For most countries last week’s Boston Marathon bombing was a grim reminder that violence can break out anywhere, at any time. For a select few it became a huge inconvenience, as with the Czech Republic, whose ambassador has had to explain to Americans that Czechs and Chechens aren’t the same thing at all.
And then there’s Israel, who, if you listen to top Netanyahu aide Ron Dermer, may as well have just hit the lottery with this bombing. Dermer is seeing it as a “big boost” that is going to make the average American more pro-Israel and even more eager to increase aid to them.
In the video interview Dermer, seen as one of the front-runners for the next Israeli Ambassador to the United States, insisted that there was a “big change” in a pro-Israel direction among Americans after 9/11, adding that he believes the bombing in Boston will convince people to “identify more with Israel and its struggle against terrorism.”
Though Dermer’s comments are likely to shock the uninitiated, they reflect long-standing beliefs among Israel’s ruling Likud Party, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu famously causing controversy in 2008 when he told university students that 9/11 was hugely beneficial for Israel.
Is a business.., no matter how many people are killed, what is the cause, who is behind.., for Israel all these things are a good bisinessssss.
It's true that Israel has been suffering Boston Marathon-like bombings for the past 65 years. Yet, few people think about this. Israel has been under constant attack from enemies who want to annihilate the Israelis and occupy the entire nation.
This does not minimize the importance or severity of the tragic events in Boston. There is no contest here over who is suffering more. But the Boston bombing does bring home to Americans just what Israelis have been experiencing and suffering for 65 years.
Israel granted independence & sovereignty to the Gaza Arabs. This is something neither Egypt, Britain nor the Ottoman Turks ever did. Yes, Hamas came into Gaza and immediately declared war on Israel. The death & tragedy has not been limited to Israel. Thanks to Hamas, the people of Gaza are suffering and dying as the Gazans put their own children in harm's way to achieve their non-negotiable demand for elimination of Israel as an entity.
In Boston, we saw how well organized, powerful & dedicated law enforcement was able to find & stop the terrorists. Fortunately, Israel also has well organized, powerful & dedicated law enforcement. The difference between Boston & Israel is that, fortunately, such incidents are a rarity in the United States. In Israel, they are a part of day-to-day life.
As tragic as the events in Boston were, hopefully we can glean some good from it if can bring to vivid attention exactly what our friends in Israel are suffering month-after-month, year-after-year. There is nothing wrong with wanting to achieve that benefit.
The Israelis & their violent enemies seem to have irreconcilable differences. The Israelis want to live securely in peace. Their enemies want genocide and the elimination/occupation of Israel. Israel lives with the eternal hope of peace. We should all hope that such a hope can be realized.
You are a moron Bucknoff, if every time an American citizen is killed by an act of terror and some Israeli moon bat politician comes out and said "this is good for business," then you need to have your head examined.
After hearing statements like that , it almost makes you wonder if the Mossad had something to do with this.
If Israel doesn't want to be attacked, they need to stop shooting and killing Christian Palestinian children. They've killed so many that the Christian population has rapidly dwindled. Now they are working on the Muslim population, one child at a time. When Israel decides they love life more than war, and value their own children – and others' children – more than land and making war, then there will be peace.
You don't know what you're talking about. Palestinian Muslims are the ones attacking and pushing out Christians in both Gaza and the West Bank–the same way Muslims in Iraq, Egypt, Syria, etc. are also killing Christians.
Sharon, you are correct. However, it's traditional to blame everything on the Jews. This has been the case throughout history.
9/11? Its the Jews.
World War 2? It's the Jews
The Depression? It's the Jews
The Russian Revolution & Communism? It's the Jews
The Inquisition? It's the Jews
The Black Plague? It's the Jews
The Death of Jesus? It's the Jews
Why I Lost My Job? It's the Jews
Why I Couldn't Get Into Harvard? It's the Jews
Why Someone Else Got That Promotion? It's the Jews
Why My Store Went Out of Business? It's the Jews
Why The Republicans Won That Election? It's the Jews
Why The Democrats Won That Election? It's the Jews
I haven't bothered to look into it, but I still know for a fact that [insert issue here] is the fault of the Jews.
So basically, the easiest & most popular answer to any question is "It's the Jews." That's why a lot of the folks here are answering that way. It's easier than actually looking into the matter, finding out what the facts are, and then critically analyzing what those facts mean. "whew!" Sure sounds like a lot of effort.
Besides, if you dig hard enough & long enough, you can find something on the web or in some book (for those who still read & can also understand what they read) saying that the Jews are descended from pigs who copulated with apes, so why should be care about a bunch of Jews?
USS Liberty
Lavin Affair
Jonathan Pollard
Mossad agents celebrating 9/11
Dermer celebrating the Boston episode
Pushing to put us into war with Iran as they did with Iraq.
For all the above
Its not the Jews but it is The Israelis( Zionist).
No, I was in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon (in the 1990th befor the whole war and secterian mess began which was also incited by the US-Invasion of Iraq) and saw it with my own eyes and talked to people: Christians live and lived there since the beginning of christianity and always got well along with their muslim neigbours. Also Syria (is) was a pluralistic state. I visited a aramaic village and heard christian prayers in the language of Jesus Christ. I know personally a catholic palestinian father who confirmed to me that they (the oppressed "Arabs" of Israel and West Bank feel as one people).
NOW by suppporting the so called rebels (which are the real threat for christians and other minorities) the West and especially the USA will (willingly??) support the expulsion of the oldest christian communities world wide.
So stop your israeli propaganda.
That's not true. The only way there will be peace is if the "Palestinians" are successful in annihilating Israel & moving onto her land. They won't stop attacking Israel until they can accomplish this. If Israel stopped defending itself, their Arab enemies would not stop attacking Israel at all. They would continue until every Israel – Jew, Christian or otherwise – is either pushed off their land or killed.
Israel unconditionally agreed to a 2-State solution with an Arab State that included the entire West Bank, all of Gaza plus parts of the Negev and parts of what is now central Israel. They also agree to make Jerusalem an international city. The Arabs rejected this and tried to occupy ALL of Israel. They were pushed back. They tried again, 2 more times, and were pushed back. Israel tried again by giving the Gazan Arabs independence. This only resulted in more attacks and a pledge to wipe Israel off of the map.
Yes, you are right, Hamas & other terrorist organizations are putting their children between themselves & Israeli defenses. So, as a result, many children, both Christian & Muslim are dying. Hamas launches rockets from kindergartens & hospitals so when the rocket launchers are taken out, they can take photos of destroyed playgrounds and make it look like it's Israel, not Hamas, who is responsible for the destruction & death. Both the PA Arabs & the Hamas Arabs send their kids into Israel with suicide bombs (not unlike what we saw in Boston). Unless you're an anti-Semite (or just unfamiliar with current events and the history of the region), it's pretty clear and indisputable who is the aggressor here.
In a way, you are right when you say that if Israel stops responding to attacks from the "Palestinians" (both the Hamas Arabs in the unoccupied Gaza Strip as well as the former Jordanians in the West Bank) there will be peace. That's because Israel will be committing suicide. I'm sure if the USA had just surrendered to Japan in 1941 we could have had peace with Japan instead of entering World War II. But we'd all be speaking Japanese and/or German now.
If Israel was the aggressor or had some kind of genocidal or imperialist agenda or goal in mind, your arguments would hold some force. But Israel has no such agenda. The problem with the situation is that Israel values human life, especially that of children, whether they are Jewish, Christian, Muslim or anything else, They value the life of all children, not just their own.
The only value that the terrorists, particularly Hamas, place on children is their value as pawns in their strategy; using them as shields to get good publicity photos — and when they can't get good PR photos/video, they just use Pallywood to manufacture them. This puts Israel in a tough position, Since they do value life, they are in a position to threatened by extortion. "Israel, if you don't lie down and die, then we will continue putting our own children in harm's way." It's not unlike that famous magazine cover from the late 1970s with picture of the dog on the cover with gun to his head: "buy this magazine or we'll shoot this dog." Hamas has made it clear over and over that the death of their children is a small price to pay if it means the violent genocide of the Jews and the Arab occupation of Tel-Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, the Galilee and the Negev.
It's sad and tragic. How many more Arab children must die until the terrorists give up their agenda of violence & genocide? War sucks. But when the bad guys attack you and go to war against you, you can't lie down and die.
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On a related note. There is no business/profit motivation for Israel go to war with anyone. They're the United States and the Republican Party does not have any seats in the Israeli Legislature (Knesset). Thanks to 65 years of defending itself, Israelis pay high taxes. If it wasn't for contributions from abroad, both from the USA govt, which has a stake in seeing peace finally come to the region, and from individual donors who are sick of the violence from Hamas and other anti-Israel groups, then Israel might find itself in a financial mess. All of the technology, innovation & other contributions that Israel makes to the world would be reduced. Many Americans who work with Israeli companies would lose their jobs.
So, no, the war is not due to any profit making agenda. The war is due to Israel being attack and Israel desire to see the violence in the region end.
You should not mix conventional antisemitism (which usually blamed and blames Jews for everything bad) with being against Israels racist zionist politics against its arab minority (within the internationally recognized borders and within the occupied West Bank).
But that is the usual propaganda trick guys like you use to confuse people in the USA and elsewhere about the very racist nature of Israels colonila and war policy against its neighbours,
Besides: During many moments of history it were muslims lands were jews found safe havens when confronted with European (christian) antisemitism.
Jews from Spain fled to North Africa when catholic spain expelled them and until 1948 most arab countries had jewish minorities since centuries if not millenia (like in Iraq e.g.).
So the fairy tale of "muslim antisemitism" is false and pure zionist propaganda.
The problem with the Israelis is that they do not want to get along with their arab/muslim neighours but want to dominate the whole region.
It ist about land, power and only in third place about religion if you come the roots of the mess.
Americans should understand that and press Israel to make peace with its neighours instead of inciting ongoing imperial wars for Israel!
Perhaps, but in this case, it IS, indeed, sheer racism, anti-antisemitism. I'm not talking about Muslim anti-antisemitism, and never was. I'm talking about YOUR racism. Yours!
What else would explain you supporting a bunch of genocidal terrorists over a country that is known as the Jewish State? What else can explain your insistence on calling the imperialists the owners of the land and calling the owners the imperialists? What else would explain throwing out irrelevant factoids from ancient history that have no relevance to your argument.
Of course it's about land and power; the land and power that Israel's enemies want. They've been making imperialist wars against Israel for the last 65 years. But your personal racism motivates you to ignore this truth and twist things around 180 degrees.
Your kind of racism has no place in the 21st century. It's comments like yours that makes the world think the entire USA is one big racist country.
You really seem to believe in what you are posting. Unfortunately the majority of the interenational communitiy (and I am not talking about THAT "international community" of USA, GB, Israel and some further states which usually declare themselves talking for the international community when actually thinking of their imperialistic point of view ) sees it a different way and KNOWS that Israel gives a shit on UN-resolutions and international law. And if you want to understand the recent conflict between arabs and jews you have to consider the whole story and not only the israeli narrative of persecuted people who came into an empty country that only waited for them.
History cannot be reversed but guys like you (zionists or their supporters) do not want to see the truth, that Israel is nowadays a rogue state if you see it from the perspective of another people (whichs existence you deny when talking about "palestinians") which was expelled for the sake of jews to build their own state on already inhabitated land. Rabin said (before he was killed by a lunatic fanatic): We did not come into an empty country.
History should especially teach the jews that oppressing another people will fail in the longterm.
So sequestering for themselves all the water sources on the West Bank is merely a case of Israel "defending itself"? You really believe that? Try passing that one by a Native American, see if they think capturing all water supplies of a native people constitutes "self-defense".
J, this is a difficult and dangerous situation for both the Israeli and American people, but it is a situation that can be rationally, intelligently, and honestly resolved in an entirely non-violent manner.
Yes, the Israeli people are (and have been) suffering the results of this situation for many more years and much more deadly results than we Americans — but as was pointed out in a series of questions and replies between Tom Brokaw, David Gregory, and Jeffrey Goldberg on Sunday's NBC "Meet the Press":
Brokaw posed a leading question and his concerned assertion about the violence in Boston, regarding a whole portion of the world (including Middle East and Central Asian countries and Islamic societies) "there is this enormous rage against what they see in that part of the world as a presumptuousness of the United States."
Host, Gregory tossed it to Goldberg with the prompt that, "and the portal is so clear, as it– to act on that rage or to build on it, to further educate it, right Jeff?"
Goldberg: "Right– right, I mean, here’s the thing alienation of– of young males … violent young males. What you have on the internet in particular is a brightly lit pathway to an answer." [Seeming to blame internet]
GREGORY: "Exactly."
GOLDBERG: "we have to remember of course that the primary victims of Jihadism are– are other Muslims, Muslims who don’t agree with– with the more Jihadist elements, and so we have to ask ourselves and Muslim world has to ask ourselves– ask themselves, you know, what are we doing to provide counter programming even on the internet? And– and this is not something that the U.S. can fix or the– the West can fix. It has to come from within Islam."
So there we have it! From Brokaw somewhat intelligently suggesting that we need to think about things the US may be doing to engender reactions (or more accurately 'Blowback'), to Gregory totally blaming Islam and Internet (of all things), and finally to Goldberg agreeing it's Islamic angry young men and internet, and that it's nothing the US (or Israel) can fix, but just inchoate terrorism (Islam's fault). WOW! Goebbels would admire that fast propaganda reversal of any serious questioning.
Gregory also raised the issue of "Islamic rage" and how societies like Israel have dealt with such undeserved rage, and gave Goldberg the chance to recommend not just the "resilience", but "I prefer the word defiance to resilience. I find defiance is one step– one step above." — in dealing with this totally unexpected, undeserved, and unjustified acts of pure terror by Islam.
However, J, the real answer to Tom Brokaw's entirely reasonable and open-minded question — and the reason that Israel is experiencing more 'blowback' in the boarder regions, and in the territories, than the US is currently experiencing in the HeadQuarters —— is that both Americans and Israelis are living (without understanding it) in portions of the DGE (Disguised Global Empire) which is precipitating this 'blowback' against the cancer of the undiagnosed and unrecognized corporate, financial, militarist, media, legal, and political GLOBAL EMPIRE that has 'captured' and now "Occupies" both our countries, J., and Empire which is needlessly kicking the ***t out of the Islamic world to expand its Empire and steal energy resources, eh, J?
Best to you and yours, J,
Alan
You America hating, terrorist supporting turd.
There is no reason for America to be treated like Israelis by Muslims the world over. Unlike Israel, we treated Muslims like everyone else in the US. Up until 9/11, these things never happened. Now countries that are 10,000 miles away from America and only hate Israel hate the US, partially because of our biased support for Israel, and partially because we took the terror war to many other Muslim countries that bore no responsibility for 9/11. they just happened to be enemies of Israel. Let us count:
Libya
Afghanistan
Iraq
Somalia
Sudan
Egypt
So now Americans hate Muslims as much as Israelis do. The Master Stroke of Propaganda is complete. Enemies of Israel are America's enemies.
Without Israel, America has almost no enemies.
And people like Schmucknoff here are traitors to America and should be rounded up and summarily dealt with.
Jbucknoff,
Nobody forced the losers in the shitty little state to steal the land they live on, you cannot call people defending themselves terrorists. You are successful now due to American support at all levels and with great intensity and that is why they will pay a price. If you want to live in peace along with the trash imported from Europe then leave Palestine. Maybe your Americans who love you more than they love themselves will give you a plot to make your country.
I find it very racist of you to call Gaza a "****ty little state." Also, they didn't steal it. It was given to them by Israel.
That kind of racism has no place in the 21st century.
As far as Israel defending itself is concerned, I never referred to them as terrorists. I don't where you got that from. They are not terrorists anymore than the French were terrorists when they defended themselves against Germany in WW2. Defending yourself is not terrorism.
On the other hand, deliberately and aggressively attacking a neighboring country & using children as suicide bombers against your peaceful neighbors is terrorism.
It's clear that Israel is the target of terrorism and that it's Hamas (along with Hezbollah and some of the jihadists living on the West Bank) who are the terrorists.
In fact, if it's anybody who is trying to steal land, it's the Arabs who have been trying to occupy Israel for the past 65 years. As you know, there are a lot of racists out there who simply hate the Jews. These people represent the worst elements of society in the modern world. This is why they are so utterly despised by intelligent and well informed people. I'm talking about the people who hate the idea of someone outside their own ethnic group living near them. Asking blacks to go back to Africa or telling Jews they can't live anywhere, even in Israel is disgusting and reprehensible. Such bigots love to live in ignorance because their ignorance confirms what they WANT to believe (as opposed to what is actually true). Everybody has met some people like that. I'm sure you have too.
You might call themselves Nazis, kike-haters, pro-Palestinians, racists, KKK, terrorists, white supremacists, Muslim fundamentalists, bigots or whatever. But whatever you call them, it's the racism that comes from their ignorance that leads to hate, violence & death. It sounds like you don't care for the Muslim, Christian or Jewish children who are dying under the thumb of Hamas and other racist & genocidal groups. If that's true, then there is no place for you in the conversation.
Israel is the sh***ty little state, not Gaza. And Gaza wasn't Israel's to give. The entire region was called Palestine for a reason, long, long before the Israelis embarked on their terror bombing campaign in the late 40s and stole the land from the rightful residents – the Palestinians. Your sh***ty little state's program of apartheid and genocide is appaling to decent people everywhere. Spare us all the crocodile 'racist' tears.
Actually, until the late 1950s,"Palestinians" referred to the people who are now called Israelis. This is a fact, even if you stand on one foot & hold your breath.
Once the Israelis stopped using the name, Yasser Arafat used it as a moniker for the former Jordanians living on the West Bank. And your implication that France. England, USA & USSR were practicing apartheid by having different laws for the Allies vs. the defeated Nazis shows your lack of knowledge about history.
It's not "crocodile tears." The fact is, folks like you who call blacks the N-word, Italians spics, Jews kikes and Asians chinks are, indeed, racist. I don't know why you believe anyone would think otherwise.
I know that you wish it was true that the region was called Palestine for a reason long before it was called Israel, but it's simply not true. If you want to find something to use to criticize the Jews, why are you using something that any 6th grader can look up in the encyclopedia & discover is not true? I mean you only embarrass yourself when you do that.
Your lack of knowledge of 20th century history is extraordinary. I'm flabbergasted. If you hate Jews for whatever irrational reason, fine. That's your privilege, but at least learn the history of the region before you comment or criticize anything any group of people have done in the region. Otherwise, you're just pulling down your pants on the internet so the entire World Wide Web can vividly see your short comings. You can neither agree nor disagree with history and current events without first knowing about history and current events. If you don't think Israel had the right to give Gaza to the Gazans, then give a reason. Don't digress from the question by making up some fictional story about "Palestinians" being an ancient people or some fiction about Israel having terror bombings in the 1940s (when Israel didn't even exist yet). You are probably talking about the Irgun and the Stern Gang, which were small, illegal organization whose members were arrested by the provincial Jewish govt of Palestine. Otherwise, it's like calling the USA a terrorist country because Ted Kaczynski. You can't just throw out names & half facts at random to try to support some falsehood that you want to be true.
Maybe the education system in this country let you down, young man.. Otherwise it's just irrational hatred of other ethnicities that makes you this way. "sigh"
"Actually, until the late 1950s, 'Palestinians' referred to the people who are now called Israelis."
Close, but not exact. "Palestinian" used to refer to Jews who were born in Palestine, as opposed to those who migrated there from elsewhere.
"Once the Israelis stopped using the name, Yasser Arafat used it as a moniker for the former Jordanians living on the West Bank."
Well, not just Jordanians. Arafat himself was an Egyptian.
Correct, Arafat was an Egyptian. All the same, the moniker was used to refer to the former Jordanians living in Judea & Samaria, i.e., the West Bank. Keep in mind, after the Arabs turned down the UN's offer of an independent Arab state, Jordan occupied the West Bank (& Egypt occupied Gaza for the next 19 years). Until 1967, the folks on the West Bank were Jordanians.
You are correct about how the name was applied to the pioneers who migrated to Israel from Yemen, Russia, Africa, North America & South America.These are the folks who purchased the unoccupied, barren land (much of it desert) and turned it into a vibrant country. It's likely, however, that the Jewish families that had already been living there prior to the late 19th century also took on the name once WW1 ended and the area was no longer part of the Ottoman Empire and was simply called Palestine.
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It's interesting that there was no cry for a "Palestinian' state during those 19 years of occupation by Jordan & Egypt. Also, there is a large population of these "Palestinians" living in Syria, yet no one criticizes or pressures Syria to create a "Palestinian" state or give the "Palestinians" any kind of autonomy.
Simple lies. I know numerous people in Jordan (where I travelled several times) who CAME from what now is Israel and their families were living their for centuries. There homes and lands were destroyed and hundreds of thousand ethnically cleansed by what was later the israeli army.
The fact that the arab states did not approve the installation of a new state on their heart land (if not since ancient times then at least since 636 when muslim armies conqured the region) is no excuse for the always by israeli mainstream denied expulsion of many people to make space for the jews. You should maybe read the israeli historian Ilan Pappe: The ethnic cleansing of Palestine. He now lives in Europe because telling the truth can be dangerous and you are considered as a traitor.
Actually it does not matter to my opinion if you call them Arabs or Palestinians or whatever. Since ancient times there has been a constant settlement by the forfathers of those humans who now call themselves Palestinians. Also jews lived there but they were not the majority. Arab christians not to forget.
The problem of the expulsion of nearly one million arabs (pals, whatever) remains unsolved and as long as guys like you insist on lying and denying the truth the mess will go on.
Thanks for replying to this dirtbag Jim. He is a megaphone operative prostituting his time and keyboard for thew shitty little state. He is not worth replying to anymore.
Aye, and the only people arrested on 9/11, in connection with the attacks, were Israelies. Worth a ponder or two!
So we have theLiberty, 9/11 and Boston (the deaths of US citizens) – all good for Israel.
Don't forget the Lavon Affair!
All of the brain-dead idiots in Boston and Watertown who cheered the jackbooted cop thugs for turning their cities into a test run for a brutal militarized police state will no doubt be thrilled to send their remaining sons and daughters to die in more wars for Izra-hell in places like Iran and Syria. Fine–maybe if enough of them do they might succeed in culling all the stupidity genes from the population and those of us still here might stand a small chance of stopping this insanity. Incedentally, doesn't Massachussets have some of the strictest gun laws in the country? Certainly made the police state minions' jobs a little easier.
It's really tough to explain to people that we can't just bomb Czechoslovakia. There's layers of facts that need to be imparted into Post-Enlightenment American minds.
don't you mean pre-Enlightenment?
Sick minds in america and occupied Palestine.
Since Israel suffers this crap it does not mean that we have to.I am an American and these foreigners have their own problems.
Israeli politicians cheer attacks against Americans by Muslims because of the effect of turning Americans against Muslims. If they had an ability to introspect, they'd realize it's also glaringly obvious that a significant part of the hatred toward the U.S. in the Islamic world comes from its support of Israel. it's a double-edged sword.
This same inability to introspect acts in the Iran issue – where Israeli politicians keep screaming about the danger of Iranian nukes while themselves stockpiling nukes. Noone ever warned them against casting stones in a glass house.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I am almost sure, that this is a false flag operation maybe even copyright by Mossad. And if not: there are many more insane nonmuslim people in the US who commit almost on a daily basis massacres at schools, universities, shopping malls.
The US society is violent from its history, its imperial war policy and inside as well. That is a fact. And so these guys (if they really did it) are a product of the US-American society as well.
Why was the older brother allowed to enter the US after our FBI was warned that he could be dangerous?. I smell a conspiracy.