The Daily Beast continues to release leaked excerpts from Secretary of State John Kerry’s confidential comments at last week’s meeting of the Trilateral Commission, today focusing on a claim Kerry is said to have made about Russian involvement in the Ukraine.
While Kerry has publicly, repeatedly presented Russian involvement in the eastern Ukraine protests as “undeniable,” at the commission he claimed to have secret proof to back up those claims, in the form of intercepted Russian phone calls of “operatives taking their orders from Moscow.”
Such evidence would be potentially persuasive, assuming it actually exists. A previous US government release of proof collapsed fairly quickly when it was revealed the photographs were falsely labeled and didn’t prove what they were claiming to prove.
This round of proof has to be taken with a further grain of salt, as not only has the proof not been released for scrutiny, Kerry hasn’t even publicly affirmed that he is claiming the proof actually exists.
Put up Kerry. Put your claims on a table for all the world to see OR sit your sorry ass down and shut the f@k up. Holy bejeepering hypocrisy, Kerry is become boring, tedious, disingenuous, and damn annoying.
Put up Kerry. Put your claims on a table for all the world to see OR sit your sorry ass down and shut the f@*k up. Holy bejeepering hypocrisy, Kerry is become boring, tedious, disingenuous, and damn annoying.
Everything coming out of Kerry and Washington is utter bullshit.
Kerry loves every war he doesn't have to personally fight in.
He's full of proof. Mostly 100-proof.
They have used every lies there is and lied so many times, they actually telling the truth about themselves.
Just think Kerry!
There is NON SECRET evidence that the United States paid for the INITIAL interference in Ukraine Politics!
This man (Kerry) is such a liar that nobody is going to believe a word he says.
Has he never heard of "THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF" ?
PUT UP OR SHUT UP KERRY.
Even if Kerry, put up, as you suggest, would you ever believe it.
Brought to you by the people who had proof Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, had WMD and Syria used CW rather than the rebels. The Best Proof Money Can Buy.
Where's the Ukranian version of Ahmed Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress? More heroes in error anyone?
Time for a new saying, how about "Never disbelieve anything until its been officially confirmed".
Seriously, this is getting too easy, you'd think they'd tell the truth occasionally just to keep us guessing, but they're not even that smart.
Oh, puhleeze ! Let us not be naive idiots ! Of course Russia's involved, Mr Kerry. Of course, Putin will do everything possible – by non-lethal means preferrably – to undermine the preposterous house of cards that the US. is trying to build on the territory of Russia's civilization cradle. Sure, the Eastern regions declaring themselves sovereign has Moscow's full support, sure FSB and and Russian military intelligence are involved and help to co-ordinate the home-grown revolt in the South and East. Putin is not an idiot to be outplayed by the likes of Kerry and Obama.
Oh, puhleeze ! Let us not be naive idiots ! Of course Russia's involved, Mr Kerry. Of course, Putin will do everything possible – by non-lethal means preferrably – to undermine the preposterous house of cards that the US. is trying to build on the territory of Russia's civilization cradle. Sure, the Eastern regions declaring themselves sovereign has Moscow's full support, sure Spetznaz commandos, FSB and and Russian military intelligence are involved and help to co-ordinate the home-grown revolt in the South and East. Putin is not an idiot to be outplayed by the likes of Kerry and Obama.
Oh, puhleeze ! Let us not be naive idiots ! Of course Russia's involved, Mr Kerry. Of course, Putin will do everything possible – by non-lethal means preferrably – to undermine the preposterous house of cards that the US. is trying to build on the territory of Russia's civilization cradle. Sure, the Eastern regions declaring themselves sovereign has Moscow's full support, sure Spetznaz commandos, FSB and and Russian military intelligence are involved and help co-ordinate the home-grown revolt in the South and East. Putin is not an idiot to be outplayed by the likes of Kerry and Obama.
I think that you are wrong about Spetznaz commandos and suchlike, to have them present in large enough numbers to make a difference would make it all but certain that they would be outed. The political fallout would be disastrous. Liaison people and advisors are another matter.
Nonesense ! It is clear to any competent analyst that some of the armed men appear too well-equipped and going about their business in a way too-professional way to be just your backyard buddies. Get reasonable ! These guys are not there to cause mayhem – they are there to to ensure a viable military structure to the pro-Russian opposition, i.e. 1) to prevent any hot-headed forays by the rag-tag pro-Russian militia, and 2) deter the Ukrainians from attacking the enclaves. There is no political danger for Putin to use these guys: he can deny they exist just as the West denies the existence of Western-trained mercenaries and the CIA involvement in the coup. Despite the yap-yap window dressing for the media, everyone knows the Russians are there. Everyone (who matters) has more or less clued on that the place "ungovernable" until Ukraine accedes to autonomy for the regions – at minimum the status quo ante. That's what Putin is pushing for. He does not want to swallow the East, like he did Crimea. He just wants them to be his permanent political bridgehead to Ukraine. Smart guy !
Nonsense ! It is clear to any competent analyst that some of the armed men appear too well-equipped and going about their business in a too-professional way to be just your backyard buddies. Get reasonable ! These guys are not there to cause mayhem – they are there to to ensure a viable military structure to the pro-Russian opposition, i.e. 1) to prevent any hot-headed forays by the rag-tag pro-Russian militia, and 2) deter the Ukrainians from attacking the enclaves. There is no political danger for Putin to use these guys: he can deny they exist just as the West denies the existence of Western-trained mercenaries and the CIA involvement in the coup. Despite the yap-yap window dressing for the media, everyone knows the Russians are there. Everyone (who matters) has more or less clued on that the place "ungovernable" until Ukraine accedes to autonomy for the regions – at minimum the status quo ante. That's what Putin is pushing for. He does not want to swallow the East, like he did Crimea. He just wants them to be his permanent political bridgehead to Ukraine. Smart guy !
Nonsense yourself ! You think that they don't have ex-servicemen of any rank you care to mention, defectors from the military (just where are most of the regular military?) units of the Berkut that didn't go to Crimea (and they have recent experience of the exact same scenario) Plus I specifically didn't rule out advisors. As for "It is clear to any competent analyst….." unless you have seen more than just the same TV footage as everyone else, that phrase is just pretentious polly parrot.
Imagine the embarrassment that it would cause the Russian government (and western sympathisers) if western mercs managed to snatch some 'green men' and they turned out to be a unit of spetznaz that they could parade ad-neauseum on western TV (complete with choruses of I-told-you-so from all the biggest a$$holes on the planet)
Aside from the specific matter of front-line-combatant boots on the ground, I agree with you entirely, if it wasn't for the unnecessarily belligerent tone of your comeback, I wouldn't have bothered to respond at all. For now I suggest that we agree to disagree on that one specific point.
Is that "secret," information anything close to the Nigerian yellow cake purchases? The mobile death labs and that container Colin Powell held in his hand as he lied through his teeth on the world stage? What's next? A Ukranian version of "Heroes in Error"?
The Neo-Con's, the D.C. elites and the contractors that materially benefit are practically foaming at the mouth for a real, honest to goodnesss shooting war with Russia, they are slowly but surely pulling out all the stops to get there.
This insanity has got to stop!
I’m sure they have proof, but at this point in history, America, (My Country) has fucked up enough proving it that they better publish it first. Putin is a thug. He’s shut down dissenting media at home, flooded the Crimea with Russian troops (by his own admission) and undoubtedly has thousands of operatives in eastern Ukraine causing all sorts of bullshit. What baffles me is the number of thugs that took over the Kiev government and we immediately supported their movement to kick out the existing president AFTER an agreement was reached. There better not be ONE American soldier put on that country’s soil. It’s a real FUBAR mess over there. Lastly I’m sure there’s many pro western, liberal people who want positive change and see their GDP increase like the Poles have the last decade and didn’t want to be part if the Russian axis anymore, understandable for sure, but the Russians did give them natural gas at a huge discounted rate and they have an honest grevience about that. At the end of the day Russia is probably going to get the eastern Ukraine. The West might want to cut a deal, let them have it, and have the understanding the rest of Ukraine can join NATO.
Re: "I'm sure they have proof"
Let me get this straight, they have been desperately bombarding the media with all manner of unsupported accusations and outright fabrication, but now they have some real evidence they are keeping it to themselves. Really?
Most of the anti-Putin stuff is B/S by the way, though much of what you say is true.
From Amnesty International April 8th… after closing down another outfit.
ussian court forces closure of prominent human rights NGO
Today’s decision by the St Petersburg City Court to deny the appeal of a prominent Russian non-governmental organization (NGO) against a previous court order to register as a “foreign agent” is a legal assault on the whole of civil society in Russia, Amnesty International said.
"Anti-Discrimination Centre Memorial, an important human rights NGO working on behalf of victims of racism and xenophobia in Russia, decided to close down its activities in Russia rather than wear the label of a “foreign agent” or risk the criminal prosecution of its leader for failing to register. The court had two options, and its choice was not in favour of justice and human rights. Its disheartening decision is in line with the prevailing tendency promoted by the Russian government to stamp its authority on any civil society activity. It sets a dangerous precedent which could be used against other NGOs,” said Sergei Nikitin, Director of Amnesty International’s Moscow office."
MarkU this is just one outfit your "Most of the anti-Putin stuff is B/S" comment is wrong. He'd close down this site if it was based in Moscow most likely. Do I support The U.S. being behind the new Kiev government after how it overthrew the elected Yanukovych? No. But why not call a spade a spade, Putin is nothing more than a dictator himself.
Let them Join NATO . I hate NATO . NATO is a aggressive force of old Nazi countries that is attacking independandt countries forcing them to spend 2% of their GDP on weapons of war .NATOs 1st attack was Yugoslavia . Yugoslavia was 1st demonized with a bunch of lies , then attacked If NATO was right in the 90s Hitler was also right in the 40s . Russia and, China did not think the Nazis were right in the 40s and they don't think NATO is right now .,
Kerry, and people like him are a reprehensible lot, with no shame.
We heard the same crap from this guy last year when he wanted to
launch an illegal war on Syria. What's his (secret) proof this time?
Can't be those bogus photos from the New York Times, another
(despicable) entity.
The Obozo administration better think twice about a military
confrontation with Russia. Unlike Yemen and other patsies the
USG have beat on recently, Russia has the ability to punch back.
There seems little doubt that the armed mercenaries are being directed from Russia. The big question is by whom: the government or some oligarch/warlord? And if the latter, for whom is the warlord working?
The old "secret proof" that can't be divulged for reasons of "national security" trick. That one's getting a little worn out from overuse, and exposure of USG lies and fabrication of evidence, but Kerry is shameless enough to try it again anyway. He's quite used to looking like an idiot.
The old "secret proof" that can't be divulged for reasons of "national security" trick. That one's getting a little worn out from overuse, and exposure of USG lies and fabrication of evidence, but Kerry is shameless enough to try it again anyway. He's quite used to looking like an idiot.
The old "secret proof" that can't be divulged for reasons of "national security" trick. That one's getting a little worn out from overuse, and exposure of USG lies and fabrication of evidence, but Kerry is shameless enough to try it again anyway. He's quite used to looking like an idiot.
The world has documented proof that Kerry is a front runner for the biggest douche/liar/hypocrite in the universe award, and the proof is NOT secret.
Why shouldn't Russia be involved in Russian territories handed to Ukraine a few years ago? It's a response to US aggression. If the US didn't want Russia to react, then the US shouldn't have done a coup in Kiev.
More likely that the US DID want Russia to react.
'In “Private,” Kerry Claims Secret Proof of Russian Involvement in Ukraine'
He whips out his pecker and shows that he his circumcised, which is all the proof anyone needs.
Russia and China wanted to save Yugoslavia too ,but they could not . I think they will be able to save Ukraine from NATO . To Russia and China they can't see any difference in NAZIs or NATO . The only difference I see is NATO is even bigger liars and has more firepower