Autopsies are coming out today revealing some details about the circumstances of the Israeli attack which left at least nine aid workers dead. Doctors say that several of the victims were shot in the head and that in at least one case the gun was just inches from the aid worker’s head when fired.
But additional information is also coming in in the form of a report from an unnamed Israeli staff-sergeant, who claims proudly to have single-handedly killed at least six of the civilian aid workers.
The staff-sergeant says he has no doubt everyone on board was a “terrorist” and claimed there were secretly dozens of “hardcore mercenaries” on board.
The staff-sergeant’s story is being well received in Israel, where the killings have been lionized by a sympathetic media and by government officials eager to cash in on the latest jingoist craze. He is now being praised for “stabilizing the situation” and is being considered for a medal of valor for his killings.
The Israeli military insists that, far from the straightforward massacre of civilians that it appears to be, they are the victims of a massive conspiracy to frame them, and that 50 “well trained” Turks with communication devices, who they said were likely ex-military, were on board shooting and throwing grenades at them. The fact that no grenades or guns or communication devices or, indeed, “terrorists” were found on board is being claimed as another coverup, that after the massacre the “terrorists” somehow had the presence of mind to throw all the evidence overboard. Exactly how they all disappeared themselves in unclear, but not a single captive was charged with any crime.
Do these idiots just want to inflame the region?
Yes,
And the fundamentalist Christians in the US support Israel precisely because they believe that Israel will start Armaggedon for them.
So, the short answer is ….. yes.
This is not the first israeli mass-murderer of civlians to be commended as a hero. google Dr. Baruch Goldstein.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/685792.stm
Sick. Americans are stuck with paying with blood, treasure and dishonor for the crimes of these scum because of a traitorous element who have bought their toadies positions in our government. Makes me want to stop working and go on welfare to stop paying taxes which support these racists, they are the Nazis of today. Spend a little time reading the propaganda and talkback in Israel's right wing media like Ynet, Israel has been taken over by pure evil. I do feel for the good and righteous Israelis who are in political minority because the same scum who are buying our government are supporting the fascist element there. There must be some way we could work with them against these evil ones.
Well said Johnof colorado…. people here (U.S) have been spoonfed Facism for some time now..time for "OPERATION CLEAN SWEEP"… June 8 ,1967. USS LIBERTY was ATTACKED by the same THUGS..may you guys rest assure are government WILL. Take notice of this !!!!.. anyway the Dakar was sunk.. well done !!!.. time for more action… fight fire with fire… Carry On
"Israel has been taken over by pure evil"
That's not perceptive analysis, that's infantile mud-slinging. If you were capable of any insight, of seeing things from another's perspective, you'd understand that people who feel like the world is against them will react with defiance. It's that defiance and back-against-the-wall attitude which you encounter on Ynet. But like any other bigot with preconceived, reductive notions about his enemies, you mistake predictable and justified defensiveness for "pure evil".
Being quick to condemn millions of people as "pure evil" is a sign of intellectual immaturity. What's worse is that you even have columnists on this site who use the exact same simplistic terminology (like Paul Craig Roberts and Justin Raimondo). I suppose the lowly forum contributors just follow their leaders unthinkingly, being incapable of independent thought. Monkey see, monkey do.
when you murder unarmed civilian and celebrate in streets of your city you are evil and the lowest
form of living things on earth by the way have your commandoes to come to the white house eat
dinner with president and rahm and also with our KONGRESSZZMEN
"Unarmed civilians" or bloodthirsty club-wielding lynch mob? Video doesn't lie, but anti-Israel critics do.
I presume that any Israelis who "celebrated" this event were informed that their soldiers were nearly murdered by Auschwitz-loving jihadist terrorists, but overcame them and won the battle. If Israeli media presented the distorted picture you folks prefer to receive here at the ever-so-peaceful Antiwar.com, they'd be hanging their heads in shame and committing mass suicide, just to make you drooling wolves happy as can be.
I don't recall seeing any "rope". Did you? So the term "lynch mob" is false. In other words it is a LIE.
Better be careful Pariah. I'll have them put a lock on your IP for going around and back stabbing those you don't like.
What the hell are you talking about, bigot? Is this another example of your Jew-hating paranoia? How am I stabbing people in the back?
What the hell are you talking about, bigot? Is this another example of your Jew-hating paranoia? How am I stabbing people in the back?
Go away.
Don't tell him to shaft his employer.
Being quick to condemn millions of people as "pure evil" is a sign of intellectual immaturity.
Kind of like starving millions in an open air prison called Gaza.
You simple minded dolt.
Ok, so the millions of people are condemning their own government for these actions, right? They wouldn't be out in the streets jumping up and down and celebrating their great victory, right?
Israel is a parlimentary government, so NetanYaHoooo can be removed today on a vote of 'no-confidence'. If the Israeli parliment were horrified at these killings, that's what they'd do, right?
At some point, the vast majority of the people of Israel who elected this government and who appear to be openly cheering these murders bear some responsibilty.
Just like I as an American bear some responsibility for our crimes. When the rest of the world sees America time after time support poiticians who commit evil around the world, then at some point they have a right to refer to Americans as 'evil'. I can only hope that I can convince the war crimes tribunals that I opposed this with all that I could. Thus I write. Thus I protest.
So, where are all these Israelis who don't approve of open murder on the high seas? Are there millions marching in protest today? Are they surrounding Parliment demanding a vote of no-confidence and new elections? Where are they?
The pictures of people dancing in the streets and celebrating the open murder of humanitarians gives lie to your claims.
I wonder when his shift at the Israeli Propaganda ministry ends and Schmuck's shift begins again.
fascinating that all support of Israel outside the paid propgandists is gone.
ten years ago, there'd have been lots of people defending Israel. Today, its just "Pariah" and "Schmuck", who are obviously paid to do so.
I've been protesting by the side of the streets this week. We get constant honks of support. And zero opposition or argument. None. Not a harsh word directed towards us, but lots of honks of support and waves and peace signs flashed our way.
Isn't it interesting how all support for Israel appears to be rapidly vanishing.
Our political system is unfree and rigid and controlled. So, its behind the people in this case. But, with Israel losing all support, it will eventually follow.
Someday, all US aid and military assistance to Israel will end. I hope Israel's been making friends with their neighbors, because then they'll be on their own.
Hasbarah in action. Pariah must be very busy these days, shuttling between Mondoweiss and Antiwar. I wonder if their Propaganda Ministry took lessons fro Goebbels of Nazi Germany, or old Joe Stalin of the USSR!
I wonder if this guy murdered the American who was shot in the head four times at close range.
That's "self-defense" in Israel by the way. Four shots to the head. Obviously that kid was still attacking this muscular commando after the first three shots to the head and the poor commmando had to shoot him the fourth time in the head to finally stop him. What nonsense.
But, what I really want to know is this. Is Israel going to give out medals for murdering Americans?
P you seem to be using words you do not comprehend –bigot? Look in the mirror, read your own babbling, do you see the perspective of Gazans who are luck to be able to feed their children once a day, every day? Are they not acting in defiance by just surviving??
You display you lack of human compassion and insight into How many meals do you suppose those posting hate and bigotry on Ynet miss? I most surely know that the scum ruling Israel at the present time nurture that illusion of "back to the wall" in weakest minds of their flocks. It's a very old tachtic of tyrants to gain and keep power.
I don't believe in magical beings, gods, however I do recognize evil, like the Shadow I know – What evil lurks in the hearts of men. Grow Up P and recognize there is only one race- the Human Race.
Here is a link to a very pertinent article by one of the most beautiful women in the world if one measures beauty by their intelligence and their Honor. Karen Kwaitkowski– Gaza Survivalism -http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski250.html
To Pariah you need to read some history. Over 700 Turks died in Korea, not a single Israeli. Our great ally Israel tried to sink the USS Liberty in June 1967 killing 34 US sailors. Some ally. Some one in Israel should try using their brains. They worry that someday Iran will get the bomb and use it on Israel. Maybe Israel will get the Turks to preempt Iran. As a member of NATO they have forty B-61 bombs with a yield up to 170Kt. Incirlik to Tel Aviv 300 miles.
Just from a PR standpoint, the Israelis' selling this story line is stupid. I guess they like being hated.
Raimondo on June 24, 2004 quoted from Hersh so:
"Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operatives include members of the Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports."
Note the following:
(1) reports of Israeli nuclear-armed submarines (present from Germany) in the Persian Gulf
(2) Israeli high-profile piracy on Turkish ship
(3) Turks report an attack by Kurds at the same time, displaying an Israeli modus operandi
(4) Iranian forces pursue Kurdish rebels across border of Iraqi Kurdistan.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
(1) Turkish ship
(2) International waters
(3)Turkey a member of NATO
All the rest is ink in the water.
"“Today we a have a new proof that Israel does not need an excuse to attack. It attacked a ship belonging to a country with which it has diplomatic relations….Lebanon should support the people of Turkey and Palestine after this new massacre."
Walid Jumblatt
Just what marks do the Israelis take the Kurds for?
Turkish is now the second widest language spoken in Germany. Germans of ethnic Turkish background are reinvigoratng German literature, the arts, theater–the whole cultural life. Will the Israelis now try to encourage a resurgence of German NAZI's?
Lots of luck.
I can't agree with this. Turks replacing Germans in Germany is national suicide not "reinvigoration".
"Germans of Turkish ethnicity" are not "Turks". And "reinvigorate" is not "replace". In fact the Germans have always been a very mixed ethnically. Nietzsche, for example, only half humorously claimed to be Polish, mocking the Prussians, among the most mixed of the Germans.
Not of any consequence what a racist like yourself Pat Buchanan agrees with or not.
"or Pat Buchanan"
A brash and snotty new kid on the block, sponsored by British Imperialists, believing their own ersatz ancient history, with all the answers, playing the role of old hand to American naifs, in world in which sixty years is not even the blink of an eye.
"Sir," he cried, and all the jackals howled together; very remotely it seemed to resemble a melody. "Sir, we want you to end this quarrel that divides the world. You are exactly the man whom our ancestors foretold as born to do it. We want to be troubled no more by Arabs; room to breathe; a skyline cleansed of them; no more bleating of sheep knifed by an Arab; every beast to die a natural death; no interference till we have drained the carcass empty and picked its bones clean. Cleanliness, nothing but cleanliness is what we want"—and now they were all lamenting and sobbing—"how can you bear to live in such a world, O noble heart and kindly bowels? Filth is their white; filth is their black; their beards are a horror; the very sight of their eye sockets makes one want to spit; and when they lift an arm, the murk of hell yawns in the armpit. And so, sir, and so, dear sir, by means of your all-powerful hands slit their throats through with these scissors!" And in answer to a jerk of his head a jackal came trotting up with a small pair of sewing scissors, covered with ancient rust, dangling from an eyetooth.
"Well, here's the scissors at last, and high time to stop!" cried the Arab leader of our caravan who had crept upwind toward us and now cracked his great whip.
The jackals fled in haste, but at some little distance rallied in a close huddle, all the brutes so tightly packed and rigid that they looked as if penned in a small fold girt by flickering will-o'-the-wisps.
"So you've been treated to this entertainment too, sir," said the Arab, laughing as gaily as the reserve of his race permitted. "You know, then, what the brutes are after?" I asked. "Of course," said he, "it's common knowledge; so long as Arabs exist, that pair of scissors goes wandering through the desert and will wander with us to the end of our days. Every European is offered it for the great work; every European is just the man that Fate has chosen for them. They have the most lunatic hopes, these beasts; they're just fools, utter fools. That's why we like them; they are our
dogs; finer dogs than any of yours. Watch this, now…."
Franz Kafka[Tr.Muir&Muir]
Lying as the Israelis are doing in this is a sign of weakness. They are just a weak dictatorship with a lot of dupes who don't live there supporting them. Think, Stalin's Russia with American fellow travelers. Eventually. they will be isolated. But before that happens, they can cause a lot of war to break out.
I think the response should be to insist on a true assessment of their nuclear capabilities and to constantly refer to them as a rogue nuclear power.
Quite mistaken about Stalin, dear.
What you seem to be saying is that I missed in attributing shameless propaganda to Stalin, when the true source was the omelette chef, Kaganovich.
And about Lazar Kaganovich too.
You just have to realize that American schools use comic books to teach history these days. So, Americans can only think in the very shallow images of comic-book-like evil villians that they were taught about in school.
Stalin was no sweetheart. And, there actually are some parallels between his starvation tactics in the Ukraine and Israel's starvation tactics in Gaza. So, if you can only think in terms of the comic book evil supervillans that people were taught about in school, I can kinda see it. But otherwise, the analogy is rather weak.
So supercilious. The analogy was with the shameless propaganda, not with the body count Stalin achieved in building socialism. People who wanted to believe the best of the communist state, imagining that there lay all the answers for them, would defend it no matter the cognitive dissonance with actual news that came out of it. The propaganda machine produced its Potemkin villages, and they dutifully reported that all was well.
I consider Israel's attempt to defend itself from charges of disproportionate force rather lame. But there are those dupes who never fail to uphold whatever folly the Likudniks pursue. Unfortunately, when you cannot communicate any more with such a valuable ally as Turkey, and when you respond to it by killing people who are bringing humanitarian aid (and pretend they are arming Hamas), then you are far gone in paranoia — well, a la Stalin…
You are making like a mad dog, and in that neighborhood, it could get you hurt. But if you think that your nukes will protect you, you are even nuttier still.
Was the medal given just before or after the ones given to the USS LIBERTY ATTACKERS??? come on they killed 34 and wounded 174 AMERICANS don't they deserve a medal too??? NUKE ISRAEL & REMEMBER THE LIBERTY!!!
Seem to be seeing a pattern here.
Israelis murder Americans
Israelis celebrate in the streets
Israelis get medals for murdeing Americans.
I wonder if the USA pays for the medals the way we pay for all the other military hardware? Or does Israel actually spring for those on its own?
"NUKE ISRAEL"
Another peaceful sentiment expressed at "Antiwar.com"
Funny how this site attracts so many warmongers!
And so many trolls.
Pariah truly, I sympathize with your bewilderment at the unforgivable brutality of all these goyieche here. Don't they realize they're dealing with G*d's chosen ?
Mercenaries are usually easy to spot. Even in a crowd. They tend to be big muscular and very fit guys. Since they are usually ex-military, they frequently bear the scars of previous war wounds.
So, where's the bodies of these firece mercenaries that were on board? Should be easy to prove. After all, Israel did kill them, right. Its not like they were just shooting the aid workers and letting the merc's flee the ship and leave, right?
So, where are the bodies of these mercs?
All I've seen in the US is the skinny 19 year old kid that was shot four times in the head at close range. Since no merc outfit is going to hire a skinny 19 year old kid with no military experience, he obviously was not a mer. So, where are the mercs?
Not only that but these turcmercs must suck hard as they didn't even get a single kill.
The American military military physique, as seen in mercenaries, is developed to fit machines.
What you are talking about is physique with a lot of short term, brute strength and very little endurance over the long term.
The only question is have the sheeple in the United States sunk to the level of the Proles in Orwell's 1984 and actually believe this line of sh-t being peddled by the Israeli government. If the anwser to this question is "yes" then almost all hope is gone.
Turkey should declare war on Israel – Israel's attack on a Turkish flagged ship in international waters is cut and dried, no freaking questions asked – an Act Of War.
They should then, being a NATO member, assert Article 5 of the agreement: NATO would either have to help Turkey in it's defense against Israel or publicly admit it's utter worthlessness – which would go a long way to finally dismantling this hideous relic.
As well-equipped as Israel's forces may be (by the USA) Turkey would probably dismantle them fairly quickly – barring outside (US/UK) help.
This is a Golden Opportunity for both Turkey taking it's place as the Central Hub into Central Asian waters, it''s regional influence, and once and for all ending the idiotic illusion that they will ever become part of EU – who the fuck would want to at this point, anyway!?!
Take the shot man, you're in the driver's seat, Turkey!
"Turkey should declare war on Israel"
And they call this site "Antiwar.com"!
What a sick joke!
I think the Turkish government is to be congratulated for the restrained and level headed manner in which they have handled this matter. I am certainly glad cooler heads than yours are in charge of the Turkish government. I understand the Israeli government attacked a Turkish flagged ship in international water which is an act of war, however, the prospect of a war between Turkey and Israel, and all the death and destruction such a war would mean, is even more horrible than the criminal pirate attack of the Israeli government. Anyways, I thought this was fricking Antiwar.com! If you want to pimp war as a way to make the world a better place, you are no better than the Neocons.
For decades, I could never really understand why the Arabs hated Israel so much.
Now, with Israel murdering Americans …. I think I'm starting to get it.
Why not post this guy's photo all over the internet? Let everyone know exactly what he looks like. He's proud of shooting peace activists in the head?
whats the problem with the "civilian"casulty count,is it final yet,dithering in flesh again