A top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the West needs to keep backing Ukraine’s war with Russia and hit back at comments made by Italian Prime Minister Georgia Meloni about growing war fatigue.
Meloni made the comments last week while on the phone with Russian pranksters, who she thought were African Union officials. “There is a lot of fatigue, I have to say the truth, from all the sides. We are near the moment in which everybody understands that we need a way out,” Meloni said.
Andrii Yermak, the head of Zelensky’s office, claimed the West would be less safe if it stopped fueling the proxy war. “Even if there are people who feel this fatigue, I’m sure they don’t want to wake up in a world tomorrow where there will be less freedom and less security, and the consequences of this last for decades,” he said.
Yermak’s pushback comes amid mounting signs that Ukraine will struggle to maintain the support it needs from the US and NATO to keep the war going. NBC News reported last week that US and European officials have finally broached the idea of peace talks with Kyiv after discouraging negotiations throughout the conflict.
Time Magazine’s cover story for this month quoted officials close to Zelensky who said the Ukrainian leader “deludes himself” into thinking Ukraine can beat Russia. A military official said even if Ukraine gets all the weapons it needs from the West, it doesn’t have the manpower to use them.
Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Gen. Valery Zaluzhny acknowledged the war is a “stalemate” and said it’s unlikely Ukrainian forces will make a breakthrough, drawing a rebuke from Zelensky. “Time has passed, people are tired, regardless of their status, and this is understandable,” Zelensky said. “But this is not a stalemate, I emphasize this once again.”
President Biden has failed to secure new funds to spend on the proxy war as Israel’s onslaught on Gaza has become the priority for many members of Congress. Ukrainian officials have expressed concern that Israel’s war will sap Western support for its conflict.
As much as I support Ukraine it MUST remember that the potential for this conflict to escalate is huge… The US needs to navigate, very carefully or we could become entangled in a much larger and far more disastrous war… The potential for a World War is large and a World War will be nuclear…
The extremely dumb politicians and a few Generals think they can win and survive Nuclear exchanges. Perhaps so but how livable will the planet be.
What makes you think Russian nukes will even fly?
S-400s = failure
Hypersonic missiles = when was the last time you heard about them?
Armata tanks = failure
Black sea naval vessels = sunk or moved out of the area
Ground gains = only accomplished with “Meat Waves”
Avdiivka offensive = stalled
All of this Russian “success” you tankies talk about. Do you even care there is no evidence of it?
Do you know where the war is taking place? How whole is Ukraine? I shudder to think what Ukraine would look like if all those failures had been successes.
Successes from Feb 2022. Is THAT what you’re going with?
You called everything Russia has done in this war a failure. So, if those “failures” have led to where the war is presently at, and that being a Ukraine with less land and a severely damaged infrastructure, I was curious as to what Ukraine would look like today if Russia had been successful. Actually, I shudder to think what Ukraine would look like today if, in your mind, Russia had been successful. Got it?
If Russia had been successful, they’d have at least secured Donetsk by now.
It’s very possible to have a war in which none of the sides achieve their goals. Unless Putin’s goal is to pour blood and treasure down a perpetual sinkhole, and unless Zelenskky doesn’t care about getting at least some of what’s been occupied back, this is one of those wars.
To be fair they do have a land bridge to Crimea which seems to be a pretty big deal. They also have built an impenetrable defensive line upon which the Banderites in Kiev have sacrificed at least 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers over the last 4 months. So if one of the Russians goals is to attrit the Ukrainian army it seems that they have had some measure of success.
Yes, they’ve managed the land bridge, and effectively secured one of the two seceded oblasts.
There’s no such thing as an “impenetrable” defensive line, in Ukraine or anywhere else, but the Ukrainians would be wiser to maintain the overall defensive than to waste who knows (you don’t and I don’t) how many lives if ineffectual offensives. That seems to be a lesson the Russian side learned from Bakhmut.
While I agree in principle, I would argue that the Surovikin line is functionally impenetrable at least by the Ukrainian army as currently constituted. Obviously that may change, but it seems to me that the failed offensive was the best shot that Ukraine was going to get. I also agree that the Ukrainians would be wiser to go on the defensive, but we are not dealing with rational actors. We are dealing with ideologues and a president who is not long for this world.
I tend to think that Bakhmut was a failed offensive qua pyrrhic victory where the Russians realized they could attrit the Ukrainian army on a large scale in a singular battle. While the Russians were also suffering casualties they were mostly Wagner. It was Ukraine’s singular focus on Bakhmut that allowed the Russians time to build and reinforce the Surovikin line.
After smashing their army on the Russians defensive line they are now doubling down and repeating the Bakhmut mistake in Avdiivka. The Ukrainians are stubbornly holding the line and reinforcing instead of pulling back and defending as it is reported Zaluzhnyi wants to do. I remember reading (I can’t remember where) a month or two back about former Wagner units massing near Avdiivka, but haven’t heard anything more about it.
The truth is probably that the Ukrainians are a bit better off than I tend to believe the the Russians are a bit worse off. I tend to ignore neocon/MSM propaganda outfits so my news is primarily form Antiwar, Consortiumnews, European, and Russian sources. Therefore I may be overestimating the Russian advantage. We shall see I guess.
I agree and I didn’t say it was a success. The war would be over if Russia had been successful. But labeling what they have done as a failure is equally inaccurate.
War involves objectives.
If you achieve those objectives, it’s success.
If you don’t achieve those objectives, it’s failure.
Unless the Russian objective was “let’s spend nearly two years at war without securing one of the two seceded oblasts we supposedly went into protect and in which we supposedly enjoy overwhelming popular support, let alone two more that we partially occupied and pretended to annex,” the Ukraine war is a failure for the Russians regime.
Unless the Ukrainian objective was “let’s spend nearly two years at war without completely retaking any of those four oblasts we claim to want to retake, let alone Crimea, which we also announced as an objective,” the Ukraine war is a failure for the Ukrainian regime.
Well, if you put time limits on either side’s objectives, you would be right.
Not everything (but I agree with you ARE correct about one thing I wrote).
RECENT ground gains. (Sorry about that. I’ll endeavor to be more concise in the future.)
My question to you is: Do you believe the current situation is what Putin would consider a “success”? (I think we ALL know the answer to that.)
I don’t really care what Putin thinks. I was questioning your description of this war. You talk as though Russia has been soundly defeated while their squatting on Ukrainian land and destroying Ukraine’s infrastructure. I want Russia to leave Ukrainian territory and the only possible way for that to happen is diplomacy. Otherwise, this will be what everyone is calling it, a stalemate. And who hurts more in a stalemate? Not the country squatting on another country’s land.
Citation(s) needed. Your spew is getting boring and repetitive.
If you need a citation… Lol
Oryx has the documentation you seek; or do you want me to add the videos?
Yes, please.
Oh yea ? well maybe 160 billion worth of junk US and allies supplied to Ukraine can fly
they cannot even fly 1 plane due to those laughable as u say S 400
all ex soviet era fleet is gone from Ukraine even supplied from all ex former soviet block countries so we have do supply old F16 –
that is answer to your failed S 400
just turn on logic if you have any
it kind a goes against your nick name ” rational ” , 🙂 just saying
Are you just randomly hitting punctuation keys?
Iwasgoingtoreplyseriouslybutyouseemtohaveanissuewithrunonsentencesandican’tbebothered
Run ons notwithstanding she schooled your ass. Now get bent neocon tool!
You forgot the “stealth” SU-57.
They won’t dare flying those over Ukraine.
I’ll do you one better! How many Su-25s have been eliminated in the last 2 weeks?
Ukrainians ? 24 exactly
here how it works
false missile is sent to air field Ukrainian fighters lift off their planes in air to avoid air strike
in interim drone guided missiles are shooting them down in the air like ducks
SU 35 which fires those missiles plus newest drones to aid it in tandem something for US , NATO to think about .
PS it is a modern warfare, not like to chase Arab flip floppers in a desert , even they got smarter with time, so keep sending more money for useless wars
Ummm, what?
“here how it works … after 22 months, the Russians have yet to even secure the Donbas.”
Fixed, no charge.
The Russians are rolling back NATO in their own good time… Remember, the first objective is demilitarization. That’s billions of Yankee equipment they have to chew through but if it’s any consolation, I also too wish they would do it faster.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-nightmare-ukraine-destroys-six-su-25s-in-less-than-a-month/ar-AA1je5nl
You support Ukraine? Lol.
I’ve read your posts and seen the people’s comments you gave likes to over the last 2 years.
Who are you trying to fool?
blaming Ukraine and their western instigators isn’t the same as not supporting them
DJ doesn’t do subtlety.
Tequila man isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer if you haven’t noticed. He needs to cut back and preserve as many brain cells as possible. His day drinking is really starting to adle his mind.
yes he is well known around here. one might say “infamous”
Yes, cause i call out your fake.
You can’t even English speak properly, let alone type it. Get a clue sporto. What’s your first language? Banderite?
Hey Shoigu, you must be smartest kid here.
You like to belittle anyone that disagrees with you.
It’s that your best come back?
Not working, fluffer. You and your stupid Army suck.
Definitely leagues and bounds smarter than you. You’re about as smart as a box of rocks. I don’t belittle everyone, just tools like yourself and Mr. Rational who are obvious neocon scum. Everything you believe and stand for has ruined this country. It would be better if your ideology was put in the dustbin of history where it belongs.
Oh shove your crap.
You guys are a bunch of anti west/ pro russian war and now are trying to show support for Ukraine.
Blaming Ukraine for getting invaded?
Im sure you blame Palestine for getting invaded too.
There will be more freedom and security for Ukraine when Zelensky and his supporters are deposed and a peace loving government is installed instead of fighting a stupid war with a much superior power. This war was not necessary and never would have started without the US putting its nose where it did not belong.Instead of looking for Ukraines freedom perhaps our political eyes should focus on the home front
Well the putting in of the nose was after all, a conscious and deliberate act going all the way back to pre-2014.
The West will be less safe ? , i don`t fear Russia i fear the Americans who have all ready set in motion WW3.
Yeah, and dont fear the country that pushed its entire army into Ukraine to satisfy some dumbass’ ego.
maybe the collective west has figured out that swallowing up Europe was not ever Russia’s goal in the first place
I don’t give them that much credit.
Or maybe it was a convenient ruse all along …
The time comes in every good grift or hustle when you have to pick up the cards and get lost one step ahead of the law. The Marks may still be showing up to be fleeced, but there are better swindles elsewhere and it’s time to close this racket.
Oh, maybe just one last $80B splurge, but this will be the last one …
Time to get off the gravy train, Zelensky. Biden needs to find a new patsy to improve his reelection odds. Out with the old …..
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/marching-toward-a-night-of-the-long
The Night Of The Long Knives In Ukraine.
Reminder: When the Bidensky supporters say “stalemate” they mean that Ukraine is losing. But they know they aren’t allowed to say that.
It’s not a stalemate just because there are no big changes on the map, the only thing most people will look at. For those who aren’t that lazy, a look at the numbers shows that Russia is killing or wounding hundreds of Ukrainians per day, destroying tanks and other vehicles paid for by Western taxpayers, while the Ukrainians have used up their reserves to fill the gaps and the reserves are being pummeled too.
The two “elite” brigades meant to exploit a non-existent breach in the Russian lines and reach the Sea of Azov have simply been used to replace defeated Ukrainians in meaningless positions in tiny villages in the grey zone, as a publicity stunt to show a small change on the map. Those brigades are dwindling.
That’s not a “stalemate”. It’s Ukraine’s last gasp. They know they’re completely defeated by spring. The Russians could have done it already if they were as willing to sacrifice their side’s troops the way Zelensky and Biden do.
Except when you’re wrong. Nice try though, son.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/first-ukrainian-marines-secured-a-bridgehead-across-the-dnipro-river-now-they-re-shuttling-armored-vehicles-across/ar-AA1jyxus?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9619df27ddc64aca8872c41c533993eb&ei=81
Forbes ? LOL nice try, van Winkle
What? Forbes is too MSM? Attach your sources, toolbag. You piss on sources that disagree with you. That’s quaint and childish.
We don’t need sources to document that there are no heavy weapons on the Russian side of the Dnieper. That’s not how it works. You make a claim and you have to document that it is in fact true. You really are dense, aren’t you?
1) Where did I claim there was “heavy equipment” on the left bank of the Dnipro?
2) The Ukrainians are advancing in that area and is pisses you off.
The link you posted to the Forbes article trying to claim heavy equipment on the Russian side of the Dnieper, or don’t you read the links you post?
Hey, Dips**t: Where did IIIIIII say there was heavy equipment on the left bank? Forbes is Forbes.
However, other media outlets are saying there’s armor around Krynky. Cry to them, little one!
And you seem to be challenged by the term “geolocation”. Here’s something that you can watch — like Sesame Street:
Typically when one links they are in agreement with what the article is saying. I guess you are unaware of this convention.
Where is this rule book posted?
Hey you do you. Be as incoherent as you wanna be.
Be as deluded as you wanna be.
Right. Delusion is assuming that when someone posts a link they are doing so because of what the link says. Got it.
It’s helpful that you are linking to so many Ukrainian U.S. MIC propagandists. Now I understand why your view is so warped.
Ukrainian U.S. MIC propagandists = people that don’t agree with my narrative and make me feel bad.
Maps are hard too, just like the word “geolocation”, correct?
I also realize you are unable to counter my posts with ACTUAL evidence…
Cool story bro. Ukraine has had small numbers of troops on the Russian side of the Dnieper for a couple of months now. Now they’ve made a few gains. Can they develop their position? Without armor? Good luck. Even if they manage to get some armor across the river they will never have enough to create a big problem for the Russians. All they accomplished is to once again create a sink for the lives of their men. A resource which they are quickly running out of. Speaking of geolocation you have probably seen the videos of the heavy Russian bombardment on the western bank of the Dnieper. Why do you think they are doing that? Just for shits and giggles? Do you have enough tactical sense to figure out why it is beneficial for the Russians that the Ukrainians now have a position on the east bank of the Dnieper that they have to reinforce and resupply? Can you figure it out? I doubt it as your head is so far up the Banderite’s ass that you can’t see your own nose.
Ooooo…so many Russian words. Get your lips off Putin’s a**, “bro”!
I see what’s happening better than you, son. I’ll keep supplying you with facts and maps and you keep trying to keep-it-real.
I see you are already several drinks in. I really think you need to lay off the booze. If you weren’t drunker than a skunk you could probably figure it out, but now you are too busy rage typing.
Dude, you are such a Putin fluffer.
Do you need evidence for that claim? Just read your own posts.
So no you can’t figure out why it is beneficial for the Russians that the Ukrainians now have a position on the east bank of the Dnieper that they have to reinforce and resupply? I mean I understand you are working with limited faculties, but you could at least try and use what brain power you do have to figure it out. Here’s a hint: it’s about bringing Ukraine’s concentrations of forces closer to the river. Got it? Or are you still drooling in your alcohol induced stupor over there in la la land?
ad-hominem personal attacks do not reinforce any point of view
Says the D-Bag who can’t back up his s**t!
i don’t need to back up my action. it is you who should try to back up his sh*t
Spoken like a true incompetent.
Geolocation is a b*tch, isn’t it, a**hole?
Geolocation of what? There is no geolocation of any heavy equipment on the Russian side of the Dnieper in this video, only a blurry photo of what is claimed to be a BTR, but even the poor propagandist on this channel is honest that it is not geolocated and that it is not confirmed to have survived the crossing.
Why do you try so hard to grasp at straws? Ukraine is obviously losing and will be luck to get out of this war with Black Sea access. If they had some brains they would get to the negotiating table ASAP and trade neutrality and no NATO membership for some land back.
Hey Shoigu, everything is going according to plans. Don’t panic.
“Ukraine is obviously losing and will be luck to get out of this war with Black Sea access.”
As a kid, you told yourself your father loved you too, didn’t you?
Geolocation of what?
if they had any brains, they would have came to the negotiating table after the Russians withdrew from the Kharkov area…at least then they could have made it look like a decent moral victory and tens of thousands more wouldnt have perished needlessly.
Next time he’ll cite CNN since now it’s an MSM news network you approve.
I really should start writing opinion about finding a unicorn in Forbes. At least there is one sucker who would consume that news like a church choir.
This guy must work for the Kremlin. They like to reverse the number of Russian soldiers killed and equipment destroyed, double or triple them then claim it as their own figures against Ukraine.
By now, Based on Kremlin figures, Ukraine has 15 soldiers and 3 tanks left on the entire frontline which is an embarrassment if you ask me because it shows the Russian inability to take out an Army that apparently doesn’t even exist.
Literally no one has claimed this. You should change your name to Don “strawman” Julio.
Says the guy that joined this blog couple months ago.
You should change your name to Shoigu.
Why?
I’ve been reading since 2003 after reading an interview with Seymour Hersh where he recommended it. Try again chump.
BS, you haven’t read jack.
If you had, you wouldn’t say what you said.
Ok. I guess you know better what I’ve been doing over the last 20 years. Go figure.
I like your style Frank. You know how to trigger Incel Adams. LOL
Says the guy that joined this blog couple months ago.
You should change your name to Shoigu.
Exactly! Russian MOD or Russian Pravda info only here people!
if you read CNN and such ukraininan forces already took Crimea and marching on main square in Moscow Fog of war full blast only difference it cost us 180 bln dollars , each family we like it or not in US paid for this bloody idiotic war 1000 $ and no end to it thanks uncle Biden for robbing us and killing not so smart Ukrainians who thought that they are going to win against much stronger and better prepared ” enemy ” who also used to consider them relatives .No more of that just graves in Ukraine and devastation, and complete destruction of what once was beautiful country . that is US specialty.
Yeah. And Putin is innocent.
GTFOH.
That article is based on a grainy, non-geolocated twitter video that they claim is a burning humvee. This is not evidenc and the fact that they are writing an article about it should tell you something about how desperate the MSM propagandists are getting for good news from Ukraine. The second source for the article is “an apparent Russian paratrooper writing for a popular Telegram channel.” So all in all it is a big nothingburger. You are a joke.
D. E. N. I. A. L.
What’s that an acronym for? You do know what an acronym is, don’t you?
FREUDIAN SLIP OF THE DECADE: “The war has been a strategic failure for Ukraine.” x 2
And a complete success for the Red Army 🤣
I never wanted it in the first place.