Efforts by the Palestinian Authority to establish a Palestinian state will be entirely impossible, according to UN General Assembly President Joseph Deiss, who insists that the general assembly cannot recognize a nation if any member of the UN Security Council vetos it.
This makes such efforts a waste of time, as the United States holds a permanent veto power at the UNSC and would surely use it to block a Palestinian state. President Obama today condemned the notion of Palestinian statehood as entirely “unrealistic,” saying it could only become one if Israel agrees.
Which given the current state of affairs in Israel is likely impossible. Though some members of the current right-far-right government have suggested tepid support for a Palestinian state (with no military or borders), a number of officials also reject the notion on general principle.
Indeed, a number of Israeli and US attorneys are also arguing that a Palestinian state is illegal under any conditions. They are claiming that the League of Nations deal in 1922 gave Israel legal control over massive amounts of territory, including all of the lands conquered in 1967. They also claim the 1949 Armistice did not preclude Israel conquering additional territory and that the “1967 borders do not exist and have never existed.”
The United Nations imprimatur is assumed by many nations to be needed for statehood, but the ability of nations to marshal a veto against new states has left a growing number of de facto nation-states operating outside of this mechanism, and with no hope of securing UN membership. In addition to blocking Palestine, the United States has also vowed to block the UN recognition of both South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which seceded from Georgia in the wake of the brief Russo-Georgian War. Russia, for its part, is also blocking the recognition of Kosovo.
18 thoughts on “General Assembly President: US Could Veto Palestinian Statehood”
So much nonsense being swirlled about, and all that to prevent a simple thing from happening: a vote in UN General Assembly. Assembly President is clearly under pressure to find a procedural way to prevent the question of Palestinian state to come to vote. It is clear that today the General Assembly would with a comfortable margin vote for. It really does not matter that UN SC will never recognize it, and therefore, it cannot become a member of UN. US has done everything to lean on many states to recognize Kosovo, but in spite of nearly all EU states and US having recognized Kosovo, it is still not officially recognized state, as it will never be approved in UN SC. After a number of years, still only about a third of UN member states recognize Kosovo. And in that sense, US and EU cannot have the high moral ground to lean on UN SC for recognition. In case of Palestine, the recognition will imply pre-1967 borders, precisely what Obama alluded to.
Here is yet another evidence that US government no matter who is the president proving it to be the servant to AIPAC.., although US calling itself a democratic institutions but to the world is a proven fact that there is no such thing as democracy not only domestically but also the US foreign policies are based on a non democratic views.., US alliance with those whom are not interested in peace in middle east is yet another proof.., Israel is one of them and Israel policies toward Palestinian speaks the truth about a non existing democracy both in US and EU. Mr. President when you: "Condemn Calls for Palestinian Statehood as Unrealistic" so the matter brings us back to you and question is…, what is your solution…? there are only two answer to that question one if you truly a democrat and working for peace in middle east then you would order Susan Rice not to veto the vote.., if you are not a democrat and not working for peace and prosperity then you are what A democratic president of the US always been.., a lier as Bill Clinton and his allies (lier) as Tony Blair and the trusties or institutions as AIPAC who are trying very hard to keep a Israeli apartheid regime in power where your regimes is benefiting from.., is just that American people are paying for the few whom benefiting from a bad "democratic" policies.
Nonsense: The United States and Israel will be made irrelevent once the Palestinians declare their state, In other words the Palestinians will define themselves and their state and while the United States and Israel can control them by force such a situation cannot last forever. It wil be like the United States' refusal to recognize China with a its vast population as if all those people did not exist. No, with the Arab Spring the dictators that are in cahoots with Israel and The West will ultimately be removed and the Arabs and Iranians will determine their own destinies as the twilight of The West continues.
Precisely, with the usual damages in the process.
Its not true that this would happen 'no matter who is the president". For example, Cynthia McKinney was on the ballot for President in the last election. Since she's been a passenger on one of the relief boats going to Gaza, I doubt a Cynthia McKinney administration would veto a Palestinian state.
It is true that both Democrat and Republican presidents would act exactly the same in this case. But, those are not the only names on the ballot. One of the big brainwashing jobs that's been done is to convince people that those are the only two options. Please don't think that way.
2012 is an election year. We have an opportunity to elect a whole new Congress and a new President. Maybe we should call it the American Fall, the next wave of change that follows upon the Arab Spring. All we have to do is to reject both the Democrats and Republicans in an election. Its easier than facing tanks in the streets, but apparently still impossible for Americans to conceive.
Year after year the possibility of a viable third party suggests itself to disgusted voters . The regular folks, despite all the smoke and mirrors, see the Dems and Repubs for what they are: nothing but a Good Cop/Bad Cop act designed to keep regular folk from interfering with the privileges of the Imperium, designed to keep regular folks from REAL democratic representation.
Now — after the Bush Catastrophe and the Obama Betrayal — the conditions are more favorable than ever for the emergence of a third party. The number of people calling themselves "Independents" — people who are sick to death of the D's and R's — are at an all time high. And the new communication power brought to us by the internet age — exceedingly low "transaction cost", and no corporate middleman/filter — gives populist, non-corporate politics a competitive chance.
Any blogger can start a new party, and it only takes one to go viral to throw the old political paradigm onto the trash heap of history. See for example my pissy little version of this phenomenon: http://theaccountabilityparty.wordpress.com/
I'm not the one to make this fly — in the words of Bob Dylan "I used to care, but things have changed" — but there very well may be someone out there, someone with just the right message….
It's about time that the UN vetoed the Security Council once and for all. It has no place in a democratic world. WWII ended 7 decades ago. It's over. Get over it.
Are not the humans an amusing species, with a brain that can easily resolve all contradictions, by the reasoning process (methodically asking and answering each question of each contradiction), yet when they damage their brain's process by illogically perceiving that one human holds "power" over another human, because the power-damaged mind got a friend to give it a rhetorical "title", they and other fools perceive that an adult human needs permission from another adult human, to do what an adult human can do without permission.
The only reason the Palestinians (and any other government-suppressed people) do not already have an independent nation, managing their own affairs better than outsiders can manage them, is because the power-damaged minds of their own current leaders, foolishly supported by the people, sincerely believe they must get another person's permission govern themselves.
That is the same mental process which precludes the peace and anti-war organization leaders from achieving peace and the end of wars, much to the amusement of the people who have offered the leaders the process to achieve their stated goals.
If you are not laughing yourself to tears at the humans, you are missing their only show.
The League of Nations? WTF? Does that lame body have any legal precedence? I say that the Palestinians should proceed to put this issue "on the record"
"The League of Nations? WTF?"
The Zionists are employing what has come to be known as "lawfare". Jewish and Israeli "lawyers" team up with New York — ie Jewish — judges to create bogus judicial "findings" which then become "facts on the ground" in support of their colonial aims.
Few people know the realities surrounding the League of Nations and its involvement with the Zionist crime-in-progress. Why would they? It's ancient — not to mention arcane — history.
For anyone interested in those arcane historic facts, here are the sources:
I think the Behind the Balfour Declaration will tell you the most about the League of Nations connection, but if not, you may have to do some small extra research on your own.
The last three are long, scholarly, and frankly, a bit dry. However, the first, for obvious reasons, is quite entertaining.
"Concerning the Jews" by Mark Twain http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/mtw…
The Hidden History of Zionism http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/
Behind the Balfour Declaration http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html#ftn1…
Benjamin Freedman http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedma…
Democracy is a thing of the past now the main consern for former democracys is money and power money and power not to mention surrondind the world wioth US bases withchj Israel is.It seems the US is Israels lap dog but why is the worlds most powerful country listening to Israel well during Netenyahus viset he degraded the Prestdent of the US what grip does Israel have to be the only country the US would put up with type of talk.They have before threatedned the US saying after the US didn't help them in a war long ago that next time they would take them with them if they were on the verge of defeate.Ive mentioned this many times but take a look at Israels Sampson Option witch is a threat to the entire world.And the US turns a blind eye and is bothering countrys that are way less danmgerous than Israel GODs supposed people.
Obama will do what he is told…hasn't he so far? Election year—!
Is there any doubt the U.S. is Israel's bitch?
Note to M. Rivero. I tremble and Kowtow in yor presence. I have been an adherent to the Rivero non-doctrine-i-think-this -is -worthwhile-news-to-report-truthfully-duty program for going on 10 years.
but Obama's master is in London. The guy with the leash is in Chicago or Israel. and hitlery made her purchase in Seattle in 1983.
Palestinian vote is important because it will show that the Isreali Lukid government and their defacto puppets in Washington are hypocrites. Most of all it is important cause the right wing Israels don't want it and fear it. With the world United and American power on the decline like the British empire was after the second world war, a majority of nation states will go for it. Expect every dirty trick in the world to try and stop it. To deny a vote and discourage is impose subjugation like blacks in the United States and South Africa faced. It is a civil rights struggle. Israel has had its great 'carpet bagger' like migration from the former Soviet Union, its over. The rising powers of India, Brazil, Turkey, Dubai as well as many others will make themselves known . The Palestinian human rights struggle is greater than Obama and whatever his opinion is.
I guess same is the case for Kosovo..illegally declared banana country supported by same country's who are denying Palestinians the same state….In real world they call it RUSSIAN Veto..also in case of Kosovo only those US satellite states has recognized this banana country and only 63 country's including Somoa ……. and Virgin Islands…..
As long as USG blindly and hypocritically supports israel, we are all Arabs!!!
US veto could be neutralized by worldwide boycott of the oppressor and support for the Palestinian state.
This message would be much stronger if both Palestinian factions united in ideas and cease all the hostilities against israel taking away the major israeli argument, however distorted. Would it work? Let's hope so. With growing awareness and anger rightly directed at israel the alternative could be dreadful.
not only will the Pals declare and gain worldwide recognition of their state, in hindsight this will prove to be the death knell of the security council, once and for all. And what IF O does not veto it after all?
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