The Syrian government is continuing to reject allegations that it launched the August 21 chemical weapons attack at the center of the so-called Jobar Incident, being used as an excuse for an impending US war on Syria. They say the rebels did it, and they’re putting forward evidence.
The Syrian government has also presented some evidence to the United Nations of three other, smaller rebel chemical attacks in the general vicinity of the first strike, carried out on the 22nd, 24th and 25th, and targeting Syrian soldiers.
Unfortunately the evidence, as with the US “evidence” of Syria’s guilt, isn’t being released to the public but just to the UN. There had been some reporting over the weekend that gives credence to this reports, however.
On Saturday the 24th, reports emerged of a Syrian government raid on tunnels in Jobar uncovering a rebel-run chemical lab, and soldiers involved in the raid were said to have been overwhelmed by fumes in those same tunnels. On Monday, there were reports of Hezbollah fighters returning to Lebanon to receive treatment after coming into contact with rebel chemical agents in Jobar over the weekend.
Indeed, Syrian Islamist rebel factions have long bragged about their makeshift chemical weapons program, a fact often ignored by Western officials. The UN investigation could likely ascertain whether the attacks were really advanced Syrian military arms or the more primitive rebel variety, but US officials have rejected calls to wait the few days it’ll take the UN to finish up with that.
9 thoughts on “Syria: Three Other Chemical Attacks by Rebels in Same Area”
What is the big hurry? Why not make sure who is responsible? This is not about 355 deaths, who benefits from this?
Not sure if you're asking because you know or because you wanna know. US war is fraud. The hurry might be understood by the contrast between Iraq and Libya; one's PR dragged on, the other we're-in-before-we-know-it. So which is better better remembered as a debacle? No, it's not about what Assad is (falsely) presumed to have done, it's about milking an opportune moment. I heard yesterday on TV ~"Americans need to understand why we're doing this." Gorbachev also said ~"Russians need to understand" it wasn't a total waste on withdrawal from Afghanistan. That's how openly they can talk about their CYA propaganda: if Americans think it has something to do with Assad's poor-man's-nukes, then they –ahem– "understand," and militarism can gain or retain some false prestige.
Who? Syria's been on hit-lists along with Iran and Libya both in the public domain and 'leaked' from the Pentagon. Who's lists were those? I gather there was one (Yinon's?) at least as long ago as 1982.
In May this year, seven al-Nusra terrorists were detained in southern Turkey after police found sarin gas in their homes. (Search for Turkey arrest "chemical weapons".)
Warmongers of the United States are straining at the bit, have ants in their pants, are sick in their heads, and will bitterly regret their Hubristic ways. Can the US aggressors sink any lower ? They leave a mess of blood and debris everywhere they go.
"Syrian Islamist rebel factions have long bragged about their makeshift chemical weapons program, a fact often ignored by Western officials."
That has the ring of truth to it, given who they are and how they think. However, I had not heard it before. Please give us more on that, and sources. It should be important.
Syrian Islamist rebel factions have long bragged about their makeshift chemical weapons program, a fact often ignored by Western officials. Didn't hit me before, but that could be the entire point of all the noise –including any ship/troop movements that cost us, not them. What do you do when your a worthless sack of garbage? Project it on some opponent. I.e., when you're exposed as the low-life supporting both Al Qaeda and the nasty little gassing monsters, it's not too late so long as you can lie through your teeth and call someone else a monstrous little gasser. Israelis could've given that advice (it works fine for them)…and perhaps supplied a script.
Think back to the fifth grade. That pig-tailed, brown-eyed girl next to you…gonna tell her that gas was yours? Hell no, that was Bob in the front desk.
you may be interested in the following:
Qaboun rocket lauches
NYT map from August 26 places a "suspected rocket launch site" at the southwestern corner of Qaboun.
Qaboun MediaOffice is publishing videos of rocket launches from some clearing in the residential area of Qaboun. I understand these to rebel rockets. (Overall I doubt if the SAA ever uses rockets for anything. It would only produce random shelling, and we have never seen proof of that. "Assad gangs" seem to be using heavy artillery.)
هـااام جدا || القابون – لحظة إطلاق الصواريخ من ثكنة الوحدات الخاصة نحو الغوطة الشرقية 25-8-2013 (Haaam very | | Kaboun – the moment of firing rockets from the special units towards the barracks East Gouta 25/08/2013)
The correct translation would be: Qaboun – rockets being fired from the barracks of the Special Forces towards East Gouta 25/08/2013. — Petri Krohn (talk) 12:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
The title of the videos refers to the SAA Special Forces HQ located in the middle of Qaboun. The implication is is that the rockets were fired by "regime" forces. Qaboun, including most likely the Special Forces HQ, has however been on rebel / al-Nusra control from June 2013. See Special Forces Headquarters below. — Petri Krohn (talk) 03:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
This looks almost like a smoking gun! Nighttime launch of rebel rockets from Qaboun to East Ghouta. Uploaded on August 22.
الصواريخ التي تطلق من الواحدات الخاصة في حي القابون بدمشق باتجاه الغوطة الشرقية (Rockets fired from special units in Kaboun neighborhood in Damascus toward East Gouta)
Note the typo in the word "الواحدات". Should be "الخاصة" = unit.
The daytime videos show rockets being launched towards the west or southwest, thus in the direction of East Ghouta. Now, before even exploring the CW aspect of this, one must ask, why are rebels in Qaboun firing rockets at rebels in East Ghouta? — Petri Krohn (talk) 08:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Comparing this video to the Amer mosa video uploaded to YouTube 4 am on August 21st, claiming to show chemical rockets fired at East Ghouta, I think it may show the same launch site, maybe even the same rocket. — Petri Krohn (talk) 09:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I am trying to locate the launch site. The Markaz Rif Dimashq mosque targeted by SAA fire in this video is here. The launch site is about here. (No, not there, but 100 meters to southwest, in the parking lot here.) I still have not figured out where the camera is located. Could be as far away as the bombed out high-rise tower in the northwest corner of Jobar. The distance from this launch site to the crash site of rocket #197 is 3810 meter in direction 146,25 degrees. — Petri Krohn (talk) 09:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
The location match looks good – I keep being ready to try but someone else gets it. Where filmed from, less important, somehwere pretty tall. That's a government-run site normally? I see trucks and stuff. One important problem though: the title translation you got was jumbled. Go word-by-word and it's more like special units barracks firing towards Ghouta. Special alone translates private. –Caustic Logic (talk) 10:45, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
The large building in the background is the Tishreen Military Hospital. — Petri Krohn (talk) 16:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
More rocket launches from Qaboun: — Petri Krohn (talk) 09:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
القابون | لحظة إطلاق صاروخ أرض أرض من الوحدات الخاصة باتجاه الغوطة (Qaboun | Launching surface-to-surface missile from Special Forces base towards Ghouta) – Aug 25, 2013
If this is the video I watched earlier and I'm reading it right, this isn't firing towards East Ghouta but kind of west and probably a bit south, maybe Moadamiya etc. –Caustic Logic (talk) 14:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
More videos from August 22. — Petri Krohn (talk) 04:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Teken from: http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk…
About the source:
Let's see what a ''moderate'' Syrian ''rebel'' thinks about all this. Haytahm Manna, in exile for 35 years, is a key member of the non-armed Syrian opposition (yes, they do exist). But he's not following the script; he's resolutely against Operation Tomahawk, with cheese or with extra cheese. (See here (in French).
Worse; he debunks the US government's ''evidence'' of a chemical weapons attack as ''propaganda'' and ''psychological war''. He stresses the chemicals were launched with ''artisanal weapons''; that ties up with Russian intelligence, which is sure gas that it was delivered by a homemade missile fired from a base under opposition control.
To my mind, the above is the smoking gun to prove beyond doubt, that it was THE "REBELS", who fired the gas-canisters on August 22nd.
Nobody wants war on false pretexts or unnecessary wars, except for Obama, Cameron and Hollande, who are willing to attack even without their peoples' support or without even waiting for the UN to act.
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