Israel has clearly been quite comfortable with the idea of the US attacking Syria, but new revelations suggest that behind the scenes they have actually been the driving force on selling the Obama Administration on the narrative behind it.
The US has conspicuously insisted that the rebels’ story is “undeniable” even though they have never presented any proof of it, but the secret “proof” which is never put forth for public scrutiny apparently comes straight from Israeli intelligence.
According to the reports, Israeli military intelligence told the US they had wiretapped the Syrian government and heard them talking about using chemical weapons, insisting that “proved” that they were the ones who did it.
Israel has been pushing these stories multiple times, always citing dubious secret evidence that the public never gets to see. The administration, itself a big fan of secret proof that they don’t have to defend, has been only too eager to latch on to the idea, and it has now pushed them into an impending war.
Anyone who thinks that the U.S. actually has its own middle east policy is living in a fool's paradise.
Secret proof is no proof at all! Secret proof is like doublespeak and is part of the vernacular of the insane.
First I heard of this.
Too bad for Obama. There is NO trust.
If he can't prove it, then its not true. If he can't show his proof, then it's not true.
Nothing is easier to fake than a conversation over radio: No IP-adresses to fake, no phone-numbers to fake, no nothing.
Just put two actors before a pair of Walkie-Talkies, record the talk with a third one, and you’re done.
Hell, my own cat could do that, if I taught her to press the button whenever she meows…
We don't know everything Obama knows, but it looked like there was some kind of chemical attack, who did it we don't know, but one is pretty certain, which is ww3 is an accident waiting to happen and this could easily set off a chain of events rapidly that get nukes flying all over the place and it won't be healthy for anyone living on the planet earth.
Same old Israeli Lies. The Israelis were the ones that said Saddam had purchased that
dangerous YELLOW CAKE from Niger. After all it was the most sophisticated intelligence
because it came from the those paranoid psychopaths, AGAIN. Therefore, that stupid,
protracted war in Iraq. Obama is a "spit-licker" if ther ever was one.
Any who believe that intelligence obtained from Israel is credible and not self-serving also believe in the tooth fairy. This has all the credibility of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD's) or that Afghanistan was attacked due their role in 9/11. Neither of which has even the remotest hint of credibility. It seems that the U.S. is constantly at odds with the will of the American people and a world that lives in fear of their imperialism.
So? What about the Russian claim that the Syrian opposition announced the gas attacks on the internet before they happened?
Shin Bet's fairy story is far more credible.
Just like the Syrian government is far easier to bomb.
The fact that the US is so gullible as to believe reports from Israeli intelligence is amazing. You can be sure that the American taxpayer will foot the bill for the expansion of Israel from the "Nile to the Euphrates" is a sure thing. And while we go bankrupt, the party goes on in Tel Aviv.
Actually, the US taxpayer is also ensuring their (Israeli) safety while we die for them. In March 2013, Business Inside revealed that the United States is spending hundreds of millions of dollars building bunkers in Israel due to be completed 900 days from February 13, 2013. The project called Site 911 “will have five levels buried underground and six additional outbuildings on the above grounds, within the perimeter. At about 127,000 square feet, the first three floors will house classrooms, an auditorium, and a laboratory — all wedged behind shock resistant doors — with radiation protection and massive security. Only one gate will allow workers entrance and exit during the project and that will be guarded by only Israelis”.
Each door of the facility will have a detailed description of the mezuzahs written in “in-erasable ink”.
We must build there shelters before they send us all to hell.
I find it amusing how antiwar.com filters out any comment that is written in proper English and is negative towards Israel. Has this site become just another Israeli plant in the US press system? You should know that a large number of intellectual Americans find serious fault with AIPAC and Israeli manipulation of US foreign policy.
And I find it amusing that you can keep a straight face while claiming that "antiwar.com filters out any comment that is written in proper English and is negative towards Israel." Usually when someone tells a whopper, they at least bother to do it on a page that isn't chock full of evidence that the whopper is a whopper.
While JDonald may be wrong on the "proper English" part, there's no doubt that Antiwar censors specific comments about Israel-and/or references to Jewish influence over U.S foreign policy.
And that's no "whopper". BTW apart from it being a rather childish term, "whopper" is not how I(or many others, I would think) would describe JDonalds claims. Inaccurate maybe, but pretty darn far from a "whopper". For a "whopper" I'm thinking more along the lines of POTUS's claims about chemical weapons and Syria.
A grammatically and structurally problematic claim on a public message board? Not so much; no…
You having no doubt about X and X being true are very different things.
You're welcome to your lack of doubt. You are free to be completely wrong all you want.
In fact, Antiwar.com does not "censor" at all. We are not a government. We have no power whatsoever to stop you from saying anything you feel like saying.
If, however, what you want to say is 'it's da joooz. DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ! Them damn JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ!" … well, feel free to say it somewhere else. We don't owe you a microphone.
you censor like hell!
Israel has a lot of pain coming to them.
Of course, if they are bombed to pieces and many of its citizens and soldiers are killed, they will have had it coming, though all we will hear of is the endless suffering of the poor Israelis, innocent victims who never did anyone wrong as their lives are more important than anyone else's. The poor waifs all with compulsory terms in the military so they know how to adequately kill Arabs and Palestinians, whose lives obviously mean nothing. The difference between the loss of Israeli lives and anyone else is never stated outright but its so obviously implied as to be laughable. Heck, their lives might even be more important than mine, or yours, or any other American's…just listen to the coverage.
I can hear the US propaganda now, mourning the eight or ten dead Israeli soldier / civilians killed as though they are the world's most irreplaceable treasures, as though people a bit more than mere mortals were cruelly robbed of their exceptionally rich lives, the poor racist supremacist tribal members to whom we must all bow.
They need to be put in their place already. I do not advocate war but come on: This is WAY overdue.
Israel will now use small bunker buster bombs (give by the US) on southern Lebanon and occupy up to the Latani river. Israel will then have their military bases morph into Israeli settlements, since all the original Lebanese towns will be destroyed, their inhabitants dead or forced out. Israel has learned from its experience in Palestine to get rid of any original people. (See former terrorist and Israeli PM M. Begin's 1950's autobiography "The Revolt")
It didn't occur to me until about age 17 that it wasn't really the peaceniks who were obliged to 'prove' something. Now I understand that you could do a never ending skit on the situation.
The GWoT-Sucker At The Pearly Gates
Receptionist: […] Did you hear that?
GWoT-Sucker: Yes.
Receptionist: Did you imagine it 'proven?'
GWoT-Sucker: Yes.
Receptionist: Did you prove it?
GWoT-Sucker: No.
Receptionist: And did you buy a war?
GWoT-Sucker: Yes.
Receptionist: And did you repent?
GWoT-Sucker: What?
Trap door opens, GWoT-Sucker falls through it. Flames are seen, screams are heard.
Receptionist: (stands, looks down into opening) SAY "WHAT" AGAIN!
Trap door closes as screams fade and flames are interrupted.
Repeat.
It could be set in a future Nuremberg with little variation. An occasional variation might be when the particular GWoT-Sucker needs to be reminded: "It's a yes or no question." Cast a JAG and there might be some worthwhile improvisation.
a quiet israely is an oxymoron
It's always got to be something to get the news off the Israeli-Palestinian talks, so the settlement construction (e.g., ethnic cleansing and apartheid) can continue.
Netanyahu's potato head hides a web of frayed, and vulcanized neurons.
Obama is indicating that he will give Israel exactly what Israel wants: an attack on Syria's military capabilities. The feigned outrage over an alleged chemical attack is just an excuse to carry that out. Israel wants a weak Syria engaged in a protracted civil war.