Hamas is ready to release all remaining Israeli hostages in Gaza at once in exchange for a permanent ceasefire, The Times of Israel reported on Thursday, citing a senior Palestinian official.
The report said that Israel has had a “longstanding rejection” of this kind of deal, and that’s why Hamas recently proposed it could release five hostages to renew a temporary ceasefire. However, Hamas also wanted a guarantee that Israel would commit to entering negotiations on reaching a permanent truce, which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to do.
Israel countered Hamas’s offer with a proposal for Hamas to release 11 hostages that didn’t include any commitment to hold talks on a permanent ceasefire. The senior Palestinian official speaking to the Times said that after the Israeli counterproposal, negotiations are at a “standstill.”
“The number of hostages is not the issue. If Israel demonstrates its intention to reach a permanent ceasefire, [Hamas is] prepared to release all of the hostages,” the Palestinian official said. “Israel only wants a partial agreement so that it can continue fighting. It wants [Hamas] to give up all the hostages without entering the second phase.”
Under the ceasefire deal signed in January, the second phase would have involved a permanent truce and full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. But Netanyahu refused to enter talks on the second phase and violated the agreement in multiple ways before restarting the genocidal war on March 18.
Israeli officials are demanding that Hamas not only release the hostages but also disarm and that its leaders leave Gaza. The senior Palestinian official said that Hamas was willing to cede control of Gaza to other Palestinians as part of a deal but that it would “never disarm” before the creation of a Palestinian state.
The official said that President Trump is the only person capable of ending Israel’s genocidal campaign on Gaza but that he has decided to “give Netanyahu a green light to open the gates of hell on Gaza.”
The US has fully supported Israel unilaterally ending the ceasefire deal and imposing a total blockade on all goods entering Gaza. Since March 18, US-backed Israeli attacks on Gaza have killed more than 1,000 Palestinians, including many children.
Once again, Israel refuses to negotiate in good faith. The whole idea of Israel is continued expansion. This has nothing to do with the Old Testament, just a bunch of Europeans who are all about vengeance and greed pretending to be the chosen ones. We need to pull the financial plug on all of this. Sadly, with Trump that will never happen.
"Sadly, with Trump that will never happen." Nor any president elected from the duopoly.
Egypt banned Hamas and branded it a terrorist organization. Even put up a steel wall to keep them out.
Jordan banned Hamas in 1999. In 2013, Jordan rejected requests to allow Hamas to return.
Hamas and Lebanon’s Hezbollah disagree and were fighting with each other in recent Syrian civil war (Sunni/Shiite conflict).
Syria says- Hamas is an uninvited guest
Saudi Arabia says they will arrest Hamas members on the spot
That an odd reply to that comment. ButI get it. Hamas bad. Which means Israel can kill anything that moves and be justified.
With All American weapons, intelligence, targeting.
If that were true, there would not be over two million Gazans still alive after a year and half of bombing. Israel has the capacity to turn Gaza into parking lot in one day.
Hamas has had a year and half to lay down their arms and release all the hostages, which would have ended this who mess that they initiated on Oct 7th.
Israel has the capacity to turn Gaza into a parking lot in one day … but doing so would entail turning quite a bit of Israel into a parking lot as well.
Israel has had time to lay down its arms and release all the hostages it holds, too. And it’s far less likely to do so than Hamas is.
Nice try, keep supporting Hamas and see how that works out for the good people of Gaza.
If you're dumb enough to think TLK is the sort to support ANY side in an idiot-fest, we REALLY can't help what's wrong with you.
It is true regardless how many they have killed so far. Otherwise, they wouldn't still be receiving billion$ of military aid or Trump's green light to bring "all hell" upon the Palestinians in Gaza.
And once more you try to blame Hamas for Israels barbaric response to Oct 7th. And once more it's bullshit. Israel disregarded the innocent noncombatants from the very beginning, there is just no denying that. They even killed innocent Israeli noncombatants. That's how REAL terrorists operate.
The correct quote is: “I’m speaking for myself. Israel can override it, but from myself, Saturday at 12 o’clock, and if they’re not – they’re not here, all hell is going to break out”
So? It doesn't change what I said. They can kill anything that moves.
You changed the quote to fit your false narrative.
I didn't change the meaning of the quote one iota.
Yes it does, that why you changed it.
I didn't CHANGE the quote. I didn't even USE the quote. Trumps meaning was obvious.
You've made a false assertion to support YOUR narrative.
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"Egypt banned Hamas & branded it a terrorist orga-"
Netanyahu's strategy: strengthen Hamas to weaken moderate Palestinian Authority's two-state solution.
That is – after the PLO moderated – accepting Israel and 2 states – Israel pumped-up Palestine's militant wing to continue rejecting two states – and, now, in order to justify genocide and ethnic cleansing:
2006 "Hamas, Son of Israel….Israel did much to launch Hamas as an effective force, antiwar 1/27/06
2023 "For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces [N's] policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood…" (Times of Israel 10/8/23)
2023 "Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance: N's policy was to keep Hamas in power Haaretz, 10/20/23
2024Not-so-secret history of Netanyahu support for Hamas: Bibi…spent his career bolstering Hamas to help perpetuate the conflict. +972, 11/11/24
With or without Netanyahu, the Hamas ambition to destroy Israel and replace it with an Islamic State remains the same.
"With or without Netanyahu, the Hamas ambition to destroy Israel and replace it…remains the same."
Advance thanks for supporting an otherwise worthless claim – the cited evidence shows Netanyahu governments' support for Hamas was critical in growing it into a militant power.
This supports my assertion that neighbouring States, at the time, recognized (or realised) that Hamas was an agency of the Apartheid State of Israel and kept them at arm's length.
Leading me to wonder a bit now, if modern Hamas isn't still an ASI false-flag operative to "allow" Palestinian genocide to happen – still under the ASI's control.
The operational word "elected" is perhaps somewhat misleading in a system where the choice is between politicians who are all bought to serve the special interests of their billionaire buyers, the same billionaire buyers on both sides, and elections are much, much more about funds than votes. This is everywhere the case, be it to a different extent. The American system is just one of those most closely resembling the definition of corruption: the abuse of public office for private gain.
Point taken, forgive me I'm from the pre-Clinton days before corporate capture and citizens united. Ever heard of Judge Greene?
I submit "installed by" for "elected from."
"forgive me I'm from the pre-Clinton days…Ever heard of Judge Greene?"
No…but could ya' write down his first name, and I'll look him up in the phone book?
Lol – you got me – Phone Book:)
What's that??
What's what? Judge Greene? He presided over the landmark '82 breakup of the AT&T natural monopoly believed to have spurred the communications revolution we've had since.
Was…was it Lorne Greene, possibly of the same era ?
Of the 22 so-called Arab Countries, how many of those Countries support Hamas and their methods? Please do not dodge the question.
Why do you think Hamas cannot get a seat at the UN table? There are 57 declared Muslim States at the UN General Assembly, all members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the largest voting bloc at the UN General Assembly.
And that has WHAT to do with the American election system being corrupt?
Just a bit of anti-Hamas propaganda as a "pop-up ad" where it isn't relevant.
Read: anti-Palestinian
Because corruption is universal, and the reason you and I know so much about our own corruptions is because a have a right, left, centrist, independent, and foreign press covering every thing we do. Our politicians cannot even scratch themselves with someone exposing it.
Of the 22 so-called Arab Countries, how many of those Countries support Hamas and their methods? Please do not dodge the question.
Why do you think Hamas cannot get a seat at the UN table? There are 57 declared Muslim States at the UN General Assembly, all members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the largest voting bloc at the UN General Assembly.
That was your response to a comment about America's corrupt elections. So, once more, tell me what that has to do with the American election system being corrupt? Other than you making sure you repeat your Hasbara talking points about Hamas regardless of if they are relevant to the conversation. You been doing it on other comment sections too. Hamas bad terrorists. Israel good terrorists.
Because the article is about Hamas, and the knucklehead tried to change the subject to our corruption.
No, he didn't. He replied to a comment that was about our duopoly. It was you that tried to change the subject by bringing up irrelevant Hasbara talking points.
The article has nothing to do with our elections. You guys need to be put back on track, cause you can't answer the hard questions.
He wasn't commenting on the article. And your questions are nothing more than deflections from what ISRAEL is doing.
Nice try! Israel is doing what it has to do to rid Gaza of this terrorist organization. What do you support Hamas?
Israel is doing terrorism. Plain and simple. And they don't have to.
What do you support Hamas?
I assume you meant "why", and the answer is, I don't. But that is another Hasbara tactic. Accuse anyone bitching about Israel's willingness to kill innocent noncombatants as being pro Hamas. My profile is wide open. Go find something where I offer support for Hamas. I'll wait.
"My profile is wide open."
Unlike the secretive p's.
"the article is about Hamas, and the knucklehead tried to change the subject to our corruption."
The comment pointed out that Israel's war crimes are enabled by the U.S. – whose foreign policy support of Israel is increased by the US's anti-democratic 'rich donor' politics.
So it was no "change" of "subject" at all – not only the US in general, but US big money politics in particular critically enable Israel's crimes.
It may well be that these countries recognize that Hamas was created by Israel. Not emotionally or spiritually – Israel literally formed and funded Hamas in the early days as a counterweight to the PLO.
Some States are slow to offer trust in institutions even long after a divergence.
Hamas was created by the Muslim Brotherhood and Israel accepted them when they were a charity, but when the Hamas covent came out in 1988, calling for the "obliteration" of Israel, the game was on.
“Anyone who opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds from Qatar to Hamas, thus thwarting the establishment of a Palestinian state.” — Benajmin Netanyahu, 2019
“In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas. … Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. ” — Ehud Barak, 2023
The money for was humanitarian aid. Of course that backfired. Quit pulling stuff out of context.
And thank you President Obama—
Apr 18, 2011 — Netanyahu "expressed his deep appreciation for US funding for the 'Iron Dome' rocket and mortar defense system"
Aug 5, 2014 — WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama signed a bill granting an additional $225 million in funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense.
March 3, 2015— WASHINGTON (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is thanking the United States and President Barack Obama for aiding Israel, and warning of the threat that Iran poses to Israel’s survival.
July 30, 2012–Ehud Barak -also a former prime minister of Israel – said that though historically administrations from both political parties have supported the State of Israel, President Obama's support, security-wise, is unparalleled.
The money for was humanitarian aid. Of course that backfired. Quit pulling stuff out of context.
And yet Netanyahu said propping up Hamas would thwart "the establishment of a Palestinian state". So even if Netanyahu thought the money was being used for humanitarian purposes it still shows his real motive. And that is to prevent the Palestinians from having a viable state.
Hamas has been very honest about their ambition to destroy Israel.
I get it. You can't refute what I said so you're back to your Hasbara talking points.
Easy to refute as Palestinians can be a member state at the UN of they do not recognize the right of another member state to exist.
They cannot be a member state if they cannot control their own borders.
Palestinian Arabs had an offer to be an independent state with the 1947 UN Partition Resolution, and they would be celebrating 77 years of independent statehood today with pre-1967 borders. However, collective Arab Countries chose war instead and they lost. They chose war several more times and they lost. If you risk everything to gain it all , and when you lose, you don't get go back to the status quo each time.
That doesn't have a fucking thing to do with what I said about Netanyahu propping up Hamas. Thanks for proving my point with yet more Hasbara talking points.
"even if Netanyahu thought the money was being used for humanitarian purposes it still shows his real motive. And that is to prevent the Palestinians from having a viable state."
And – since pee says Hamas was "honest" re Israel – it also means Netanyatu governments knowingly chose that motive over the safety of Israeli and Palestinian lives.
"The money for was humanitarian aid. Of course that backfired. Quit pulling stuff out of context."
Nothing out of context – you've stated Hamas was "open" about its motives – Netanyahu supported it knowing those motives, for reasons he and right-wing commentators clearly stated.
And nothing "backfired:" What happened was that exactly what Israeli officials warned Netanyahu was risky actually happened. That's blowback. Which Netanyahu's radical right govt set Israel and Palestinians up for.
"“Hamas…is Israel’s creation,”…Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza …[said in 2009]…in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. 'I … suggest[ed] focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face.'" "Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It" Intercept, 2/19/18
What current world leader do you admire the most and why? And under what system of Government?
But clever by the ruling oligarchs adn tyrants. It gives people the illusion that they are free and that they are choosing their representatives.
Plus it always makes the people fight with each other instead of going after the crooks.
Most American adults keep showing up and pushing a button to continue it all. 150,000,000+ people in 2024 said "Gimmie gimmie more bombing!" 95% of them picked Genocide Joe or Genocide Don. I registered to vote in 1989 for a party that didn't even have ballot status in my state and kept voting for anti-war candidates who'd never win through to 2024, when we finally left the US. I even ran for the House on an anti-war platform in 2004. Is anyone responsible for anything? Surely Americans elect these clowns and choose war as a purpose and way of life. If we'd like to pretend no one had any idea war was bad until Vietnam (and Eisenhower and Rod Serling and Dalton Trumbo to name a few might differ), that was at this point so long ago that Vietnam vets are dying of old age, or at least what passes for same in the US.
"Sadly, with Trump that will never happen." Nor any president elected from the duopoly.
"!srael refuses to negotiate in good faith." I agree. It's amazing how people forgot about killing the negotiators. Nobody brings it up anymore!!
Hamas intentionally and deliberately invited Israel into Gaza on October 7th.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that committed a mass genocidal attack and rounded up hundreds of hostages of all ages, continues to fight, continues to hold hostages a year and half later, and still threaten that there will be more Oct 7's, leaving Israel with no choice but to continue.
And Israel has intentionally and deliberately responded to Oct 7th with terrorism that Hamas could only dream of doing.
Israel is a terrorist organization that is imposing collective punishment on the innocent Palestinian noncombatants in Gaza. Their rules of engagement cannot be considered anything less than terroristic in nature. And if Hamas' attack on Oct 7th is genocidal in nature than the dictionary doesn't possess a word that describes what Israel has done since.
Hamas has had a year and half to lay down their arms and release all the hostages, a choice they have had since the beginning of this mess that they initiated.
Hamas agreed to the offer laid down by the U.S., LAST MAY.
ISRAEL did not.
Israel had the choice to lift the brutal blockade that was imposed on Gaza in 2016, ended the night raids, ended the killing of Palestinian children (2300 murdered from 2000 to 7Oct), ended spoiling drinking water, ended allowing only a few hours of electricity (if that) each day.
Israel chose not to.
You know that the moment Hamas gave up all of the hostages, without getting a significant number of Palestinian hostages, Israel would have bombed Gazs anyway.
A war is not over until the last combat is either dead or lays down his arms, followed by terms of surrender. Otherwise Hamas will go right back to their stated ambition, which is the complete destruction of Israel.—- Please think before you post.
The world wants the dismantling of Israel. The longer Israel "fights, the faster it will disappear.
That has nothing to do with Israel's barbarism. Not a fucking thing. That was Israel's CHOICE.
No, this is what happens when Hamas, a terrorist organization mass murders Israelis and rounds up hostages of all ages, and then hides behind human shields.
Rule 97, Human Shields, Geneva Conventions Article 19, second paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention I provides: The responsible authorities shall ensure that [fixed establishments and mobile medical units] are, as far as possible, situated in such a manner that attacks against military objectives cannot imperil their safety.
Geneva Convention III Article 23, first paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention III provides: No prisoner of war may at any time be sent to, or detained in areas where he may be exposed to the fire of the combat zone, nor may his presence be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations. Convention (III) relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, Geneva, 12 August 1949, Article 23, first para.l
Geneva Convention IV Article 28 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV provides: “The presence of a protected persons may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.”
Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, Geneva, 12 August 1949, Article 28.
Additional Protocol I Article 12(4) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides: Under no circumstances shall medical units be used in an attempt to shield military objectives from attack. Whenever possible, the Parties to the conflict shall ensure that medical units are so sited that attacks against military objectives do not imperil their safety.
Wow, that is unbelievable. What you're saying is that since Hamas violated the Geneva conventions Israel had the right to do their own brand of terrorism. So, if one Hamas member is in amongst 100 innocents, Israel has every right to kill those 100 innocents and place the blame on Hamas? So, when Netanyahu was in the Hospital recently, that meant Hamas had the right to level that hospital? Sure, and no one would be screaming TERRORISM, am I right.
IDF loosened rules of engagement after Oct. 7, allowing more civilian deaths – NY Times
The investigation, which cited more than 100 soldiers and officials, including some 25 who helped plan, vet, or approve strikes, echoed some previous reports alleging widespread use of artificial intelligence software to select targets, as well as claims that a few strikes that targeted Hamas leaders endangered more than 100 noncombatants each.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-loosened-rules-of-engagement-after-oct-7-allowing-more-civilian-deaths-ny-times/
No, I am saying that Hamas violated every UN Rules of War and Geneva Conventions on Oct 7th to set the ground rules.
The Israeli occupier set the ground rules decades ago –and that was brutality and violence.
Two decades ago, every last Israeli and Israeli settlement was removed from Gaza and it appeased no one, as within weeks, Hamas rockets began to rain down on Israeli civilian populated areas.— Lesson learned!
Nonsense, it was tactical withdrawal to eat up the West Bank and the blockade was worse than the occupation itself. Everything was restricted including airspace. Even births in Gaza had to go through the occupying entity. And the rockets were primative and never represented a threat to Israel.
You can't be serious. I won't even respond to such utter nonsense.
You can't respond to because it is fact. If you had any contradictory evidence , you would have posted it.
I didn't respond because it's beyond preposterous. You actually believe Israel has the right to use terrorism if terrorism is used against them? And that's a FACT? You truly are a clown.
Then I'll do it.
P1. You claim (direct quote) "I am saying that Hamas violated every UN Rules of War and Geneva Conventions on Oct 7th"
P2. The Second Geneva Convention deals with the sick, wounded, and shipwrecked members of armed forces at sea.
P3. Hamas did not engage the IDF at sea "on Oct 7th" as you cite.
4. Conclusion – your assertion from Premise 1 is demonstrably a lie.
"Hamas violated…Geneva Conventions on Oct 7th to set the ground rules."
"Set the ground rules"? Only inside your murderous brain – not according to international law.
You're unwise (no surprise to us) to assert that Hamas violated "every" UNRoW and GC. All we need to is show one single "rule" in either treatise that Hamassian forces did not violate, and you're demonstrably a liar.
Just assert "most" or "many" and leave yourself a weasely 'out' when even that is proven false.
Hamas cares more for the well being of Israeli hostages than Israel does. The exchanges proved that.
Zionists prefer dead Palestinians to live Jews.
I repeat: The International Court of Justice (ICJ) –Statement of the International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Karim A.A. Khan KC:
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023
My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.
What does that have to do with my comment? I don't defend Hamas anymore than I defend Israel. But when it comes to terrorism, Israel has no peers.
Hamas is responsible for all deaths on both sides of this mess that they initiated and still threaten that there will be more October 7's, leaving Israel with no choice but to finish Hamas, regardless of what you think in your perfect world fantasy.
Hamas is responsible for what Hamas did and Israel is responsible for what Israel did. It's really quite simple. Israel had a multitude of choices at their disposal that could have saved tens of thousands of innocent noncombatants, and they choose instead to be ruthless barbarians. And to "finish Hamas", they again have no other choice but to be the ruthless barbarians. Of course, changing course now would be an admittance that their previous terroristic behavior wasn't justified. Can't have that.
If Israel was the "ruthless barbarian", there would not be two million Palestinians still alive in Gaza, given Israel's military capabilities.
I hope you don't think that Hamas, hiding behind human shields, was going to keep Israel from destroying them where they hide and keep their military assets. That would be quite naive during a war.
Yeah, you said that already and it's still bullshit. There isn't a number in which ruthless barbarism is measured. Killing tens of thousands of innocent noncombatants IS barbaric. PERIOD.
And you are right. I didn't think Israel wouldn't be willing to slaughter innocent noncombatants to destroy Hamas. That's what barbarians, who are unchecked, do.
Why don't you list those war crimes? Attacking a military base is not a war crime.
In case anyone forgot—- Statement of the International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Karim A.A. Khan KC:
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:
Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.
My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.
1. Do you notice how he had to say the "State of Palestine." Because these apply to states, not to non state actors such as a n armed resistance movement.
2. All those provisions listed have defenses.
3. There was no evidence of rape.
4. The killing that did take place can be attributed to Israel a. for its cowardice in retreating and leaving a vacuum and b. for killing its own people in its cowardice and the Hannibal directive.
5. Hamas' military raid was so spectacularly successful that other groups and civilians got in on the operation and to the extent murder, torture or rape took place it would have been individual liability. Neither Hamas nor Islam condone such acts.
Wow, that's a lot of lies for so early (it's not yet 8am PST).
Did you Google "dips**t Israel Apologists", find & read Tim Burns and jake on here, and say "Yep, I'm just gullible and biased enough to think these guys are smart and well-informed ?"
-Statement of the International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Karim A.A. Khan KC:
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023
My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.
Attacking a military base is not a war crime.
You, are full of more sh*t than a Christmas Goose.
If you had any contradictory evidence, you would have posted it, instead of attempting to be cute.
you haven't brought evidence in the first place.
Please read it carefully— I posted clearly the quote of the International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Karim A.A. Khan KC: On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023
My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.
1. Do you notice how he had to say the “State of Palestine.” Because these apply to states, not to non state actors such as a n armed resistance movement.
2. All those provisions listed have defenses.
3. There was no evidence of rape.
4. The killing that did take place can be attributed to Israel a. for its cowardice in retreating and leaving a vacuum and b. for killing its own people in its cowardice and the Hannibal directive.
5. Hamas’ military raid was so spectacularly successful that other groups and civilians got in on the operation and to the extent murder, torture or rape took place it would have been individual liability. Neither Hamas nor Islam condone such acts.
False.
Even I had forgotten.
Thank you.
It could happen … should Trump's economic medicine render the patient too weak to continue.
Trump is driven by vengeance and wrath, Old Testament stuff. Hopefully, we soon will not be able to afford an offensive military. Bring the troops home where they belong.
Trump is a demon seed planted by his father, fellow demon.
He will not be stopped.
The banner of Islam flies over 99.9% of the Middle East and North African land mass. Some people are just pisssed that it is not 100%.
There is no "banner of Islam" that I know of. It's all in your mind, just like Israel's chosenness syndrome. It's all in your mind.
It's not the Pride flag ?
(giggles quietly to self)
100% is not a scientifically verifiable claim in this regard, nor is 99.9%. Your hyperbole doesn't lend anything to the credibility of your suspiciously anti-Judaist bend.
Please name one state in the region mentioned where the majority of the population does not worship Islam.
Muslims were able to maintain that land mass for nearly 1500 years. Your buddies couldn't maintain a state for 300 years out of 6,000.
But it does have something to do with the Old Testament. They are using it to their advantage. They themselves do not follow any religion but power and greed but they know that many others do. So they use it as an excuse, knowing that Evangelicals are all in support of the OT to wipe out anyone not Hebrew to make room for the "chosen people" which they include themselves.
It’s weird that liberals don’t understand that Judaism is being used to justify this genocide among the people actually committing it.
Liberals and those on the Left ARE THE ONES POINTING THIS OUT.
I think the term liberal refers to establishment Democrats at this point.
I guess…? There seems conflation of terms at times. At least in Canada there’s proper-noun parties that represent the sides, even tho the far-Right “Peoples’ Party of Canada” does have a Maoist far-Left ring to it.
And thankfully the BC Liberal Party (itself trending to and settling center-Right from the 1990s until recently) rebranded as BC United (dropping the inaccurate L-word) then merged with the BC Conservatives, cementing what everybody already knew from decades of corporate & wealthy pandering.
The American system always seemed like a philosophical or political-science argument between one side insisting the USA is a Democra(cy) and the other side adamant it’s a Republic(an).
With many (me included) really not sure the f**k the difference is between the two.
I’ll clear that up, it’s an oligarchy or plutocracy of inverted totalitarianism. But we are dancing toward fascism. And by dancing, I mean the two parties in a tango, pretending to be opposition.
Uh where? All i see is Jewish Leftists whining about “Zionists” and trying to say Judaism has nothing to do with Zionism.
Some Zionists practice Judaism. More now than in former times, when the Zionism was created by an atheist (Herzl), brough to fruition by an atheist (Ben-Gurion), and denounced as heresy by many practitioners of Judaism, but there were always some.
It’s not that Judaism has “nothing to do” with Zionism. It’s that your clear obsession with a single thing causes you to become enraged when others choose to look at the whole picture instead of only at the piece you’re obsessing over.
Every person who believes that modern day Israeli land belongs to followers of Judaism are practicing Judaism. Zionism is merely a new word for an ancient religious idea. We shouldn’t relegate the term “Zionism” to this situation only. Many groups of people (Africans, Rastas, Black people) have adopted the term to mean a return to a spiritual homeland. Palestinians are practicing Zionism as well. I don’t have a problem with Zionism, I have a problem with an ideology that condones genocide as a way of attaining land promised solely to those submissive of that ideology. Stop deleting my comments.
So it’s not enough to be obsessed with Judaism, you also have to completely re-define it so that you can make everyone you disagree with on anything a practitioner of it. That’s weird.
How am I obsessed with something I believe should end? I said nothing untrue about what “Zionism” is. The term does not solely describe Jewish Zionism. I didn’t lie about what Judaism is, I described how it’s practiced. Zionist Jews have their interpretation of the religion, and non-zionist Jews have their interpretation. Both interpretations exist and just like different interpretations of The Mona Lisa, no interpretation of Judaism is wrong. If we believe some interpretation of Judaism is “correct” that will undoubtably give credence to other interpretations. The problem is believing the lies that started the religion in the first place, be interpreted at all. Do you believe in the myth of Abraham? Do you believe ancient Hebrews were related to him? I don’t, so I don’t believe any good can come from believing these untruths. John Lennon beautifully imagined a world without religion, which is something we should all do. Thanks for not erasing my comments
There is no genocide, just Israel responding to the terrorism that came out of Gaza on October 7th.
Ok, I’ll ignore all the Israeli officials who publicly call for genocide and I’ll ignore all the evidence of an ongoing genocide. I’ll block it all out of my consciousness because I’m unable to process the horror of all of it.
Who specifically called for genocide, please site your source for the readers.
There have been numerous Israeli officials supportive of “killing them all” as well as numerous US politicians. But maybe the problem isn’t the adherents to a religious belief, but the religious belief itself. Are you supportive of Israel’s genocide because you interpret the Jewish/Christian religions to condone mass slaughter of anyone standing in the way of God’s wishes of that land belonging to followers of Judaism?
People say some pretty rough and emotional responses after the mass murder of Israelis and the rounding up of hundreds of hostages of all ages.
As for religion, I am an atheist and of mixed race and cultural heritage. Just a student of history. I am a decorated combat veteran, and a grandfather of five grown grandkids and a ran a small successful business. What is your life experience?
You’re continuing to support mass murder in order to not face the fact that you’re a mass murderer yourself.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
You cannot be blind or stupid. Therefore, you have been emersed in hate for Palestinians. Or, non-Jews in general.
It is not about me, you just can't answer the hard questions.
List your questions and they will be answered. Everyone has their views but this venue for the most part has respect for intellectual honesty. Go ahead list your questions.
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Here's the point in the plot where Pee PlayStation Queek doesn't actually ask their "hard questions". I suspect because they know they won't understand the answers, even if we use small words.
LOL, thank you. you have brightened my day even more.
Apparently, Pee PlayStation Queek can be both blind, stupid, AND willfully ignorant.
"There is no genocide, just Israel responding to the terrorism."
You and 'empire' are identical – you both rationalize open genocide.
You're the Jewish Power version of the Holocaust denier.
You can take cheap personal shots at me, but Hamas initiated this mess and they could stop it at any time in the last year and half by simply laying down their arms and releasing all the hostages. Until then, Israel has not choice but to continue.
"Hamas…could stop it at any time…by simply laying down their arms and releasing all the hostages. Until then, Israel has no choice but to continue."
'Genocide'? But don't you see? Defendant peepsqueek told Hamas he would mass murder noncombatant Gazan women, children and infants if it didn't return the hostages – so he had "no choice but to" shoot that preggers Gazan girl in the belly!
It is all on Hamas who conducts military operations and hides military assets among civilian populations, clearly agains Rule 97 of the Geneva Convention–Human Shields. —- There is no guesswork here!
Stop this nonsense. Hamas actually takes more precaution than Israel who has military assets among the civilian population. The difference is that Iran, the houthis and Muslims don't purposefully target civilians whereas Israel does.
What is your primary source for that gem?
Hamas has always maintained that it targets soldiers and conscripts, whether on duty or now. That's better than Israel's wholesale slaughter of infants in cribs, women, children, the elderly, in "safe places" etc. The Houthis and Iran hit military bases. Israel's military assets near population centers are known.
As for human shields, the reputable human rights organizations have not established that Hamas does that. Whereas Israel has not only been accused but there have been clear findings of repeated violations over and over.
And IF someone is using human shields (mostly women and children), and lots of them, it's ok for the other side to just indiscriminately bomb away with no regard for those human shields?? So, you're saying Israel knowingly killing scores of women and children is justified in doing so?
It is not indiscriminate, it based on the military intelligence which is not all 100% during a time of war.
Even Biden said it was indiscriminate. But here it is from Netanyahu himself.
Early in the conflict, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the head of the Israeli military to hit thousands of targets without intelligence, including homes. According to Nahum Barnea’s reporting in Ynet, IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi told Netanyahu during a meeting on October 9, 2023, that the IDF already was bombing 1,500 targets per day.
Barnea’s sources explained that Netanyahu banged on the table and demanded, “Why not 5,000?” When the PM was told the IDF lacked the intelligence to conduct so many strikes, he replied, “I’m not interested in targets. Take down houses, bomb with everything you have.”
https://israelpalestinenews.org/netanyahu-demanded-the-idf-bomb-homes-without-intelligence/
Israel has and had other choices. They chose to be barbarians and they continue to be barbarians. You can blame others for them choosing to be barbarians, but they did it on their own. They took the lives of tens of thousands of innocent noncombatants by choice. Their choice.
Hamas leaves Israel no choice but to continue or cave to Hamas's demands and make the world believe that Hamas made the right choice on Oct 7th.
Well since the cowardly IDF can't win the war, its not over yet. The Palestinians have suffered untold loss of life and destruction, however, Israel has sown the seeds of the destruction of its own existence. Say by bye Israel.
There you go again. Using Hamas as an excuse for Israel to continue with their collective punishment. It's Israel's choice to be barbarians yet some more.
History didn't start on October 7th.
No, but this war started on October 7th.
IIt's Not over yet
This current war does?
It’s not over yet.
This current war does?
I used to put genocide in quotes because I am a lawyer (we need evidence) and its just another western construct. However, after a year and a half of slaughter it is clear that the well armed cowardly state of Israel is willing to wipe out the Palestinians so they can never resist the criminal state of Israel to continue to exist at the expense of the indigenous population.
Even now, as Netanyahu restarted the genocide, Israel is not fighting Hamas but slaughtering innocents to get them to give up Hamas and agree to be ethnivally cleansed.
No matter how you look at it, Israel is screwed.
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Holocaust denier.
Your view is completely class unconscious. “It has nothing to do with the Old Testament” except of course that the people actually undertaking the work of this genocide are 20-somethings in the IDF who’ve been indoctrinated into a religious ideology that literally tells them their God supports this genocide. You’re completely ignoring HOW this genocide is able to take place, and the reason HOW is Judaism. Have some damn courage to step up against ideology that condones mass killing. You’re on an anti-war website, Grandpa
"Your view is completely class unconscious."
"And your post has to do with "class" how?
The IDF are the people actually doing the grunt work of committing this genocide, and nobody has any class solidarity with them. If we did, we’d have empathy, and realize that they’re able to commit this inhumane ordeal with help from the religious ideology they’ve been indoctrinated into as children, in Israeli schools, where studying the “truth” of Judaism is mandatory. Seems important to HOW mass murder is able to happen. It takes mental illness to be able to mass murder children, and that illness is justified and fueled by the ancient ideology of Judaism.
Latest polls in Israel indicate 90% of Jewish Israeli citizens are OK with what the IDF is doing.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have empathy with people who are forced by their government to kill innocent people. There are many US soldiers and soldiers everywhere who can relate to that horror, and they are mostly lower/working class.
It’s not Judaism. It’s Zionism indoctrination.
Being “exceptional” isn’t limited to one group.
See also: US citizens, and the master race of WWII.
At this point I don't think blaming Zionism is accurate. If Israel was just a Zionist project it would be a lot like a more successful version of the attempt by some African Americans to settle sierra Leone.
Its is status as a defacto US colony that causes so much trouble. Garden variety colonialism rather than Zionism.
And just like the US, religion is used as a tool to justify it all.
Colonialism by Zionists.
Zionism is how you convert minds. Just like the constant drumbeat of exceptionalism for the US.
Imperialism and raw power is the true agenda. Going back to early days, the Zionists were more than willing to hoodwink and sacrifice their own people for the goals of holding their own state: even cozying up with Nazis.
To me, it appears to be collaboration amongst the wealth from the British Empire, to the US empire, up to now. The Rothschilds did exert influence toward the Balfour Declaration. (This is from Jewish Israeli sources). Mutual benefits v one empire’s goals. But either way, it is brute force colonialism.
Spelled out in Miko Peled's book, The General's Son: The Journey of an Israeli in Palestine,[1] published in 2012
Will look for it.
Israelis are indoctrinated into Judaism as children, and the idea that current Israeli land belongs to followers of Judaism is a belief that is ancient and a cornerstone of the Jewish religion. Just because some Jews interpret the religion differently, doesn’t mean their religious belief is “the correct” interpretation. It’s just their own interpretation.
The same is true of your interpretation. And you’re at least as obsessive about that interpretation as anyone — including a Muslim who believes that his religion requires Islamic possession of the Dome of the Rock, the Christian who believes that just because Constintine’s mother had a feeling about a place that that place is the Holy Sepulchre, etc.
Some Israelis are indoctrinated into Judaism as children. Others are not. And those who are are indoctrinated into various interpretations of its meaning.
You’re free to stroke your obsession, refer to it as “my preciouuuuuuuuus,” etc. But you’re probably not going to get many people to start stroking and moaning with you.
All of the Israeli premiers changed their names from their Eastern European names to Jewish-sounding last names.
What we have is colonialism by genocide by people who are not indigenous to Palestine.
At this point, it has nothing to do with religion, owing to the fact that most Zionists are not religious.
Jews are indigenous to current Israeli land, they were just kicked off the land by the Romans two thousand years ago.
Your first comment was deleted. Animosity will get you nowhere.
Animosity & classic v.1.0 antisemitism, mind you. I'm getting echoes of "The ***s are the problem" off this cat (*-editing mine; not an admin thing)
We have a big problem when even Leftists continue to use Israel’s horrible term, “antisemitism”. I’m a pacifist and have a duty to myself to be firmly against ideology that condones violence. Since Judaism is a religion that condones genocide we must realize that being against Judaism (in all its forms) is the way to end this genocide.
All the Abrahamic religions’ texts condone genocide; why single out just Judaism ?
“Antisemitism” was a marginally useful, innately inaccurate term at the best of times. Many Commenters here, as well as historians elsewhere, have correctly shown that “semite” is a broad term that includes many people currently accused of antisemitism.
Further to that, the word implies racism against either adherents of Judaism or people claiming only a Judiaistic ethnicity or genetics – equally problematic because there becomes this bizarre quantum superposition (or is that redundant?) whereby someone can be religious J, ethnic J, AND both, AND only one of those, all at the same time. Conflating whether a “victim” of antisemitism was even a follower of Judaism or not…?
Christianity and Islam are merely different interpretations of the original genocidal ideology of Judaism, which is why I single it out. “Antisemitism” is the way Jewish people have convinced themselves that any disrespect for their chosen religion is a disrespect for Jewish people, but we must keep in mind that religious freedom is also the freedom to say religion is horrible.
“Christianity and Islam are merely different interpretations of the original genocidal ideology of Judaism…”
Neither of which dropped the genocidal ideology. It’s as much a vestigial feature of both as it is in Judaism.
It’s equally irrelevant to daily practice by the laity between all three, and equally useful to opportunists from all three.
Judaism doesn’t: Finkelstein, Blumenthal, Greenwald, Mate, Halper, Keaton Weiss, etc etc
"I’m a pacifist and have a duty to-"
But pacifism can be taken too far – just look at "where…tolerance for Judaism" has "taken us"!
Higher duty calls!
Time to relieve the burden of guilt heaped on good Germans!
Time to point a righteous finger at the descendants of the international Rothschild cabal!
What?
"What?"
You're not confused.
"Look…where tolerance for Judaism" has "taken us"?
You're a Holocaust denier. Aren't you?
I don’t understand your points, sorry. I’m not a holocaust denier, no, but if I were alive at the time of it, i’d probably be asking “where has tolerance for christianity taken us?”
I just don’t understand the point you’re trying to make, I’m sorry. Why would you think I’m a holocaust denier? I’m not. Jews were victims of a Christian supremacist movement and if I were alive then, I’d probably be asking Christianity apologists, “where has tolerance of Christianity taken us?”
Throwing around the term "antisemitism" stifles the meaning of the term.
For some Jews to bring up the Holocaust as some justification of the genocide in Gaza cheapens the Holocaust.
Where has tolerance for Judaism taken us? Judaism is literally an ideology that condones genocide and you’re defending it.
"Where has tolerance for Judaism taken us?"
Alas, if only the WWII Allied powers could have comprehended that.
What do you mean? I don’t speak Snark
I’m unaware of any religion that, once equipped with political power, hasn’t condoned genocide. Heck, even Buddhist-controlled regimes have engaged in ethnic cleansing / attempted genocide in, among other places, Sri Lanka.
Judaism is hardly sui generis — it emerged from, co-existed with, and preceded, other religions.
Nor are Jewishness and Zionism inextricably linked to Judaism. There are Jews, who don’t practice Judiasm, adherents of Judaism who condemn Zionism, non-religious Jews who aren’t Zionists, and Zionists who aren’t Jews and/or don’t practice Judaism.
You being obsessed with Judaism says more about you than about anything else.
If we allow ourselves to consider some interpretations of a genocidal ideology to be good, then we will have no way to condemn those who use it for bad. That is where we are now, nowhere.
That was good.
You clearly have no understanding of Israel. Do you have an opinion on Islam and its view of Jews, its adherence to the principles of Dar-Al-Islam and Dar-Al-Harb and how this has impacted all the suffering inflicted on the Middle East?
Islam is just another interpretation of Judaism. When I criticize Judaism I’m talking about Christianity and Islam as well.
And Judaism is just another interpretation of the pre-Jewish Canaanite religions (e.g. the worship of El), the Babylonian religions, etc. You’re just picking one particular manifestation of a cascade of religions and pretending it’s somehow central.
The reason for the Israeli military response lies in the Hamas ideology of the slogan 'from the river to the sea' and the Shoah. Do you recognize a resistance of the civilian population in Gaza against the terrorist Hamas?
That might be true if their response hadn't been one big kill fest with rules of engagement making that possible. And speaking of recognizing terrorists, look squarely at those who make Hamas' terrorism look tame in comparison. And that would be Israel.
The comparison of killing in terms of numbers is flawed, because both the Torah and the Koran (only partially), even according to the respective criminal laws, outlaw the killing of a human being, don't they? In war, secular laws permit killing as long as the opposing parties observe the rules of public international humanitarian law. Hamas provokes a hybrid war and expects what response in a hybrid war?
But Hamas are designated terrorists. Until Israel is designated as terrorists, I would expect them to behave in a humane way. Instead, they do their terrorism with state of the art weaponry and they make anything Hamas does pale in comparison with their total disregard for the safety of innocent noncombatants.
This is a fake "negotiation". Hamas has one purpose – Israel's destruction, "every inch" – so there is nothing to negotiate. Hamas must surrender and leave Gaza. Ultimately they will be destroyed; they are only prolonging the timeline, for their own reasons.
Israelis are not "a bunch of Europeans," regardless of what you professors said at Columbia. After all, the major city in Israel – Jerusalem – has had a Jewish majority since the 1860s, and many Jewish towns go back to Medieval or even Roman times. Gaza was a major center of Jewish culture going back to the time of Alexander, until they were driven out by the Arabs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Gaza_City
And many of the Jews is Israel are from Arab countries (kicked out after Israel was formed). There are also the Musta'arabi Jews, descendants of the ancient Hebrews who remained after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musta%27arabi_Jews
Despite your hateful tone, "chosen ones" refers to the Bible, which connotes a responsibility to obey God.
As for "pulling the plug," Israel is by law a "major non-NATO ally." The US helps its allies. However, considering the advanced military and computer technology the US gets from Israel, I'm sure China would be happy to take our place.
My initial comment was deleted so I'll write it differently. Where someone's ancestors were living 2000-3000 years ago has n0 bearing whatsoever on national borders in the here and now. It's a cruel fantasy that entitles one group of people to grab the land of others and then feel put upon when they resist. Why are we still arguing about this?
You avoided my point, so presumably you have no response.
Instead, you offer a response to an argument I did not make.
Israelis control Israel because of the war in 1947-48. That's the whole story.
It has nothing to do with their beliefs or motivations. Palestinians, like Yasser Arafat's father, who emigrated from Egypt, have no more "right" to the land than anyone else.
That's the whole point – no one has any "right" to land.
Hamas has no claim on the land; they aren't even part of the Palestinian Authority, which is the recognized government in Gaza. They are just a militant Islamist group that seeks to destroy Israel and take their land.
Read it for yourself: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
So, your position is absurd. Israelis didn't "grab" the land, any more than the Arabs did before them, or the Persians, Turks, or Romans. Nations are formed by wars and treaties. There was a war. One group lost.
Hamas recognizes this, and they are in a state of war with Israel. Their stated goal is to conquer "every inch" of Israel and put it only Islamic control, as they clearly state in their charter.
Given this, Israel has two choices: Destroy Hamas, or be destroyed. You seem to think they should choose the second option. Suit yourself. They won't.
Lots of words but the one that means the most is "entitled." How are a bunch of Europeans "entitled" to invade Palestine and kill as many inhabitants as they can, pretending that they are God's chosen people. They aren't, simple as that. Pull the plug on this vile aggression now!
You are having a discussion with yourself, so no point responding to your latest bumper sticker.
I already refuted the claim of "Europeans" and the Biblical basis for claims.
As for the Israeli government, you are on the same page as Hamas. Your viewpoint sounds right out of the Hamas "charter".
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
Apart from the fact that Hamas lacks the means to 'destroy' the state of Israel, Hamas is nevertheless an ulcer on the state of Israel. Do you not consider the brutality of the Israeli army against Gaza (blasting it to a stony desert), the violation of the publicly international law by the deportation of the civilian population in Gaza and Israel's reputation in the world?
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule129 The Act of Displacement
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule129 Practice relating to Rule 129.
https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/deportation-1/
You apparently don't understand how the Middle East works, or how Iran (a powerful military nation that holds regular "Death to Israel!" rallies) funds Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis to attack Israel.
Iran trained and funded Hamas to attack Israel on Oct. 7, and Hamas calls on all 1 billion Muslim to attack and destroy Israel.
As for the brutality of war, that is because war is a brutal. More than 20,000 French civilians died after the D-Day invasion in France; but wars must be fought until the enemy is defeated. Of course, Hamas could surrender any time, but they chose not to.
Iran does not yet possess any nuclear weapons, but Pakistan is storing some.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/nuclear-weapons-who-has-what-glance
Is there a point? Do you think Pakistan is part of the Middle East, or that Pakistan will attack Israel, causing its immediate destruction from India, the US, and Israel?
My previous answer is aimed at Israel's nuclear deterrence, which you ignore in your previous answer, and your statement that Hamas is calling on quasi all member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to attack and destroy Israel. Pakistan as a nuclear power acts as a member of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. Please also note the BRICS alliance (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa alongside some Muslim states) in which Pakistan is applying for membership.
https://www.oic-oci.org/states/?lan=en Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Member States
https://infobrics.org/post/40581 The Expansion of BRICS: Challenges and Opportunities for Pakistan
More nonsense to justify genocide. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
You have it backwards. What I support is peace and prosperity. You support Hamas, war, and the murder of civilians.
Why don't you demand that Hamas leave Gaza and allow elections? They are not an elected government, but a criminal organization propped up by Iran – not for the benefit of the Palestinian people, but for the ambitions of Iran.
But if you and your friends in Hamas claim war is the only answer, then don't be surprised when there is war.
You support the peace of subjugated slaves and the crumbs of the master.
Hamas is supported or respected by most of the world because they stand up to oppression and willing to die for it.
As for being propped up by Iran, you know not what you are talking about. Hamas get millions from Muslims all over the world. Because the neighboring corrupt "Sunni" regimes support US and Israeli interests, Iran filled a vacuum.
Peace and prosperity comes with the dismantling of the apartheid state.
Wrong. You simply ignore facts.
1. Israeli Arabs, for example, are not "slaves". They have more rights than those in any Arab country.
Why can't you ever respond to a fact?
Israeli Arabs also have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world. It is those in Gaza, Iran, and Lebanon who are treated like slaves. They have no rights or freedom.
Answer a simple question: Can the people of Gaza vote? No. Can they protest against the government? No.
Read this title:
"Palestinian Man Tortured to Death By Hamas Militants after Criticizing Group and Attending Protests, Family Says."
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/01/middleeast/uday-rabie-palestinian-tortured-hamas-intl-latam/index.html
No one respects Hamas (except you, apparently). Egypt closed their border with Gaza because Hamas is part of the Nazi-trained Muslim Brotherhood.
The evidence of Iran's support for Hamas is overwhelming and well-known. Again, you simply ignore reality.
There is an entire article on Wikipedia called "Iranian Support for Hamas". They provide $350 million/year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_support_for_Hamas#:~:text=Since%20the%20early%201990s%2C%20the,Leader%20Ali%20Khamenei%20in%202012.
Simply ignoring facts as you do mean you have zero credibility. None at all.
Alexander, Alexander… Are you still living a lie that allows you to go to bed at night? That's if you had a conscious.
Israeli Arabs were given citizenship because the Zionist gangs failed in ethnically cleansing all the Palestinians. They lived as docile victims of Israel's "Superiority complexes."
You keep saying they have more rights. No they don't. They live in Israel because its their land and because the standard of living is higher than the Arab world. Otherwise, they are treated with contempt, discrimination and as a fifth column that may explode at any moment.
Of course they can vote when the neck boot of occupation is gone and the PA collaborator with Israel is deposed. And of course Hamas allows demonstrations, but not insurrections. These alleged anti Hamas demonstrations are psych-ops praying on desperate Palestinians made so by Israel's genocide. In your sickness you think Palestinians are blaming Hamas for their slaughter and not Israel.
As for no one likes Hamas, they are probably the most popular resistance in the world by far. They are respected, envied and loved by countless millions across the globe. And even those who don't agree with their Islamic agenda respect them and see how they conducted warfare nobly, especially compared with their depraved Israeli enemy. The only ones who don't like them are western and their Arab client state government.
As for the story of the Palestinian killed, its not clear what happened and by who.
I never said Hamas is not supported by Iran but so what.
As far as credibility goes, I have challenged you on many occasions to debate these issues according to academic standards but you have refused. Let the those reading judge who is credible and who is not.
Your positions are pure fantasy and have no basis in reality. No wonder you have to make personal attacks – you have nothing to back your position, which is basically, "I want Palestinians to take over Israel, because I say so." Simply repeating misinformation doesn't change the facts.
1. Israeli Arabs have rights under the Israeli constitution. No matter how you try to talk away reality, they have more rights than in any other Arab country.
The Israeli government is not a "gang" – they are a democratically elected government (unlike Hamas, which was not elected, and which rules by force, after an illegal takeover of Gaza.
So, you simply have all your facts backwards, because of your goal, which is the destruction US ally and UN member Israel by a criminal group, because…you say so. Not really an argument, just a delusion.
2. Obviously you can't stand that Israeli Arabs like living in Israel, so you have to call them "victims". But notice that the walls the Israelis put up keep people out, not in. Israeli Arabs are not trying to get out of Israel to move to Syria or Jordan or Gaza; in fact, people from some Middle East countries, like Iran, prefer the freedom they have in Israel. While your heroes the Iranian dictators persecute the Ba'hai in Iran, the Ba'hai are able to practice freely in Israel, and even have their world headquarters there. Please explain why this group faces persecution in a Muslim country, but feels safe in Israel?
Of course you will dodge this question, because reality doesn't support your fake narrative.
3. Yes, Israeli Arabs have more rights than those in Arab countries. I never said they were completely equal with Jewish Israelis, but no country that complete equality. But tell me, if you were an Israeli Arab, would you prefer to live in Syria under Assad? Or in Iraq? Or in Egypt? Or Yemen? How about Gaza? Would you move your family from Israel to live in Gaza City? Please explain.
4. You claim that people can protest in Gaza, but that is clearly false. You claim that demonstrations are fake, but that clearly is false. You have no proof for any of these claims. They are just more weak support for your argument, which is that the Palestinians should take Israel from the Israelis, which have no connection to reality outside of your fantasy world.
As for Uday Rabie (he had a name) – the man tortured and killed by Hamas, how sad that you ignore the cruelty of his abuse. Shame on you. Read this about the people you support as heroes:
"Uday Rabie was taken last week by dozens of armed fighters with Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, in the Tal al-Hawa neighborhood of Gaza City, his brother Hassan Rabie told CNN on Tuesday.
Hassan said his brother had altercations with members of the group around a month before his death and had expressed fears that militants would come for him. Uday Rabie had also participated alongside thousands of others in anti-Hamas and anti-war protests that took place in the enclave earlier last week, his brother said. Rabie demonstrated in the al-Rimal neighborhood of Gaza City, Hassan said, chanting “No to Hamas” during the rally."
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/01/middleeast/uday-rabie-palestinian-tortured-hamas-intl-latam/index.html
Now, that is a real "gang" (Hamas).
This nonsense keeps going on and on and on…. For the millionth time, we don't care if your semitic, white, black etc. We don't care if your religious, secular or atheist. You can live in the land but not at the expense of the people living there. Why is this so difficult to understand? If you make this an existential conflict, your "people" lose and they lose big time.
Stop this nonsense. Of course Hamas and most Palestinians want to dismantle the state of Israel, but Israel and its governing Likud party IS DOING exactly that. The Likud charter says Israeli sovereignty is from the river to the sea. And now with its genocidal campaign its is attempting exactly that.
Why are people like you so racist? Where do you get off thinking you are better than others?
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The leadership on “both sides” of this holy war repeatedly say they want all the land for their respective cults. The solution to all this horror is realizing both Muslims and Jews in the area are victims of a religious system of control that the Christian US empire helps create, strictly for its own global domination purposes. Since the Palestinian population is so strictly Muslim, and include themselves in the Abrahamic cult, (along with Christianity and Judaism)Palestinian Muslims don’t understand that the religious system they adhere to is the problem. (Just like current Liberal Democrats don’t understand the capitalist US political system is the problem there). We understand how religion comforts psychological pain, though. The only way out for Palestinians is pacifism, and understanding that fighting a violent religion with a violent religion will not free them from Israeli/US torture and physical and mental captivity.
1. Muslims are nearly one fourth of the world's population. Jews are around 16 million. Islam is not a cult.
2. Its the Zionist Jews who make this into a "religious" war. For Muslims its an issue of oppression, occupation and dispossession. If my bilogical brother did this to me I would fight him.
3. This tired old mantra of how bad religion is, is a western construct. Leave us out of it. The "west" threw Christianity under the bus, and is still suffering the consequences of "Liberalism." You haven't made the world better.
4. Pacifism is not a solution to oppression. And we resent this idea that Palestinians haven't resisted peacefully. The corrupt people you talk about only understand the language of force.
With regard to 2, does that mean you’re OK with religious sharing of e.g. the Dome of the Rock?
LOL… That is something to discuss on the day of the dinner.
There is of course a religious component. However, there is very little comparison because for Judaism's 6000 year history, self rule only existed a couple hundred years. For Islam's 1400 year existence except for a hundred years it has been self political rule. Most Rabbis prohibit worshipping there until the pure heifer is sacrificed.
In negotiations with Arafat there was talk about Muslim sovereignty over the area above ground and Israeli sovereignty under ground. Creative but a recipe for failure.
Islam is anthropologically another interpretation of Judaism, as is Christianity. Islam is an ideology that co-dependently reinforces the “truth” of the religion of Judaism, which is based on lies, and should not be believed in the first place. You’ve submitted so intensely to Abrahamic ideology, that you actually have submitted to Judaism, which holy text’s contain “God’s support” for genocide. I realize that religion is used to deal with pain, and I can’t imagine the pain Palestinians feel, but those of us who choose not to believe in dangerous religious lies, see clearly that the problem in Israeli/Palestine isn’t a problem regarding land, or occupation, or regarding Palestinians being trapped in the area. The problem is the idea that land belongs to anyone. Land doesn’t belong to anyone, anywhere, but most Palestinians have unfortunately adopted the same violent idea that has corrupted the Americans and Israelis. Palestinians say they’ve tried every peaceful method of escaping their horrible religious persecution, and I admire them greatly and feel so badly for what they’re forced to deal with, but they have not realized that the Abrahamic religious system they subscribe to themselves, is their religious persecution.
Actually by confirming previous revelation, Islam has uniquely coopted Judaism and Christianity in a very unique and powerful way. One cannot be a Muslim without accepting Moses and Jesus as prophets, along with many others (peace be upon them all). However, being that Islam is the final revelation it is able to act as a vetting and arbitrating mechanism. Anything in the Bible that agrees with the Quran is accepted. Anything that contradicts it is rejected. If it is silent, we are agnostic on that issue.
Furthermore, out of a 6000 year history, yehud have had self political self determination for a couple hundred of years. Christianity has no concept of political self determination because Jesus’ kingdom was a spiritual and not physical one (that is supposedly to come). Islam does not differentiate between the secular and profane, therefore, politics and religion can mix.
Given that my focus and “expertise” is on Islam, I can only say that objectively speaking Islam has demonstrated its positive contribution to humanity over the centuries.
This information is just being provided for educational purposes.
Muslims changed Judaism and Christianity slightly in order to create a religious panacea for themselves. I can understand why and how this happened, as Muslims needed something to counter Jewish and Christian oppression. But it will never actually be adversarial to Judaism and Christianity because if people are to build upon the lie of the myth of Abraham, then they are not saying the myth of Abraham is a lie. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all believe in the core myth of Abraham, which is a horrible story and an outdated lie. There have been countless people killed in the name of Prophet Muhammad, Islam is just as violent as its previous Abrahamic interpretations.
And Judaism changed the religions that came before it.
There’s nothing really central about Judaism — especially where Zionism, which has far more Christian supporters, many atheist supporters, etc., is concerned.
Interpretations are incapable of violence. Only interpreters can actually do things.
“Islam is anthropologically another interpretation of Judaism, as is Christianity”
The Christianity that Jesus taught was indeed an interpretation of Judaism.
However, most “Christian” sects these days descend from the pagan Pauline sect, a Greco-Roman religion that co-opted and modified “Jesus” and stapled the Jewish holy books to its cover while abandoning everything in them that there wasn’t already a pagan analog to.
“Islam is anthropologically another interpretation of Judaism, as is Christianity”
The Christianity that Jesus taught was indeed an interpretation of Judaism.
However, most “Christian” sects these days descend from the pagan Pauline sect, a Greco-Roman religion that co-opted and modified “Jesus” and stapled the Jewish holy books to its cover while abandoning everything in them that there wasn’t already a pagan analog to.
“Islam is anthropologically another interpretation of Judaism, as is Christianity”
The Christianity that Jesus taught was indeed an interpretation of Judaism.
However, most “Christian” sects these days descend from the pagan Pauline sect, a Greco-Roman religion that co-opted and modified “Jesus” and stapled the Jewish holy books to its cover while abandoning everything in them that there wasn’t already a pagan analog to.
Should I put Judaism in quotes from now on, since it also adopted many pagan practices? (Kabbalah, Apocalypticism, concepts of Angels and Demons, animal sacrifice, polytheism of early Israelites) Instead of the normal, human, scientific, 21st century response to an obvious horrible myth, it seems like maybe you have the REAL, CORRECT interpretation of Abraham. Would you like to share it?
Unlike you, I don’t pretend that I possess — or that there even exists — a “correct” interpretation of Judaism or any other religion. Every religion is part of a continuum that incorporates parts of prior religions and has parts of itself co-opted by subsequent religions.
I won’t live long enough to see it, but I’ll be interested to see if post-Islamic religions keep the Kaaba that Islam kept when it turned Hubal into Allah.
You believe non-zionist Jews are correct and zionist Jews aren’t Jews at all. All religious interpretation is correct, but caring to interpret lies at the root of the Abrahamic religions is the mistake at the root of the problem.
“In my fevered imagination, you believe non-zionist Jews are correct and zionist Jews aren’t Jews at all.”
Fixed, no charge.
Oh come on. Admit it, you have a preferred way for a Jew to be, in order to properly suit you.
No, I don’t consider it anyone’s job to “suit me” with their religious beliefs (or absence thereof).
Cool, then why do you get upset when I conflate Judaism and Zionism? They are both Jewish beliefs.
I’ll answer my own question. You get mad because Zionist Jews aren’t the type of Jews you like. Their interpretation of Judaism does not suit you, but Aaron Mate’s does.
If you think I am either “upset” or “mad,” that thing you’re doing that you think is thinking isn’t.
“In my fevered imagination, you believe non-zionist Jews are correct and zionist Jews aren’t Jews at all.”
Fixed, no charge.
“In my fevered imagination, you believe non-zionist Jews are correct and zionist Jews aren’t Jews at all.”
Fixed, no charge.
The expulsion of the Jews from the Arab world was done because they were Jews ,as was the numerous persecutions and pogroms perpetrated by Moslems before the birth of Zionism
hitler never went into negotiations with russia or poland or austria or france or belgium or norway or north africa,,,etc…Get it????
He did sign a treaty with the Vatican. The first one of his Reich, in fact.
He also said one cannot be a nazi without being a christian too…What a guy
Really don't get what the best of Ukraine's fighting men, and the majority of that country's nationalists, see in the fellow.
Because Stalin was not too nice to say the least to Ukraine, and the wehrmacht was welcomed as liberators. Then the ss showed up and all hell broke loose…
And no Jews ever fired thousand of rockets into Berlin or mass murdered Germans, or rounded up hundreds Germans of all ages for hostages. Think before you post!
But they have dropped 80,000 tons of bombs on a densely populated area called Gaza and they have mass murdered thousands upon thousands of women and children along the way.
Who are they going to commit to Hamas? Hamas is very honest about their intentions and ambition to destroy Israel, so who are you going to talk to?
"…ambition to destroy Israel."
Means, Motive, Opportunity. The three cornerstones of any crime.
Means – no. Hamas cannot destroy the Country, Nation, OR State of (nuclear-armed, technologically and economically superior) Israel.
Motive – yes. Hamas has the desire to destroy the State that has, and is, systematically exterminating any chance of Palestinian flourishing for ~60+ years.
Opportunity – no. There has never been a time in Hamassian history when Hamas has been powerful enough OR the Apartheid State of Israel weak enough, for any military thrust by Hamas to destroy the Nation, State, or Country of Israel.
From a legal and logical standpoint, Hamas does not meet more than one of the key components of an existential threat. It has about the same chance to "destroy" any form of Israel, as all of Humanity combined has a chance of destroying our Moon.
You are interpreting the word 'destroy' narrowly and thus defending Hamas' terrorist attacks on Israel, aren't you?
Oh,so they only massacred a few villages.
Oh, joke ! Ain’ seen you in a while.
I’m glad for the opportunity to throw in your face the fact that your beloved can-do-no-wrong Apartheid State of Israel has tacitly rejected the Hamassian offer to release ALL hostages in exchange for a PERMANENT peace treaty.
You’ve repeatedly asserted that this war against Gaza would end if only Hamas would release all hostages.
The ASI has proven this false.
AND proven you to be a complete f**king liar, who we STILL have no reason to believe, listen to, or take seriously.
I think Disqus borked my first reply, so lemme try again.
First off, wondered when you'd eke outta the woodwork again, joke. Thought you'd maybe learned punctuation and the SHIFT key & rebranded as "peepsqueak", who seems eager to steal your Parroting ASI Apologists crown – if he's not you with a Grammarly subscription.
Second – this must hurt for you. Since the o.g. Oct 7th you've claimed REPEATEDLY that "all Hamas has to do is release all the hostages & this war ends" (proper spelling mine).
NOW we see your beloved Apartheid State of Israel ignoring an offer for ALL hostages released AND a permanent peace treaty – which the last ceasefire indicates Hamas will honor (tho the ASI didn't).
So, it must hurt that you, joke, that assertions are now proven wrong AND you're demonstrated to be a liar and/or talking out your a$$.
Ceasefire is the way to Peace!…
https://www.presstv.ir/Live
”Let there be Peace on Earth and let it begin with me! With every step we take, a Peace for eternity!”….
"Hamas is ready to release all remaining Israeli hostages in Gaza at once in exchange for a permanent ceasefire, The Times of Israel reported on Thursday, citing a senior Palestinian official.
The report said that Israel has had a “longstanding rejection” of this kind of deal…"
OK, I'll ask…
Why In The Actually F**k (WITAF) would the ASI reject exactly the kind of deal that gives them exactly what they allegedly want – all of the hostages back AND a ceasefire with Hamas & by proxy, the Houthinese of Yemen ? Especially since both Hamas & Ansar Allah demonstrated they are true to their word under the last ceasefire agreement ?
I mean, fricksakes, Tel Aviv, tell us this is all about following through on genocide without telling us this is all about genocide, whydontcha…??!?
I think Hamas is provoking Israel's reaction. The Israeli government is not hiding the intention to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and to destroy Hamas, despite a peace agreement. Sooner or later, both warring parties will break the peace agreement offered by Hamas to free the remaining, criminally looted hostages.
These guys are stuck on stupid.
Permanent peace means no more Palestinians.
Israel’s “victory” will be a pyrrhic one.
We’re going to get burned too.
Israel has the bombs that Hamas does not have.
Israel has a nuclear weapon stockpile.
Israel has a nuclear armed partner in the genocide.
The genocide will continue.
The West is OK with this.
Oct 7 was a genocidal pogrom.
It should be noted that pompous moderators here are erasing comments critical of Judaism at the exact same time a holocaust is being undertaken using Judaism as justification. Moderators here believe in free speech the same way Trump does. Good riddance.
Zionism is a nationlistic movment, not a religious one. It is intended so that a people may live in greater physical safety, and practice relion as they see fit,or not at all.
Oh ok, my mistake. What a coincidence it is that zionism is also an ancient idea central to the religion of Judaism and Christianity, and that both Jews and Christians are its biggest proponents. Crazy coincidence!
JC: “Love your neighbors as yourself!”
Also JC : "This fig tree ain' producing figs outside of fig season ?" then curses the seasonally barren fig tree and it withers instantly. Or overnight, depending on which version of the same story you read in the same bible.
Only the supposed followers of JC have committed numerous atrocities over the past 2,000 years.
This has actually been Hamas' position from early on in this sorry-ass episode of ethnic cleansing.
They learned their lessons from the usa and how the us would decimate then move the natives to nasty places out west to farm rocks