Russian and Ukrainian officials tentatively agreed on a potential peace deal during negotiations back in April 2022, according to a Foreign Affairs article by Fiona Hill and Angela Stent that cited former US officials.
The article reads: “According to multiple former senior US officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement.”
The terms of that settlement would have been for Russia to withdraw to the positions it held before launching the invasion on February 24. In exchange, Ukraine would “promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.”
The tentative deal was the result of in-person peace talks Russian and Ukrainian officials held in Istanbul at the end of March. Virtual talks resumed after the meeting in Istanbul, but the two sides ultimately failed to reach a deal.
A major factor in the failed negotiated settlement was pressure from the West. According to a report from Ukrainska Pravda, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to stop negotiating with Russia when he visited Kyiv on April 9.
According to the report, Johnson told Zelensky that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, Kyiv’s Western backers are not. The report said that Russia was ready for a meeting between Putin and Zelensky on the potential peace deal, but it became less likely after Johnson’s visit.
Johnson appeared to confirm the Ukrainska Pravda report when he told French President Emmanuel Macron in May that he “urged” Ukraine not to negotiate during his visit to Kyiv. The British leader, who is due to step down in September, visited Kyiv one last time as prime minister in August and again told the Ukrainians not to negotiate with Russia.
According to Ukrainska Pravda, the other factor that scuttled peace talks was the discovery of massacred civilians in Bucha and other areas near Kyiv that Russia withdrew from around the time negotiations were being held.
Russia announced after the Istanbul talks at the end of March that it was “drastically” reducing military operations around Kyiv and the northern city of Chernihiv. When Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin announced the plan he said Russia expected “relevant key decisions will be taken in Kyiv and the conditions for further normal work will be created.”
The announcement was followed by a withdrawal from the north that was completed in early April. The US and its Western allies viewed the Russian withdrawal from the north as a retreat and saw it as an opportunity to increase support for Ukraine and hurt Russia. Toward the end of April, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin visited Kyiv, and after the trip, he said that Washington’s goal in the war was to “weaken” Russia. In May, President Biden signed the $40 billion Ukraine aid bill into law.
So the colonialists are at it still. Colonialist UK informing the subject nation: “even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, Kyiv’s Western backers are not.” As ever, the puppeteers pull the strings, the puppets dance a dreadful dance of macabre, feigned accord while the set is smashed and the subordinate players take the body blows. Punch & Judy 2022.
And the puppeteers are a senile old man, Boris the madman, and idiots, all shysters and the puppet is just a nut job of a clown. It is enough to make you cry. They drove the Ukraine over the cliff already and think they can do it to Europe and China too, breaking the global economy on the way.
Who are these people, what kind of people are they? They are bad people for sure, who decided they are qualified to govern?
Russia will have war tribunals and war criminals have reason to fear them.
Zelensky dramatically has changed his position several times. I have always assumed that he has done that due to pressure from his handlers. But I suppose it could be drugs or some kind of severe personality disorder.
I’ve also noticed that he has almost no regard for the lives of his fighters. He has sent them on suicide missions to hold or seize land that has no particular strategic importance. Indeed, he appears to be doing that right now. The number of KIA in this counter-offensive is so high that Ukraine is trying to conceal it.
Alexander Mercouris on The Duran YouTube channel has been saying this for months! The US ginned up this war and it wants this war to go on.
I don’t believe Russia was willing to return to the pre 24 Feb invasion borders. No way they would’ve accepted that when it is clear they want as much land from Ukraine as possible and after investing large amount of money, 200K + soldiers and taking heavy casualties (add sanctions to that). Putin’s would’ve had a huge revolt in Moscow for showing his mighty army’s ass to the world and having lost so many troops in vain.
That’s because you believe what you are fed. And why would there be a revolt in Russia? I thought it was just Putin, the second coming of “Hitler”, that was responsible for EVERYTHING Russia does. And that’s according to YOU!
I’m not sure you read what i wrote.
I’m trying to picture Hitler, er, I mean Putin allowing revolts after he, and only him, ordered an invasion.
I read that many members in the Duma were critical of Putin because he was too much relying on diplomacy, they did not believe diplomacy would solve the problem.
I don’t think it is as clear as you say. Russia has always said that thwarting NATO expansion is a key defensive objective. Numerous western experts confirm this to be the case: Chomsky, Kissinger, Mearsheimer (international relations scholar), and Bill Burns (current director of CIA) to name few.
Don’t forget Canada and the US openly aided and trained the Ukrainian military before the war. Moscow perceived this as hostile NATO aggression. This is why Obama refused to give Ukraine military aid. Trump was the first president to give Ukraine military aid, something the military and their business lobby had long lobbied for.
With that said, I do concur that Putin would not want to return to pre Feb 24 borders for political reasons, but given how the war was going in April, he may have agreed to do it. He could have stated that Ukraine has been “de-nazified”, mission accomplished, and cut his losses.
Obama didn’t refuse to listen to witch Nuland.
Don’t forget VP Biden, he was in it too.
Please tell us what was the” status ” in April ?
According to a report from Ukrainska Pravda, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to stop negotiating with Russia when he visited Kyiv on April 9.
I don’t believe that either Ukraine or the US ever had any interest in adhering to the terms of the Minsk 2 agreement. But I do believe that Kyev was about to launch a full scale military invasion of the Donbass region around February 24th.
I agree but you should also add Russia to not having any interest in complying with the articles of the Minsk 2 as they clearly violated them too. There is plenty of evidence on this. It’s open source.
Edit: I don’t believe Ukraine was getting ready to launch an assault. That’s just Kremlin Propaganda. It would’ve been known by the media. There was a lot satellite imagery showing Russian massing troops in the border while at the same time Russia denying they were going to invade and blaming the West for creating hysteria.
Russia never provided evidence of Ukraine preparing for an attack because there was none.
Get up to speed. There were reports months ago. Do not forget the shelling of the Donbas, leading to the deaths of approximately 14,000.
That figure has been debunked by our moderator many times with credible source. Both sides were shelling, both sides suffered losses, most of the death were combatants. Civilians deaths on both sides too.
The fact remains that the Kiev Entity stepped up the shelling of the Donbas considerably in 2022.
The moderator on this site is biased and flawed, as we all are. The SMO may have started 24th February but the aggression that lead to the SMO started in 2014. Russia is not guilty of aggression, the western powers are. And without our aggression none of this would of occurred, hence why the Hague calls aggression the Supreme International Crime.
The SMO occurred after 2 prior wars in the Donbass which lead to 2 peace agreements that we broke. Remember the Minsk agreements? Brokered by Russia and were suppose to lead to peace.
We, the Golden Billion, are supreme international criminals.
According to the Hague the supreme international crime is the crime of aggression. In 2014 we overthrew the Government in Kiev and placed literal Nazi’s in power who started an ethnic cleansing campaign of Russian speakers in the Donbass.
It was the US that shot and murdered police and civilians in the maidan, Brian Christopher Boyenger ran a crew of NATO funded snipers who operated from the Ukraina Hotel that was locked down by the Right Sector (Openly Neo Nazi Paramiltary Organisation) at the time.
It was Brian Christopher Boyenga who was embedded with the Azov Battalion (Openly Neo Nazi Paramiltary Organisation) who he trained and supplied US weapons to, which btw were used for the attempted ethnic cleansing of the Donbass. The US Rand corporation documented the process to ethnicly cleanse the Donbass of Russian speakers, which btw included concentration camps.
Obama himself admitted he overthrew Yanuchovich. Its not that Obama wanted to kill them all, if they fled to Russia that achieved the same goal. Obama needed to ethnically cleanse the Donbass to ensure that the Racist/Fascist Junta he placed in power could stay in power. The Russian speakers in Ukraine held the balance of power and had to be removed if the Junta was to stay in power.
Every regime-level party to the war is “guilty of aggression” at various times and in various forms.
And yes, I am biased (against all regimes) and flawed (in numerous ways) — and vocally opposed the aggression in 2014 and since then.
The US immediately after the regime change armed, funded and trained by NATO members Ukrainian army. Ukraine became a de facto NATO member. The NATO and Ukrainian troops were on continuing maneuvers in Ukraine because permanent bases were not possible. Several NATO military exercises in Ukraine were scheduled for 2022. The US prepared for war against Russia since W. Bush. There were plenty of early meetings by Zelensky with Biden too. The war was in the making for at least a decade. Zelensky immediately after the election threw the Minsk II agreement in the waste basket and went after the opposition parties, he made no effort to end the civil war, he was the servant of the Azov bunch and the Americans. He is being richly rewarded for it.
Why negotiate peace when Zelensky and Western politicians are stealing $Billions in weapons and cash from the aid to Ukraine.
Hopefully the criminal politicians are happy because the Ukrainian people are picking up the tab with their lives!
Here are the latest reports from the Russian MoD:
A battalion of the 57th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was defeated near the settlement of Sukhoi Stavki. Currently, the destruction of its remains is being completed.
To unblock the AFU units, 12 tanks supplied to the Kiev regime by Poland were transported across the Ingulets River. Several tanks were blown up in the Ukrainian minefield during a disorderly withdrawal.
Ukrainian troops lost four combat aircraft: two Su-25, one Su-24 and one MiG-29. Three Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down in the air. Russian troops also destroyed 63 Ukrainian tanks, 59 infantry fighting vehicles, 48 other armored combat vehicles, 14 pickups with heavy machine guns and more than 1,700 Ukrainian servicemen.
This is the biggest defeat for the Nazis since 2014, even bigger than the Ilovaisk “cauldron”!
It’s almost impossible to get any reasonable casualty figures reported in the west; but I’m inclined to believe the Russian reports of Ukrainian losses, if only because 1. the Ukrainians have been touting the “coming counteroffensive to retake Kherson” for over a month, and then 2. suddenly, all reports are “well, it’s not REALLY a counteroffensive, it’s a counteroffensive “by fire” without actually trying to take any territory”, which to me means Ukraine failed miserably and now they are trying to sweep all evidence under the rug.
Which isn’t surprising; any reasonable analysis reveals that Ukraine, with it’s heterogenous collection of “donated” junk crewed by “volunteers” is incapable of conducting a serious offensive against dug in troops with superiority in firepower and airpower.
But no matter; the “point” of Ukrainian activity is to Keep the Dollars and Euros coming, and the cost in Ukrainian lives and the destruction of Ukrainian territory is irrelevant to the West and Zelensky; after all, Z-man and his wife have their nicely padded Swiss bank accounts to fall back on when they go into “exile” to Hollywood when it’s finally over.
I think Zelensky was double whammied by NATO and the Ultra Right in Ukraine. I remember one of the Ukrainian negotiators was shot in the head
by Ukrainian security forces. I am guessing Zelensky got the message
Yeah, Zelensky is a sniveling coward and a weakling. He trembles before the Azov and other Nazis, and the NATO bullies. It is easy to be “brave” against the external enemy when you are a leader, yammering on in Kiev in safety, hundreds of miles from the front (and all around the world), and when it is clear that your enemy is not interested in “decapitating” your regime.
It would have taken real courage for Zelenksy to stand up to the Nazis when he took office, and to actually try to implement the dovish policies he ran on. And even more so for him to stand up to them, and to the NATO overlords, once the war started. But he has none.
It’s all about MIC profits coming back to Wash. elections. Trite, but still true. In the meantime more lives are lost and more of OUR MONEY is wasted on killing people that are no threat to America. It’s the American Way.
Once you sign up to a gang of Mafia thugs, the only way you get out is dead. The same holds for US vassals. Ukraine sold its soul to US imperialism. Even if Zelensky is ready to make peace with Russia, the US/UK won’t let him. Zelensky has no means of repealing the sanctions against Russia. Zelensky has no means of removing US missiles from Poland and Romania. Even Ukraine’s neutral status can only be agreed between Russia and the US. What Ukraine wants is totally irrelevant. Zelensky needs to grow up and understand Ukraine’s position in the world – or there won’t be any Ukraine.
I think what you say holds true for all NATO members too.
Anglo- Saxons are bad news.
The Anglo-Saxon Empire needs constant war to survive by a strategy of divide et impera, while Russia and China need peace to prosper. The empire now desperately needs a conflict between India and China to split the non-Western world. Some Americans are so thick that they still believe that an alliance between China and Russia is “unnatural” and will therefore fail.
Putin stopped the US/UK-backed war in Syria. Now, there is even talk about Turkey and Syria making peace. India and China despite their differences now participate in joint military maneuvers in Russia. Putin will end the war started by the US/UK/EU in Ukraine 8 years ago. All of this will tremendously boost Russian influence while the West falls into the trap it has set for others.
Nobody expected that the Russians would have the nerve to launch a large-scale invasion. In hindsight, it is clear that it was Russia’s only chance of preempting Western encroachment. Putin facing up to the Nato alliance which is 20 times bigger than Russia will go down in history as one of the most brilliant strategic decisions of all times.
I could not agree more. Putin is a great statesman, he has a very competent cabinet, outstanding competent advisers, people who advise based on reality and knowledge.
Our public, voters, are kept in the dark, to think the word “SOCIALISM” has been reduced to a profanity, don’t say it and don’t ever ask what it really stands for.
I could not agree more. Putin is a great statesman, he has a very competent cabinet, outstanding competent advisers, people who advise based on reality and knowledge.
Our public, voters, are kept in the dark, to think the word “SOCIALISM” has been reduced to a profanity, don’t say it and don’t ever ask what it really stands for.
That was a bogus deal in any event. Russia has no intention of allowing Ukraine to go back to the status quo before the war. Nor should they – the West would only use that to continue using Ukraine to make trouble. Russia knows the West will never agree to Ukraine not being part of NATO, covertly if not officially.
All the suggestions about Ukraine not joining NATO were irrelevant and a smokescreen. The military buildup would have continued until it was irrevocable. Russia knows this. They only suggested this peace deal to get Ukraine to surrender.
The war will not end until Ukraine surrenders completely and its neo-Nazi regime is dismantled.
Indeed, there’s no real need for Russia and the DPR and the LPR to do anything different at this point. The SMO is working well for them, and the “facts on the ground” are slowly but surely reducing Ukraine to a rump, land-locked state.
With the demise of Germany and the EU will also come the demise of NATO and a substantial weakening of the US hegemon and Taiwan will be another loser.
The American government and corporate elite are self- destructing Nihilists.
That explains a lot, Bucha was set up to stop negotiations, a war crime Ukrainians committed against Ukrainians to serve American interests, as Biden and Austin made clear, they want regime change and a destroyed Russia. How evil. The Anglo-Saxons are bad news, stay away from them if you can.
A demented malicious President Biden and a demented, dangerous and malicious Boris Johnson, and all the cabal around them are a danger to the world. They are bad people, they know what they are doing.
https://journal-neo.org/2022/08/31/washingtons-and-kyivs-failed-attempt-to-drive-a-fake-news-wedge-between-kazakhstan-and-russia/
Washington’s and Kyiv’s Failed Attempt to Drive a “Fake News” Wedge between Kazakhstan and Russia
Ukraine’s SBU and then CIA are very busy these days.
The assassination of Darya Dugina was just another act of fascist terrorism by Kiev. An act of terrorism conducted by a terrorist state supported by western terror organisations, what they portray as liberal democratic institutions.
The main perpetrator, Azov battalion (neo Nazi paramilitary organisation) asset Natalia Vovk did not act alone. Bogdan Tsyganenko, provided false license plates for the Mini Cooper she was driving and helped to assemble a crude car bomb inside a rented garage in the southwest of Moscow.
Vovk followed the Dugin family to the Tradition festival, and detonated the car bomb by remote control. Since 2015 the CIA has been training Ukrainian intelligence agents in a secret facility in the United States in exactly this type of terrorism.
And this is the result of the West sabotaging the peace deal…
https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/mit-hilfe-der-gruenen-die-usa-planen-die-zerstoerung-der-deutschen-wirtschaft/
A very interesting article, it a German translation of the document.
with help from the Greens the US planes the destruction of the German economy. The document is confidential dated Jan. 25, 2022 Research Report
To weaken Germany and strengthen the USA.
Distribution: WHCS, ANSA
Department of State, CIA, NSA, DNC
Executive Summary The logo of the Rand corporation in the left bottom corner.
I did BELIEVE the destruction of the German economy by the USA was deliberate, it just could not be DELIBERATE economic German suicide . Germans can’t be that stupid to deliberately stop energy to wipe out their industry. The Steel and chemical giants opposed it and lost against the Greens.
It was never plausible, no more than the Russians self-bombing the NPP in Ukraine.