Israeli Envoy Slams 1967 Border Proposal: Says No One But Israel Can Set Israel’s Borders
Lauds 'Courageous' Netanyahu, Rules Out 'Peace at Any Price'
In what appears to be the first official response to last week’s Palestinian calls for a peace deal along the 1967 borders, Israeli Ambassador to the US Michael Oren slammed the notion, insisting Israel would never allow anyone else to “dictate out borders” and that the borders could only be determined by Israeli officials as a result of negotiations.
Israel invaded and occupied broad swathes of territory during the 1967 war. Since then the Israeli government has heavily subsidized efforts to move roughly half a million Israelis into those regions to establish a permanent claim over them.
But the 1967 border had repeatedly been denounced by Israeli officials, who insist that there are both religious and security reasons for a permanent occupation of parts of the region. Instead they appear reluctant to hand over anything but a nominal portion of the occupied territories as a marginally independent Palestinian state.
Oren praised Netanyahu’s stance on the matter as “courageous” and insisted that Israel would not accept “peace at any price.” The most recent peace talks ended in September, when Israel allowed its freeze on settlement expansion to expire.
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Bill
October 19th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
As if proof were needed, Israel's rejection of a return to 1967 borders and having peace with the Palestinians shows that the Israeli's are bargaining in bad faith. It is plain to see that Israel intends to steal the entire west bank and eventually pressure or force all the non Israeli residents to emigrate. Israel doesn't give a damn where they go, just that they vacate.
Guest
October 19th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Isn't that the UN border?
Why is Israel still in the UN?
Jeff Davis
October 19th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
The American born Oren is a Zionist and Israeli Firster. What do you expect?
He renounced his US citizenship for the Ambassadorship while spouted crocodile tears, was an ardent USS Liberty apologist. He a dog and pony "israel First' party man.
The only thing he hasn't done is said that Pals eat Jewish babies. That's probably just a matter of time. His "self importance" is media manufactured, IMO, his values malleable. He's irrelevant.
Ariely
October 20th, 2010 at 12:05 am
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B: Solutions example
1:The split of Czechoslovakia into the Czech and Slovakia countries.
2:In the Swiss famous peaceful coexistence between German, France groups a canton has been spleet into: Jura-France and Bern-German.
3: Turkey and Greece don’t fight for the last 90 years following the population exchange between these two countries. Approximately 1.5 million Greeks from Turkey and about half a million Muslims from Greece were uprooted from their homelands.
4:Turkey force partition of Cyprus into a Christian and Muslim control areas is a problem or the solution? Following the partition on the ground no casualties
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C: LEASSONS THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUTITY SHOULD IMPLEMENT WHILE SOLVING THE ISREAL – ARBS CONFLICT!
1: Minimize the creation of conflict continuation while defining boarders.
2: Muslims governed by Arabs.
Jews and others governed by Israel.
3:Israel will hand over to Palestinian government land inhabited by Arabs from Israel and the Jews from settlements will be governed by Israel.
Both the Arabs and Jew will remain in their current homes nobody will have to move physically
Ariely
October 20th, 2010 at 12:06 am
2:European should learn from their colonial period and ongoing conflicts in Europe.
Hopefully the Americans will not be trapped to repeat the same mistakes.
*PEOPLE DESIRE TO BE GOVERNED BY THEIR OWN.
*ARTIFICAL OR IMPOSED BOARDERS ARE NOT PERMANET SOLLUTIONS.
*THEY ARE THE SEEDS OF ONGOING CONFLICTS.
A: Example of unsolved conflicts
1:Vive le Quibec Frances? – Solved?
2:Belgian Valones and Flames separation desired- solved?
3:Scottish independence from UK desire- solved?
4:All Balkans wars and conflicts- solved?
5:Wars in Caucuses -solved?
6:Tibetan independencies desire- solved?
7:Burma minorities war for independence solved?
8:African many wars as result of European policy of slip or unite tribes in artificial states -solved?
9:Kurds desire for independence in Turkey and Iraq –solved?
10: Kashmir ?
11: Chasing of Christians and all non Muslims people in Muslim countries?
12; The civil wars Lebanon artificially created by France.-solved?
Ariely
October 20th, 2010 at 12:07 am
Lessons and implementation.
1:The core issue starting day one and up today is:
Arab refusal to recognize the right of the Jews to a Jewish country in the Jewish 3500 years old nation and culture homeland.
Pointing the settlements as the peace obstacle is an Arab tactical lie and diversion tool.
richard vajs
October 20th, 2010 at 3:30 am
Breathtakingly brazen.
michaelhanthala
October 20th, 2010 at 4:34 am
In 1948 1/3 of Palestine declared themselves a nation without the imput of the 2/3 people who just happened to own 2/3 of the land. These people called their naiton israel and it was illegal but they have gotten away with it. Matter of fact since that date, they take more and more without recourse to the people who live there. This is exactly like playing a poker game with someone who never excepts the results when you win,only when he wins does he call it a good game and he'll abide by the results. Of course this is ludicrous and unfair. What should have happened in 48 and should happen tomorrow is for everyone,including refugees to come back and from the south of Lebanon to the Negev, from water to water. Every person 18 and over be allowed to vote for ONE Nation, that is democratic, secular and within borders that are utterly based on egalitarianism….
Klutz
October 20th, 2010 at 5:22 am
There is already a Palestinian state–Jordan. The Jordianians (Palestinians) lost the '67 war and therefore lost some land.
michaelhanthala
October 20th, 2010 at 5:40 am
coming from an israeli plant, your comment stinks of bias, bs and just plain lies. The core issue is that zionists declared themselves in a naiton without consent of the majority of the population and have been stealing it dunam by dunam ever since. Why does israel build in the west bank? Why cant it build in the sparse land between tel aviv and Jerusalem? Because it is stealing…Palestinians have been there just as long and longer…by your own disporai admission you left for 2000 years…be a good citizen in the land you are born in,not come to a land you have not and steal from folks who've been there for millinium…
tomofsnj
October 20th, 2010 at 5:52 am
No one but Israel can set the borders. Well the please do. What other nation plays games like refusing to state what are their borders? The real reason why they do not is they have no intention of ever accepting a border. They will continue to expand into others lands as long as they receive funding around the world to support a huge military organization. What really is needed is to cut off all aid from our congress. The only way that will happen is to put a mark all all the Israel first in office and make sure they get fired.
tomofsnj
October 20th, 2010 at 5:58 am
What is interesting is Israel has basically stated that great harm will happen to the Palestinians if they do exactly the same thing which is declare that they exist. The difference is the zionist used WII to gather weapons intended to fight the nazi to arm their declaration. Guns make the rules and Israel thanks to our congress is an over armed thug of a nation.
Fed Up
October 20th, 2010 at 6:17 am
NO PEACE – NO FOREIGN AID $ SIMPLE!
Fed Up
October 20th, 2010 at 6:19 am
The Aquifer is UNDER PALESTINIAN LAND!!!!!
tomofsnj
October 20th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Does Israel not refuse to recoginze the nation of Palestine? What is the difference between the two positions? It is the stand cry of pain that they do not recognize Israel just like the other lie that the zionist came to an empty land without people and the arabs moved in after the zionist arrived.
jconsley
October 20th, 2010 at 7:37 am
The funding for arms, missiles, fighter planes, phopherous bombs, etc. comes solely from United States tax payers, not from the world. Israel asks the US Congress and the representatives of the people of the United States ask "how much"? If the media would tell the people the truth about Israeli funding from U.S. tax payers There would be change in this country no doubt. If any representative backs apartheid, a country that refuses to accept borders, a country that practices ethnic cleansing, he or she should be removed from office. These are not the principles that the U.S. should represent.
bwl
October 20th, 2010 at 11:18 am
A moral US would order Israel to return at least to the 1967 borders if not the borders that were established by the UN when the state was created. All US aid would be cut off pending Israel's compliance with international law. Israel's only claim to the areas where they now are is that they believe that it is theirs because they lived there after driving out the original inhabitants in times gone by. Simply put you don't make foreign policy based on a book of fairy tales regardless of how many your fundamentalist lunatic citizens choose to believe this nonsense.
bwl
Peter
October 20th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Your myth of "a land without people for a people without land" was debunked ages ago. It is not credible in any discourse. Even Lord Balfour knew there was people living on the land.
EmeraldDruid
October 20th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
I see all kinds of positive things on the horizon as a direct result of ItzALie's intentional efforts to scuttle any form of peace. I am NOT going to post them here and spoil the surprise but let me give you a hint, Israel isn't making ANY friends right now including many inside the federal US government.
After the midterm elections AIPAC won't have a lock on the Senate any more OR be very close to losing it.
The Tea Party kicks the door wide open to many positive changes relative AIPAC and the multinational corporations.
Now it's incumbent upon all of us to make certain that the Tea Party isn't co-opted by AIPAC and other special interests !
radkelt
October 20th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Given their UN record of ignoring GA & SC resolutions, continuing violations of international
law and human rights abuses, I also don't understand why they are not excluded from the
UN and subjected to a world wide boycott. US support cannot fully explain this.
Rick
October 20th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Where in the United States Constitution does it permit congress to tax the American citizens in order to give their money to foreign governments? ANY foreign government, Israel or otherwise?! This question, (with the sole exception of Ron Paul, of course) is never asked.
Jacqualine Seepersaud
October 26th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Nice. Thanks for writing this. Its always great to see someone educate the public.