Wardak province isn’t a friendly one for foreign troops: the locals loathe the foreign presence and credit the the brutal drone attacks that often kill civilians for the Taliban’s popularity. This past Saturday in the province, the Taliban shot down a helicopter and killed 30 US troops, a translator, and seven Afghan troops on their way to reinforce other troops under fire in a nearby position.
Now the Taliban is claiming a new weapon against the occupying forces’ helicopters, which if true, says a security expert, “would be a game changer.”
Chinooks are said to be “vital and vulnerable” — their troop-ferrying capacity is large, but they are slow, easy targets when they are taking off or landing. Like the Soviet occupation in the 80s, the American one, also based on air power, could be crippled if insurgents find a silver bullet.
And civilian populations seem to support the insurgency; America’s drone-bombing campaign kills many civilians and sows hatred, McClatchy reports.
“The Americans are committing barbaric acts in the area and this is the reason that the Taliban have influence,” a local doctor said.
Nearly 150 NATO troops have been killed in helicopter crashes and shootdowns since the 2001 invasion, some 100 of whom have been American.
28 thoughts on “After Chopper Deaths, Taliban Claims New Weapon”
How long before some Pentagon pin head vomits out that it's Iran to blame?
I'm surprised that they haven't done so already.
Where is Mullen?
They did; six years ago. The theory didn't get any traction then and probably wont now. http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1057196.html
As to where an Afghani hill farmer picks up a Stinger or a Sam 7, the money would have to be on very pissed off elements within the Pakistani military.
It's not just the weaponry that's being recycled either. Tariq Ali has spoken about ex Soviet helicopter pilots from the eighties also being recruited because of their knowledge of the terrain.
Blame Pakistan? Are you interested in expanding the war even more? If you are interested in a real war why not go all the way and blame Russia, it is just their way of taking revenge.
Sort of like having a can of Raid to get rid of roaches…
It wouldn't surprise me if the Taliban whipped out a few boxes of 25 year-old made-in-USA Stingers left over from the Soviet occupation days.
But, yes, I agree with the first poster and reply: any day now we'll have "proof" (meaning no intelligence or shrapnel or eyewitnesses) that Iran supplied the Mystery Missile.
This is a natural out come of illegal war on so called self made 9/11 and achieved non of the goal and excess to oil.
This is history of afghanistan non of the invaders survived.
Only achievment for america is, innocent people died in million, world economy is destroyed and america is economically dead. What else will america achieve, perhaps to destroy pakistan also and have done it.
Any word on how they just happened to get a first kill to include part of Seal Team 6? That's quite a convergence: Probability(Seal-Team 6 AND First Kill with new gimick) = ?. Were they typically or normally Chinook passengers? Someone tipped off? How is it not-so-unlikely that these passengers in particular were the first? Apart from Iran, this, for the obvious reasons, could get used to reassociate the Taliban with Al Qaeda -to whatever extent they have dissociated in the GWoT-Sucker mind…
I think the most probable answer/explanation to that is that the imaginary Taliban shot down an imaginary missile which brought down an imaginary helicopter which was carrying the imaginary Navy Seals which killed the imaginary OBL whose imaginary body was dumped into the imaginary sea.
The Taliban "silver bullet" is likely the ubiquitous RPG-7V. They had deployed this effectively against Soviet helicopters. I would also imagine residual stocks of the Soviet "Strella" or SA-7 can be found in their inventories. The likelyhood of "Stinger" usage is probably low, but not impossible.
They got snuffed like Pat Tillman did. He knew about the Opium and was going to come forth and he got murdered.
Seal Team 6 was unhappy that they were apart of the FAKE Bin Laden raid. They were going to come forth and got snuffed. No Body, No Video, No Witnesses.
What does it take? First shoot down a helicopter full of missiles and launchers (most will come down undamaged). Second, use the trophies to shoot down a helicopter full of troops (most will come down dead or damaged because they're not as well packed as the missiles).
I hope the Taliban does have a new weapon, because, ultimately, it'll save lives.
The Soviets had Afghanistan under at least nominal control until the senile warmonger Reagan provided the Islamist Stinger missles. If the Talib have hold of some of those old weapons or found something similar a long hard occupation is going to get much harder.
The new weapon is probably better use of intelligence, allowing plain old RPGs to be used effectively.
Blackhawk Down in Somalia was done with RPGs.
There's no counter to an RPG other than maneuver.
MMMMMMMmmmmmmmm Only time will tell… As for "shrapnel or eyewitnesses) that Iran supplied the Mystery Missile"…..There is ZERO chance….that we will be told the truth about this downing… There is too much at stake… if the "Taliban" really has gotten Sam 7s or some other game changer ground to air tools, NATO will not want to advertise it. Especially after all the OTHER embarrassments like the snuff of Karzai's brother and the poll being suppressed that Afghans want the RAMOZZOS OUT….!!! Nato is on the run, losing friends and gaining new enemies by the minute…. Honesty is their LAST priority…!!!
According to some "military in-the-knows" (see reporting @VeteransToday), the Navy Seals were aboard a National Guard Chinook. Now, Navy Seals have their own Chinooks that are rigged just a mite different from how a National Guard Chinook would be rigged. So, uh-oh and Navy Seals getting cacked in the wilds of eastern Afghaniscam in a National Guard Chinook suddenly doesn't quite pass the scratch 'n' sniff test.
More curious bulls*@t from your "friendly US military." Where of course, "they'll" sacrifice (kill?) anyone to further their cause.
With the killing of TEAM 6,I believe the secret of OBL Operation burries for good.
Iran will be blamed some how like always.How nows it might have been the Taliban but just as likely could have been done to make sure no one tells the truth about the lies told about the already dead Bin Laden.Its not like America is not known for killing its own military or civilians for that matter.George Bush JR "Don't listen to fauls conspiracys" why not there is ten times more proff they are true than your lies on Iraq and 100 times more proff than the lies about the fauls flag on 9/11 and for that matter 7/7 and I could go on forever.
You're getting your geography confused: Whatever happens in Afghanistan, Pakistan is blamed. Whatever happens in Iraq, Palestine, etc., Iran is blamed. Same story but different players.
"Wardak province isn’t a friendly one for foreign troops: the locals loathe the foreign presence and credit the the brutal drone attacks that often kill civilians for the Taliban’s popularity."
Theyre so ungrateful! I swear it's almost like they don't want us to take over their country and kill them!
@mvguy RAMOZZOS? and anyway I doubt they've killed off a seal team, those guys are too useful and Osama's neighbour did say the guys who landed were yelling at him in Pashto,
It hasn't happened since Vietnam, but I have often wondered how the American military will react if they are again confronted by a military force with the capability of actually shooting back.
Ya what nerve they don't what us to enslave them kill them rap them destroy there country in an illegal war.What nerve.Infact Im mad they are not doing it in my country.Come on there just trying to win hearts and minds.
So, the US…errrr…I mean, the "Taliban" changes the story yet again.
Must be those new stinger missiles.
The Talaban still have shoulder-fired rocket launchers, which we furnished them when they were our buddies and we were helping them against the invading Russians. One should be certain that those to whom we furnish weapons will forever be our friends and allies! We have been taught that we must be very careful when we pick "friends" in that part of the world.
It is another tragedy in the war on terrorism and it's a shame just like when I was in Vietnam, America again is lossing so many of it's young people. I salute and stand up to support our troops, not because my son and his team are deployed, but because the young have stood up to become America's Freedom Fighters. I'm very proud of my son for following my footsteps and becoming 2nd generation Ranger, but I am very proud of all the young men and woman for stepping forward.
Yes this is another big Tragedy for America, but I know they are in God's loving arms. My heart goes out to all the families who lost a loved one in this incident. SFC B. Skypilot Donaldson RET Army Ranger.
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