As the Obama Administration continues to try to insinuate itself into the Ukraine protest movement, they have felt to issue multiple statements in recent days denying that it is a “proxy war” or anything Cold War-like.
It’s not really clear who the denials are designed to convince, as whatever you want to call it, America’s policy in the Ukraine remains profoundly Russo-centric, and for years America’s relationship with Ukraine has been colored entirely by a desire to back the side that’s not pro-Russia.
Russia’s interests in the Ukraine remain relatively straightforward, supporting the politicians popular in the Russian-speaking east, and those who back Russia keeping its naval base in the Crimea, the historic home of the Russian Navy.
US policy, by contrast, is to back whoever Russia isn’t backing, pushing their membership in NATO seemingly just because Russia opposes that membership, and because it would force the nation to relocate its navy further south. In the past that’s included the color-coded revolution of early 2005, the embezzlement scandal-ridden government in 2009-10, and the current protesters.
But while nominally backing protesters for the sake of backing protesters, US officials have increasingly cozied up to the neo-Nazi elements trying to hijack those protests toward violent revolution, openly meeting with their leaders and praising them as the voice of a “free” Ukraine.
If that policy decision isn’t being done simply to spite Russia, it is a profound shift from the traditionally anti-Nazi stance of modern US foreign policy.
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"…traditionally anti-Nazi stance of modern US foreign policy."
But the US has no qualms about supporting Islamic radical terrorists…go figure.
If you like your constitution, you can keep it.
Denying it after Nuland sez Klich just aint gonna work? It isn't strange they'd deny effectively installing/utilizing another pop-hate-object. With international heavies such as USrael, installing could just mean a future enemy to exploit in a two-step plan, or an enemy available just in case. It also needn't be strictly a lie if e.g. it was an Israeli thing involving Nuland (among others). …seems especially strange the number of casualties they were able to inflict on police… I don't believe people have the confidence/capacity to do that without some other strongman.
For a few years I was hearing that the Iraq situation indicated neocon incompetence. But it's apparently been easy the whole time to mine Sunni resentment & turn it into violence; even expanding it into other places on the Yinon/PNAC/Clark hitlist. Maybe the model for USraeli activities in the Ukraine has something in common with that?
Interesting that they feel the need to issue those denials. And the American people and the world know that when the government says something, the opposite is true.
Makes you wonder what the rabbi in charge of the FBI office to monitor and combat anti-semitism has to say about the US-Ukraine neonazi connection.
Who's the dude in the picture, btw?
Caption is: This is Oleh Tyahnybok, he has claimed a "Moscow-Jewish mafia" rule Ukraine and that "Germans, […next word would put this reply in moderation…] …and other scum" want to "take away our Ukrainian state."
Also photographed with McCain. Which is one of those pairing of hate-objects (or at least I 'hate' McCain) that could be quite provocative to the crowd here.
Thanks! That's great stuff. Ahh, Madmccain, still the clueless manipulable idiot, who's never seen a brawl he didn't think the US taxpayer had to throw billions at.
Fifth from the bottom at the Naval Academy. No. Not bottom 5%. Bottom 5. As a pilot "crashed twice, and once collided with power lines." Left the Forrestal after it's major accident, which some have thought had something to do with him…his dad certainly wouldn't have. If I recall, USS Liberty survivors don't like his father, Adm John Sydney McCain Jr. … Coincidentally, John Sydney McCain III, is Israel's unambiguous and unusually strident whore from Arizona.
…memorable spoken line from 2008 Obama-McCain: he understands them and "I know how to heal the wounds of war." Mighta been my first clue about him. It's as if someone thought Stupid & Triggerhappy were still a winning combination after Bush…that someone mighta been Lieberman.
It gets better and better. Minutes after Foreign Ministers of Germany, Poland and France put the signature along with President Janukovich — special forces from Svoboda, called Right Sector, taking advantage of the order for police to withdraw and unblock the streets, went STRAIGHT to homes of all state functionaries that were deemed pro-government. Head of police, special forces, administration as well as the deputies to the Parlament that belonged to the ruling Party of Regions. Keeping their families as hostages, all those are to switch alliance to "rebels". Delegates in the Parliament were informed of their plight while sitting in session. They were told to switch sides. Many delegates that did not have families just left town, their homes and possessions to be looted, but saved lives.
After that Oleg Tyahnibok opened the session with Ukrainian Nazi salute, Glory to the Ukraine! With this call they served as Hiter's punitive brigades, those that killed civilians — tens of thousands of Poles, Ukrainians and others. Oleg Tyahnibok in charge of making laws! Sure enough, they are producing now a law a minute. Change the constitution — no problem! Override judiciary and release the corruption queen, Timoshenko, no problem! Remove the president, why not!
Right now, nobody is asking anything of Klitchko or Jatsenyuk — they just follow orders. And so will the freed up Tymosenko. But to her, this is no problem. She is great orator of populism, but while she had power, did not know what to do with it. Now, she is set. She can do the talking, Tyahnibok will run the politics. Tyahnibok commands an impressive armor, as he took over entire Galicia in the West, his stronhold.
The denial is proof positive that its true. It is just like the future of a nominee after the President expresses "1000% confidence." They say it BECAUSE it is not true. Their saying it at all is proof it is not true.
the proclamation makes it a proxy.
No doubt Tymoshenko was really the dream of Nuland and neoconservatives all along. However, the genie of ultra-nationalism is already out of the bottle and they are already issuing death threats to everyone else. I think the field of potential leaders will be narrowed when most of them fall into the grave.
Yes, but at the moment she can only be a puppet to Tyahnibok. His thugs insured that Party of Region delegates join his forces in Parlament after they threatened the lives of their families. For those that do not have families living in Kyev, it was easy to escape to the East. He opened the session with Nazi Glory to Ukraine, and proceeded to pass laws, whether the Rada is authorized to pass them or not. Such as freeing Tymoshenko, who is popular among the old babuskas, great orator of populism — who will be ideal public face to his rule of terror. The question is, what is next. They know they cannot economically survive without taking over southeast where the "Russians" live. This means entire coast of Black Sea, all sea ports, all factories on the east, a lots of agriculture. Let us see how this plays out. EU and US can surely come up with a heartbreaking story to allow more mayhem.
The Russians need to mobilize their miliatary and take Ukraine by force. Clearly, this is a coup by Imperial-trained scum who lost a democratic election. Otherwise, Russia might as well let the Empire take it over, too.
it's not a proxy war. ummmm, except it is.
There's only one solution: massive bombing of the protesters.
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