Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday that freeing Israeli captives in Gaza was not his top priority, comments that angered the family members of hostages.
“We have many objectives, many goals in this war. We want to bring back all of our hostages,” Netanyahu said.
“That is a very important goal. In war, there is a supreme objective. And that supreme objective is victory over our enemies. And that is what we will achieve,” he added.
It’s been clear for a long time that freeing the hostages was not Netanyahu’s primary goal, especially since he broke a ceasefire agreement that would have released them all, but these comments appear to be the first time he said so publicly.
The Hostages and Missing Families Forum said in a statement that freeing the captives should be Israel’s main goal. “Prime minister, the return of the hostages is not ‘less’ important – it is the supreme goal that should guide the government of Israel,” the forum said. “The families of the hostages are concerned.”
Netanyahu’s comments came not long after Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said that freeing the hostages was not Israel’s “most important goal” and said the “Gaza problem” must be “eliminated.”
Hamas has repeatedly offered to free all remaining Israeli hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire, but according to Israeli media, the Israeli government has a “longstanding rejection” of the proposal.
In recent months, Netanyahu has said that his long-term plans for Gaza include indefinite Israeli military occupation and the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population, which he frames as “voluntary migration.”
Woe to you, o earth and sea….
Let your God judge!
Who are these guys? Who funds them, who supports, who arms them?——-
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group – IG)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Hizballah
PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
al-Qa’ida (AQ)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM)
Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LeT)
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (AAMB)
Asbat al-Ansar (AAA)
al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Jemaah Islamiya (JI)
Lashkar i Jhangvi (LJ)
Ansar al-Islam (AAI)
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (formerly al-Qa’ida in Iraq)
Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami/Bangladesh (HUJI-B)
al-Shabaab
Revolutionary Struggle (RS)
Kata’ib Hizballah (KH)
al-Qa’ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami (HUJI)
Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP)
Jaysh al-Adl (formerly Jundallah)
Army of Islam (AOI)
Indian Mujahedeen (IM)
Jemaah Anshorut Tauhid (JAT)
Abdallah Azzam Brigades (AAB)
Haqqani Network (HQN)
Ansar al-Dine (AAD)
Boko Haram
Ansaru
al-Mulathamun Battalion (AMB)
Ansar al-Shari’a in Benghazi
Ansar al-Shari’a in Darnah
Ansar al-Shari’a in Tunisia
ISIL Sinai Province (formerly Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis)
al-Nusrah Front
Mujahidin Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem (MSC)
Jaysh Rijal al-Tariq al Naqshabandi (JRTN)
Hamas
ISIL-Khorasan (ISIL-K)
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant’s Branch in Libya (ISIL-Libya)
Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent
Hizbul Mujahideen (HM)
ISIS-Bangladesh
ISIS-Philippines
ISIS-West Africa
ISIS-Greater Sahara
al-Ashtar Brigades (AAB)
Jama’at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin (JNIM)
National Liberation Army (ELN)
Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
One nation under God.
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It has not changed much. Still threatening and bombing the world for "human democracy"
Neither Israel or the US started the wars. Vietnam was the bad one.
But my point is that the terrorist groups I posted still exist and commit acts of terrorism in the name of Islam in multiple countries.
Think before you post.
Zionism started all Israel's wars.
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False. Violence in British Mandatory Palestine started with the Nebi Musa riots in 1920, which followed the relaxed immigration policies of the British.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots#:~:text=1920%20Nebi%20Musa%20riots%20%2D%20Wikipedia,tensions%20in%20Arab%E2%80%93Jewish%20relations.
From that link: As the riots began, Jewish immigration to Palestine was temporarily halted by the British.
Zionist terrorism started with the bombing of the King David Hotel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
Jewish extremist terrorism – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_extremist_terrorism
Jewish Atrocities in the Holy Land – https://www.loc.gov/rr/amed/pdf/palestine4/Jewish-Atrocities-in-the-Holy-Land.pdf
I'm not sure what your point is – if any.
Yes, Jews in British Mandatory Palestine engaged in violence. So did Palestinians. And the British only controlled the area because of violence, which they took away from the Turks, who took the province of Palestine through violence.
In fact, the area has been violent for two thousands years. Jerusalem – the major city – has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, captured and recaptured 44 times, and attacked 52 times.
The area has been attacked by Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Persians, Mongols, Crusaders, English, and various Muslim empires. It's a violent area.
Currently, Israel is, by US law, a major non-NATO ally. On the other side, many Palestinians have supported US enemies for generations. In WWII, major Palestinians (such as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) were actively pro-Nazi and pro-Hitler. The Palestinians in the PLO worked with the USSR against US and Western Interests. Many Palestinians supported Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War and Bin Laden after 9/11. And Hamas captures, tortures, and executes American citizens in Gaza. Does that make them the good guys?
So, again – what is your point?
Zionists (and anti-Zionists) engaged in violence.
Please stop using unwilling members of an ethnic group as human shields for your disgusting ethno-nationalism.
First of all, I do not have a "disgusting ethno-nationalism".
Facts are facts, and despite your childish name-calling, you haven't disproven my facts.
The history of life in the British Mandate of Palestine included some well-documented conflicts between communities that were separated along ethnic lines, and conflicts between groups were often ethnic conflicts, as is true in much of the world.
You may want to ignore history or imagine some sort of utopian revisionism, but most of human history is defined by clearly divided conflicts based on various communities.
So, I'm not sure why you want to pretend there was no violence. Perhaps you want to distinguish Zionists are a separate breed of people. However, there is a two-thousand year history of violence in the Middle East; are we supposed to play make believe about that?
For example, when the Crusaders entered Jerusalem, they targeted various groups based on their religion. These are not disputed.
And in Syria, the Alawites (supported by Shia Iran) were the dominant group, until they were defeated by a mostly Sunni militia, supported by Sunni Saudi Arabia.
The world is full of tribes, clans, and peoples who side with each other.
In British Mandatory Palestine, the British relaxed restrictions that were specifically designed to prevent Jews from moving to the area; this created an increase in the Jewish population. The result of that increase was tension among some of the people who self-identified as Palestinian Arabs. Tension leads to conflict, which often expresses itself as violence.
So, yes, there were different sides and they fought each other. Again, this is well documented. This is part of human history; so I don't see what your point is and why you want to play make believe with history.
"So, I'm not sure why you want to pretend there was no violence."
In what universe am I pretending any such thing?
What is your point?
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Early Zionists syncretized many aspects of European fascism, white supremacy, colonialism and messianic Evangelism and had a long and sordid history of cooperating with anti-Semites, imperialists and fascists in order to promote exclusivist and expansionist agendas.
Hitler himself made an agreement with Zionist organizations for the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine between 1933 and 1939.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
What a load of misinformation and deception.
There were many different types of Zionists and Zionism; it is not one monolithic belief system, other than the desire (that all people share) for a homeland.
And the feeble attempts to dig up accounts of Jews "working" with Hitler are based on the fact that Jewish organizations sought to get Jews out of Nazi Germany, so they had to deal with the government that existed, which was…the Nazi government. It is obvious to anyone who isn't a simpleton that the motivations of Nazi Germany and Jewish groups were the exact opposite; the Nazi's followed Hitler's insane racial theories, while Jewish groups sought to save Jewish lives. It is the lowest form of cynicism to say they "agreed" on anything, and your claim about Jewish immigration is stretching the truth beyond any reasonable amount, because of your clear bias.
From your own source, it says "In the post-war period, the agreement has sometimes been cited by anti-Zionists, anti-Semites, and critics of Israel (Ken Livingstone, Lyndon LaRouche, Louis Farrakhan, Mark Weber, Joseph Massad, Mahmoud Abbas) as evidence of Nazi support for Zionism or Zionist collaboration with the Nazis." Clearly that is not the case, but your source shows what foul company you have. Was Lyndon LaRouche a hero? How about Louis Farrakhan?
As for the ICC, it is a joke and no one takes it seriously. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/20/defund-iccs-kangaroo-court-as-it-wages-anti-israel-lawfare/
Whether “all people” desire a “homeland” is debatable.
What’s not debatable is that no, not “all people” desire a “homeland” ruled by and for a specific ethnic group. Such a desire is not uncommon, but neither is it universal. Thank God.
OK, then I would amend my comment to say "most people on earth" desire a homeland, including you (you have not renounced your US citizenship, and you still enjoy the protection of your self and property by local, state, and federal officers, which would not be true if you moved to, say, Somalia or Haiti).
I think Thomas Paine considered himself a "citizen of the world," but in most cases, the 8.2 billion humans on earth wish to have a homeland.
Alternatively, the four million stateless people – including the Rohingya in Myanmar and Bangladesh and the Kurds – currently suffer greatly, denied basic human rights including education, formal employment and health care.
https://www.unhcr.org/us/stateless-people#:~:text=Who%20we%20protect-,Stateless%20people,prevent%20and%20end%20statelessness%20globally.
As for who rules each country, the vast majority are by a specific group. This is especially true in the Middle East. In Lebanon, for example, their constitution states that they must have a Maronite Christian president, a Sunni prime minister, and a Shiite speaker of the parliament. In Saudi Arabia, all rulers must be Muslim. In Iran, some groups – such as the Ba'hai – cannot participate in government; they are not even allowed to go to college.
"you have not renounced your US citizenship, and you still enjoy the protection of your self and property by local, state, and federal officers"
Check your premises.
I see, so you are an autonomous, stateless person? Like a sovereign citizen? Did you form your own country?
Still haven’t checked those premises, huh?
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Don't blame me if you can't handle the truth. Your feeble argument shows you're profoundly ignorant of historical facts..
As for the ICC, you're considered a genocide apologist that no one takes seriously.
History of Zionism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism
Until World War II, anti-Zionism was widespread among Jews for varying reasons. Orthodox Jews opposed Zionism on religious grounds, as preempting the Messiah, while many secular Jewish anti-Zionists identified more with ideals of the Enlightenment and saw Zionism as a reactionary ideology.
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Brave Israeli Historian Lectures Netanyahu on the formation of Israel.
Jewish Rabbi EXPOSES Israel at UN conference.
1. I support the truth, but you haven't presented anything vaguely accurate.
2. If my positions were "feeble," you could refute them, but you can't.
3. If my position was "ignorant," you could show that with verifiable fact. But you can't.
4. As to the ICC, you rely on cheap personal attacks, not rational arguments. The ICC is not some "world court" and is not even part of the UN. Is is basically a debate society. Israel is not a member and the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel.
5. As I said, the world "genocide" has a specific meaning, and it does not apply to the current war in Gaza. There are deaths among combatants and civilians as in any war; these would end if Hamas simply surrendered and stopped their illegal occupation of Gaza, but they do not wish to do this, so the war continues.
6. Yes, Jews have differing views of Zionism. There are also many different types of Zionism, so it's not clear which type you are referring to. So, you are simply stating well-known information; however, as Zionism means seeking a homeland for the Jews, your backhanded claim that seeking a homeland is "reactionary" is not accurate and not supported by anything you've presented; just another bumper sticker that lacks any evidence.
1. You bullshit like a Trumpanzee.
2. International law refutes your feeble argument. I presented accurate evidence.
3. Your position is that of a lying Zionist.
4. As to the ICC, you rely on cheap personal attacks, not rational arguments.
5. Palestine is a state party to the ICC and has accepted the ICC's jurisdiction over crimes committed on its territory, including Gaza and the West Bank (including East Jerusalem).
6. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. It's simply white settler-colonialism masquerading as religious ideology.
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The U.S. government falsely claimed that the North Vietnamese attacked the USS Maddox in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin, which led to the United States engaging directly in the Vietnam War. Turns out that the US Defense Department had deliberately skewed intelligence to create the impression that an attack had been carried out.
George Dubya Bush started a war in the Middle East on the pretense of a lie. The U.S. slaughtered 0ver 1.2 million Arabs in the name of God.
"I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
— George W. Bush
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Remind me again who created terrorism by bombing the King David Hotel in 1946. It’s on the tip of my tongue.
Nice list. The first entry is wrong. USA never bombed mainland China in the Korea war. It was talked about and many believe General Macarthur was fired because he wanted to bomb China.
The U.S. did bomb China during the Korean War, though it was primarily focused on targets in North Korea and areas near the border with China. General Douglas MacArthur, at one point, wanted to bomb Chinese bases and factories in Manchuria and destroy bridges across the Yalu River. The U.S. also bombed industrial cities in North Korea and China, according to Wikipedia.
In your zeal to say nothing and panic attack you listed at least a couple of leftist and communist organizations. Edit your list.
Sony
Toshiba
shiitake mushroom
Honda
Judo
Hitachi
Nintendo
Samurai
Yamaha
Mitsubishi
Sashimi
Lmao!
Hey, that’s the start of a great Iron Maiden tune.
Great band but I was referring to Revelation 12:12
Even with all the apologists cleaning after you there comes a point when somebody listening to your words and observing your actions must start believing you.
But who hears it?
Not the US tax payers. They are shielded from truth.
It’s something Israelis have to grapple with.
Dread, you must be telepathic or somehow got inside my head.
Egypt banned Hamas and branded it a terrorist organization.
Jordan banned Hamas in 1999. In 2013, Jordan rejected requests to allow Hamas to return.
Hamas and Lebanon’s Hezbollah disagreed and were fighting with each other in recent Syrian civil war (Sunni/Shiite conflict), leaving a half million dead and 12 million displaced.
Even Syria said- Hamas is an uninvited guest
Saudi Arabia says they will arrest Hamas members on the spot
The Geneva Convention banned genocide, and the ICC issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant. Zionism is terrorism.
Saudi Arabia Delivers Blistering Rebuke to Israėl at the ICJ.
Which includes Hamas' genocidal attack and rounding up hundreds of Israeli hostages of all ages on Oct 7, which includes 5000 rockets fired into civilian populated areas. Glad to see Netanyahu put a stop to it.
Hamas purposely and intentionally invited Israel into Gaza on Oct 7th. And Israel accommodated them.
"Glad to see Netanyahu put a stop to it."
Don't you get it? That's the joke. He didn't stop it. He killed his countrymen, can't save the rest and Hamas is giving Israel a pretty big whipping. Why is it every time there is a ceasefire which is almost the only time captives are released, Hamas and the resistance celebrate and Israel is depressed, dejected and defeated?
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"Hamas is giving Israel a pretty big whipping" Care to explain?
Not really, but I saw another one of those captive videos on aljazeera Arabic of one of the Israelis saved by Hamas in one of those tunnels after an Israelis bombing. He said many things, among them had the captives been one of Netanyahu's children they would've stopped the war to release them. He begged Israelis to save him.
Israel is a nuclear power. Yet it has lost so much, and you think killing Palestinians and destroying their homes is strength. However, the Palestinian resistance is bleeding israel one cut at a time. People like you are bigots who think they're group is better than others, and others are less worthy of humanity, justice and respect.
When people like that can't accomplish their goals over people they see as inferior, they despair, lash out and become that which they hate. Hamas is still intact and ambushing Israeli soldiers nearly at will. They recently detonated one of those 2000 unexploded bombs in an ambush.
Those ambush at will are not accomplishing much are they? And now Hamas is shooting Palestinians civilians as they hunt for food. If Israel is allowed to keep up the blockade, Hamas will collapse.
A test of wills. A thousand cuts –one at a time. And there you again with your sick bigotry. Israel is trying to sow chaos and starve the population so it can pounce, and Hamas is still maintaining control and order.
You live in a bizarre fantasy world.
The people of Gaza are sick of Hamas and would get rid of these gangsters if there was any sort of election, but Hamas is afraid to let the people decide. Protests are banned and protesters are tortured and killed. That is what a mafia like Hamas does to control through fear and bullying.
They (Hamas) had foolishly and arrogantly gambled with the lives of the people of Gaza, and they lost; they hoped that a large attack on Oct. 7 would inspire the rest of the Arab and Muslim world to join them, but this effort was a miserable failure. All they managed to do was torture and kill old women, toddlers, and babies; no one joined their barbaric attack; and since then, Iran's paper tigers (Sinwar, Nasrallah, and thousands of Hamas thugs) have been killed.
Welcome back @disqus_dw0PWv6cnf:disqus. Hamas is Israel's biggest nightmare. It's the resistance movement that won't go away. Every day that goes by Israel gets weaker and the resistance gets stronger.
Hamas is just the latest group of thugs; nothing new or special about them, and the only thing they "resist" is reality.
The only nightmare is the world that Hamas has brought to Gaza; first, by their illegal occupation and ruthless control; then, by stealing money from aid for their own pockets; then, launching a brutal and pointless attack on their neighbor, completely destroying the hopes of the people for a future.
As for the "resistance" getting stronger – do you actually believe that, or are you just trying to convince yourself? Hezbollah is in tatters; what's left of Hamas is hiding behind women and children like cowards; al-Assad ran like a scared dog to Moscow; the Houthis are talking peace; and the Iranian leadership jump every time they hear a car backfire. But, as I've said, you are free to population your make believe world with whatever fantasies you want.
It’s those who resist reality make history and forge the future. Israel and the West have declining populations while the Muslim world is relatively young and expanding. You can’t defeat Hamas in Gaza much less face what’s coming. Several weeks ago a respected body of scholars obligated the jihad on Muslim governments. They are timid but the youth are heeding the call. BTW, almost everything you said is demonstrably false but you keep manufacturing lies.
Wishful thinking.
By hiding among women and children and forcing Israel to cause civilian casualties, Hamas can use those deaths as part of their propaganda campaign.
Israel has set as their goal the extermination of Hamas, so they will continue to fight until that goal is achieved. Hamas wants to be the Vietcong or the Taliban and just out-wait the Israelis, who they think are weak and divided, but after Oct. 7, they showed the Israelis have no choice but to destroy Hamas.
As they showed in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and Iran, they will continue until they accomplish their goal.
Israel was willing to ignore Hamas and let them build up Gaza after Hamas illegally occupied the territory, but Hamas chose to attack Israel. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood believe in a long-term strategy – over decades or even centuries – but this round of the battle was a massive failure for Hamas. They achieved nothing, received no support – even from other Arab and Muslim nations – and destroyed their own people and territory.
"Hamas' genocidal attack?" LMFAO!
1,200 dead is not considered a genocide.
The UN General Assembly:
Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle.
Are you glad that Netanyahu purposely and intentionally killed Israeli citizens on Oct 7? #HinnibalDirective
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There are 14.8 million Palestinians, according to their own estimate. Hamas claims that there have been 50,000 fatalities in the Gaza war. Israel says 20,000 have been Hamas fighters.
So, the total Palestinian deaths account for about 0.02% of the total Palestinian population. That hardly qualifies as "genocide", especially when Palestinians living in Israel have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world.
The number of civilian casualties are quite typical – even low – for urban warfare.
Plus, there would be zero casualties if Hamas didn't attack Israel on Oct 7, or if they surrendered at any time and gave up their weapons and hostages. This war and the results are entirely due to their actions.
Your hasbara is typical for a pro-Zionist bullshit artist.
This war and all previous wars are entirely due to the illegal actions of Zionist settler-colonialism.
The Gaza death toll is now over 51,000 as Trump gave Netanyahu the green light to continue his genocidal war crimes with total impunity.
Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established. https://apnews.com/article/hamas-khalil-alhayya-qatar-ceasefire-1967-borders-4912532b11a9cec29464eab234045438
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Your feeble response is feeble on many levels.
1. You provide shallow bumper sticker comments and personal attacks – a sign of no argument, as in your case. You should stick with teaching at Harvard.
2. The Gaza death toll is unknown, as Hamas is unreliable, but I don't dispute that figure in my estimation. It is typical of urban warfare. There were more than 20,000 civilian deaths in France following D-Day. Was that "genocide"? Of course not.
3. Israel is not a "colonizer". You cannot colonize a country that your people come from. You ignore history to fit your sad little, intellectually lazy, and uninformed narrative.
4. In terms of Gaza, Jewish history there goes back to Ancient times, prior to the Muslim conquest and re-conquest after the Crusades. In fact, you have things backwards. Hamas illegally occupies Gaza; the PA runs Gaza but it was taken over by Hamas in a violent coup. Check your facts now and then; you will be less likely to embarrass yourself.
5. Read the Hamas charter. Hamas exists to destroy Israel – every inch of it. So, your claim is shallow and meaningless. https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
It is worth noting that Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is at war with Egypt. The MB was supported and inspired by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. I'm sure you already knew that. They were the first to translate "Mein Kampf" into Arabic. And the Hamas charter refers to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as a factual document. https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/06/27/ANALYSIS-The-Nazi-roots-of-Muslim-Brotherhood
1. You provide a pathetically shallow argument whilst denying international law.
2. The Gaza death toll is well over 52,000.
3. Zionism is settler colonialism. Many early leading Zionists such as Theodor Herzl, Max Nordau, and Ze'ev Jabotinsky described Zionism as colonization.
4. In terms of Gaza, the UN reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of Palestinian people for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle.
5. The 2017 Hamas Charter says they would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established on the 1967 borders.
6. Early Zionists syncretized many aspects of European fascism, white supremacy, colonialism and messianic Evangelism and had a long and sordid history of cooperating with anti-Semites, imperialists and fascists in order to promote exclusivist and expansionist agendas.
Are we to infer that the Shoah didn't take place when the first 20k Jews were killed by the Nazis? Do you choose to be racist, or did your parents raise you that way?
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"Egypt banned Hamas and branded it a terrorist org-"
gosh yea – why can't increasing majorities of israelis demanding permanent ceasefire now see it like the war criminal netanyahu government and its zionist settler death squads?
USA gave Egypt and Jordan billions of tax dollars to keep their peace treaties with Israel.
And it worked. Peace has existed between Israel and those two countries. Does it matter how it came to be?
Of course it matters. "Peace" cannot be bought. At least not real peace.
Well it has been bought in this case. Both Egypt and Jordan militaries are dependent on US supplied weapons. The peace between Egypt and Israel has held for 46 years. And there is no indication of it collapsing. You must be so disappointed that two Arab countries have found a way to have real peace with Israel. Some day, the Saudis and Israel will come to an agreement. That will be a sad day Israel haters.
Take away the bribes and take away US support for Israel and then you'll see real peace. And if the US buys off the Saudis, the peace between Israel and the Saudis will be just as phony. But somehow you think everyone having their finger on the trigger because there isn't an ounce of trust is a good thing.
Every other country in the area, and many non-Western countries in the rest of world
either have oil, receive foreign aid, or suffer abject poverty.
The treaties with Jordan and Egypt demonstrate that Israel seeks peaceful relations with nations that do not attack their people or try to kill them.
Jordan has a large Palestinian population, and they are able to live peacefully with Israel. Egypt and Israel cooperate on Gaza, as both do not support Hamas, which seeks to overthrow both countries' governments.
Hamas – which illegally occupies Gaza – could have taken a peaceful approach, and spent the billions of dollars in aid that it received on creating a peaceful and prosperous Gaza.
Instead, they stole billions – either for their leadership, or for military purposes (tunnels, RPGs, rocket and missiles, IEDs, military computers, bullets, hand grenades, military gear, etc.) with the sole purpose of killing Israelis – as they said they would.
The result is the inevitable and predictable war in Gaza, and the destruction of much of Gaza's infrastructure.
Israel is living on borrowed time. Is that why don't live there?
Ha ha. Yes, that has been true for 2,000 years. However, as noted, Israel has defeated its enemies, and has a thriving, high-tech economy. They are producing new medicines, jets, computers, and software.
Meanwhile, Hamas is hiding in rat holes, and the Iranian theocracy is in bad shape. Iran has lost the support of the majority (80%) of their own people, and even their base is seeing their strategy of spending billions to support proxies in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and Gaza was a massive, costly failure. They also now face a hostile US administration, and their friends in Russia are failing, as well; if the war in Ukraine ends soon, Iran will have nothing to offer Russia or China; they will just be another failed state…a liability, like Syria was.
So, you can live in a fantasy world, where "someone" destroys Israel; that's your choice. You can choose delusion over reality. Why not?
Israel also lived in a fantasy world, where they thought Hamas wanted peace. So, left them alone; but Hamas shattered that belief. Like you, they only believe in one thing: the complete and utter destruction of every inch of Israel. You and Hamas are quite clear. OK, so be it. What that means is there is no room for compromise, no negotiations, no middle ground. Israeli will completely destroy Hamas, and Gaza will be like Carthage after the Romans: "Not one stone left on another."
The Romans not only destroyed every structure in Carthage, they salted the earth so nothing could grow there. Since 146 BC, nothing has.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Carthage_(Third_Punic_War)#:~:text=In%20early%20146%20BC%20the,who%20were%20sold%20into%20slavery.
Of course, maybe some professors of Middle East Colonialism studies at Harvard will stop them, or the UN, or the ICC or the ghost of Yahya Sinwar…Sure, that could happen.
Don't lose faith! Keep believing what you believe. You are winning!
I am not bound to Hamas. I am bound to moral principles. You are a supremecist. You delude yourself until you self destruct. We are watching mighty Israel with its citizens refusing to fight in Gaza, its Knesset members crying like babies when Israel was forced into a ceasefire, the division in Israeli society, etc. You think Israel is David. Unfortunately, neither is it David or Goliath, it's just psychotic with an inferiority complex. I love the Carthage example. However, your better off using the Masada example.
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I assume you were asking me why I don't live in Israel. I don't discuss where I live with strangers on the Internet, especially those who support violence against the United States and US allies.
The population of Israel is close to 10 million now, with a lot of growth in Tel Aviv and the capital, Jerusalem.
The quality of life is pretty high in Israel. Life expectancy is 82 years. That compares with 74 years in Iran, and 72 years in Russia. Even the Israeli Arabs live better than their neighbors.
Israel's "happiness index" is quite high – 8th in the world. It was 5th, but concerns about war and terrorism have lowered it (sad face). I don't know what the happiness index is for the people of Gaza, but I don't imagine it's terribly high, at the moment.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-ranks-as-8th-happiest-nation-in-global-survey-down-from-5th-last-year/
So, tell me – why don't you live in Gaza? You clearly support Hamas and their goals, and those of the Nazi Germany-trained Muslim Brotherhood. I think that is where you would feel most at home.
Yes, why don't you live there, or do you? You are a perfect specimen of the eternal racist faction of the Jewish people who live a dilemma. They are an insular group believing they are chosen or better than others, so they work extra hard but can't deal justly with people. Instead of self reflection, they oppress others. Even the word "happiness index" reflects the inferiority complex. Your economy is advanced, your powerful, etc. and to prove it you have to show me a rigged "happy index." You guys are incredible. Gazans are showing humanity what. a dignified life is all about.
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Well, at least you admit I am perfect.
As for being "racist," that is false. I do not judge issues based on race. In fact, it is the side you support – the Muslim Brotherhood – that was schooled in racial theory by the German government in the 1930s and 1940s, under Adolf Hitler, the faction you support (Hamas) that included racist documents such as the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in their charter. So, as usual, you have everything backwards.
But I do not support and have never advocated for anything based on race. In fact, Israel is a multi-racial society where all people are protected by the same rights, while you support Hamas's dictatorship in Gaza, which has ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews and which advocates a supremacist viewpoint of racial superiority.
You also seem to have a very superficial, stereotyped, and primitive understanding of other cultures, if you think that Jews are isolated or that they think they are "better than other people".
These sort of broad statements about an entire group of people are pretty much the definition of racist.
As to the Happiness Index, it is a well-known measurement that has nothing to do with Israel. It is associated with the UN, Oxford University, and various organizations. Once again, you only see the world through your own narrow viewpoint. It's almost as if you are insular, and feel you are superior to others…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report
Egypt and Jordan have no reason to engage in war with Israel. Israel and the US support their interests.
– Egypt sees the Muslim Brotherhood as their enemy. Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Jordan had a civil war the last time they allowed Palestinians into their country (Black September).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September#:~:text=Black%20September%20(Arabic:%20%D8%A3%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%88%D9%84%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%AF,continued%20until%2017%20July%201971.
The Society of the Muslim Brothers, better known as the Muslim brotherhood is a transnational Sunni Islamist organization founded in Egypt by Islamic scholar and schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna in 1928. (Wikipedia)
Is there a point here?
Egypt is at war with Hamas' parent organization the Muslim Brotherhood. They have no interest in helping Hamas.
The Saudis oppose Hamas and say people killed in Gaza should not be called "martyrs".
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/08/23/saudi-official-views-of-hamas/
Netanyahu's job is to make sure that Hamas can no longer commit another October 7th.
He aided and abetted O7. Get a clue!
Anything you have to say about that has not been determined by the ICJ or the ICC. If you have an contradictory evidence from either, please post it.
Statement of the International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Karim A.A. Khan KC:
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:
Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.
My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.
You're like a broken record.
Blah, blah, Yahya.
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Foreign assistance laws prohibit military aid to nuclear-armed countries that are not subject to IAEA inspections.
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ICC issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157286
That is insane.
Hardly. It's as obvious as obvious can be. They even butchered "many" of their own people to ensure it would happen.
Only in the eyes of Israel haters. The idea is insane, just like the idea that FDR promoted Pearl Harbor.
I gave you reasons before but as always you ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrative. Israel was given warning days in advance about a possible attack. By Egypt and their own soldiers. They failed to give the party organizers of the music festival a heads up about a possible attack. And the idea that Hamas could do a surprise attack on Israel is absurd. Somehow, they know where Hamas officials are dining, or which houses in Lebanon are hiding weapons but somehow this was just intelligence failures. And never mind what has happened since. No way this doesn't happen without a large number of dead Israelis. This wasn't the first war between Hamas and Israel but even though the number of killed was lopsided in those other skirmishes, they never got high enough on Israel's side to justify (in their minds and yours) what they are doing now. Israel proved me right. Me being an Israel hater is contingent on what Israel is doing. I'm like the Houthis in that regard.
Maybe you should tell HIM that.
“Whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.” — Benjamin Netanyahu, 2019
Palestinian Arabs have turned down every opportunity to build and independent nation. The last great opportunity was in 2000
2000 Camp David Summit – Barak offered to withdraw from 97 percent of the West Bank and 100 percent of the Gaza Strip. In addition, he agreed to dismantle 63 isolated settlements. In exchange for the 3 percent annexation of the West Bank, Israel would increase the size of the Gaza territory by roughly a third. Barak also made previously unthinkable concessions on Jerusalem, agreeing that Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem would become the capital of the new state. The Palestinians would maintain control over their holy places and have “religious sovereignty” over the Temple Mount. The proposal also guaranteed Palestinian refugees the right of return to the Palestinian state and reparations from a $30 billion international fund that would be collected to compensate them. —Arafat turned it down without a counter offer. He wanted the right of return for 4 to 5 million Palestinian so-called Arab refugees into Israel proper, which is not mathematically feasible and Arafat knew it. Camp David was the best offer Arafat was ever going to get. Obviously a very bad choice to keep the status quo and begin more attacks on Israel. Very bad choice!
Jerusalem was not Israel’s to dispose of. Per UNR 181 it belongs to neither the state of Israel nor the state of Palestine.
"Jerusalem was not Israel's to dispose of." It is now. A 77 year old obsolete proposal which never defined borders is not going to change what has occurred. Israel rescued the West part of Jerusalem from the Arabs who tried to starve the Jewish people in 1948. Over 1300 Israelis died to protect the people living in West Jerusalem. Than in 1967 capture the East part of the city from Jordan. Jordan did not want it back.
Israel agreed to the UNR 181 borders in 1949 as a condition of UN membership.
Those borders have not since magically changed, no matter how strongly you fantasize otherwise.
First UNR 181 never used the word border. You have augured that Egpyt Isreal peace agreement never defined the borders between the two nations because they did not used the word border but instead the word boundary just like 181 did. So 181 never define the borders just proposed boundaries between two groups of people. Not borders of any nation.
Second UNR 273 resolution which admitted Israel never mention UNR 181.
So those borders that you claim don't magically exists no matter how you fantasize. The really is very different from your fantasy.
I see…so, when Gaza has a Palestinian majority, it is Palestinian land (even though most of the people of Gaza were from Egypt). Then, ethnically cleanse Gaza of Jews – despite two thousands years of Jewish history in Gaza.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Gaza_City
Meanwhile, Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority as far back as 1844…but it should belong to "the world" (as if that were possible), and the people who formed the majority have no say in the city. Sure, that makes sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusalem
Obviously you don't see. I said nothing about majorities.
Israel agreed to the borders in UNR 181 as a condition of UN membership.
And under that agreement, Israel's borders do not encompass Jerusalem.
That's just how it is.
"Netanyahu's job is to make sure that Hamas can no longer co-"
not even israelis buy that anymore – majorities say ceasefire now.
Just like 911, USS Liberty, Covid "pandemic", Biden's "win" in the 2020 election and just about every other "official narrative", LIES are the "foundation" for massive crimes against humanity. October 7 hadn't (wasn't) even been investigated before the world condemned ALLEGED actions by Hamas on October 7, 2023! The whole war in the Middle East (just like the Ukraine/Russia war) is based on LIES! These are WAR CRIMES atop war crimes!
None of your conspiracy theories have ever panned out. Give the readers your best example with confirmation????
As far as Hamas on Oct 7th, they videoed their own handiwork for the internet and have taken great pride in their mass murder and hostage taking.
None of this are examples of what Tom posted, but nice try.
I have been to war and seen samples of how both side violated the rules of war. That is why Hamas should not have initiated this and they could stop it an any time in the last 19 months by laying down their arms and releasing all the hostages, they respond with "We love death…." and that there will be more Oct 7's, leaving Israel with no choice but to continue.
….. on to its destruction.
Did you kill Palestinians?
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When you have nothing….you post memes.
What a dope.
When you have no argument, you post pro-war hasbara. What a bullshit artist.
Situation in the State of Palestine: ICC Pre-Trial Chamber I rejects the State of Israel’s challenges to jurisdiction and issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant. https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
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Give it a break, you pathetic moron. None of your bullshit pans out.
IDF soldiers are livestreaming their war crimes, which can be used as evidence by the ICC.
One doesn't disprove the other.
The only thing you have proven is that you can't have an adult conversation, but you proved that a long time ago.
The only thing you have proven is that you are a bald-faced liar with the morals of a Trumpanzee.
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You are a waste of time and have very little of substance to say. I just blocked you.
YAY!
That stupid. The idea that trump won in 2020 is just insane.
Of course it is. But insane people are detached from reality.
Total delusional nonsense. Nearly everything you wrote is absurd to the point of satire of a crazy person.
You have zero proof and zero credibility. You make Ashraf seem almost coherent. (Almost).
If only Netanyahu knew exactly where the hostages were located. That way he could solve his problem with a "ton" of help from the US.
*Just in case. Ton = 2,000 lb bomb.
TONS…!
A USA tax paid 2,000 lb bomb.
That goes without saying.
Has this not been clear from the beginning? I mean, if your concern is the hostages, do you bomb the places they may be held indiscriminately with mega-bombs or do you use intelligence and commandos and negotiations to get them out as safely as possible?
Or expect them to be fed if you don't allow food in.
You're lucky. You have a brain capable of logic, unlike almost everyone else.
It never was, but he wanted them and used them for his "Grater Israel" project.
Reacting to Netanyahu's statement, "The Hostages and Missing Families Forum said…freeing the captives should be Israel’s main goal."
Reminder – This is not just the demand of a few 'affected families.' Those families voice the dominant political will of Israeli citizens:
The war criminal Netanyahu's statement is unpopular and anti-democratic: large and increasing majorities of Israelis now demand the ceasefire deal that the Netanyahu government unilaterally broke.
"69% of Israelis, 54% of coalition voters back ending war in exchange for hostages — poll" (Times of Israel, 3/28/25)
"Majority of public continues to break with PM in backing end to war for hostages — poll" (Times of Israel, 4/21/25)
"For the First Time Since Oct. 7, a Broad Israeli Backlash Against the War in Gaza: Israelis want the hostages home, even if it means ending the fighting" (Foreign Policy, 4/30/25)
from FP: "Polls have shown for months now that a solid majority of Israelis—even among those who voted for the Netanyahu coalition—support ending the war to release the hostages."
Another words… For the Greater Israel project… the scarification of a few citizens is normal…!
We demand Israel "voluntarily" dismantles itself.
LOL. Got any other fantasies?
Israel will cave before the resistance gives up. As long as their is occupation, land theft, killing and humiliation there will be resistance. The problem is Israel has more to lose. If Israel does not self dismantle, it will be dismantled by force. Israel has been warned. Israelis have no one to blame but themselves.
Clearly your fantasy is the destruction of Israel, and your sympathies are with Hamas, the group of thugs that illegally occupies Gaza. You can't even admit that they are not there legally.
The reason they are losing is because they can't face reality and accept peace.
Try holding your breath. That might do the trick.
As Israel squirms for its very existence, the resistance grows stronger every day. It's funny how you and your buddies on these chats overlooked or didn't mention that Jordan recently outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood. You would think that's great and falls inline with the nonsense that Zionists spew about the MB
However, it indicates something else…. The Islamic resistance is growing and threatening the king of Jordan. Most pundits including those here say the Syrian government is serving US and israeli interests, yet Israel bombs Damascus. Everyone is desperate to shut down the growing Islamic resistance to Israel. Israel is AFRAID
My humble advice if you are an Israeli is responsibly dismantle Israel yourselves properly, promptly and permanently before it is dismantled.
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Your descriptions are wildly delusional. You think Hamas is thriving and Israel is near collapse?
Israel has been growing dramatically. It has a GDP that exceeds $500 billion/year, compared, for example, to Iran's sinking $400 billion/year. It is a world leader in many computer, software, and military technologies. It is an ally of the strongest military on the planet. It recently wiped out several enemies, including those in Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza.
Why do you think Jordan banning the MB is some sort of success? Hamas is part of the MB, which is also banned in Egypt. Clearly Jordan and Egypt are pro-Western, as opposed to the failing anti-Western Arab and Muslim nations – Iran, Yemen, and Syria.
As to the Syrian government, it remains to be seen whose interests it serves, although the grotesque and hated al-Assad is clearly gone. It seems to only serve Saudi interests. The Saudis are pro-Western (more or less), and they share Iran as a common enemy with Israel, the US, and Egypt, so I can't see what you point is.
Some Arabs and Muslims have been talking about "resisting" the West since the Crusades, but they have been in retreat for centuries. Sorry, the Golden Age of the 10th century is over, and it is delusional thinkers like you, and your hero Bin Laden, and your heroes Hamas, Iran, and the Houthis, who are holding back their people. Meanwhile, China and the rest of the world are moving forward with new technologies – AI, robots, high-speed rail, space travel, city building – while you dwell in the past. Suit yourself. It sounds like you have plenty of fantasies to compensate for the dismal failures you ignore.
Please, keep it up. The last thing the world wants is for you to wake up from your dream.
I sense desperate projection in your posts. Muslims are not looking to recreate a "Golden Age" and Israel is not all powerful. You will see where the twain shall meet.
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I see…so, you are a psychiatrist, as well as a political analyst? What medical school did you go to?
I can't speak for what "Muslims" want, but Hamas and other groups refer to Islamic history in their charters and other public documents. The history of the Middle East includes conflicts such as the Crusades and Crusader kingdom wars that are considered models or reference points for the current conflict between Israel and Hamas. You should look into this to be better informed.
No one is "all powerful". I never said that and I don't believe that. We are all just human beings and we all die.
However, there have been wars in the Middle East for 2,000 years, and the wars ended when one group defeated the other. Babylonians, Romans, Crusaders, Ayyubids, Persians, Mongols, Mamluks, the Ottoman empire, the British empire…none were all powerful. They come and go. Time will tell about the Israelis. But thanks to Hamas and people like you, they will no longer naively think there can be peace.
Oh, I don't pretend to be a psychiatrist, any layperson will tell you the same thing. In this case everyone sees the psychological disorder except the ones experiencing it. I do have a BA and MA in history though. And of course you and your ilk are human beings, you just happen to be bad human beings.
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So, anyone who disagrees with Hamas or its Nazi Germany-trained and inspired parent organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, is a "bad human being".
And I assume you are also a big fan of Hitler favorite al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who recruited for the SS?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
Good to know where you stand.
However, if you are going to use psychological terms, you should 1) know what they mean; and 2) present evidence to support your claims. You have failed to do either.
Anyone who disagrees with basic moral principles is bad. First of all millions of people like Norman Finkelstein, John mersheimer, candace owens, etc are not Muslim ir Hamas yet they agree about the genocide that you are a part of.
This propaganda about Husseini is laughable. Your Zionist buddies who collaborated with Nazis did real harm compared to the imagined harm you attribute to alhusseini. He was meeting with heads of a state.
As for the psychological terms as a layperson I’m 100% right.
The problem with most of your arguments is that they lack proof and are circular. And none of the people you site support Hamas and their beliefs.
And your facts are absurd and illogical. Clearly, Jewish organizations that were trying to get Jews out of Nazi Germany in the 1930s had to negotiate with the government that was there; but their goals were to save Jewish lives. Al-Husseini clear was sympathetic to the Nazis for the exact opposite purpose – when he recruited for the SS or toured the Nazi death camps, it was out of sympathy for the Nazi doctrine of extermination. The simple proof of this is reading the Hamas charter, which shows they influence of Germany thought. Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, the group that translated "Mein Kampf" into Arabic.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp
"And that supreme objective is victory over our enemies." i.e., Israel v. the World
Not freeing hostages is actually a priority, in order to justify the ongoing of the war.
Obviously it never was.
Another snake caught in a trap designed by its own overstuffed ego and abject ignorance.
USA Secretary of State George Marshall, whose reputation stood high, was reported to be disappointed with the Haganah's [later the Israeli Defense force] showing and now thought partition a mistake, a view sustained by James Forrestal, Secretary of Defence, and a generous battery of officials who held that the United States could afford no longer to compromiser her Arab interest. Their thoughts revolved around abandoning partition and returning Palestine to the trusteeship of the United Nations. (Chaim Weizmznn, a Penguin Book, by Norman Rose, P-435)
November 27, 1947: U.N. General Assembly resolution 181: (USA voted for) recommended that Palestine be divided into an Arab state, a Jewish state, and a separate international zone "corpus separatum" for Jerusalem as a way to avoid conflicts between Arab and Jew over their political claims to Jerusalem, and among the three monotheist religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, over their attachments to religious sites.
And plan 181 failed. The Arabs nations attacked the new nation of Israel with intent of destroying Israel. Well it did not work for the Arabs. And for the record, the USA embargo arms to Israel in that conflict. Lucky for the Israel the communists did not, particularly Czechoslovakia.
2015-2023, United Nations General Assembly adopted 154 resolutions against Israel.
Yes, with 49 Islamic nations, the UN has zero credibility in a conflict with Israel and…49 Islamic nations.
Not that the UN has any credibility anyway.
Yes, along with 125 nations, Palestine is a state party to the International Criminal Court (ICC). Palestine became a member in 2015 and accepted the ICC's jurisdiction for crimes committed on its territory since June 13, 2014. This includes the genocide in Gaza.
ICC Pre-Trial Chamber rejects the State of Israel’s challenges to jurisdiction and issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant. https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
https://sonar21.com/demoting-michael-waltz-will-trump-avoid-a-war-with-iran/
Jeffrey Goldberg isn't a journalist any more than Tom Friedman.
Biblical's Abraham promise to the Hebrews: that their land, Eretz Israel, stretch from the Nile to the Euphrates. For them, the Golan Heights and the West Bank are not just so many settlements, but part of their divinely fixed patrimony. (A Death in Jerusalem, Maton, Pantheon Books, New York, P-x)
Biblical's Abraham, promise to the Hebrews [Bible] are myths [widely held but false belief].
It never was in the the place, nor will ever be.