For the Obama Administration Libya is, it seems, just another war. Officials within the administration continue to speak in the same vagaries and sloganeering about the “new” war that they have been about Iraq and Afghanistan, and don’t really seem to understand the growing opposition.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney even went so far as to suggest that the opponents of the war are “perhaps driven by politics” and insisted that certain members of Congress had received a secret briefing on the war on March 14, 3 days before the UN vote and 5 days before the US bombs started falling on Tripoli.
The fervent belief that no one could sincerely object to a massive new war being launched in the dead of the night and after Congress went into recess speaks to a certain viewpoint which has been all-too-common among recent administrations, and some of the old-hand Senators who are used to cheering a war before they find out the reason or the goals are, predictably, out on the talk show circuit loudly championing the attacks. This is what the administration expects of Congress, and anything else is disconcerting.
But the opposition spans both parties and, particularly in the House of Representatives is broad, much broader than the opposition to either Iraq and Afghanistan. There is anger about the costs of yet another open-ended war. There is anger about the Obama Administration still refusing to make public what the goals of the attack are. Mostly there is anger that Congress was never even asked to authorize the attack, or even to approve one of those vague resolutions that give him something resembling a pretext.
There is no pretext beyond the UN passing a resolution authorizing a no-fly zone (and the Arab League proponents of that are already up in arms that “no-fly zone” became massive missile attacks in a single night), and from the comments of US and NATO officials over the past several days there are no clear goals beyond the extremely near term and nothing resembling an exit strategy.
President Obama is surely used to the American public opposing his assorted wars, but the Congressional opposition is something very new. At the moment officials seem to believe they can shrug it off, but as this war drags on, resolutions to defund it will inevitably crop up. When that happens, Congress may, for the first time in a long time, assert itself in the nation’s warmaking beyond being a rubber stamp.
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WHPS Jay Carney is out to lunch. Opposition to Obama's war is "perhaps driven by politics?" HORSEWASH!
Opposition to Obama's war is rooted in the daffy Constitutional premise that Congress and Congress alone, decides who gets a war and whom does not. Yeah yeah I know, Congress went into testicular neutral on the war premise a long time ago.
How about the United States Congress do it's job and IMPEACH Amerika's "first ever black president" and let the chips fall where they may. I mean, aren't presidents sworn to "uphold and protect…?"
Too mild an article. Congress must impeach this poseur and fool immediately.
Congress can protest all they want, but the only real enforcement mechanism is impeachment. They have no backbone for that.
No. That requires people of conviction Appearance is NOT the same as that. Except for Americans and other sociopaths. .
And this equality between appearance and conviction is probably already in for "copyright pending". "Making the world greater and better" etc.
Sometimes one wishes for you parodies of humans (Americans) to make a big party and laugh yourselves to death. Absolutely insincere and falling for your own studied appearances, that would be a fitting departure from the earth for humans of such self-inflicted, unnatural, worthless self-degradation.
1- So there is war but not a war.., so what is war.., war is when US been attacked or when US is attacking other country.., war is when US and NATO countries wants to divide a nation like Libya by the force of Saudis’ and Muslim Brotherhood and get their hands on Libyan oil sharing it in three ways.., or war is when US and NATO governments decide where to start a war. Bombing a country is not a war.., is just bombing a country to the ground.., as they did with Iraq.., NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization which is a militarism regime.., it was build for the defense of Europe in case of USSR attacking Europe.., that never happened and east Germany was given back to West yet they still kept this organization because it is a war machinery, is a useful instrument and been so since early 1990s in Balkans war and then Iraq and Afghanistan and now Libya.., therefore.., there is no such thing as democracy exist both in US and EU. Is a falsified doctrine mad up by those who call themselves democrats. Is a militarism regime and from Hennery Kissinger to Bush Sr to Jr, to Dick Cheney to Bill Clinton to Obama they know that the system is.., a militarism regime.
2- US can not do it alone.., they need a partner.., after USSR was pull apart in 1990s the NATO become the most useful military partner for US to be used in verity of wars. Europeans in the other hand needed to expand their territory.., that’s when the Balkan wars with help of Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright and Tony Blair and others started.., Balkan war was a mission and a test of NATO capability and its air power close to Russia.., it was show of force and still has the same mission as before.., to expend the US and EU colonial territories with force and wars.., to divide countries as they are about to do that in Libya.., to kill people whom are different and speak another language . Here the Muslims Brotherhood.., Saudis and Arab Emirates are the one helping NATO to share the Libyans wealth by what is called Libyan Council.., don’t think that French are not as killers as US has been.., they were the first colonial regimes in Algeria and in other part of Africa and daily killings were part of their militarism regime.., they are as mercenaries as one can call the Blackwater and others are. All that is about capitalism keeping its power in form of a militarism regime NATO..,
3- as long as there is no solid force in US and EU against capitalism.., people will see these kind of atrocity in years to come. Europe have a problem with its energy supply from Russia.., Libya in the other hand got a lot of Oil they need.
Hell no to Serfdom! Hell no to all the lame excuses. Doesn't matter if your a Democrat, or a "progressive". The stakes are too high. We are broke, this is not 1948. Obama's own campaign rhetoric is disgraceful enough. This was a planned effort.
The executive will still be taken over by a Democrat. Party affiliation is not the point. This is absolute affront to the republic. We are in financial crisis. Those in Congress who just give lip service because they secretly want their buddies (or party) to be elected President and want no restrictions need to have fear. California and Wisconsin to name just two states are broke. He damn well knew we had two wars going, then with his surge. These wars of choice are a cancer. No person is above the Constitution, it must be backed up with force. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, and Walter Jones are our citizen's hope. This is our decade's moment. Fight now or wither away.
Congressional defunding is not going to happen. These debates do not take place in a vacuum, and the enemy has something to say about it. Gaddafi has a history of retailiation, and he is very likely to launch a terrorist attack of some kind against the US that will force the US Congress to commit the country even deeper. He has done this many times before and will do it again. There really is no exit on this one.
That would explain why the US had about 30 billion of his dollars safely tucked away in Wall Street.
So you say do nothing. Keep the status quo? I am not a citizen of Libya. Its not my responsibility. Do you know how much this is costing already, do you even care. "The enemy"? – I don't remember anyone Congressman voting a war on "the enemy".. A terrorist attack kills how many? Telling me we have to destroy our budget, economy because someone might attack me is potential hype or extortion. No exit, I am not being disrespectful, but that sounds like giving up power. Those blindly shot antiaircraft rounds being shot over Libya, seem like our money being shot for nothing. They are going to ask for money to replace the gas, missiles, and all the other expenses.
Hello is anybody home? I really believed after the WMD fiasco that led to the Iraq war the Peoples of the World would not be fooled again. Do people really believe this is about saving Lybian lives? These same European Countries have spread like a disease from one corner of the Earth to possess and dominate the whole world. How do you thin they did it? The "New World" needed to be colonized for "Christian Values." The so called African were "savages and sub-human." The Aborigenees were "devils." The reasons for all the wars in the world are the so called "International Community" which are the U.S. U.K. and France along with their NATO allies. Can anyone name a war in the last 500 years that did not involve one or all of these countries?
USA has paved the way and inured the world to military attacks.
One, two , three military conflicts… After a while, who is left counting.?
They all just meld into one.
No fly zone has now morphed into "no armor zone".
I guess they believe that tanks can fly. Or schools, hospitals and factories. After bombing Yugoslavia in 1999 NATO destroyed only 14 tanks, but managed to neutralize 436 schools.
Long, long ago, back in the 20th century and before wars were mostly “between” or “against” not “in” or “for”. Back then wars were started with solemn pomp and ceremony, with the imposition of sacrifices – willingly accepted – on every sector of the population. There were times when the leaders who declared the wars, Kings Emperors and the like, actually showed up on the battlefield, sometimes even actually joining in combat.
In these enlightened times, when countries or, more correctly nations, are no longer relevant and global business runs everything, starting a war is on a par with launching new and improved toothpaste, only those who happen to live at or near where the war takes place are effected and those on what was called the “home front” – except of course the chosen few – continue to experience the ongoing decline in living standards and quality of life necessary to provide for the war materiel and warmonger’s profits. As for leaders leading or getting in harm’s way… fugetaboutit.
I've left several posts saying to impeach Obama and also charge Bush and friends with war crimes like they deserve.Americans and the rest of the world need to join together as citizens and stands against all these illegal wars.WAR needs to be last resort to protect yourself they make it sound that thats whats happenig but all the wars the USis in is unconstituional and the congress is good for nothing because they don't stand or protect US law that they swore to.I'm Canadian and am wonering why we would get involved in lybya Canadians need to speek against these criminal war's.The government needs to mind there own and stop doing what the US tells us period.If the government whats to be involved in illegal wars then they should face war crimes also.
Oh, yeah. I'm sure that's gonna put an end to the warmongering.
A lot of b..s… about Obamas 'war' here…..for those who don't quite understand how these things work let me explain. This is an intervention, sanctioned and organised by the United Nations. Not Obamas war…in fact nobody's war. The US is paticipating with other countries to stop a murderous dictator from slaughtering his people in great numbers, because why? The civilians have the 'nerve' to demand democracy!!!
Right, and if the US had said no, do you think there still would have been an "intervention"?
Oh Rumsfeld there you are.
And of course as soon as the first call for defunding the war is made, those supporting the defunding will immediately be branded as 'taking the bullets away from our troops during a war'.
We've seen the playbook of the wartime cheerleaders- they do this same trick every time, and the American public just eats it up because it gives them something to focus on other than the possibility that the government is doing something seriously wrong.
Barack Obama is a lying murdering hypocrite. But I guess we can expect no better from the occupants of the White House. I wish someone would put together a petition demanding that the Nobel Committee revoke his peace prize. As for opposition in congress there will be a lot of huffing and puffing but no real action.
Obama never should have resived the peace prize and it needs to be taken from him.When in the US you win an election and are sworn in you make a plege to uphold the constitution.They need real change and the people need to look at the government and anyone how went against the constitution they swore to uphold needs to be charged and thrown in jail.Being elected by the people and breaking their trust is a crime that should be as serious as murder.And Obama needs to be impeached then Bush and friends all need to be charged.Then from now on when the people elect you you will now the consiqence of not following the laws you swore to.Thats the biggest thing that needs to be done to get on the right path but the people need to demand it.350 million voices speak they better be herd.
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