The White House is close to deciding it will provide Ukraine with a cluster-armed version of the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS), which has a range of nearly 200 miles and can be fired from HIMARS launchers, according to the Washington Post. The HIMARS in Kyiv’s possession are currently firing munitions with a range of 50 miles. The US arming Ukrainian forces with ATACMS would mark a significant escalation in the proxy war with Russia and cross Moscow’s “red line.”
Sending ATACMS was ruled out until recently over concerns that the weapons could be used by Kyiv for attacks inside Crimea and the Russian mainland. However, for months, as Kyiv has launched more attacks against Russian territory and previous US concerns of escalation waned, there have been reports saying that the White House was increasingly considering sending the ATACMS to Ukraine.
Earlier this month, during an appearance on ABC’s ‘This Week,’ Secretary of State Blinken was asked if he approved of Ukraine using the US-provided ATACMS to carry out strikes deep inside Russian territory. “In terms of their targeting decisions, it’s their decision, not ours,” Blinken stated emphatically.
As the Post has previously reported, the Discord Leaks revealed that “behind closed doors, [President Volodymyr Zelensky] has proposed going in a more audacious direction… privately pining for long-range missiles to hit targets inside Russia’s borders, according to classified US intelligence documents detailing his internal communications with top aides and military leaders.”
Kyiv is currently carrying out myriad drone strikes in Crimea and Russia, which rely on US targeting intelligence.
The plan to provide ATACMS was postponed ultimately because there were not enough kept in US stocks, and officials said arming Kyiv with the long-range missiles would have a negative effect on the Pentagon’s readiness for other wars and conflicts.
Although, sources speaking with the Post explain that now the White House is instead planning on sending a version of the ATACMS armed with cluster submunitions, or bomblets, as opposed to a single or “unitary” warhead.
The cluster-armed version of the ATACMS is not considered a front-line US weapon anymore and is in much more plentiful supply. Kyiv is requesting hundreds of these missiles.
Interagency discussions on the issue have reportedly moved from the deputies committee to the principals committee, which includes the heads of each national security state agency. The final decision will ostensibly be made by President Joe Biden.
Cluster bombs open up in the air and scatter scores of small bomblets and submunitions across large target areas; however, a certain percentage of these don’t explode on initial impact and are called duds. These unexploded bomblets often kill and maim civilians who come upon them years and decades after the conclusion of the conflicts in which the arms have been used.
The Cluster Munition Coalition has found the primary victims of the duds are children who pick up the bomblets which look like metal balls. Shepherds and scrap metal collectors are often killed by these submunitions as well.
During the Vietnam War, US forces dropped hundreds of millions of cluster bomblets on Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. People still die in Laos on a yearly basis because of the tens of millions of unexploded ordinances left behind following US bombing campaigns.
More than 120 countries have signed on to a United Nations convention prohibiting the munitions which kill indiscriminately. Washington, Kyiv, and Moscow are not signatories.
The cluster bombs Washington is providing Kyiv with now have a dud rate of 14%, according to the New York Times. It is unclear what the dud rate on the cluster-armed ATACMS will be, and a 2022 Army publication suggests different versions hold between 300-950 submunitions.
Connor Freeman is the assistant editor and a writer at the Libertarian Institute, primarily covering foreign policy. He is a co-host on the Conflicts of Interest podcast. His writing has been featured in media outlets such as Antiwar.com, Counterpunch, and the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. He has also appeared on Liberty Weekly, Around the Empire, and Parallax Views. You can follow him on Twitter @FreemansMind96.
It’s like giving away transformer toys. Collect all the sets!
I have good news and bad news. The bad news is Russia, US, and China are all about to start testing nuclear weapons any day now. The good news is… I lied. I have no good news. I said that to trick you into reading my post. (Sarcasm)
It ain’t far from the truth, NA!
Russia is said to have released a satellite image or their own fresh activity at Russia’s nuclear testing facility near Rogachevo. The map is dated June 2023.
Not only Russia.
Exclusive: Satellite images show increased activity at nuclear test sites in Russia, China and US
Is Mr Biden the Dr. Strangelove of today?
Nah. He’s just your everyday butthead.
Nah. Biden wasn’t smart enough to be Strangelove on his best day ever. He’s not nearly as bright as President Muffley, either.
If Biden leads the world into nuclear annihilation, it will be by doing something so brain-dead stupid that Kubrick/George/Southern thought it too unbelievable to include in the screenplay.
Well, I suppose that the Ukrainians can use Biden’s latest gifts to try to wipe out the population of Russian speaking Ukrainians in the East and solve their problem via a special operation of their own. Zelensky can call it his final solution.
If the past is prologue, Biden shall succeed in wiping out the Ukrainian population in Ukraine.
WTG Joe.
“[D]uring [a Sept.] appearance on ABC’s ‘This Week’…Blinken was asked if he approved of Ukraine using the US-provided ATACMS to carry out strikes deep inside Russian territory. ‘In terms of their targeting decisions, it’s their decision, not ours,’ Blinken stated.”
1/ As I pointed out in comments on the previous, linked article, the interview failed to pin down Blinken on the key point – the reversal of initial US statements that longer range weapons would not be used on Russian “territory.”
Thus, this unasked follow-up question:
‘Biden in [date] stated the US was giving Ukraine longer range weapons conditionally – that is, on condition that Ukraine agree not to use them on Russian territory; when did US foreign policy shift, so that, you say, it is now ‘up to Ukraine’ what they do with them?‘
2/ The failure to ask this question points up the greater mainstream news failure of democratic mission:
the failure to inform – here, the failure to demand transparency regarding a consequential policy change by that most undemocratic part of US politics, foreign policy.
He said that with a wink behind his aviator shades. He doesn’t give a sh*t if cluster bombs hit Sevastopol, or even Moscow. All information and targeting is by U.S. forces.
Blinken “said that with a wink behind his aviator shades.”
See, yr proving my point about the wimpy press – cuz after the wink, did the interviewer slap the shit out of smart-ass Blinken, leaving the broken shades hanging off one ear? Nooooooooo…
Thanks for making me smile, good sir.
🙂
Firing cluster munitions deep into Russia at its cities is about as incendiary as it could be.
Why? Because it is all the US has, or at least all it is willing to spare.
We think we are impervious to the same. I live on the West Coast. Not Alaska, thank goodness. Would Sarah’s house be the first target???
Are there any instruments of death that the United Snakes hasn’t embraced, beginning with those employed against the indigenous peoples, nuclear bombs dropped on civilian cities, the widespread use of chemicals like Agent Orange?
We are nothing more than perpetrators of killing. It pains me til no tomorrow to reside in such a sh*thole; I hang my head in shame.
The American people ended the Vietnam war , they can end this war if they so wish .
Problem is, Jesse, they don’t care…because they’re not technically fighting it (only through our tax dollars).
do not hang your head in shame.
stand up proud and be all that you can be.
if i knew your address i would have your back.
we could have a sandwich and a cup of coffee.
edit = yes, our government are shameful.
That would be nice, Spy 🙂
The rest of the world -well, most in Canada anyways- realise the average American is not in charge of the USA, nor has any ability to fix it. A lot of good people are indicted by bad leadership.
And a lot of them will die soon, courtesy of the living corpse biden.
From Reuters today
Russia’s Foreign Ministry said on Thursday that if the United States decided to supply Kyiv with longer-range missiles, it would cross a “red line” and become “a party to the conflict”.
It will be interesting to see if Biden has learned that Putin doesn’t bluff.
If the US provides ATACMS and the targeting intelligence, I would not rule out the possibility of an unexplained loss of a Global Hawk over the Black Sea, or even a few satellites.
A few years ago, China demonstrated its ability to take out a satellite by taking out one of theirs.
Both Russia (2021) and China (2007) did. I just “googled” it. I’m in no way smarter than you, VLP! LOL. (Sarcasm)
1998 right here
there was no such thing as 9/11 back then
Thanks, Spy. Had a seizure from all them rays of light. Is that a new weapon you’re testing on us? (Sarcasm)
So did I………………….
That was actually pretty good.. Maybe I was wrong about her.
Thanks!
No, you were not. Someone else wrote the song.
LOL. (sarcasm)
1998 right here
there was no such thing as 9/11 back then
And the stupid Russians continue to sell the US oil and Uranium. What idiots!
No. The US banned imports of Russian crude oil last year. Some imports of refined petroleum products were permitted, but that ended this past summer with a total ban.
Russia makes lots of money selling uranium to the US and EU nations, among many others. I’m sure the folks in the Kremlin and at Rosatom have done a careful cost-benefit analysis before deciding to keep exporting to those countries.
Well the Russians aren’t stupid, so there’s that. Can’t really say the same for the Mo-ron in Chief and his simpleton sycophants.
LOL!………………………………………………………
Russians love their Vodka and know it kills them, dead. They still share it with us. They’re probably “long-term thinking.” LOL. (Sarcasm)
“White House Close To Providing Kiev With Cluster-Armed ATACMS”
One more step toward nuclear Armageddon. Of course, Joey Biden doesn’t care he will be dead from old age soon enough.
I’m convinced he already is. I can’t get Weekend at President Bernie’s out of my mind.
He already is, so I want to endorse wars r u s. on this 😉
I second that, OldGuy!
Do you know how to tell when the Russians are losing? All of the tankies stop talking about the actual war and start screaming NUCLEAR ANNILATION!
Very true.
America is now effectively at war with Russia they are supplying weapons , intelligence , satellite imagery , and choosing targets the only thing the yanks have not provided as yet is troops , they are again pushing Putin to make the first move so they can claim he pushed them into responding with troops , and TBH the sooner this war spills over into Europe the better because then the NATO LACKEYS will be screaming for a cease fire and peace talks with the yanks side lined .
Nato is not going to scream for peace talks. It wanted a full-scale confrontation with Russia for some time now, and its wish should be granted by Russia with its full military might. No more talking to the sick, sadistic, pathologically dishonest killer snakes.
At this stage, only action can make a difference.
The US (and NATO) have been supplying weapons since the beginning of the war, The fact is that Russia CAN’T do anything about it. The war is not “spilling over into Europe” because the Russians can’t even make it spill out past Bakhmut!
The US (and NATO) have been supplying weapons since the beginning of the war, The fact is that Russia CAN’T do anything about it. The war is not “spilling over into Europe” because the Russians can’t even make it spill out past Bakhmut!
Sounds like a bit of a cluster -uck to me…
Zelensky’s pockets were stuffed with little round things as he left the WH. Cluster Bomblets as Xmas presents for the Ukrainian kiddies?
Ze-hrenski also introduced this gem on his visit to Canada:
“Western armaments saved lives.”
You just can’t make this up. He was better off as a mediocre comedian.
He has a mild hormonal disorder that makes him manic at times, and according to earlier reports, he used to enhance his acting with a not exceedingly mild stimulant commonly known as cocaine.
Styx, how else could he come up with playing the piano with his johnson? 🙄
🙂
That is why I enjoy your company immensely OG.1
Likewise 😉
Great. Give them what they need to kick the imperialist, neo nazis, terrorist, and war criminals out of ukraine.
Imperialists, neo nazis, terrorists and war criminals have been in control of Ukraine since an since the US instigated coup took place in 2014.
No, they have been in Ukraine since Putin took Crimea.
Clearly the US instigated a coup in Ukraine. You think that was great.
As far as Nazis go, it isn’t the Russians that are wearing Nazi symbols. It’s units that are serving in the AFU.
“As far as Nazis go, it isn’t the Russians that are wearing Nazi symbols.”
Now that Utkin is dead, you mean?
You do realize that Utkin hasn’t been in the Russian military for over a decade right?
Yes, I realize that he founded a “private” military to work for the the Russian state.
Right. Entire formations of the Russian military or private contractors wear Nazi symbols….. Nope.
You sure can nit pick….
That’s what the Russians have been doing… No assistance required.
Correct, it is what Russia has been doing.
You didn’t need to repeat what I said, but thanks.
No.. Thank the Russians!
Again.
We might also thank the Russians for their patience (so much casus belli from NATO, so much restraint towards NATO) and their wisdom (two notable opportunities in contemporary history to launch nuclear weapons; but their levelheadedness chose against both times).
And free passage through her airspace with our own military during our Nations darkest hour.
Would they do it again?.. Will they ever?
Spassibo, Rus.
Right, yes – the Russian Federation was among the first countries in the world to offer assistance after 9/11. A gesture slapped away by Dubya in a continuing and future sequence of spurned overtures of goodwill.
No; I don’t know how the RF, Islamic Republic of Iran (regarding enrichment), or any country paying enough attention, could or should believe the USA has honorable intentions with treaties or agreements.
“White House Close To Providing Kiev With Cluster-Armed ATACMS”
Nuclear arming of Iran, Syria, Cuba and Latin America should be on Russia’s agenda from now on.
Why not!? Are they more crazy than we are? (Sarcasm)
Trying to push Russia’s president into a corner is beyond insane.
Oh, be assured that the Kremlin has a blank cheque in its’ president’s desk, ready to hand to the leader of the next country the USA decides to invade ‘for freedoms and such’. A cheque to be cashed in for arms, equipment, weapons, intelligence and logistics services – precisely all that NATO has given to fight a proxy war, the Russian Federation will gladly donate in turn.
And since 9/11 and Afghanistan & Iraq, the Russians not least among many were watching and taking notes on how & where best to hurt the USA.
Wouldn’t that be nice.
In 3.5 months of the Russian SMO NATO has lost 78 thousand troops (casualties) and 9,500 pieces of equipment. Trillions have been spent in the nearly 10 years of this NATO war on humanity. According to US politicians its the best money they have ever spent. These are psychopaths, predators consuming humanity. Absolute MONSTERS.
NATO has already lost; 477 Aircraft, 249 helicopters, 7067 UAV’s, 438 Anti Aircraft systems, 12071 tanks inc. APC’s, 1154 multiple rocket launchers, 6502 field artillery and 13351 military automotive equipment. Approx. $1 Trillion of NATO hardware.
NATO pushed the so called “Counter Offensive” to break up the Russian war of attrition which NATO was loosing badly. The so called “Counter Offensive” was a last ditch effort to shape the European battlefield in favour of NATO.
The Russians have destroyed ELEVENTY-BILLION weapon systems and have invaded DC, Paris, and London! I tell you it’s true!
Lol
White House Close To Declaring Kiev’s Capitulation
ATACMS would mark a significant escalation in the proxy war with Russia and cross Moscow’s “red line.”
Fin Kiev.
If that happens, two things may result: Putin gets kicked out and a real hardliner takes over, or Putin escalates toward using WMDs. The Russian people won’t take strikes on their homeland if there’s an easy solution (WMDs) to end the war once and for all.
Let’s not wish on a “Mad Vlad” Zhironovsky at the helm. President Putin’s temperment has made him of the few adults in the room.
I don’t know if the Russian people could accept a nuclear strike on Ukraine. Ukrainians and Russians have a close and shared history (prevailing opinions on Nazis aside) and I think it might be seen as a strike upon cousins (for those reading in the US South, standard cousins, not the ‘cousins-with-benefits’ kind) after a fashion. An escalation unwarranted against estranged family but growing to be an option against NATO interlopers.
Anybody from the Donetsk region with the experience of being shelled daily by the ukro-horilka-driven reptiles would do nicely as the next Russian president.
Of course, they may have been shelled daily by others as well. It’s not like the Ukrainians were the only ones who’ve been shelling that area for nearly a decade now.
Yes, Thomas.
Your great many talents are on full display now.
The only way to fix the war is to attack the culprit, not the victim.
Ukrainian servicemen sent Russian prisoner of war (POW) to walk through a minefield. After the man walked away not far, Ukrainian Nazis opened fire. At the end of the video, an explosion could be heard which likely killed the POW.
The US/UK, Canada and other Western powers will go before war crimes tribunals. Ukraine is an abomination on humanity which is starting to look worse than Hitler’s Germany.