Faced with the prospect of large numbers of people refusing the invasive “screening” measures they’ve implemented this holiday season, the TSA is hoping to fight back with threats of fine and arrest.
“Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave” warned Sari Koshetz, a TSA spokesperson. TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the “full body scanners” and the “enhanced pat down” procedures will be taken into custody.
Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists, face fines of up to $11,000 and may also be turned over to local police. One sheriff’s office said they were already preparing to handle a large number of detainees and plan to treat them as terror suspects, held until they are convinced they don’t pose a terror threat.
The TSA genital “patdowns” have led to threats from some local prosecutors to charge them with sexual assault, but the TSA has shrugged off public outcry over the measures and seems more intent than ever on cowing the public into submission.
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Resistance is Futile
War is Peace
Under the spreading chestnut tree
I sold you and you sold me—
This is evil. This is fascism. This is simply not the way a free country behaves.
guess who's not a free country anymore? :S
Your Country was sold out years ago, you are just now seeing the beginning of the end. In reality Americans are all talk, no action. Fathers and Mothers watch as their children are Molested and stripped searched.
You are a Nation of Cowards who repeatedly do not stand up to your Masters. And so, you will now have foreign Master that will own you, and will further make you into slaves.
But you will still sing along to your 'country songs' about your patriotism, and blather on about being the most free People in the World.
Your end is at hand. Your Karma for your past deeds that reaches back 600 years is now on you.
May it be bitter sweet….
You do not seem to realize that the USA is 234 years and almost 5 months old, counting from the date of our Declaration of Independence. How you could possibly fathom our nation being 600 years old only proves your thinking is flawed and your beliefs faulty. I bet you make a nice puppet for your masters, you seem to greedily believe every unbelievable lie you've ever been told.
This is Fascism, in it's finest form.
This is no longer a free country.
If the American people will allow their government to perform virtual strip searches and pat down their genitalia at airports what won't the American people let their government do to them?
The sad fact is that we are a pathetic nation of sheep ruled by perverted criminals.
But look on the bright side. At least security consultant Michael Chertoff who was the head of the Department of Homeland Security is getting rich off the sale of the new scanning machines.
Who says crime doesn't pay?
In the eyes of our government masters we are all terrorists!
When does the revolution finally start???
Let the revolution begin with a boycott of airtravel. Withhold all funds and travel by other means.
Excuse me, but FUCK THESE IDIOTS. If you want to harass some "terrorists," picket congress and the white house. You know, the gang of criminal shit heals that torture, invade, occupy, murder and collect corporate donations. The ones who incite terrorists all over the world. The ones who steal from us and our children. Those smiling frauds who offer up their bloated backsides and their constituent's interests for corporate bribes.
We need a Bastille moment!
Exactly! Our govt is BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE!! The fact that our own got disavows this contract with governed gives us the.right to revolt by wording in the declaration. It is also our duty as liberty minded individuals. The govt claiming the right to detain persons who protest the violation of the four amendment makes it criminal by the rule of law.
This is a war of terror not on terror. We are the targets.
Whoah Nelly! People need to keep writing the airline chiefs and tell them Santa has nothing more than coal for their stocking this Christmas because they're not getting any more money. And money talks! These arrogant bastards need to have their heads handed to them along with pink slips.
Then what the Hell do we do? We have to get from point a to point b! I have to see out of state doctors but neither me nor my wife will be subjected to this bull crap! This is what a police state looks like people! This is what happens when corporations run things. Suddenly, you have no rights.
Most Americans are sheep.
The government already owns your thoughts, so it is logical to deliver your bodies too. It is quite hillarious that open threats of abusing power to jail any "suspects" (consisting in refusing to cooperate) are spoken out plainly. What does that tell you of the respect authorities have on citizens?
Hopefully someone being arrested will go to a trial with a jury and there be compensated with millions of dollars for harassment and abuse of power – and the cooperating officers and personal be jailed instead – for participating in a conspiracy to scare people to abstain from claiming their rights – not to be searched without probable cause! They are thus in fact helping TERRORISTS! Because isn't it exactly TERROR: just what terrorists do as well?
Of course the TSA might claim a right to be psycopathically scared of anyone possibly looking like they might, be connected with or sympathize with somebody not approving absolutely ANYTHING that might pop into a sick mind of some employee. Would be extra fun!
Just after 9/11, everyone went along with this nonsense — knowing it was nonsense — because of a sense of solidarity — we were all in it together — and because we knew "the govt's" heart was in the right place, they were trying to keep us safe, no matter that their methods were moronic. And then too, what the hell could we do about it? We were for the most part powerless. so we went along. I think now we've reached the point where we've had enough. Is there a jury in the land where all twelve members will go along with this crap? Nine, ten, eleven, maybe, but all twelve? I think not. Stupid we could go along with, we're used to that from govt. But stupid and barbaric?, I don't think so.
Is there a single person out there who hasn't noticed that if you just pre-screened everyone wanting to fly, and rated the 99.99% solid citizens with a "Can Fly Unmolested" rating, then we could concentrate on the rest and could all fly safely and efficiently instead of being driven to bankruptcy and insanity at the same time? (I know, I know, that would be politically incorrect. I don't give a sh*t. I'd rather a bit of political incorrectness, than the incoherent and self-defeating — insert your favorite term for over-the-top crap here — we currently have to endure.)
Time for a privately-owned (pre-screened member-owners) air travel co-op which operates outside the commercial system and its commercial air-travel regulations. I'm old and retired and don't fly much at all, but I'd come out of retirement to help run such a co-op.
"Time for a privately-owned (pre-screened member-owners) air travel co-op which operates outside the commercial system and its commercial air-travel regulations. I'm old and retired and don't fly much at all, but I'd come out of retirement to help run such a co-op."
You know, I have thought that out and I am sure it would simply not be allowed to be too successful. There would be Mossad dirty tricks, and even bombed airplanes. That would put a damper on it pretty well. I am not trying to throw water on the flame here, but I have said it before and I will say it again, that people just don't know what they are dealing with here. The sense of decency in the American people is target number one.
But truthfully, I don't know. Maybe just a little bit of sustained resistance would not only work to get the kosher freaks in Washington to back off, but it might also give quite a boost to activist America.
Again, I do not think that people understand what it is that they need to resist. They don't understand the forces arrayed against us…we are basically The Last Stand. These are deep issues. It's not just simple politics. You need to go so far into the gutter to understand our enemy that most people don't have the inclination to do it.
At any rate
no jury necessary when they declare you are a terrorist. refuse the scan and pat down, and its off to GITMO
You've got to be kidding
So instead of the government telling me I can't fly some private for profit corporation can? So what if this corporation is controlled by a foreign country like Israel. And all of a sudden anyone who speaks out against the atrocities commited by Israel in the West Bank –can't fly anymore.
You must be crazy. I have in inalienable right to move about America freely as I see fit. It will never be controlled or dictated by any corporate entity. Bye the way I am from the Live free or die state.
After 9/11 people were willing to go along since they believed we'd lick Al-Qai'da and then get back to a normal America. But, President Cheney et al. had other ideas and didn't miss the oppurtunity to steer America toward a fascist state, and we've now living with "Papers, please!" ever since. (Watch for it ONLY to get worse.)
The government that said it was going to protect us is quickly turning into a bigger threat than the terrorists, who may achieve what they've wanted, not because of any strategic acumen by them but because our own government was too short-sighted not to realize that in their attempt to cure the disease, they're actually killing the patient.
That's quite a no-heroes-to-be-tolerated message there. Definite crisis/opportunity (as Montaigne implied), but if someone doesn't take an effective stand against that self-justified power mongering, it's quite a notch in the ratchet. Do we still have some lame ducks to hammer 'em?
UN #ucking believable!!!!! Well I am not traveling but I certainly would support any and all measures of protest against this morons at the TSA.
First, you have to be an imbecile or pervert to carry out these acts.
Second, its certain that you are pervert to order them.
How can refusing to fly be a crime? People have paid for a ticket but there is no law that obliges anyone to board a flight because they have a ticket. The answer, car, train or don't go, for the time it takes for these clowns to loose their jobs for lack of passengers.
because we don't live under the rule of law anymore. A legally enforceable crime is whatever rule some bureaucracy makes up now. We are actually a police state now.
We have been living in one for many years, but only now is its nature becoming evident to large numbers of people. Targeted individuals have been suffering the effects of this bureaucratic lawlessness for decades.
I wonder if all those people who have defended the Patriot Act are feeling remorse now. You know that if they had bothered to read and understand it they could have seen this coming as the intent behind the USA Patriot Act was to further subjugate the American people. Beat them down enough and they'll do anything you want. Those who don't play along, well, fine them and jail them until they throw in the towel.
Welcome to the new and improved police state. Enjoy the ride!!!
But, that's just this old curmugeon's opinion.
90% of americans are idiots, ignorant or conformists.. so I guess we deserve what we get.. too much tv, too many distractions and not near enough action. By the time people wake up to the "new" America it will be too late. Just look how open they are now about the abuse of power. The machanisms are in place, as it is, I think we already crossed the point of no return..
TSA's Koshetz talks some really big bulls*#t. Ummm, Koshetz? Have you ever heard of 'due process'? "Held indefinitely as suspected terrorists?" Ummm, might that be for EXPECTING one's Constitutional Rights to be upheld?
TSA is totally out of control here. Oh wait, turns out our Politburo EXPECTS Amerikans to be good little comrades and just take it. Bulls*#t bulls*#t BULLS*#T! Enough with the dictatorial crap-o-la.
Here's a thought, Americans could just skip flying the very 'unfriendly skies' and take a train. Or a bus or drive the old family clunker to Grandma's House and TSA's Sorry Koshetz can piss up a rope.
Boycott airlines and do it for the sake of personal dignity and having one's wife and children subjected to government sponsored terrorism in the form of rape.
Tsa agents; you can blow me and i'll give you 200 dollars
WOW – and is there an agreement with the Russians to send all those, who refuse to be scanned, to Siberia?
Welcome to the brutal dictatorship of the TSA – the department of PERVERTS!
Easy solution – NO one flies – destroy the airline industry – force ONLY members of Congress and their families to fly!
The 'good' of all this? – Osama bin Laden will probably die by laughing his head off at US!
Perhaps they want to walk the prisoners, as in Czarist Russia to Siberia, and here the Indiens on the Trail of Tears.
Please, what is your source for "but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists"? This is outrageous!
Thank your rich
"Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists, face fines of up to $11,000 and may also be turned over to local police."
read the article
Of course this government push for full body scanners seriously intensified after the Christmas Day "underwear bomber" last year after the Flight 253 from Amsterdam to Detroit. Right?
But in a Congressional Hearing last January 27 it was revealed that the underwear bomber was being tracked and was ALLOWED to enter into the U.S.
Here's that part of the Congressional Hearing transcript:
REP. THOMPSON: Okay. So — all right. So he has a visa. So what does that do? In the process, does it revoke the visa? Does it —
MR. KENNEDY: We — as I mentioned in my statement, Mr. Chairman, if we unilaterally revoked a visa — and there was a case recently up — we have a request from a law enforcement agency to not revoke the visa. We came across information; we said this is a dangerous person. We were ready to revoke the visa. We then went to the community and said, should we revoke this visa? And one of the members — and we’d be glad to give you that out of — in private — said, please do not revoke this visa. We have eyes on this person. We are following this person who has the visa for the purpose of trying roll up an entire network, not just stop one person. So we will revoke the visa of any individual who is a threat to the United States, but we do take one preliminary step. We ask our law enforcement and intelligence community partners, do you have eyes on this person, and so you want us to let this person proceed under your surveillance so that you may potentially break a larger plot?
REP. THOMPSON: Well, I think that the point that I’m trying to get at is, is this just another box you’re checking, or is that some security value to add in that box, to the list?
MR. KENNEDY: The intelligence and law enforcement community tell us that they believe in certain cases that there’s a higher value of them following this person so they can find his or her co-conspirators and roll up an entire plot against the United States, rather than simply knock out one soldier in that effort.
Just for a source verification here is the link to the actual audio/video of this Congressional Hearing. The above verbal exchange starts at the 34:12 point into the meeting. LINK: http://homeland.edgeboss.net/wmedia/homeland/chs/…
"Do you have eyes on this person? Is his crime, once it is complete, going to provide you with a public relations opportunity to introduce your new and necessary product to protect against just such a crime?"
If this story were transposed into one about street criminals running a protection racket for fun and profit, we'd get it. Very simple. But I think most of us get the story wrapped in the flag just as well.
This entire BS started with 9/11 hoax. Mother of all mothers was 9/11. How much longer can we afford to be bloody ships?
Well, well, well . . . looks like the sub-average IQ school-yard bullies are stepping up to the plate threatening and cajoling the "free people;" Their true colors are shining through.
As TSA and DHS don't own the airports (they reside as private property within the jurisdictions of the several states), but are "invited…" to operate there, I wonder if all parties involved are prepared to stand up to the withering backlash that will be created by such Orwellian tactics? Not to mention the numerous lawsuits sure to follow.
Demonstrate to me where the purchase of an airline ticket creates in irrevocable contract among the ticket holder, the airline, and the TSA/DHS? As I would argue that can't be shown to be the case, the ticket holder has every right to cancel the contract and any time up to embarkation and, as a free man or woman, walk away.
Airports, DHS, and TSA – are you ready to dance this dance?
I can see why law suits have been filed , no one is going to search private areas of my body and if they choose to arrest me then I will sue for unlawful detention, possible kidnapping, and sexual battery. Any attorney would take this case Pro Bono can you hear this TSA……Kacing! Kacing!!!! How you like them apples?
fine… then everyone should just refuse to fly. Everyone cash in your tickets return them to the airlines take a couple of extra days off of work and drive to where you need to be or just don't go. Have the holidays at home with those that live close to you. Lets see how our tyrannical gummit deals with that fiasco.
The gummit types work for the people. If we decide the gummit has over stepped it's bounds then it is incumbent on the people to put the gummit back in it's place…oh wait we are the gummit not those schiesters, thieves, liars, crooks, vermin up on capitol hill who think they are there to rule us.
Oh yeah, Sure…!! Blame Pres. "0"…….. It, wouldn't be trying a captured 15 Yr old for warcrimes or hiz disdain for child soldier conventions…… and the new Start treaty with $8O,OOO,OOO,OOO.OO to "modernize" the nukes….. No…..it's the peeking, probing & groping.. As we blow families to bits all around the world……………… What a steaming heap of male cow excrement the U.S. has become….. A frightened nation of cowards….. Shy puritanical wimps…..UCK..!!!!
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve, and will receive, neither liberty nor safety"
My point in posting the above quote is as follows:
I am astonished that any free thinking American, could find it totally acceptable what the TSA is doing with the naked body scanners, and the enhanced pat down procedures.
I have heard so cal…led free Americans say they don't care if it is intrusive or violates our constitutional rights as long as it keeps a 'terrorist' from blowing up a plane.
To those that harbor those same sentiments, I ask you, where does it stop? How many more liberties are you willing to give up for your temporary safety?
What other rights and freedoms should be taken away from us, so you worry warts can feel better? Do you think you'll be able to pick and choose which one of your liberties they will take next?
Are you so scared of dying, that you feel our Constitution, the very defining principles of the United States of America, should be trashed to make you feel safer?
Read the Constitution sometime.
Maybe study a little, about why these rights are important.
Make NO mistake this is a violation our rights.
Since airport security is not privately run, and since passengers are not given a choice to reject the screening if things get too invasive, it necessarily constitutes an unlawful search, since there is no reasonable cause, nor has there been a court issued warrant.
You DO have a Constitutionally protected right to not being unreasonably searched.
I want you to read this again, and think about the meaning behind these words.
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve, and will receive, neither liberty nor safety"
You are no safer on an airplane now, than you were before 9/11. If a 'terrorist' wants to blow you up on an airplane, he or she will. They can just stuff the explosives up their butts, and no amount of naked scanners or pat downs will save you.
Do you want the TSA to shove a gloved hand up yours, and all of your fellow travelers asses, to ensure that doesn't happen?
These new TSA enhanced pat downs are nothing short of a physical molestation that would land anyone else in jail…or a hospital.
If you had this same security at sporting events, shopping malls, or your childrens schools as you do the airports…the bleachers, the stores, and the classrooms, would be empty.
Will we continue to be a nation of cowards?
This is what the lies of 9/11 have brought us to.
This 'War OF Terror', is a war waged against the Constitution.
This 'War OF Terror', is a war waged against We The People.
Lets take a long, hard look at the definition of 'terrorism'
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
Now lets direct our attention to the TSA, DHS, and more specifically the fascist DC regime, and ask ourselves this question…
Who is really employing acts of 'terrorism' upon the American people?
Damn straight JG! I was just as free before 9/11, on the day, and the day following. No Muslim or Terrorist walked into DC and crafted the laws, regulations and blood sucking agencies that have since then made a criminal mockery of this nation and the freedoms we once had. It took our fascist Republicans and Democrats to do the work nobody else could have. Osama Bin Laden couldn't hold a candle to the rat bastards we have. I'm driving wherever needs be. The airport, or seaport, will be my final destination on the day I finally disembark from Uncle Scams gulag.
Didn't HomeBoy Security hire unemployed KGB General as a consultant ?
Now that I'm unemployed, its so nice not to have to fly anywhere.
I'm traveling for the holidays, but won't go near an airport. As long as there's not an ocean in the way, I'm driving to get there.
Its so very nice. I highly recommend it to everyone.
Get in your cars and drive. Let TSA man empty police-state checkpoints, and let the obnoxious airlines go bankrupt.
And travel is so much nicer when you don't have to deal with either of these jerks.
Deciding to fly is like deciding to eat at a restaurant. Let's say you go in, give the name to the person at the reception desk. And then for your own reasons, just as they find a table for you, you decide not to go through with it. You haven't even ordered food (the equivalent of getting on the plane and letting them shut the door before deciding you have to get off). You just decide you don't like the vibe and want to leave.
What restaurant would stay in business with someone who detained you? Isn't THAT false arrest?
When you tell TSA you are not interested in going forward if you have to submit — SUBMIT!!! — to their services, we have forgotten what the meaning is of "freedom of association" and the freedom to travel.
If they initiate this punitive stuff, they are going to find out something they maybe didn't guess about the traveling public – some people are going to decide that this is where the rubber meets the road and they WILL take a stand.
Good luck with that jury trial thingy. Habaeus Corpus is gone. "Don't worry people, it will only be used against the terrists". You must have missed the part where they can hold you indefinately as suspected terrorists. No mention of jury trials.
"What is that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" – From Patrick Henry's speech to the Virginia Convention.
They say that history repeats itself. I believe that. I also believe that government tyranny will only grow much, much worse with every passing day. Advice for the liberty-loving individual: get ye prepared while ye may. And, I wish my fellow liberty-loving Americans all the best!
The very next thing is camps and showers.
The loud speaker will shout:
"Place your clothing on a numbered hook. You will be able to retrieve your clothing once you are out of the shower."
And there will people on this list that will try to convince you that the shower is for your own good and the guards at the camp don't like the procedures but are doing their job for the safety of the country.
There is a simple solution: everyone should be required to fly nude!
What could be safer than a whole airplane full of people with nowhere to conceal concealed weapons?
As Ben Franklin might put it, "They that can give up all their clothing to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve, and will receive, neither liberty nor safety, but instead probably at least a bad cold as a result"
Come to think of it, given his track record in Paris, he'd probably be all in favor of the idea.
So think safety: fly the naked skies!!!
"…a bad cold as a result" … And a packet o' peanuts!
The highways are filled with cops and radar guns………there is only one solution. There's more of us than there are of them.
Civil Disobedience at its best but I'll bet the sheeple will give in. Anybody taking odds on this bet?
strick back- photo these perverts-put them up-don't do business with them-don't rent to them etc. make tsa the scarlet a. set them up-entrape THEM-surveile them-they are the enemy-make any tsa workers life hell-tit for tat fair is fair-you can't reason with a system like this-don't plead/reason-take action
Your recommendation is what I and husband Paul Wakfer refer to as strong (public) negative Social Preferencing. I have written about it in some detail in "Tax/Regulation Protests are Not Enough: Relationship of Self-Responsibility and Social Order" – http://selfsip.org/focus/protestsnotenough.html
This selective (discriminating) association to exclude those who cause harm is a potentially *very* powerful method of non-violent action, referred to as ostracism by many down through the ages. It is included in Gene Sharp's 2nd volume (of 3), "The Politics of Nonviolent Action", Chapter 4, "The Methods of Social Noncooperation".
Even in the current very unfree societies (of which the US is a major one), negative Social Preferencing can be effectively used to influence individual social behavior and the actions of the State.
Consequently the route with highest level and longest term potential for change is for large numbers of the non-enforcer population (which is the majority!) to make known to the enforcers (TSA agents and the local/state/federal law officers enlisted to assist) they know personally their own dislike of government decrees/mandate/etc enforcement *and* why – the physical harm that is done to persons (and/or property in some cases) being a simple statement to make. For those enforcers who disregard such an approach (which recommended should include offers of assistance in finding a truly productive job) and continue in their positions, withdrawal of voluntary association is the appropriate next action, making it known to others so that they too can withdraw their association, adding to the persuasive effects. To continue voluntary association with such government enforcers is hypocritical of anyone who is opposed to these actions.
It goes without saying that the sooner large numbers of people make negative Social Preferencing part of their own behavior (together with positive Social Preferencing towards non-government related individuals who do provide value), the sooner the number of government enforcers will noticeably decline. And in the process, it is very likely that self-responsibility – including making one's own food related choices – will achieve the role in human actions that is necessary for a truly liberatous society (in contrast to "libertarian" that has multiple incomplete and/or self-contradictory descriptions and "principles").
So, Darth as anyone can see, I concur with your suggestion – "make tsa the scarlet a" – by doing what I recommend above. TSA cannot operate as currently – if at all – if very few individuals are willing to scan/grope. And very few local police will want to come to their "assistance" to arrest if their names and images are made public and many individuals will not voluntarily associate with them for doing so (or for enforcing other laws/regulations/mandates/etc).
I read that Orlando airport has fired the TSA and has hired an outside security outfit??
I'm writing the CEOs of the majors and telling them Hell no, I won't go on their stupid airborne sardine cans anymore.
–And Yes, I do know how to get from place to place without them.
Now you know what all those Prisons that KBR are supposed to have built are for.
George Bush and Chertoff had this planned, it has taken Obamas Lot to impliment it.
Time to Impeach and Prosecute Bush, Obama and minions for breaches of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Soros ownership in scanners and Chertoff's ownership of a scanner company.
Stool pigeons we are indefintely for the wealth and control of these dual citizens ?
We need to stop this subservience to Israel, to Israeli policies now being implemented here, and to the fake terrorists they set up to force us to again do the bidding willingly of Israel. 9-11 was the biggest turning point in the loss of our freedom, our identity.
What a sick country:
It is sounding more like an Asylum, except this Asylum is run by the criminally insane.
Shame there is no real men left to take it back from Cretins.
Just lots of sheeple, all mouth and no brains. Willing to be shafted by anyone.
What good is it being armed, if you do not know how to use them.
You are all just Shameful cowards.
Thank God I will never set foot on its foul soil.
Hey guys, here's what's going to happen with the TSA and these over the top, outrageous policies of groping passengers, regardless of age and appearance (flight attendants, children, priests, nun, handicapped, whatever). The TSA will not back off. I hate to say it, but most citizens will either stop flying, or try to risk flying, hoping not to get called out for the machines/manhandling, but there will be no effective public outrage. People are too dumbed down with years of mindless cable TV rotting their brains combined with the garbage food everyone eats. The people are in no condition to protest, except by not flying. I think we'll have really empty airports. Lots of TSA goons all dressed up with very few people to frisk.
They'll be reduced to frisking the poor suckers who have to fly because of work, or whatever, then those people will make whatever changes needed so they don't have to fly.
Think about this. A pilot controls the entire aircraft. He's already got control of the cockpit…if the pilot was a closeted terrorist, who just happened to have made it through flight training, and get hired, and pass all the intense background checks, he certainly wouldn't need to bring a weapon on board the plane. What's he going to do? Put the gun to his own head?
Think about the ridiculous nature of frisking/searching the pilot?
2 years ago several soldiers were flying home from military service in Afganistan. Once they landed in JFK, the soldiers then took separate flights to whatever city they were going to. They carried their weapons onboard the plane. Assault rifles, big knifes, and pistols. All unloaded of course…they still had their tweezers, fingernail clippers, multi-tools folding knives (but allowed to board their military issue 9 inch weaponized knife), and had all kinds of bottles and other things confiscated. Can you imagine allowing a soldier to take his machine gun, with grenade launcher on board, but taking away his toe nail clippers?
Again, like screening pilots for hidden weapons in their crotch…. This totally defies all sensible thought. It's absolute stupidity. It makes you wonder, if this is visible government policy in this area, what other equally stupid policies is our government engaged in?
Really. After seeing the TSA shake down a United 747 Pilot, who's about to fly the plane, you have to wonder just what other stupidity is going on in our name. Scary
Do they *really* want us to lock and load?
"When peaceful resolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable."
What we need in congress. is a FEW good funerals!
Bring in more Drug Cartels. and hire them to do what our
whimpy citizens wont….or maybe less airplanes would do the trick…threats can work both ways…!
Somebody made a really good point.
Is the new definition of an American a coward? Scared of his own shadow, and the guy walking next to him? I don't wonder if the guy sitting next to me is a terrorist. If I worried about things like that, I'd never leave the house.
For those of you who do worry that the guy sitting next to you is a terrorist, all I can say is
don't be so gullible, they really are not out to get you.
"They" are not out to get me, or us, or the USA either. It's called an "enemy image" and it's used as a force to galvanize public support behind the government & to get you to give up rights to protect you from the "enemy". Before we had communism which fit the bill perfectly for years. They tried drugs for awhile, before they found the perfect enemy image, Terror! Not even a person, or a specific group, but rather an emotion!
If you want to very quick easy way to see how bogus the war on Terror is, try having conversation about the war on Terror, without using the word terror,. Substitute any word you want for terror…scared, fear, my fear etc. and all of a sudden the war on "scared" suddenly looks as ridiculous as it really is.
We are not entitled to anything! If you don't like the policies, don't fly.
Say you buy a ticket for a train. Then you decide to pass on it because you don't want to be groped by some stranger, maybe you were sexually abused when you were a kid and don't want to go there again, (or you pass on it for a thousand other reasons) why should your declining to board the train cause you to be arrested and worse?
By the way, the people are taking your advice by declining to board the plane and fly – but they are are still subject to arrest.
There's one EASY answer, guys….. buggar the airlines! DON'T FLY! Yes I know you're a large country and flying makes travel easier, but you're inventive enough, surely? Find other ways to travel! If people abandoned the airports in droves, the airlines would start losing money pretty damn quick. Mass action, mass non-compliance. You folk over there are going to suffer far far worse if you don't start fighting back. Please, do something for yourselves. We're facing various kinds of shit here in Europe, so believe me we know what powers governments are seeking to impose.
Here's Janet Cr@politano's goons strip searching and molesting a child. Unfreaking believable!
I'm at a loss to believe all this is happening. Have the American people gone totally insane?
What to do…..people………….
It's obvious if one just 'ignores' it, that it keeps getting worse.
Do you think 'This' will not be coming to a roadside CheckPoint near you?
……yes, then what……….
Exact point I've made to friends and family. And when the violence occurs at those points, and you can count it will… either fabricated or not, they'll impose draconian measures you wouldn't have imagined years ago. All in the name of "security" and they'll have their propaganda agencies such as the Cover up News Network "interview" those scared soccer moms and dick less men to show that the Amoricon People want them to do something! It's the fascist dialectic.
Hit them where it hurts, through the only thing they really care about… ($)…STOP FLYING! Fuck em!
Once you're a suspected terrorist, you no longer have any rights. Thanks, Patriot Act!
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"
Patrick Henry – March 23, 1775
Hmmm lots of compliants and critcism but no call to action. Why is anyone still patronizing these airlines? They have the money to put a stop to it by pressuring the government if they begin losing massive amounts of money. STOP TRAVELING BY PLANE YOU DOPES! That generates taxes and fees that support this monstrous system of invasive government. NO MORE PLEASURE FLIGHTS UNTIL THEY STOP. (That is my personal strategy and I hope you'll join me)
First they came for the gays, then they came for the gypsies…now they're coming for all of us. Locking down the airports pretty much keeps us all hostage.
The Sheriff who is "already preparing to handle a large number of detainees and plan to treat them as terror suspects." Needs to be REMOVED from office.
I can just see the false arrest and false imprisonment law suits coming.
These TSA ( people? ) are not commissioned Officers.
I am afraid that they would have to arrest me.
The air traffic control system is ancient, and there is a shortage of controllers, half of whom face mandatory retirement over the next two years. There are few orders for new jets among major U.S. airlines, heck, there are only a few major U.S. airlines left. Is it possible that invasive screening is meant as a disincentive to flyers, blamed on terrorists instead of the bankruptcy of the U.S.?
Did you ever wonder how a majority of supposedly bright and educated people in Germany came to accept a corporate/fascist police state? Wonder no more. A supremely arrogant and growing corporate/fascist police state is now setting up shop in America and the vast majority of Americans havn't got a clue. The corporate fascists who initially bankrolled Hitler eventually lost their control over him and he became a dictator with unlimited power. Thanks to the so-called Patriot Act and other "enabling" acts and laws that have been passed by our Reichstag (oops, I meant to say Congress), any U.S. president who desires or chooses to could become a virtual dictator overnight with the mere stroke of his pen. We are living in interesting times. Eh?
Time to leave this fascist police state. Fuck the US and fuck the stupid, gutless cowards that call themselves Americans. You deserve all the shit that's coming to you. I hope you pansies enjoy the finger up your ass that's coming after the next phony 'terror attack' by some sucker with a firecracker in his asshole.
The very last sentence of the article tells it all- the TSA is doing everything in its power to cow the public into submission. That's EXACTLY the sort of thing our forefathers fought against in order to secure our freedom. This sort of treatment at the hands of government is precisely why we rose up against Great Britain- perhaps it's time for a Second Revolution? I pray it doesn't happen with violence, but at this point I have no illusions that the government- TSA or otherwise- would hesitate for one minute to fire upon American citizens when faced with a real uprising of any sort. When I see the first report of this happening, I guarantee you it will be GAME ON all across the country and woe be unto those who lines up on the wrong side.
"I will not fly Sam I am, I will not fly. They fondle my green eggs and ham, Sam I am. I will not fly Sam I am."
Need a new bumbper sticker: "Depressed? Out of work? Horney?
Take two Viagra and head for the airport!"
My fantasy: A thousand citizens show up at a major airport. Each one has a bamboo cane. They rush the TSA NAZI/COMMIE bully's and whip their sorry little asses with the bamboo canes until they bleed and beg them to stop.
The key word here is "submit." Get used to it, sheeple!
It seems that the time has finally arrived to stand up en masse against the master and fight.
It should be known that anyone that works for TSA, law enforcement, or the courts will be held accountable for their complicity. The excuse that they are "not the ones making the decisions" or "just trying to do their job" will fall on deaf ears. Right is right and wrong is wrong and if you are "just following orders" it won't make a difference to us any more. You are adults making your own decisions and will be dealt with as such, possibly quite harshly.
The time for civil disobedience is over. We either put up now or consign our children to being slaves.
The answer is very simple. 1. tell your boss you will need a few extra days off for Thanksgiving because you're driving NOT FLYING! When 12 or 15 million people decide to do that, things will change. 2. Quit flying BOZO! What's the big hurry anyway?
And flying just like credit cards are a luxury, so just quit using both and watch how your government changes its tune, like real quick!
TSA announced it will arrest Citizens as suspected terrorists who refuse both invasive pat-downs and body scans? Could Americans that refuse to submit to invasive TSA body searches and scans at airports, soon find TSA extending its current forced invasive screening, threats of arrest and $11,000 fines, on passengers boarding buses, trains and cruse ships; including at TSA roadway vehicle check points?
It has been suggested TSA adopt the Israeli passenger screening methods that rely on intelligent and experienced screeners to ask passengers questions, so passengers are not needlessly subjected to humiliating body searches and X-ray scans. It should be noted Israel is a small country with few commercial airports compared to America. Israel can staff its limited airports with a sufficient number of educated/intelligent interrogators to screen air passengers; TSA on the other hand is hiring the extreme opposite. TSA screeners appear short on education, interrogation skills and some apparently lack the ability to think and solve simple problems. It is questionable whether U.S. Taxpayers could afford the costs to pay Israeli educated level and experienced screeners at most American airports. Meanwhile, millions of Americans are revolting, won’t stand for being stripped naked/ invasive pat downs and touching by current level TSA screeners and or radiated by X-ray scans every time they fly; problematic in the future to include taking a bus, train and stops at TSA vehicle check points. TSA’s mistreatment, humiliation and general abrasive handling of Americans at airports, may be a portent to Americans (next) getting a Boot in their face if they refuse to be stripped searched or x-rayed before boarding—any form of public transportation.
Another problem with TSA strip-searching and X-raying Citizens, is that it can be used by the government in power to selectively target individuals that lawfully speak out or write against U.S. Government, harassing targeted Citizens at every mode of transportation with relentless body searches, pat-downs and X-ray scans to the point Americans will be reluctant or afraid to travel anywhere by plane, bus or drive their vehicle on the street because of TSA Check Points. In Northern Ireland not many years ago, it was alleged numerous times over decades that British soldiers at roadway vehicle check points, waved Irish Catholics though, then machine gunned the occupants claiming the vehicle failed to stop. Irish Catholic communities protested and complained. The Northern Ireland British Government would call a committee to investigate taking 18-months to determine cause of death. In the interim another alleged British atrocity would take place against Catholics overshadowing prior killings and alleged false arrests and imprisonments. Catholics traveling were intentionally harassed by British troops and police at highway check points, forced to submit to humiliating searches; political activists were delayed or taken away so they could not drive to a political meeting or speak at an event that opposed British polices.
Could U.S. Citizens be similarly targeted e.g., Tea Party Members, Anti-war activists and others after TSA overseen by Homeland Security, extends its body searches and X-ray scans to passengers boarding trains, buses and at vehicle check points?
According to a recent CBS poll, 81% of the American people said they readily accept, for themselves and their children, the tyranny of the Federal government’s forced scanning of their naked bodies and the humiliating forced groping of their genitalia at the airports if it will ensure that they will be “safe” and “secure.” My god! And these same people have the audacity to claim to be citizens of “the land of the free and the home of the brave?” Nevertheless, this is what the other 19% of those Americans who truly love liberty has to say to these un-American, craven cowards: If ye love so-called “safety” and “security” greater than your human dignity and liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, depart from us in peace. We who love liberty seek not your counsel nor do we seek your disgusting presence in our midst. Go! Crouch down and lick the jack-boots of the police state that enslaves you; and may posterity forget that ye were once our countrymen.
Henry, I'm of the mind that those 81% rarely fly that often and have never, yet, been frisked by TSA so the "poll" is simple propaganda.
Mot, I agree with your opinion regarding the 81%. But whatever the percentage of the American people may be who supports the TSA and its draconian policies, my points are still valid: they are willing to trade their human dignity and their hard-won constitutional rights for very dubious and suspect promises of "safety" and "security." And that greatly disturbs me. If this Federal tyranny at the nation's airports is not forcefully confronted by a majority of the American people very soon, then I believe America will very quickly descend into a full-blown fascist police state. It is time to draw a line in the sand that government tyranny is forbidden to cross. If not at the airports, then where else? If not now, then when?
Your points are entirely valid. I can't argue with them. I think it has to do with my cynical attitude with regards anything mainstream news or polls state. It's like watching a television commercial where they say, "9 out of 10 dentists… blah blah blah" Says who? And indeed it has to be stopped now or else they'll be more brazen then they already are. To me the rabid dog that is the TSA needs to be put down.
Don't like the US government fabricated fear and/or "security theater"? Don't like the threat by TSA of police custody (arrest) and $11,000 in fines for refusing scanners and enhanced patdowns?
When large numbers of people take fewer flights (or none at all), the airlines will be motivated to make their own waves with the federal government – diminishing revenues make a big difference. And of course the process will necessarily need to include open discussion of the *reasons* for why flights into certain areas may carry with them more risk – why travel to/within the USA has more potential for "terrorist activity" than, for instance, to/within Switzerland (when not from USA). I don't think there are terrorists out to wreak havoc on the Swiss people… their government hasn't been out dictating to and/or invading most of the rest of the world. Instead, the US government has made itself "al-Qaeda’s top recruiter".
My recommended current measures for those traveling:
– Fly commercial airlines *only* when absolutely necessary for physical presence quickly;
– If flying commercial for essential time critical reason – loudly proclaim objection to search/scan measures & complying *only* because of necessary flight or the coercion of the TSA's threats of arrest & fines if you leave the airport at that point;
– Publicize why not flying;
– Take notes and/or record interactions with TSA if flying and publicize;
– Do not voluntarily associate with TSA agents – negative Social Preferencing;
– Publicize names and photos of TSA agents so that others can negatively Social Preference (TSA cannot operate as currently if very few individuals are willing to scan/grope);
– Be identifiable in all the above publicizing since anonymity does *not* engender highest level of support from others.
Suggestions for non airlines flying options such as private pilots/flying clubs/charters can be very useful – and hopefully will be expanded by group(s) coordinating private pilots/charters and prospective passengers.
Time for some entrepreneur to fire up "TSA – free" travel services.
I hope this doesn't apply to children either…I am 16 and I would surely hope that would be illegal.
There is a simple way for us to end this body scanning business. Call the airline and tell them you will not book a flight until the scanners are gone. If, 10% of us do that the scanners will be removed.
I think it may already be too late. We've lost the right to own a home (property taxes (rent)), we've lost our fourth amendment rights. We've just about lost our 2nd amendment rights (Brian Aitken's case). We're about to lose the 1st amendment (FCC to shut down conservative talk shows).
Our puny little militias are called right wing wacko groups.
The government has smart bombs, tactical nukes and other high tech weaponry. We cannot hope to prevail in a one on one against this tyranny. It's all over.
Perhaps one can find a remote country somewhere, in the middle of nowhere and live like Swiss Family Robinson, self sufficiently and at a level of 17th century agrarian living. Even then, the UN troops may move in and take over. Their tentacles are everywhere. There is no escape.
They will keep the planes flying by filling them with "prisoners" being taken to their destination of incarciration and how many billions of tax payer dollars to lock us up?
Happy Days Are Here Again!
Wow, I guess this isn't the America I grew up loving and protecting for so many years. If History serves me right in the 1930's the same kind of thing started happening in Germany and all of the European Countries started falling to the wayside as NAZISM spread and controlled the countries there.
I would have to say that 99% of the fliers on the Airlines are Peace Loving Americans that would not cause any problems, but unfortunately there is that 1% that DOES want to cause harm.
My question to our Government is why are we not instituting the same standards at the Borders. Make it mandatory that all people entering the Country from a Foreign Point of Origin have to go through scanners and x-ray machines. Oh what a minute, that would be profiling and we don’t want to do that! Insult those coming into such a great country, we can’t do that, but yet we can do it to ourselves and have to live with it.
We just voiced our opinions’ with the last election, but it sounds like the Government still has not heard us. Stop flying; tell your Companies that you don’t wish to fly anymore because you are afraid of what might happen at the airports. When they all start losing MONEY, and that’s the bottom line for all of them, they will rally and go after the Government to start using Common Sense when it comes to matters like these.
The requisite common sense must include a clear and rational sense of proportion in assessing and responding to the actual risk of terrorism and violence: Even as we enrage millions of people in our insensitive and domineering nationalist and authoritarianist ways, terrorism has always been and will remain a lower risk than so many other mundane risks in modern life- things that we know better than to fall to pieces over. Terrorism is not really a crushing spectre that we must lay down our freedoms of thought, movement, and action to. Leaders who suggest draconian national behavior modification must be exposed as the hacks and manipulators that they are. Otherwise we will continue to incrementally forfeit common sense, our freedoms, and eventually our humanity.
Airport security screenings are a big joke. You can't tell them that,they think that they have it all wrapped up. It will never be safe unless mechanics,catering,baggage handlers etc also are scanned. If FBI agents can be bought off, who's to say an airline employee can't be bought !
I wonder how many stupid people are going to submit when TSA introduces Sigmoidscopys. One TSA incompitent already busted a poor old man's urinal bag from hard fisking. That's bad training on TSa's part, but then again most TSA people are HUD people with no common sense. Just don't fly. Drive or take a train while you can. Next up TSA check points at train stations and State borders. TSA is taking up the KGB's mantle. Welcome to the USASSR.
This Government is nothing more than organized crime on a national scale. The President is the Don,the Senators are the Captains, the Congress are the Soldiers, and the Fag FBI are the assiciates who carry out the dirty work. Why don't TSA & FBI search cargo containers headed for Israel and the middle east. Where do you think missing girls wind up. The FBI are too busy putting a guard around these containers to make sure they get to there destination. I wonder how much they get paid!
As has been said in previous posts, just don't fly. For those of you who say "I need to fly" I ask why? There are alternatives. You could charter a smaller airplane, take the train or bus, or even drive yourself. Why do you NEED to fly on a major airline? So you can get strip searched, humiliated, and generally treated like cattle?
The "benefits" of using a major airline is what? A meal? A movie? The ability to take a nap? Speed of travel?
You can retain the speed by using an independent airline that uses smaller airplanes and smaller airports where you don't have to park 3 miles away and hope you can find your car again when you return. A train can afford you both naps and meals, and can be very quick for ground travel. A bus would take longer and require stops for eating, but it's affordable.
If you drive yourself you can take in the sights as you go and learn more about the country you live in. You would be in complete control of where you go, how you get there, and where you might stop along the way.
If they treat you like a terrorist then be one against them.
All this bullshit is contingent upon one matter; the legitimacy of the "government's" claims about 911. Was it an inside job or not? Every entry of every blog on every web site bitching about this issue needs a mention of what total horse shit the "government's" narrative is with facts and sources. This includes ALL BLOGS such as the web pages of all the mainstream media. With due dilligence on the part of thinking and concientious people, this could be the tipping point for the ass holes that think they're in charge.
As I understand it, the Gestapo actually never had the legal authority that the TSA and the IRS have. Makes you wonder. I'd bet my social studies teacher is turning over in his grave. I know my mother would be. I'm glad I no longer have any reason to fly and can use alternative transportation to get anyplace I need to go.
I'm wiating for Russia to print bumper stickers saying, move to Russia, a free country compared to America.
If you travel by car in the lower southwest , watch out for the NAZI / Soviet KGB check points set up by the impident thugs of the US Border Patrol. Agent Gomez and his cohorts already stunned and beat a Baptist Minister then turned around and lied about it in court. Check it out on Youtube.
The following statement: "Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists" is unsupported. The links the author provide do not corroborate that allegation. If the statement cannot be supported, the article should be removed for the sake of Antiwar.com's credibility.
Here is a petition for U.S. federal election reform, so that Congress will obey the people not corporations: http://www.petitiononline.com/PoliTru3/petition.h….
If we act together now, we can still save our country.
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