Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin’s plane was not downed by an “external impact” and claimed grenade fragments were found in the recovered bodies.
“The head of the Investigative Committee briefed me just the other day. Fragments of hand grenades were found in the bodies of those killed in the crash,” Putin said, according to Russia’s TASS news agency.
“There was no external impact on the plane, and this is an established fact, the result of an examination that was conducted by the Russian Investigative Committee,” he added.
When Prigozhin’s plane first crashed, there were rumors that it was downed by Russian air defenses. US officials made the claim to the media, but other US officials said they suspected an internal explosion that was caused by a bomb planted on the plane.
While Prigozhin’s death came about two months after his short-lived mutiny against the Russian military establishment, the Kremlin has insisted Putin was not involved, calling Western allegations “lies.” In his comments on Thursday, Putin suggested Prigozhin and the other Wagner members who died in the crash may have been on drugs.
“The investigation is ongoing, but, regrettably, no tests were carried out to determine whether alcohol or drugs were present in the blood of the deceased,” Putin said. He claimed five kilograms of cocaine was found by the Russian FSB in Prigozhin’s office in St. Petersburg. “In my opinion, a test of this kind should have been carried out, but it wasn’t,” Putin added.
Blah blah. Who believe this clown (Putin).
Even a more important event absent here is the Russian strike in a village killing over 50 civilians during a funeral.
Im sure it’ll be called a military target by Russia as usual.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/5/dozens-killed-attack-on-kharkiv-village
No one is buying your fake outrage.
That’s good because I’m not selling anything here.
You are selling war you knuckle dragging fascist. You are selling a proxy war with terminal stakes for human civilization. The U.S. has no business funding a proxy war in the Ukraine, just like Russia and China have no business funding proxy wars in our backyard. The U.S.A. should have been pushing for a negotiated settlement from the beginning instead of adding sparks to the tinderbox.
“Even a more important event absent here is the Russian strike in a village killing over 50 civilians during a funeral.”
I guess they learned from the real pros.
THE US HAS BOMBED AT LEAST EIGHT WEDDING PARTIES SINCE 2001
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/us-has-bombed-least-eight-wedding-parties-2001/
That’s nothing – Mad Madeline Albright said on 60 Minutes that 500,000 dead Iraqi kids as a result of bombings, embargoes, sanctions against Iraq was “worth it”. That was all before Bush the Boy invaded.
A very disturbing antiwar comment but coming from you, a very pro putin war supporter, who gives a fuk?
Just comparing goons.
He only sees from his left eye. The right eye has a fake pirate patch.
Are we being asked to take the word of tne Ukra-Nazi press office? have independent inbestigaters found evidence?
I was replying to someone who lives by the word of our MSM. So, I figured there was no point in waiting for any kind of independent verification. Plus, he claims he did 24 years in our military, so it was also a reminder that he has no place to talk about alleged war crimes.
Got it, sorry. And now with the ME, the plot gets murkier…??
Says the guy who cites regularly MSM here. You are ridiculous.
How convenient.
If it he was Ukraine striking a Russian funeral, you would’ve been all over that sh!t with or without verification.
Yes. I cited the NY Times when you said their piece about Russia outproducing the West in artillery production was bullshit. And I cited the Wall Street Journal on their admitting that the US knew Ukraine wasn’t prepared to have a successful counteroffensive and were relying on hope and courage. Those articles were right here at antiwar.com. and I only cited them because they are your sources. And I condemn all war crimes regardless of who commits them. Now if you can prove me wrong, have at it instead of just bluting out more bullshit.
You condemn all wars? Really?
Like you have condemned Russia’s war for the last 19 months? Lol.
You fuking liar.
You support the invasion and annexation of Ukraine so shut the hell up
Well, someone is lying on the topic you bring up. But it’s not wars r u.s.
Yep. And if you elaborate on the actual lie, that would be beneficial.
wars r u.s. has condemned the invasion of Ukraine many times, right here, including in direct replies to you.
You’re just lying when you pretend otherwise, and it’s not a clever or useful lie that helps your case. Quite the opposite, in fact.
when Knapp has to step in and prove you wrong then you should just give it up man
Quote me saying I have supported Russia’s invasion. You can’t. So, you just continue with the bullshit. I guess since you were once an admitted Putin fanboy, it just pisses you off that I wasn’t.
One more reason to not get married.
I didn’t think of it that way. I’ll add that to my list.
“Even a more important event absent here is the Russian strike in a village killing over 50 civilians during a funeral.”
True, if by “absent” you mean “right there on the front page.”
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By absent i meant not there yesterday nor there when i posted but good to see it at least made the sidelines.
Antiwar.com might rely on more than a phone call from Ukraine for verification.
Yes, you work there now. I see.
I said “might”. But I know comprehension isn’t your strong suit.
Eat sh!t, collaborator.
Good response. When all else fails, rely on the old standard.
oh Julio, you were doing so well for once.
but you just couldn’t help yourself, could you.
Boy you really are a fascist bootlicker, aren’t you?
It’s an established fact that you are a lying nuclear terrorist POS.
Which makes him a Presidential candidate right here in the US.
Well, can’t argue with that. Since your Manchurian candidates Obama and Trump, this country has definitely gone down the $fh!tter.
Right. I long for the days of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Raegan/Carter/Ford/Nixon….
All corrupt, just less hostile towards Americans.
How so?
Leaving for vacation, maybe another time.
Wars is a supporter of everything anti US.
Dont waste your time with him.
Nixon was actually a fairly good president ironically, in retrospect. He just got caught.
Nice contradiction.
Naw he delayed ending the Vietnam war so he could win by promising the North Vietnamese a better deal when he was in power. Many more innocents died because of his lust for power.
Maybe so, but look at what happended to this country with the “Democrats” in power. They are the war party now buck, or maybe both are…
Not shit sherlock we have two war parties. The schtick is that a small minority of a party suddenly finds Jesus and becomes antiwar when the other party is in power. Once they are back in power they revert to their true chicken hawk character (with a few exceptions).
The USA is an imperial power that has convinced its populace that it is not an empire and are “the good guys.”
I doubt you knew the real Frank Rizzo, I grew up in Philly, my best friends grandfather, Angelo Bruno, new Rizzo well. Nobody here is convinced we are the “good guys” in any of this. More like they feel like they have little influence on our foreign policy and that they should support the elected president. Of course, our POTUS have been so poor the past 35 years, people are beginning to waiver on that trust, as you could probalby plainly see when DJT was elected. I’m not even necessarily Anti War. There’s a lot of derelict flaming A holes on this planet with a lot of power, resources and money. Somebody has to keep them in check to prevent another Hitler/Germany situation. Are we still up to the job? It doesn’t appear we are. Will that leave the world a better place? Sure doesn’t look like it the way things are going now. Did we make grave mistakes that weakened us to this point? Absolutely. Starting with Vietnam.
It sounds like you and your family associated with some real quality people.
“Tell me with whom you associate, and I will tell you who you are.”
― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
The point of my username is that Rizzo was the American leader par excellence: corrupt, racist, murderous, an opportunist, and ignorant. A real American fascist.
“There’s a lot of derelict flaming A holes on this planet with a lot of power, resources and money.”
We’re the flaming a holes. No President in my lifetime has deserved the support the American people as they have all been war criminals. The American people need to clean their own house before they go out abroad in search of dragons to destroy. The Empire started long before Vietnam and even before WWII. I suggest you read some American history and get back to me.
You aren’t from America if you beleive your own statement. We get two corrupt or powerless choices, for every seat. There’s no option for real change. They don’t care about the American people, nor do you apparently. I do.
“You aren’t from America if you beleive your own statement.”
Why? What about my statement is unbelievable?
” I said it was my best friends grandfather, we weren’t affiliated with him.”
Then why did you even bring it up? What’s the point? You really are a confused individual, aren’t you.
What part of your statement is unbeleivable? That the people have the power to influence real meaningful change. Sure, we can win moral and ethic issues human rights, but nothing that really changes the course of history or balance of wealth disparity.
It also might serve you to improve your reading and comprehension, I said it was my best friends grandfather, we weren’t affiliated with him. If you live in Russia, are you affiliated with Putin? Does he ask you for advice? If I live in the USA, am I affliated with Biden? Does he ask me for advice? I wish.
those were the days
All nuclear armed countries are run by lying nuclear terrorists. Get with the program.
So . . . the Russian forensic team investigating the details behind Prigozhin’s plane crash provided President Putin with some circumstantial evidence and the president relayed it to the press.
Let’s assume for a moment we are curious, independent journalists who look for more information to give this story some legs, so to speak.
Questions for the forensic team . . .
1. When will we learn what the CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder) and the FDR (Flight Data Recorder) revealed about the incident?
2. Did the autopsy of the dead conclusively report the grenade fragments were the primary cause of death?
3. Typically there is a closed door that separates the pilot and co-pilot from the passengers. Did all of passengers aboard the aircraft and the flight crew have the fragments in their bodies or just some of them?
A suggestion has been floated that some of the passengers were acting recklessly with a grenade. A dangerous game called “Pull the Pin” where a person holds a grenade in his hand, removes the safety pin, passes the grenade around in a circle fast enough to get back to the first person who reinserts the pin before the grenade detonates.
4. Does it seem rational that experienced, disciplined, professional soldiers would do that knowing that everyone aboard including Kristina Raspopova a woman flight attendant, could die?
5. What about a deliberate attempt by one of the men to commit suicide and take down the entire airplane with him; is that believable too?
I am not satisfied with anything about this story; I think it is concocted as a red herring to deviate from the truth about what happened on the aircraft.
The Kremlin will never tell the truth cause they dont want people to know what they already know. And that is that Putin called that shot.
They’d rather have you believe that the guy who survived almost 16 months in the frontlines, suddenly decided to sniff cocaine and play hot potato with a grenade in his private jet 🤷🏽♂️
Hot Potato !