The US has rejected Russian President Vladimir Putin’s latest offer for negotiations to end the war in Ukraine, as the Biden administration has consistently discouraged diplomacy in the nearly two years since Russia launched its invasion.
Putin made the offer during an interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson, which was released on Carlson’s website and X account last week.
“We are willing to negotiate,” Putin said. Referring to the US government, the Russian leader added, “You should tell the current Ukrainian leadership to stop and come to the negotiating table.”
In response, a spokesperson for the White House’s National Security Council told The New York Times that the US has no reason to believe Putin is being genuine.
“Both we and President Zelensky have said numerous times that we believe this war will end through negotiations,” the spokesperson said. “Despite Mr. Putin’s words, we have seen no actions to indicate he is interested in ending this war. If he was, he would pull back his forces and stop his ceaseless attacks on Ukraine.”
The latest US rejection of diplomacy with Russia comes as it’s clear Ukraine has no chance of beating Russia on the battlefield, and Ukrainian soldiers on the frontlines are facing shortages of weapons and personnel.
Describing the bleak situation, a Ukrainian battalion commander on the frontlines told The Washington Post: “There’s no positive outlook. Absolutely none. It’s going to end in a lot of death, a global failure. And most likely, I think, the front will collapse somewhere like it did for the enemy in 2022, in the Kharkiv region.”
The NSC spokesperson told the Times, “Ultimately, it’s up to Ukraine to decide its path on negotiations.” Zelensky has shown no interest in diplomacy with Moscow and is still pushing his “peace formula” as a plan to end the war, which includes a full Russian withdrawal, Russia giving up Crimea, war crimes tribunals, and Russia paying reparations.
Russia and Ukraine were engaged in peace talks in the early days of the invasion, but those negotiations were discouraged by the West.
David Arakhamia, a member of Ukraine’s parliament who led the Ukrainian delegation to Istanbul during peace talks with Russia in March 2022, said in November that Russia only wanted a commitment of Ukrainian neutrality to end the war at the time.
Arakhamia also confirmed earlier reporting from Ukrainska Pravda that then-British Prime Minister Boris Johnson told Zelensky that even if Kyiv was ready to sign a deal with Moscow, Ukraine’s Western backers were not. “When we returned from Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said that we would not sign anything with them at all, and let’s just fight,” he said.
It was rather an advice, not an offer. Tucker asked Putin if he would like to negotiate the peace. Putin answered that he never refused the negotiations, it was Zelensky who issued a law forbidding Kiev regime to negotiate with Russia. Then Putin told, if they want negotiate, they should first cancel that law. Also Putin told that it would be for US advantage to have normal relations with Russia. That’s about all.
Normal relations should have been the order of the day in 1991. We chose to not allow that. We chose to start a war with Russia by encircling Russia with new additions to NATO. George Kennan issued a warning, obviously not heeded. Our government has been led by idiots.
We, we, we.
Says the fake American.
Obviously that is still true.Biden or Trump will not and cannot solve the problems of America. Only the people can do that. Revolution and Socialism are the answer.
Your emperor had a horrible interview that even the Kremlin is angry about, and here you are, pretending it had any substance.
GTFOH.
There is no Ukrainian law against negotiating with Russia. There’s a law against negotiating with the current Russian regime. Which is still stupid, but not the same thing.
A distinction without a difference.
Regimes often condition negotiations on the composition of the other regimes’ composition.
If Hamas was willing to negotiate with the Israeli regime, but only if Likud wasn’t running that regime, would that be a distinction without a difference?
Regimes often condition negotiations on the composition of the other regimes’ composition.
The only other regime I can think of that practices this style of diplomacy is our own. We prefer to negotiate with the PA who have no legitimacy or any power to influence events instead of Hamas, the elected government of Palestine and the only ones who could conceivably deliver any kind of settlement.
Maybe that’s because we don’t want a settlement there anymore than we do in Ukraine.
“The only other regime I can think of that practices this style of diplomacy is our own”
Have you ever heard of a country called the People’s Republic of China? When the Kuomintang is in charge of the Taiwanese regime, they get some direct diplomatic contact with the PRC. When the Democratic Progressive Party is in charge, they don’t — any talks are limited to “informal channels.”
Really, I ‘d think it would be the other way araound.
It’s functionally the same thing.
Isn’t that enough? This hatred for Russia that saved our ass in WW2 has gone on forever and must stop.
“Both we and President Zelensky have said numerous times that we believe this war will end through negotiations,” the spokesperson said. “Despite Mr. Putin’s words, we have seen no actions to indicate he is interested in ending this war. If he was, he would pull back his forces and stop his ceaseless attacks on Ukraine.”
I recall that before Russia launched their attack, diplomacy was rejected. I believe the term used was “out of hand”.
Neocons never negotiate. They just double down with more of the same.
Garland Nixon has fantastic Youtube clips on the topic. Highly recommended.
Twice. December, 2021. February, 2022. The “spokesperson” knows full well that one of the main reasons for the incursion by Russian forces was the preparation by Kiev for a massive push against the Donbas oblasts, which had been shelled by Kiev for 8 years, killing 14,000 Russian speaking Ukraine citizens. Oh h*ll, they all know.
VLP, what are you doing, brother? Please never say the word Russian without calling them stupid and evil for provoking and justifying the war we never unprovoked nor unjustified. Otherwise, the beating will continue until your morale improves.
And you know full well that the vast majority of the 14,000 killed were combatants, and that many of them were not killed by Kiev.
Odd how the “preparation for a massive push against the Donbas oblasts” just happened to coincide with (although starting later than) a giant Russian troop mobilization on the borders of those oblasts.
You never seem to let facts get in the way of believing what you want to believe because it’s what you want to believe.
Ukrainian soldiers deserted the fascists attacks on eastern oblasts and then fought against the Nazi side in a civil war that Russia tried for years to stay out of. The reason Nazis were activated is Ukreonian troops wouldn’t shoot their neighbors. I saw a film where unarmed civilians surrounded truckloads of troops and successfully demanded they hand over ther rifle clips before they let the troops return to their base.
Our Government is made up out of a bunch of liars and thieves.
… the vast majority of the 14,000 killed were combatants killed in self defense when the Nazis invaded their lands.
Fixed, no charge.
There was a video broadcast about 2 hours per week that showed many civilian apartment buildings were shelled. Ukrainian soldiers showed their swastika tattoos proudly. One blond young woman soldier boarding a bus was a school teacher who left her job to rush to the front. When the news crew stopped her and asked why she said she was going to fight Nazis who were funded by the US. Then she turned and ran onto the bus. When half way up the boarding stairs, she turned with a friendly twinkle in her eye and said in perfect English; “And you tell Obama to keep his black ass out of Ukraine.” Most liberal progressives would probably think she was blatantly racist; she was moving fast but I saw a twinkle in her eyes that made me think differently.
Weren’t Ukrainian forces mobilizing also?
Jacques Baud, former Swiss Army, Nato, UN Conflict Monitoring, EU Conflict Monitoring says different.
Zelensky’s decree that Ukraine would take back Crimea, which occurred about a year before hostilities broke out, was the match that started the fire.
https://seemorerocks.is/decree-of-the-president-of-ukraine-no-117-2021/
The thing I found most odd about February 2022 was that as Russia was sending troops to the border, Kyev was sending troops to the Donbas.
Your same proven false repeated line.
You have no morals. Dishonest prick.
The only thing that gets repeated here are your ad hominin attacks on the good folks who come here to speak rationally about important topics that are waaay over your head.
Get educated.
“before Russia launched their attack, diplomacy was rejected. I believe the term used was “out of hand.”
Right you are – the exact words – even in mainstream press:
NYT, “Roots of Ukraine’s War”
“What is at the root of this invasion? Russia considers Ukraine within its natural sphere of influence, and it has grown unnerved at Ukraine’s closeness with the West and the prospect that the country might join NATO…
“After the Soviet Union collapsed, NATO expanded eastward, eventually taking in most…European nations that had been in the Communist sphere…As a result, NATO moved hundreds of miles closer to Moscow, directly bordering Russia. And in 2008, it stated that it planned — some day — to enroll Ukraine…
“Russia presented NATO and the US in December…a set of written demands that it said were needed to ensure its security. Foremost among them are a guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO…The West dismissed the main [diplomatic] demands out of hand.”
If he was, he would pull back his forces and stop his ceaseless attacks on Ukraine.
Isn’t that what was offered before Bojo put the kibosh on it?
Yes. But I was speaking of pre-invasion. If we went to the talks you speak of, there would be a shitload less people dead and Ukraine would damn near be whole.
not a Putin fan but “we have seen no actions to indicate he is interested in ending this war.
If he was, he would pull back his forces and stop his ceaseless attacks
on Ukraine.”
is that saying we want to see Putin end the war before we discuss ending the war ?
Correct. Biden is an idiot surrounded by idiots.
Sorry to say, but it’s idiots all the way down.
I voted for the lead idiot. Makes me an idiot. Obviously, more idiots did too. Want to re-elect him. Who else? Trump? What a choice. Two liars. Our country has become a sh*thole country.
You have to be a US citizen to vote.
Not planning on voting unless I write in. Still pondering which one, perhaps ……, ah well, never mind.
I can remember when the United States stood for more than just blackmail, thievery, violence, …
I am writing in Doug Macgregor for President and Thomas Massie for Veep.
Scott Ritter comes to mind
I think Massie brings legislative experience to the ticket whereas Ritter and Macgregor are both military men.
Any person who advocates for a change in policy will be cut off at the knees or get eliminated if he gathers strength.
Perhaps Mickey Mouse.
Yes indeed filled with corrupt Asshole politicians.
It is not correct to blame all of this on Biden. He is controlled by many different interests. Too bad these interests are not ours. I do hold him responsible for Gaza. If he stopped the slaughter AIPAC would drive him out.
“is that saying we want to see Putin end the war before we discuss ending the war ?”
yep – ‘if putin were serious about negotiating how the war will end, first he’d end the war…
…cuz, c’mon – how can p’s professed readiness to negotiate be taken seriously…
…when – talk about non-starters – he continues to refuse the negotiation pre-conditions of “full Russian withdrawal, Russia giving up Crimea, war crimes tribunals [for himself and high actors for atrocities they must admit and submit themselves to the UN criminal court for], and Russia paying reparations”?
If he withdrawals we most likely move in with the nukes. I mean c’mon now. It has been well established by ex big wigs in the US foreign policy apparatus that we promised Gorbachev we wouldn’t expand NATO eastward, then we did. Why do you think Putin invaded in the first place? I mean what would we do if Putin tried to get nukes in Cuba again? Same thing as before. We aren’t the good guys anymore. It sucks, but it is the truth.
I am not sure that America has always been on the side of the angels.I read something about wiping out the First Americans,killing the Buffalo and a small thing called slavery as well as dropping two Nukes on a defeated country. Now we have a difference of opinion on guns,abortion,medicine,education and war or peace.
Putin is ending the war the old fashioned way, by killing off the Ukie army and winning on the battler field. It’s not for the winners to cease and desist, but the losers to see they won’t WIN…!!!!!!
It’s been more than 18 months since either side could make any kind of credible claim to be “winning.” The only question is which side gets tired of losing first.
Russia does seem to be winning the war of attrition, though. Not necessarily because of their great martial prowess, but rather as a function of the initial balance of power and their depth in defense strategy. They are a bigger, more powerful country so unless there is some kind of internal collapse in Russia the Ukrainian position only gets weaker from here on out. This piece on the front page lays it out pretty clearly:
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/zaluzhny-zelensky-ukraine/
Of course they are, you Putin lover. Of course.
You and your BS non existent data.
BTW, if we are going toto base it on attrition, Russia has lost more manpower and materiel than Ukraine.
And that is a fact.
If you mean war of attrition by who can afford to lose more of the above, well, being a dictatorship, Russia can mobilize more but that’s tied to their economy.
If Putin as the richest man on earth is willing to sacrifice his personal wealth on this war, he may get a chance to win it.
It’s OK. He’s relying on an academic from the Quincy Institute to come up with his analysis!
I am? Who?
“Anatol Lieven is Director of the Eurasia Program at the Quincy Institute…”
Have you heard the news? You’ve jumped the shark:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/putin-supporter-covers-a-multitude-of-thought-crimes/
“Andrew Earvolino is a Communications Associate at the Quincy Institute.”
You just can’t help yourself, can you?
Right now? You are correct. Russia SEEMS to be winning. Avdiivka may be taken by the Russians soon. (Probably a push for Putin to have some kind of victory before his election. And I say HIS election because they disqualify othe candidates.)
But in the long-term, no one can be sure about victory. You always look like a tool because you will fall back on tired themes of “Russia is bigger” and “initial balance of power”. You see things from a child’s point-of-view. Example: what was the size of the US and the balance of power compared to Vietnam from 1965-1975?
We shall see.
Example: what was the size of the US and the balance of power compared to Vietnam from 1965-1975?
Bad example. If Vietnam had bordered the US, Vietnam would no longer exist. Keep things in perspective.
You think American logistics was bad and THAT’S why we lost? Why don’t you read-up on it and don’t be such an a**?
I’m saying if Vietnam was on our border and an actual threat to our security, Vietnam would no longer exist. Try to get that brain to function.
I think your premise is flawed. How’s Cuba make out?
No, it isn’t. And Cuba doesn’t have anything to do with this hypothetical.
Cuba? Not so good what with the decades of economic sanctions. Also you’re as confused as ever, comparing jungle warfare and COIN warfare in SE Asia with trench warfare in the Ukrainian steppes. Either way, the balance of power did start out in the favor of the USA and continued to be in the its favor for the duration of the war. The balance of power is not the only factor that determines the outcome of a conflict. Another important factor is the will to fight. Russia seems to also be winning on that count too as there are tens of thousands of Russian joining their military every month. This is beyond conscription. This at the same time Ukraine is having a hard time passing a conscription bill and having to grab people off the street to fill the ranks of its army.
The outcome almost certainly depends (as it has depended since the second or third month of the war) on whether Russia’s adversaries, with their many multiples of its (and its North Korean and Iranian partners’) ability to produce weapons and ordnance, continue to possess the political will to keep Ukraine in those weapons and that ordnance.
If that political will collapses, then the war likely devolves into yet another Afghanistan and it may be a decade or more before the Russian troops leave Kherson and Zaporizhia.
If that political will continues, then the Russian withdrawal probably happens a good deal sooner.
“with their many multiples of its (and its North Korean and Iranian partners’) ability to produce weapons and ordnance”
If this is true why can’t the collective West keep Ukraine supplied with artillery shells? Is this because of Western corruption? Is it (as you said) lack of political will?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/11/ukraine-outgunned-and-exhausted-what-hope-if-us-military-aid-dries-up
Odd how you disblieve anything and everything “they” claim … except when “they” claim something you want to hear.
Everyone is claiming it not just western propagandists. When “they” start claiming it as well I would think that it should be obvious that the collective West can’t keep up with Russia. I don’t know why that is as like you noted we should have the capacity of outproduce Russia.
When the US military industrial complex wanted to sell more missiles, there was suddenly a magic “missile gap.”
When the US military industrial complex wanted to sell more bombers, there was suddenly a magical “bomber gap.”
Now the US military industrial complex wants to sell more artillery shells, but surely there’s nothing sus about the “artillery ammunition gap.”
The Ukrainians have supposedly been out of ammo for 18 months now, and yet their guns continue to fire. Must be magic.
I admit I am not on the ground and that the Ukrainian military might be doing just fine.
I doubt they’re doing just fine.
Neither side seems to be doing just fine.
It’s been “unstoppabble force versus immovable object” (with roles swapped based on which side is attempting an offensive) for more than a year-and-a-half now.
The question is which side gets tired enough to make large concessions first. And that question stretches outside of the military realm and into the political and economic realms.
The Russian regime is betting that the western regimes lose their political will to continue subsidizing Kyiv first, in large part due to voter burnout on “the cause” and economic damage from the loss of Russian petroleum.
The Kyiv regime and its western controllers are betting that the Russian regime will lose its political will, or even its ability, to continue trying to hold what it’s partially, provisionally taken and uneasily holds first, in large part due to economic damage from sanctions and the massive differential, advantage west, in the ability to manufacture and deliver weapons and munitions to the battlefield. They also hope, almost certainly in vain, for a Russian popular uprising against the Kremlin (the equivalent of “voter burnout” in terms of battlefield effect).
I don’t see either side “winning” in terms of accomplishing its announced objectives, because I see no sign that either side’s bets are likely to pay off.
The Ukrainians aren’t going to get Crimea back, and probably won’t get Donetsk and Luhansk back.
The Russians aren’t going to “demilitarize and de-Nazify” Ukraine, aka regime change it, and probably won’t end up with the Kherson oblast or more than a coastal sliver of the Zapozizhia oblast.
Absent some kind of more unpredictable collapse than either side seems to be betting on, it will probably eventually return to “frozen conflict,” only with Donetsk and Luhansk now within the Russian, rather than Ukrainian, lines.
If the Russians can finally take Avdiivka, they might be able to secure Donetsk, GTFO out Kherson and Zaporzizhia, and proclaim “victory” and a unilateral ceasefire. That might save what’s left of Putin’s face with the Russian public and what’s left of his ass with his oligarch masters, who probably pushed this fiasco on him (he’s not stupid, so it’s unlikely that the whole idiotic idea was his) in the first place.
Time will tell. It’s going on 5 months of the U.S. congress trying to pass more funding for Ukraine so it looks like the western regimes are losing political will. It also seems like Ukrainians are losing the will to fight given their reported recruitment troubles. Unfortunately we are both dependent on the “lying media” (both western and Russian) for our information.
Well, that’s the thing — Congress has very limited control over funding for Ukraine. The executive branch can lean on, and is leaning on, other regimes to take up the slack while Congress fights, even on the unlikely assumption that previously approved aid has actually all been distributed and used and on the somewhat less unlikely assumption that the executive branch and MIC aren’t just continuing it without saying so (ever heard of Iran-Contra?). It would take a change of the presidency, at a minimum, to really stop the gravy train.
As for the information, yes, we have conflicting sources, each with its own bias, to draw on. I try to view them all skeptically. Which is why you’ve not seen me blathering nonsense about Ukrainian “thunder runs to Crimea” or the Russian forces “taking Odessa then rolling on to Lviv.” I try to pour truckloads of salt on virtually every claim, with a little bit less for admissions against interest. That, and not giving a tinker’s damn which regime “wins” or “loses,” is the best I can do.
I say let them fight it out (ideally at the negotiating table), but keep my tax dollars out of it. We’ve spent trillions and trillions of dollars over the last two decades plus throwing money down the toilet with nothing to show for it but dead and disabled soldiers not to mention the millions of dead civilians in the developing world. There’s also the nagging issue of the debt. Enough is enough. Not that I’m under any illusion that this is going to stop, above board or covertly, lieu an economic collapse in the USA.
On that point, we agree completely. I oppose any and all US involvement in the matter. I just don’t see much likelihood of getting my way on that.
Won’t be long before you have the answer.
I think that’s israel is doing. So dont you dare criticizing them. They are ending the war the Putin way. The way you support.
But but but…
You made your statement.
On record.
You have 7 days to delete it.
You mean Putin should pull back his troops in good faith like he did when negotiations were going on in Istanbul?
Did Putin ever pulled troops out of Ukraine.
Yes, he did, but only after he got his ass handed to him in Kyiv, Kharkiv and kherson.
Not because he was negotiating in good faith. Your timing is off, dipsh!t.
Apparently you didn’t listen to the interview.
Standard US policy. The other side must agree to every demand made by the US before the US will sit at any negotiating table.
Impeach the idiot in the White House. Fire his entire policy staff wherever they serve and forbid them from holding any office above Animal Control Officer for the rest of their lives.
I like animals, so no. These are cruel and soulless fuckers.
My mistake. I shouldn’t have suggested animals. Should have been republican Control Officers.
My apologies.
Forgiven.
Anybody other than a scared warmonger progressive liberal democrat is fine with me.
To be replaced with who or what?
As long as there are weapons to sell and money to launder, there will be NO peace. As bad as Biden is, our Congress is no better.
Short and to the point as well as 100% accurate.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1318e9bb6a0d181b2c83754858763ccb701f458bee9d50e645af49f58bfa4d1d.jpg
Disinformation.
That little birdie wouldn’t be Q would it?
The usual problem with Root (at least since 2006 when I noticed him) is figuring out when he’s lying and when he’s just an idiot. This one, as usual, smacks heavily of both.
Stupid Putin. It’s obvious that the west has no interest in honest negotiations. He’s a fool to not understand this by now.
He absolutely does understand it.
Yes, that’s the point. There have been several moments that seem to clarify he’s blaming himself for having been too trusting, primarily with regard to European leaders and with Merkel particularly. Perhaps he was inclined already to be more cynical with respect to US regimes (even though cynicism is something which you can never have enough of when dealing with respective US regimes) but he then seemed to make somewhat of a favourable exception for the Bushes, son and dad. After all he was comfortable enough with W to let him peer into his soul. And that’s not something even I, openness incarnate, imagine to be feeling at ease with.
Then why would he say that he’s open to diplomacy??
He almost certainly said it because he is open to negotiation. That has been Russia’s position from the beginning.
Knowing that the West is uninterested in negotiating isn’t a reason for Russia to be uninterested. Who knows? The West might decide, some day, to show up, ready to talk without preconditions.
Also, note that Putin suggested that Carlson tell Ukraine to come to the table. It was Ukraine and Russia that almost negotiated a resolution in the first weeks of the conflict and it is Ukraine that is suffering the consequences of being led by the West into a disastrous war. It is Ukraine that has the most to gain by negotiating and the most to lose by not negotiating.
You wrote “He almost certainly said it because he is open to negotiation.” Negotiation makes sense with countries that are also interested in diplomacy, like South Africa, India, China, Brazil, etc., but it is useless with Ukraine and NATO. Even if an agreement is reached, the CIA will just tell Ukraine to ignore any agreement. Russia tried diplomacy for 8 years with the Minsk Agreements for 8 and it failed, so there is no logical reason to believe that it work this time.
“Who knows? The West might decide, some day, to show up, ready to talk without preconditions.” I hate to sound like an asshole, but if you believe that you are just as delusional as the Kremlin. They might negotiate without preconditions, but they can’t be trusted anyway, so there is no point. The only language NATO understands is force. Diplomacy is useless. There are 2 ways for Russia to resolve this – one is to crush Ukraine, take Kiev, and install a government. The other is to pound them into submission, dictate terms that involve the Ukrainian government’s and military’s unconditional surrender where Russia installs a government, takes at least the Russian speaking parts and rounds up and executes Azov and other NAZI groups.
I don’t think you understand. Being open to negotiation is not the same thing as believing that the US-NATO-Ukraine will negotiate in good faith and honor their commitments. Being open to negotiation is a low-cost way of being open to possibilities that are vastly preferable to continuing war, although they are fairly unlikely to manifest. Being open to negotiation is also the right stance for a nation at war that cares about its image and reputation (particularly in the non-Western world) to adopt and maintain.
Russia has no interest in crushing Ukraine and installing a government. It does not want to have to occupy regions heavily populated with people possessed of a visceral hated for Russians. That would be a stupid and enormously expensive and destructive move if is can be avoided. If there’s no other way to create facts on the ground that provide the security the Russian leadership has decided is necessary they may do it, but they are clearly reluctant.
You write as if you are confident that you know better what’s best for Russia than Russia’s leaders. That’s very unlikely to be true.
Russia is putting itself in a corner by saying it’s open to negotiations. If NATO wants to negotiate and Russia says no, NATO can accuse Russia of going back on its word and being warmongers. But if Russia signs an agreement it’s going to be a repeat of the Minsk agreements where Ukraine ignores the agreements, Russia complains for years but nobody cares. It makes more sense for Russia to say that it tried diplomacy for 8 years but Ukraine and NATO cannot be trusted so war is the only option. The rest of the world hates NATO and Israel anyway and knows they are warmongers and aren’t trustworthy.
I know that Russia has no plans to crush Ukraine, but that is what it needs to do, or force them to surrender unconditionally. Russia needs to either take over all of Ukraine or at least the Russian speaking part and install a Russian gov’t in Kiev. If they leave the government in place, Ukraine will continue to be a thorn in Russia’s side.
And I do know better than the Kremlin. I said 10 years ago that diplomacy was useless and that Russia should attack. I was widely ridiculed as an idiot and warmonger but I have been proven right. Putin, Lavrov and others are naive and gullible if they think diplomacy will work now.
“Needing” to do something and “being able” to do something are two different things.
“f NATO wants to negotiate and Russia says no . . .”
That’s not going to happen.
“And I do know better than the Kremlin. I said 10 years ago that diplomacy was useless and that Russia should attack. I was widely ridiculed as an idiot and warmonger but I have been proven right.”
Sigh.
If Putin agrees to a diplomatic resolution its’s going to be a repeat of the failed diplomacy of the last 30 years, and I don’t think he will survive politically, and doesn’t deserve to. I don’t know why he and Lavrov thought diplomacy would work with a government installed in a US/UK coup would work. It just shows how naive they ware (and are).
Biden and the neocons have been all in on this Ukraine debacle since 2014 when they started the conflict. They cannot disengage and have no path to victory.
Tragically they have no concerns about how many people will die.
It is a shameful stain on America and Americans.
“It is a shameful stain on America and Americans, BUT does NOT compare to the stain that blights Israel for the GAZA GENOCIDE including BIDEN SENDING 2000 & 5000 POUND BOMBS TO Netanyahu to drop on GAZANS families & homes TO drive them out to become refugees. It is a terrible thing to do to innocent Jewish people, to tar them with NAZI GENOCIDAL ACTS & THE SLAUGHTER OF CHILDREN, AS the Obama official told the hilal vendor said “4000” (dead Children) “ISN’T ENOUGH.”
That is exactly how the US provoked this war. That is why Biden and Blinken and Sullivan and Nuland are responsible for this war.
They have learned nothing from disaster. Perhaps they don’t think it is a disaster — only Ukraine has been hurt. Defense contractor are making money and donating. The EU’s competition with the US has been crippled. The US has decoupled from Russia. The US has regained control of its old “Free World,” albeit in a reduced form. Israel has been freed to go on a rampage for Nakba 2.0, and the Israel Project was always central to neocon thinking.
It is quite possible that our neocons think this is what success looks like.
This is a measure of them. Rather like the measure we finally took of others like them in 1945-6.
Why negotiate when there is more profit to be had for the defense companies?
When the intent is to completely destroy and depopulate Ukraine, US neocons are all for maintaining the status quo. Victoria “f-ck the EU” Nuland must be laughing her ass off. She’s getting her fondest wish, a catastrophic war to end all wars that will be the end of the USA, Russia, and most of humanity. Millions of US so-called Christian Zionists are all for it.
How will the US step in to gather the riches of Ukraine if nothing is left?
It’s the soil, Wendell. Cargill has wet dreams about topsoil 6ft. deep.
“Ukraine has the largest area of agricultural land in Europe with approximately 43 m ha of land out of which 32.5 m ha are used for crop production. Fertile soil (Ukraine accounts for c.25% of global black soil, known as “chernozem”) and moderate climate give Ukrainian agri producers strong competitive advantages.”
https://soilbiotics.com/media/Agriculture_in_Ukraine_by_Argus.pdf
They would like to bring Putin down and reap Siberia. That is what is at stake in Africa except the African nations prefer China.
“Lets Just Fight”… Too bad they are running out of ammunition, tanks, fighters and MONEY… Their air force no longer exists, their Navy rests on the bottom. But Boris implores they fight on. perhaps Boris is the enemy.
You must be talking about your sh!t army of criminals and cannon fodders
Lol
Ukraine without a Navy has destroyed your black sea Navy.
Ukraine is exporting their grains unimpeded.
Russia can only flight bombing sorties from way way out.
But let’s say you are remotely right…
all those advantages and you cannot even take Krinky defended by just 15 Ukrainians.
Come on.
Stop making those statements, you aren’t cheering your boys, you are embarrassing them, d bag.
The way i see it, if Russia is a military superpower, what does that make Ukraine.
A small poor country that has given them hell at the near peer level.
Either Russia sucks that bad or Ukraine is smaller but proportionally that much better. I’ll go with the latter.
Biden has more important thing to take care of .
“Some companies are trying to pull a fast one by shrinking the products little by little and hoping you won’t notice,” Biden said in a video posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, ahead of Super Bowl LVIII.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-calls-snack-companies-stop-171303223.html
Shrinking like Joe’s brain,
Shrivel.
… And US was perfectly genuine when told new Russia post 1991 that they wouldn’t expand NATO One Inch East…!
And Russia told the world they would guarantee the sovereignty of Ukraine if they gave up their nukes.
And if the US had kept their promise, then you might have a point. You can’t eliminate what started this whole mess and then say the exact same thing would have happened regardless.
Promises made, promises broken. That’s how the world works. Grow the f**k up.
“And Russia told the world they would guarantee the sovereignty of Ukraine if they gave up their nukes.”
“Promises made, promises broken. That’s how the world works. Grow the f**k up.”
See how foolish you sound?
So, you believe that WHATEVER a country “promises”, they follow through? Hahaha. You’re like a 5 year old!
No, of course not. That was my point. But you seem to think anything Russia promised should be honored. You’ve been spouting about their disregard to that particular promise since you’ve been here while ignoring the original promise that started it all. Just reminding you of that fact.
This is hilarious. Biden’s excuse for not negotiating is that Russia must surrender first. Then there can be “negotiations”.
LOL
As for pulling back troops. When the Biden-funded coupsters attacked Donbass in 2015, the people’s defense force surrounded the invaders. Putin mediated in negotiations. When the people of Donbass withdrew, the invaders attacked again.
After the Minsk II agreement, the coup regime has repeatedly broken the agreement by shelling Donbass, killing more than 10,000 people and making more than 100,000 people homeless over seven years. They also stole all the pensions from the old people, just like they stole the pensions of the old people in Crimea.
When Russia saved Donbass from invasion in 2022, negotiations were held in Turkey, and when the papers were almost completely finished Russia withdrew its forces from Kiev. The illegal regime then started attacking Donbass again.
They can never be trusted, they will break any agreement.
It has not been Russia that has broken or ignored many treaties over the years.
GOOD!.. To end the conflict now would leave Odessa in the hands of NATO and would lead to a larger war down the road.
There can be no terms than the unconditional surrender of the Kiev regime that will guarantee peace and stability in the region.
You dipsh!t Rissian propagandists wont get sh!t.
Ukraine is a free and sovereign country.
Pull the f out before it becomes your Afghanistan part 2.
If there can’t be terms other than unconditional surrender, then there won’t be terms.
Either way, the Odessa in Ukraine is about as likely to fall into Russian hands as the Odessa in Missouri or the Odessa in Ontario or Nova Odessa in Brazil are.
then there won’t be terms.
Not surrendering doesn’t mean undefeated. It just means you’re a whole lot worse off than you were before – which has been par for the course with Ukraine.
A) as to unconditional surrender – Ukraine can keep its Emperor; I dunno that we need to push Tokyo i mean Kiev on that matter.
B) they can have the one in Ontario & all the Ontario people & their stoopid “cyar” and “Detroyet” accent.
As a moderator I’m wondering about why you allow the commenter Don Julio to make the following types of remarks towards other commenters to this site (just random samples from this article):
“In your dreams, b!tch.” Directed to MvGuy
“Hypocrite. Lecturing the dude on the very sh!t you fail to practice. No, YOU Suck it, Putin Fluffer.” Directed to ‘spy on this’
“Your timing is off, dipsh!t.” Directed at Mary Myers
“You have no morals. Dishonest prick.” Directed at vlp1730
Is this considered acceptable commenting by AntiWar.com?
My job is to enforce the site’s guidelines. The guidelines don’t forbid that kind of thing. And if they did, quite a few people here wouldn’t be here anymore.
Or, the “quite a few” would have followed those guidelines.
FJB hope he has a stroke!
Putin is stupid and I will prove it to you right here. Dude! He is so stupid. Why would anybody with their straight mind risk to negotiate rather than carry on with a war? Huh? I mean, think how much you would lose if you negotiate or even just try to negotiate? He is such an idiot. I’m glad the entire world realizes his utter stupidity.
It is “apparently” Ukraine’s war but the US place to reject peace talks? The real translation here is Ukraine hasn’t lost bad enough yet.
https://www.thepostil.com/author/jacques-baud/page/2/
Jaques Baud Former Swiss Army, Nato, UN Eu Conflict Monitor on
the War.
America has no diplomats so they are unable to negotiate peace.
FJB the American Idiot!
Ultimately, it’s up to Americans to deal with traitorous, dishonorable occupiers in all branches of US government as well as its military occupation forces.
Headline should read: Nuland rejects putin’s offer … …
Clarifies who is make decisions on Ukraine just as she is about Iraq snd Syria; she was very quick to “clarify” that there would be no pull out from Iraq and Syria.
Jeez, her family of war mongers must relish any continuation of war/occupation.
Millions have fled. Hundreds of thousands have died, and Zelensky intends to increase that number by several hundred thousand more. Ukraine is bankrupt, with almost no air defenses and barely a handful of artillery shells. Mariupol is lost. Bakhmut is lost. Avdivka will be lost by this time next month. Ukraine will very likely lose Odessa and ALL of its access to the Black Sea by this time next year.
None of that bother’s Biden. His dimmed eyes still envision a Russia that will be weaker, and a US that 𝒘𝒐𝒏❜𝒕 be weaker. That’s all that seems to matter to him, and it will be his undoing.