The Ukrainian government is considering options to end the war with Russia that would involve ceding territory, Der Spiegel reported on Sunday, citing a Ukrainian official.
The report said it was the first time since Russia’s invasion in February 2022 that the Ukrainian leadership has considered a deal that wouldn’t involve it getting back all of the territory Russian forces have captured since February 2022.
Under a peace deal that was on the table in March and April 2022, Russia would have withdrawn its forces back to pre-invasion lines. But that deal was discouraged by the US and other NATO countries, who urged the Ukrainians to fight.
Over the past two years, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been pushing a “peace formula” that calls for a full Russian withdrawal from Ukraine before peace talks can even happen, which is a non-starter for negotiations with Moscow.
“We believed that victory had to mean the unconditional surrender of Putin’s Russia,” the Ukrainian source told Der Spiegel. The official acknowledged that was not a realistic view, saying, “A deal must also be beneficial for Russia.”
The report comes as Russian forces continue to make gains in eastern Ukraine, which have become more rapid in recent months. Ukrainian forces still hold a small chunk of Russia’s Kursk Oblast, but Russian troops are slowly pushing them back.
The Ukrainian official said that Kyiv believes the US will slowly wind down its support for Ukraine whether Vice President Kamala Harris or former President Donald Trump wins the presidential election in November. Trump is running on ending the war while Harris is vowing to continue supporting Kyiv.
“Whether it’s Trump or Harris, the Americans will slowly but surely withdraw,” the official said. “The prognosis is poor.”
I feel sorry for ALL the parents who lost a kid to appease the egos of Putin and King Zelensky. Putin should have negotiated more publicly with West and laid his concerns out in Western newspapers and even taken them to UN, while rapidly building up his forces to ensure if he did strike it would be a quick victory. Instead Putin launched an incompetent invasion and West smelt blood, and demanded to keep up the fight, so long as no Western casualties.
Putin should have negotiated more publicly with West and laid his concerns out in Western newspapers and even taken them to UN
The West refused negotiations. "Out of hand" I believe is what Blinken said. And exactly how would Putin have laid out his concerns in our MSM controlled media? The UN? That's funny.
It's not a question of Ukraine "considering ceding territory" at this point. Russia has already taken Crimea and the parts of Eastern Ukraine that it wanted and is now threatening to take more Ukrainian land.
They haven’t taken Kherson and Zaporzhzhia. If they didn’t want those oblasts, why did they claim to have annexed them? Pretending they’re “part of Russia” makes it a lot more embarrassing to have to give them up.
Russian historical claims going back a hundred or two hundred years is silly, but Israel's claims to "the river to the sea" going back a couple thousand years is idiotic. How convenient though, that they claim "God gave us this land."
Zelenskiy will have to leave first or else the Azov Group will kill him for making ANY concessions to the Russians. Zelenskiy's legitimate term ended last April and all his power is contingent on him declaring martial law. I doubt Putin will negotiate with him or any other Western stooge. I don't think the Ukraine government is going to willingly cede sovereignty over Odessa, Mykolaiv, Dneipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, as well as the previously annexed Crimea. But, they could have had peace early on. Russia offered to leave all the encroached territory a month after hostilities began but Boris Johnson stopped the agreement. Now, after two years of fighting, economic boycotts, and who knows what clandestined attacks, Russia won't be easily satisfied after just doing what it felt it was compelled to do.
why tf would we cede cities the rus dont own hahaaha
and the rus werent compelled to do anything
Force of arms usually works. The Ukraine has no army left.
our army has a million men and we are currently massively expanding our MIC to fulfill our needs. Next year, Zelenskyy says we will make 1.5 million drones and we are working on our own ballistic missile. Sure, I think Zelenskyy should get replaced by Zalužnyy, but I trust zelenskyy. The Russian army has been walking into death for the past 3 and a half years embarrasing themselves at every tyrn
really sad to see what the anti war community has come to, just surrender to the enemy. Would you say this to Palestine, that THEY have no army left, because they certainly have less army than our country!
And you have 50 foot tall robots and a fleet of starships and hundreds, nay, thousands of wizards (AND sorcerers) and an entire LEGION of Emperor Palpatine's best troops on the Forest Moon.
Your faith in your former country hovers somewhere between "delusional" and "embarrassingly wishful".
Start by admitting your peeps lost; then save the ones who are left.
Maybe the antiwar community understands that Ukraine can't win a war of attrition against a country 5 times its size. Or that from the very beginning the antiwar community has been aware that the only US' goal in this proxy war was for the purpose of weakening Russia. And that they would not get in a direct shooting war with Russia meaning there was no way Ukraine could defeat Russia on the battleground. And it seems the antiwar community is more concerned about your citizens and infrastructure than you are especially if you are foolish enough to "trust" Zelensky.
It doesn't matter whether it was a proxy war or it matters that we, a sovereign, free, independent nation, asserting our freedom to do what we liked, was attacked by Russia
And it doesn't matter about the war of attrition. If you don't support me because of that, then spoiler alert: PALESTINE WILL LOSE. I support palestine, but they are LOST. Israel will defeat them and have their thousand hour reich. Good, got the truth out of the way. Do you support Palestine any less? Of course not. And neither do i. Shameful, absolutely shameful.
It matters if you don't want your fellow Ukrainians to keep dying and your land to be completely destroyed. You talk as though anyone who looks at this situation realistically means that they must support Russia. I want Russia to leave all of Ukraine. So what? Does that mean they are going to leave? NO! Russia isn't going to back off without US/NATO direct intervention and that certainly won't improve Ukraine's situation. The deal in March of 2022 is looking sweeter by the minute. And stop with the Palestine comparisons. Ukraine could be whole right now. At least as whole as they were ever going to be.
Ok I didn’t know you wanted them to leave
But some of the more “avid” “anti-war” statements still concern me for the movement I consider myself to be a part of
You're forgetting (no; more like "setting aside") that Bob Vila here stands to benefit personally and financially from lots of (Someone Else)'s dying to free "his" country.
So that eventually, when Ukraine is depopulated of employment and housing competition (and the neo-Nazis mysteriously decide that their assistance to the Kievvian gov't was a gift, not a loan) Bob Vila can stroll back in with his university degree off his university deferrment and enjoy a Golden Age of Ukrainian economic boom as if tailor-made for him & by him.
I mean, him & the veterans left of the 10 million magic super-soldier cyborgs he seems to think Ukraine has in reserve and is about to deploy "any minute now" to force the Russians back to the Bering Strait.
The only US goal in this proxy war was to shovel lots of money into the gaping maw of the military-industrial complex.
Presumably “weakening Russia” wasn’t the Russian goal either, but they seem to be accomplishing it anyway.
The only US goal in this proxy war was to shovel lots of money into the gaping maw of the military-industrial complex.
Yeah, you can shut down just about any argument with that statement. But there are always secondary reasons (besides the obvious one) and the words of those in power told me one of them was the weakening of Russia. And since there was pretty much a consensus on that issue, I'll still say it was a significant reason for pushing for its continuation.
I follow several map plotters on YouTube and Russia is steadily gaining territory. You, nor anyone else knows the size of either army or the causuaties because they are closely held secrets. I am not the enemy of Ukraine but I can see the war is going terribly for the Ukrainian people. Soon the Ukraine will be owned half by Russia and the other half by Blackrock Vulture Capitalists. Ukraine should never been suckered into a NATO-sponsored proxy war. The population differences will determine the winner in a war of attrition.
Steadily. Yes, steadily. You can be steadily gaining land like the allies during the end of ww2 or you can be “steadily” bloodily capturing town after town or open farmland
At this rate of conquest, it will take around 40 years and 36 million casulties to fully conquer my country
And if it took that many more casulties and years, then they’d have to start recruiting Moscow and St. Petersburg Tech bros, which would end quite poorly
If you cared about winning, you would draft men younger than pensioners.
The only people who can decide to accept the Russian "peace" offer, are the Ukrainians.
Any "antiwar" type who desires for a country to capitulate after being brutally invaded, is a coward. Bravery is required to fight an invader and the invaded — although maybe still alive — usually live under appalling conditions and would be treated by the animalistic Russians as flocks to be culled.
Any "antiwar" type who desires for a country to capitulate after being brutally invaded, is a coward. Bravery is required to fight an invader and the invaded — although maybe still alive — usually live under appalling conditions and would be treated by the animalistic Russians as flocks to be culled.
Maybe some of them think that fighting a war that they can't possibly win without massive outside help is stupidity. And knowing that the US, that massive outside help I was speaking of, will desert Ukraine in a heartbeat might be swaying some of their thinking. But you want them to continue on and you even throw in the scare tactic about the "animalistic" Russians. Cute, and so MSM of you.
Yeah, that "animalistic" s**t speaks volumes.
Hey Wars!
The US isn't abandoning Ukraine. We will assist them in depleting the Russian military to the point of zero threat.
Slava Ukraini!
So you were against the US and for Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria when we bombed and invaded them. Good to know that you were for the hundreds of thousands of dead in those nations as a result of being "brutally invaded" bombed, embargoed, sanctioned, and destroyed.
Each of those instances are unique; i supported some and was against (and protested) others. As usual, your immaturely developed mind does not allow you to see differences and complexities.
Oh OK – when we do it it's unique and OK. Got it!
You reinforce my point. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The land the Russians intend to occupy are filled with mostly Russians and a few Ukrainians. Russia will not mistreat the Russians in the ‘soon to be lost to Ukraine Oblasts’ but the Ukrainians there may want to move to Rump Ukraine. Ukraine was invaded because it got suckered into fighting a proxy war by NATO and the West. Russia was never going to allow tactical weapons on the Ukraine/Russia border but your President, Zelenskiy, is horribly corrupt, as is the entire government of Ukraine, and he sold you out to the West. Where has that got you? The US is done sending much of anything into the bottomless pit that is the AFU. Blame Zelenskiy, who will soon be in his huge mansion in Miami USA. Were you not aware that the American CIA and State Department overthrew your democratically government in 2014 and built up your military so they could foment war on Russia?
Russian propaganda won’t cut it with me.
Obviously, and neither will facts.
You haven’t offered up any real facts.
Anything Irrational Noggin disagrees with is Russian propaganda to him. He probably knows the truth and gets near the water, but retreats and claims he isn't thirsty.
You know, you sound like a Cowboys fan. THAT team is doing almost as well as the Russians! Hahaha.
I never thought I’d find myself standing up for Cowboys fans, but here we are: At least most of them have a basic grasp of the rules of football and, somewhere deep down inside, an understanding of their preferred team’s prospects. You insult them by comparing that last comment to them.
Touché.
You're not an enemy of Ukraine, except in that you're a Realist. And those of us grounded in Reality are generally disliked by the Ukraine's "117th Online Wishful Thinking Regiment".
How did the US ever survive when UKraine was part of the now defunct Soviet Union?
Are you sure Russia's army is still viable?
They may still have meat but they don't seem to have a lot of equipment left…
Being delusional will not save the Ukraine from losing 7 more Oblasts forever nor being bought up by American Vulture Capitalists like Blackrock.
Keep talking s**t. Russia is getting its a** kicked and you know it.
Keep drinking the ‘cope’. It’s working for you. p.s. If you are getting your udates from Denys Davidov, LoL.
And you’re getting your updates from the Russian MOD I suspect?
The seem Russians seem to being kicked in a WESTERN direction.
Some kind of secret plan I guess.
1200 Russians for several fields. Yeah, real progress. Hahaha.
there should be referendums on all of the occupied territories. Each territory under referendum will be overseen by UN and NATO troops with no Ukrainian or Russian troops present
The referendum district borders could look like this:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7f29988c85fbccc2128452d24bbfda9c688f8f6611bc913e410228a24fefb762.png A tiny bit of southern crimea will automatically go to Russia.
Any problems?
If the whole of Ukraine were to vote on joining Russia, at this point there'd not be much Ukraine left. Be thankful for any referendums to be limited only to areas with Russian boots on the ground!
Of course we've already had 4 referendums of Russian-speaking Orthodox Ukrainians obviously preferring not to live in a coup state run with Nazi muscle in which their language and religion and celebration of the defeat of Hitler become suddenly decertified and criminalized.
I'm still waiting for any Zelensky fan to explain why Kiev even wants the Russian population of the country. We know that's been a center of industry, but not much use without the people. So what was the plan, another Gaza? A second round of the Austrian corporal's Final Solution that was so popular with Ukrainians the first time..?
I'd expect the hothead Nazis west of Kiev, especially in the areas taken by force from the Second Polish Republic by Ukrainian Waffen SS volunteers in league with Hitler, to form the core of anyone wishing to remain in this iteration of Ukraine. Reasonable people are done with Kiev, which is why average Ukrainian men need to be kidnapped from the street to be conscripted to fight for it.
I wouldn't expect Ukrainian speakers from the now-banned Ukrainian Orthodox Church for example to prefer rule by Washington over Moscow.
If you opened up the possibility of people voting to join Hungary or Moldova you'd lose a tiny bit more. That's what happens when ethno-religious nutters stage a coup backed by a superpower and start pushing everyone else around.
Ill break apart this… amalgamation… piece by piece.
1.Good thing the whole of Ukraine DOES NOT WANT TO JOIN RUSSIA
2. Euromaida, the presumed reference, was a coup, but it was in response to a government that was idiotic and might as well have been lead by monkeys. The coup was justified and a sign of our democratic will
2a. This really is a contradictory claim. You are aware, that Russia is a far right ultranationalist fascist dictatorship. They are launching a war of imperialism against us but claim to be against imperialism. They are “freeing” the Russian minority by bombing them.
3. We want those areas because they are our internationally recognized, legitimate borders.
4. WE AREN’T NAZIS MY GOD. Nowadays in Russia, calling people a Nazi is calling them *anti-Russia.* Thats how you get ridiculous claims that the west is a place full of “nazis” and that we are a “nazi state.” Every main political party in the Verkhovna Rada is either social democratic or center right or centrist. Of course, a pro russian couldnt be bothered to learn that though
5. My god the amount of times you idiots bring up the waffen ss ukraine division is so much it gets boring. Those areas (Galicia) were Ukrainian. If you bothered to look at a SINGLE demography map from the 2nd Polish Republic, Eastern Galicia would be all Ukrainian like it is now. And therefore, due to the ethnic realities, STALIN made the borders for our country, not the phantom all powerful nazi ukraine waffen ss.
6.The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is a Kremlin propoganda mouthpiece, not the orthodox church us Ukrainians follow. We follow the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. Of cours,e you still wouldn’t be bothered to research anything about my country.
7, lol, the pure ridiculousness of your claim is absurd
1 – nearly 0% of Ukraine wanted to join Russia until the coup and they lost voting rights, language rights, religious rights, the ability to visit blood relatives in Russia, jobs with Russian-based employers, etc etc etc.
2 – It was a coup against an elected government with another national election months away. Ukrainians elected the government that was in power for a fixed constitutional term; why do you hate voting/democracy..? Instead of waiting several months to see who most Ukrainians wanted in Kiev, your side allowed the most corrupt elements of American government to use Nazi muscle and bloodshed to replace your government anti-constitutionally.
3 – Well, no, there have been 4 referendums among former Ukrainian citizens to change those borders and see #1 above for why you lost all of those votes by more than 90%.
4 – A large % of Catholic Ukrainians are Nazis, or at the very least Nazi-sympathetic. I know too many of you, I'm from a place where the local Ukrainian community erected a large SS memorial for the SS vets buried in their cemetery… in the 1990s. You still even have Waffen SS volunteers from the 1940s being buried today with honors, with youth in SS replica uniforms as an honor guard. Youth march in Lvov carrying the standard of the 1st Galician Waffen SS division on an annual basis, while wearing traditional costume. My wife's school days were spent with Ukrainian nuns who described concentration camp guard Ivan Demjaniuk as a patriot who did nothing wrong. Ukrainians protesting for more war money in my (American) city waved the flags of the erstwhile SS-run Nazi puppet state as well as that of the Belarussian Nazi puppet state of the 1940s… in 2022. An elected member of France's National Assembly lodged a formal complaint that the Ukrainians sent to her district for military training were constantly in violation of French hate crimes law with the display of Nazi jewellery, tattoos, T-shirts and photos of Hitler.
It appears to be difficult for more than 4 or 5 Ukrainians supportive of the coup govt to gather for a photo without one of them displaying a Nazi rune, a Sieg Heil salute and/or a Bandera T-shirt. It's endemic among the hotheads, and gets worse the farther west one goes, not just to Lvov but to the OUN nutter communities in Canada and the US.
Then as I said you have your well-adjusted Ukrainian men who drown in rivers rather than fight with Azov, or get beaten on the street by MPs to be conscripted into a Nazi-run military they hate. Those are decent, normal people trapped with the crazies and I feel bad for them.
5 – Well, there it is then. The Holocaust apologetics. We aren't Nazis, but our volunteer SS division that grandpa was in Did Nothing Wrong.
6 – The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is 1000 years old. And if it is a Kremlin mouthpiece, so what? That shouldn't make any difference in a free society. Again we see the hatred for anyone in Ukraine who isn't a Ukrainian-speaking Catholic, that is to say barely a majority of the pre-coup population. Your Nazi coup has been about ethnic cleansing, militarism and corruption and Americans are tired of paying for it. Buy your own armbands like adults, why don't you?
I am not a nazi and neither are 90% of my countrymen
Stop with the sob story of your Nazi neo-fascist nun or neighbors, that is a misrepresentation of our whole society based on the actions of a few
And I am not defending the Holocaust, I am Jewish, my great-grandparents were partisans fighting for the great grandson they never knew they would have to be able to hopefully live in a free nation away from the scum of foreign oppression and domination
It is Lviv, not Lvov, and you get it right.
I don’t care about your Nazi neighbors, and there are neo-Nazi parades in every country, it’s called politics. Stop pretending your birthplace is exempt from political low lives and scummy belief systems.
So please, in the future do to things:
1. Refer to the Ukrainian name of my cities
2. Stop pretending your neo nazi neighbors are the rank and file Ukrainians
How many cities are “yours,” and why should anyone else feel obligated to use the same names for them that you do?
Should I call Washington DC “Вашингтон, округ Колумбія,” just to make you happy?
It’s childish.
Absolutely childish
You can call Washington DC whatever you want to call it.
What’s childish is throwing a tantrum when people don’t call a city by the name you prefer.
Sometimes referred to as "the Puzzle Palace".
All the cities left over when Bob Vila returns from university deferrment after the war, are his. His & everyone else who ran away to 3rd Base and feel like they hit a Triple.
I've already cautioned him to maybe not go back; the neo-Nazis doing the heavy lifting against the Russians right now won't be so keen on his lot sauntering back in for an unearned share of "their country".
"Refer to the Ukrainian name of my cities"
It is not your place to tell Americans how to use our language. Doing so is sheer impudence and arrogance.
Do you know how the Germans call their country? They call it Deutschland, but in English the country is called Germany. Disrespecting the Germans? What do the Ukrainians call Germany? Німеччина. Not even close to Deutschland. The Germans are smart enough, cultured enough, and polite enough to know that history and usage have resulted in Germany being the English name for their country. Post 2014 nationalist Ukrainians are neither smart enough, cultured enough, nor polite enough to have a similar understanding.
In short, if we English speakers want to render the names of "your" cites as Kiev or Lvov that is our prerogative and our business. And if we choose to call it The Ukraine, that is also our business. It is quite impudent for those who speak a language that doesn't have articles to lecture and scold those whose language does about how those articles are to be used.
i know what I call Germany. I’m Ukrainian. I’m saying don’t use the Russian name for a Ukrainian city. I am not calling DC “Вашингтон, округ Колумбія” anytime soon.
Everyone calls every city whatever he damn well wants to call it.
Some people call my city by its formal name (Gainesville). Others call it The Swamp because the only thing they care about when it comes to this city is college football. And still others call it by its old name before it became Gainesville, Hogtown. I’ve also heard it called by an old pre-Spanish-conquest American Indian name, Kanapaha. One area of it is still called Arredondo after a Spanish land grant. I live in that last area, in a neighborhood called Kanapaha Highlands.
You’ve since updated your profile with a Nazi flag.
"The coup was justified and a sign of our democratic will."
Uh huh.
it was
So,….. a coup is the Kiev regimes ( and your) version of “democracy”.
Got it.
About three months ago Putin offered a peace plan:
1. Ukrainian forces must not only withdraw from all former Ukrainian regions which now according to Russian constitution are the parts of Russian Federation, but also those regions have to be recognized by The West as part of Russia.
2. Demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.
3. The West must stop the economic war against Russia.
Putin warned that this plan is valid for a short time only. Next one will be less favorable for Ukraine and for The West.
By now, obviously, situation changed. Turkey, Hungary, Slovakia and Austria are openly demonstrated their interest in closer relations with BRICS. Serbia and Greece never really were anti-Russian. Croatia moved to a neutral position in regard of Ukrainian war. So we are observing the split of EU where Austria, Hungary and Slovakia are creating their own union which is friendly to Russia and not subordinated to U.S.. Once it is created, Serbia, Greece, Croatia and even Rumania and Bulgaria would join it. Then of course no one of those countries would like to have a terrorist pro-American Ukrainian state positioned between them and Russia. So, most likely, they would prefer Russia to take all of Ukraine with a perspective for all those states joining BRICS.
More like a surrender plan than a peace plan.
You're lying. Surrenders end wars. Wars are the opposite of peace.
But still a plan than a no plan.
Correct, sane leaders are seeking independence from the destructive American empire:
romania and bulgaria both hate russia
and you make out the EU to be more divided than it is. Most of the governments who dislike us are just economic populists who took anti-ukraine positions along for the ride.
and by the way, your basically saying
"Our enemy is weak, but they pose a mortal threat."
And where does that come from?
cough couph nazis and couph couph their thoughts on jews couph couph
who said that?
They weren't talking this way months ago. Looks like they have an idea that Trump is likely to return to the White House.
President Trump already told Zelensky, "No Soup for You" as the Soup Nazi said on Seinfeld.
Very appropriate.
As usual, you miss the irony of your example.
The Soup Nazi is the one who said, "no soup for you!"
In your example, Trump would be the Nazi. (You implied Zelensky is the Nazi.)
Yes. Very appropriate.
Anyone know what odds Vegas was giving The Donald earlier this year, and now ?
I feel like I should've parted with $5 on what was likely million-to-1 odds back in January…
Vegas doesn’t have official betting lines on US elections because it’s illegal. But at the moment online betting markets are starting to lean Trump after two months of leaning Harris. And that will likely change back and forth a little over the next two weeks or so before stabilizing somewhere.
My own prediction (issued in mid-September, and I don’t change it after issuing it) is Harris 319 electoral votes, Trump 219 electoral votes. I could certainly be wrong. If I am, that will probably be due to Trump’s Get Out the Vote operation being taken over by Elon Musk’s America PAC, which is doing direct mail and knocking on doors in the swing states to the tune so far of nearly $100 million.
The polls remain close. It’s down to which side is better at turning out its supporters.
Interesting ! We’re certainly watching with interest up here. Almost more so than our own provincial election this Saturday (which has six 12-hour advance polling days open prior to the actual day, Oct 19th, mind you).
Sounds sensible with immediate elections.
1. Do you want independence?
2, Do you want to be part of Russia?
3, Do you want to remain part of Ukraine?
4. Write in something else.
Immediate elections in the Russian Caucasus:
1. Stay a part of Russia.
2. GTFO.
3. GTFO IMMEDATELY.
It's time to call the UK president to a quick visit to kiev
Oh for once a hint of sanity. Why do we Americans need to care?
They're killing each other all over the world. With and without our help. The people who think violence can defeat ideas…
Use the last 10-15 years' worth of presidential elections in Ukraine (back when it had them) as a map of territory to give up. Fairly obvious there's a consistent dividing line between the east & west of that country showing and eastern half that a) didn't vote for who became president all those years and b) Kiev likewise hasn't cared about since Maidan.
I suspect the WEF and heralded Zionry are intent on continuing this war for another five years or until their unpublicized Ukrainian depopulation goals are achieved.
A few million Ukrainian men await cannon fodder replenishment orders.
No mention of US opposition to this new development meaning Ukraine is worn off and US influence and support for Ukraine is diminishing…! US/NATO have come to the conclusion that they cannot defeat Russia through Ukraine, so expect more sanctions…!
Russia already signed four peace agreements to end this conflict, but the USA with its Ukraine puppet dictator ignored them all. Russia will not trust another BS deal and just take all of Ukraine within a year and define new boundaries for its new ally – Ukraine.
It's been nearly 3 years since the Russian invasion and they haven't even secured the Donbas.
I'm thinking the Russians are offering a peace deal now because they are running out of equipment and they may be facing the destruction of their attack fighters by those pesky F-16s.
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-orders-russia-army-expand-experts-cannot-do-this-forever-2024-9
https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2024/10/12/milbloggers-claiming-ukrainian-f-16-downed-russian-su-34-aircraft/
"It's been nearly 3 years since the Russian invasion and they haven't even secured the Donbas."
Neither have the Ukrainians.
True.
So far, there haven’t been any winners in the war.
There aren’t likely to be any REAL winners in the war, but the Russian regime is best positioned to just declare “victory” and a unilateral ceasefire along defensible lines, returning the situation to frozen conflict. They probably need to finish taking Donetsk to save face first, though.
Current Russian requirements for peace include the lifting of sanctions – have a guess as to why!
A unilateral ceasefire along defensible lines – would be very unsatisfactory for the Russians – unsustainably so.
Wow. Fantastic comeback.
The Russians are not offering any peace deal. On the contrary. They're sending in the N. Koreans.
OOOOO…now the Ukrainians are in trouble! NOT THE NORTH KOREANS!
(Didn't the Ukrainians just eliminate a bunch of North Koreans?)
Yep. They're as bad as the Russians. 18 have already deserted, but there are thousands of them. But all they have to do is draw fire until Ukrainians have run out of ammo and their positions are revealed. Putin is NOT asking for negotations until his buddy Trump is president.
Very soon all lands east of the Dnepr will be part of Russia plus Odessa will be part of Russia, Romania, Hungary, and Poland will claim their historical lands taking all of the western areas.
A dead zone or no man's land will be constituted as a buffer area.
That place formerly and artificially created will become a once upon a time fiction of the past.
Perhaps the Chernobyl area can be set aside for any people that need to claim an area to hang around in.
"…Romania, Hungary, and Poland will claim their historical lands taking all of the western areas."
That would be a monumentally amusing, ironic, telling outcome.
Imagine the sheer silence from Western MSM on three NATO allies literally doing what NATO claimed was the Russian Federation's "only motivation" to invade Ukraine.
"Well, it's okay when WE do it," whispers the lone voice up in the rafters.
There is a country in the Middle East also taking land in another country named Lebanon, but that is condoned.
Well they have That Old Book that their ancestors wrote and that they interpret to mean what is useful and beneficial to them.
The older something is, the more true it is (except for Hindu or Sumerian texts thousands of years older than the Hebrew ones) ! Or so that Fallacy goes.
A great take on whose land it is!
https://www.facebook.com/beststandupcomedy/videos/658478987635564/
you are incredibly ignorant on the geopoltitical and demograhic situation where i live Ukraine, and political situation as well.
What do I expect? Why would a pro-Russian research anything unless it comes from Scott Ritter or Ben Shapiro/Alex Jones?
The End Is Near!
One country allowed to attack other countries, and another is not. Stange new world.
“Whether it’s Trump or Harris, the Americans will slowly but surely withdraw,” the official said. “The prognosis is poor.”"
Actually, such a prognosis, were it true (which I doubt), would be good. But the so-called leadership in DC are collectively down a bottomless rabbit hole. I expect, Biden's people are still a long way from having murdered by proxy enough people either in Ukraine or the ME to admit to their uncontrollable lust for power.
Should Trump win, would he retain the neocons in the state department, would Harris?
They are getting ready to invade Iran, it has been on the back-burner since Trump's first term, they need a way to block Russia and China. Taiwan could help on the China side.
The criminal elements in DC and Tel Aviv are insane, and who knows how the insane mind works?
Der Spiegel is not what it used to be, it toes the government narrative and Scholz told Zelensky no more money, their pockets are empty.
Ukraine needs to close shop before the election, so Trump, should he win, will be left holding the bag, regardless who wins. Netanyahu is determined to attack Iran going back to the Wolfowitz/Bush Iraq era and knows many of the old neocons in the State Dep. some still there and still in charge.
Let's not let facts get in the way of the History of Eastern Europe. In 1914 before the Austro-Hungarian Empire was dissolved as punishment for World War One the maps below show who owned what land.
Prior to 1914 there are NO OTHER countries between the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire as evidenced by these maps.
An area north of Romania and Hungary, southeast of Poland and west of Russia was given to Stalin after it was taken from the Austro-Hungarian empire.
There is NO country created by The Treaty of Versailles or the result of the Paris Peace Conference which created an enclave for a specific sub-group of people or aboriginal tribe.
The experiment, at the expense of Russia, foisted on Eastern Europe a group in 1991 is now over. This sub-group has proven incapable of governing and getting along with their neighbors.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/map-austro-hungarian-empire-1914
https://geoalliance.asu.edu/sites/default/files/maps/EU_BeforeWW1.pdf
The next time I see you let facts get in the way of whatever you happen to want to believe will be the first time.
Forgive me for doubting that there will ever be a first time.
Try looking at the maps and reading the history.
"Maps & history have a liberal bias, dontcha know ?"
More than a century later we have a revisionist history.
The British empire was sinking and the US and Germany were rising, the British meddled on the continent with a treaty with Poland, encircling Germany, turning a continental war into WWI and separating Russia and Germany. The Kaiser and the Czar were cousins and liked each other. Germany did not start WWI.
It ended in Versailles with the USA to be #1 and the UK #2 and Hitler and the Nazis in Germany.
Although the Zealots of the Aboriginal tribe living southeast of Poland want to create fictions of statehood historical facts are facts.
They can deny history and even science, but there is an old adage: "The Truth Shall Set You Free".
For the less literate non-English speakers: "Only truth can truly free us from actions, fictions, and their consequences"!
However, Western NEOCON warmongers are happy to entertain any fantasy for their own ends.
"The Ukrainian government is considering options to end Russia's full-scale war that would involve temporarily suspending its goal of restoring Ukraine's full territorial integrity, the German news outlet Der Spiegel reported on Oct. 13, citing an [unnamed] official close to the Ukrainian government."
"…an [unnamed] official close to the Ukrainian government."
In other words, Der Spiegel or said "official" who is "close to the government" could have made this whole story up, just for clickbait or propaganda. LOL. Reminds me of Trump publishing his own polling saying he's beating Harris.