since protesters took the nation over a week ago. Ukraine’s Navy flagship, the Hetman Sahaidachny, is refusing orders from the interim government, and is reportedly flying the Russian flag.
While US politicians have also ratcheted up the rhetoric, US officials concede that Russia’s troops in Crimea are setting up defensive positions and are in a “self-defense posture only.”
Reports from Crimea’s government say they’ve got Russian troops helping them protect government buildings in anticipation of the referendum, and with a sense that will easily back secession and re-accession into the Russian federation, it seems that Russia doesn’t need to “invade” at all, but simply needs to keep the interim government at bay until Crimean voters affirm the switch.
oddly there is very little comment by senior Ukrainian military officials on the crisis over the last couple of months. haaretz mentions a general being replaced an admiral by the last president after he refused to set troops on the protesters. One wonders if the word has gone out for the Ukrainian Deep State to do what the Eygptian State did to Morsi and just let the current leadership exhaust itself,
Ukraine crises is one of the reason when we say that capitalism can destroy the world in few minutes, Syria is yet another reason when we say that US hand in hand with EU governing body running out of options, falsifying democracy in cooperation with Neo, old and ok'd fascism to start the Third World War.
The head of Hitlerism group in kivas asking the Chechen terrorist to attack Russia, the right wing nazi Michael Golokove demanding for Ukraine to become nuclear within six months, the Turkish government trying to send Syria terrorists stationed in Turkey into Ukraine, the French, German Angela Markell cooperating with such non democratic, far from the concept is yet another. The desperate governments in Europe and USG creating the strategical options positioning their militarism in Eastern Europe is about war with Russia, the Syrian war is about USG and EU government war with Iran, all that is about economical domination by US and EU, a idea created by Paul Wolfowitz and practiced by USG and EU-NATO since 1990, not getting any positive result since New-Neo World Order was announced by Bush regime of Neo fascism, they desperately trying and using all their options which at this moment in time are Saudis and European Neo, old and ok'd Islamic or not fascism.
…a wall of meaningless words, spiced with "hitlerism" and badly spelled names of state heads.
Whatever.
It is not about misspelling names or a city, is about fascism helped by German Angela Markell, France social democrats, English Neo liberal fascism and American government to be the "government" of Ukraine. It is not about where Ukraine in regard to EU stands for, or what agreement they have signed or not, is about fascism in a minority form terrorizing the country.
A government is not a government unless is voted by the people in democratically terms, yet EU and US recognizing such a non elected government with most of them being member or openly supporting Hitlerism kind of nationalism is not about democracy but rather expending NATO land grabbing tools helping barbarians in Syria and fascism in Ukraine.
US personnel invaded the tiny Caribbean Island of Granada under the pretext of rescuing 800 Americans. An invasion force of 8000 Army, Navy gunships and Air force paratroopers. The destruction of the tiny Island's experiment with socialism where even the Pope Paul Ecumenical Center set up to provide aid to the poor was ransacked.
The US assault on the tiny Island including the abduction of bona fide diplomats and their families and was seen as a warning to other Islands who lofty ambitions to embrace Socialism a la Granada.
With over 2,500 service men in Russia Blk Sea Fleet and with more than 59% of Russians in the Crimea Putin has more legitimate reasons than the US ever did to invade the Ukraine on a pretext of saving Russians from the EU/US supported tear gas Molotov cocktail throwing mobsters we witnessed in Kiev.
US personnel invaded the tiny Caribbean Island of Granada under the pretext of rescuing 800 Americans. An invasion force of 8000 Army, Navy gunships and Air force paratroopers. The destruction of the tiny Island's experiment with socialism where even the Pope Paul Ecumenical Center set up to provide aid to the poor was ransacked.
The US assault on the tiny Island including the abduction of bona fide diplomats and their families was seen as a warning to other Islands who had lofty ambitions about embracing Socialism a la Granada.
With over 2,500 service men in Russia Blk Sea Fleet and with more than 59% of Russians in the Crimea Putin has more legitimate reasons than the US ever did to invade the Ukraine on a pretext of saving Russians from the EU/US supported tear gas Molotov cocktail throwing mobsters that we all witnessed in Kiev.
The Ukraine should just let the Crimea secede if they want to. Ukraine can join Nato & the EU. Crimea can have an alliance with Russia.
Ukraine joining the EU economic space (not as a full EU member) makes sense but joining NATO would just mean provoking the bear. No no no.
Joining the collapsing and virtually bankrupt EU- only politically motivated morons (AKA the new Ukraine "government) would even think of this.
Putin doesn't have a choice but to confront Obama… The new Ukrainian defense minister is from the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party and the deputy defense minister is from the neo-Nazi Fatherland Party …
The head of the Svobada Party says he wants the Ukraine to have nuclear weapons within 6 months … The Ukrainian PM is now saying Russia has violated its lease on it's naval base and will be evicted …
I always hear "neo nazi" this and that. How does that even make sense in a non-german context?
Thats why the movement called Neo nazi, which is the way that Neo liberals-fascism in Europe and beyond acts in terms of social economic and social political matters when they support these elements. The old nazi elements started their movement in Austria, Germanic race become the issue with Adolph Hitler when his movement burned the parliament accusing the German working party being behind it, which made the German national socialist party, Hitlerism, to form the government.
That's what is happening in Ukraine, the elements within the Ukrainian assembled "government" supported by the western government in Kiev are nothing but Neo, old, ok'd fascism and Hitlerism. So, you will hear this word nazi, fascist and Hitlerism more then you can imagine because is true.
And how much of this gets reported by our power worshiping media? Zero. Obama and the EU may fulminate but neither has the rocks to confront Russia militarily over Ukraine. By the time this is over, the Crimea won't be the only province of Ukraine in the Russian orbit, and justly so. An ambitious imperialism thought it might pull off a theft through behind-the-scenes intrigue in this instance but it has stubbed its toe.
Thank you Mr. Obama, McCain, and all you other maniacs for rekindling the cold war, and bringing us to the brink of a possible hot war. This is what happens when children play with matches. Furhtemoe, after numerous visits, encouragement, and support of the thugs in Kiev now the US is surprised and offended by Russia's response. This whole setup was orchestrated by the US and NATO in order to surround and isolate Russia. But, Russia is not Libya or Palestine;, it has real teeth with which to bite back, and it will. Losing wars in Somalia, Iraq, and Afganistan should give pause and reflection, not aggressive action against a nation that is capable of fighting back.But fools rush in.
I was on a plane from Trinidad to Granada when this happened, we were turned back. The US army navy and air guys found and arrested one Cuban, now they threaten RUSSIA — AAA stupid.
The interesting point is that the Crimean Russians are seeking to exercise exactly the same right of self-determination which the Kosovo Albanians exercised against Serbia. Hrer again, Nuland has shot herself in the foot
I think the Ukrainians should talk to their Georgian neighbors. I don't think they want to chew on their neck-tie like that other guy did. LOL
its hard to see any hope for the future when most americans seem to think we need to get in to a shooting war with russia over this,
because its just like that time the russians invaded and conquered Georgia
(remember when that happened? neither do i.)
"Most Americans" seems to me to be a stretch. Those screaming the loudest seem to be the old school anti-Soviet cold war leftovers. You know, the McCains, Grahams, Liebermans and of course, the neocons who've never gotten over the fact that the Soviet Union fell, not at the hands of the Reagan warmongers like they like to tell it but due to the weight of the unsustainable socialist system of corruption that became the USSR.
These are the ones demanding the US get involved…so they can finally defeat Putin and the Bear. The US should take note of how the Russians have recovered from their collapse because if the US continues to spend (borrow) the nations wealth the US will undoubtedly experience the same calamity. The US is waging an unsustainable course of international interference and involvement.
Just as a large portion of the American people reacted quite negatively when Obama attempted to get the US militarily involved in Syria, they will react the same if Obama attempts to "protect our interests" (most of which have been ill-defined relying on innuendo and lies) and push for involvement there. It's none of our business – and supporting the radical rightwing fascists is so wrong on so many levels.
fair enough.
*too many
These countries are invaded because of their strategic importance and the US doesn't pump $100bil into Afghanistan p.a or spend $$mils sponsoring Ukraine Molotov cocktail bomb throwing mobs because the US, EU or the UK gives a flying fig about the civilians.
The duplicity and hypocrisy of the West is our undoing because it gives Putin enough legal to room to swing the US cat.
Does the US infusion of at least $5 billion to overthrow an elected govt. In Ukraine not count as a violation of sovereignty?
I don’t think Moscow expected Yanukovych to fold as easily as he did. They may have been planning to keep Ukraine as a sphere of influence for longer but after he folded they were unwilling to accept defeat. Their support for Crimea’s plan to secede is a way of getting back at Kiev and the West. It also gives them a chance to show off their military might and perhaps show Obama that they may have lost a key geopolitical interest but are still a force to reckon with.
IMHO I think the mob throwing terrorists didn't want to wait for an election (negotiated with Yanokovych) for fear they mightn't win and Nuland was counting on Yanokovych being sufficiently rattled to sign the 'farm' over and quietly disappear.
Putin is no fool he isn't going to hand $15bils over to a regime he has no influence over and Yanokovych fleeing "for fear of his life" allows Putin to shout "Coup! Coup!" thus invalidating the new Government's claim to power.
US/EU will now have to fork up the $bils Ukraine needs to support its basket economy without a single contribution of Russian Ruble.