Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said Tuesday that Ukraine expects to receive between 120 and 140 Western-made tanks in the “first wave” of deliveries.
“The tank coalition now has 12 members. I can note that in the first wave of contributions, the Ukrainian armed forces will receive between 120 and 140 Western-model tanks,” Kuleba said. “These are Leopard 2, Challenger 2, M1 Abrams.”
He said Ukraine is “counting” on France providing its Leclerc tanks, but so far, Paris has not pledged to do so.
Kuleba didn’t specify a timeline for when the tanks would be delivered. It could take months or possibly years for the US-made Abrams tanks to arrive as the Pentagon is purchasing the tanks from General Dynamics, and they need to be manufactured.
When Berlin first announced last week that it would be sending its Leopard 2 tanks, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said the delivery would take about three months. Ukrainian forces also need to be trained on the Western-made equipment, as its forces currently only operate Soviet-made tanks.
Poland has pledged to arm Ukraine with 14 of its Leopard 2s, and a Polish military official said Tuesday that they hope to cut down the training period for the tanks to only five weeks. There are Leopard training facilities in Poland, Germany, and Switzerland.
When Ukraine attacks Russian troops with US weapons does that change the war dynamic to the point of making the US involved, directly involved in this war?…
The North Vietnamese killed US forces with Soviet weapons, the Mujahideen killed Red Army soldiers with US weapons. It’s happened before.
But this time the proxy war is on the doorstep of Russia and the west is hellbent in destroying Russia and it’s willingness to protect Russian speakers in South Eastern Ukraine against the corrupt regime of Zelensky and the likes of Azov neo Nazis.
Much closer now to all out nuclear war.
20 seconds til midnight, Darren.
Tick…tick…tick…
When North Vietnam attacked US troops with USSR (aka Russia today) made weapons did that make the USSR directly involved in the Vietnam war?
Yes, the Soviet Union was directly involved in the war in Vietnam. It armed the PAVN, trained the PAVN, and supposedly actually crewed some of the SAMs it gave the PAVN.
And while I was a child when the war ended, I’d be surprised if the US didn’t piss and moan about that like the Kremlin is pissing and moaning about the US involvement in Ukraine.
If so it should be reasonably easy to find the newspapers that carried these stories – I’ve read a fair bit about the war, but not much pissing and moaning about the Russian’s role in it – I have read much more complaints about the Russian pilots in Korea so it is not as if the sources I’ve read were not disposed to ignore such complaints.
You didn’t watch the evening news every night here in Amerikkka post-Nam.
I did.
You “read” about the war. My male friends and my then-fiancé LIVED it. Don’t for one moment think you’re some kind of authority on Nam.
Post Nam sure – we are talking about the war as it unfolded, not the explanation game following a ‘defeat’ – and for the record I do not think that I’m any kind of authority on any war let alone one fought mostly before I could either read or understand English.
As I pointed out it should be easy to dig up the clips where the US was pissing and moaning about the Russian involvement in Vietnam while they were fighting the war – you having lived through the war and knowing US newspapers better than I should be able to track these sources down.
I don’t need to track down any newspaper reports. My father made certain that we watched the evening news every single night, even as children, to be aware one what the Amerikkkan regime was up to.
He was an immigrant to this country and boy did he pick the wrong place. He detested war . His brother’s only son died in Korea. My father held a special hatred in his heart for the despicable LBJ. And with good reason; the government “generously” allowed my brother to complete medical school and was drafted after his internship to serve on an Air Force base in Texas for two years. Because Uncle Sam didn’t want any future doctors used as cannon fodder.
Only the fact that my brother was bright enough to attend medical school at a major university saved him from a very uncertain fate.
All well sand fine, but this does not even claim that the US news was saturated with complaints about the Russians delivering weapons to the Vietnamese during the Vietnam war.
This is a fair question, since mainstream new TV reporting is generally a slightly-digested regurgitation of that day’s NYT and WaPo.
A good example of what is possible from this kind of research is the book, “Spitting Images”, about the widely-spread (and still persistent) urban legend that peace demonstrators spat upon American servicemen returning from Vietnam.
I was bordering around twenty when Nam ended Thomas. And yes, there WAS pissing and moaning concerning Russia’s involvement, but not near so much as China’s.
Donna, of course we are!
And have been since day one 😐
You used to be cool, France. Now you’re not even willing to escalate towards a world war that could end the world. C’mon, everyone else is doing it!
freedom fries
Freedom toast, Freedom salad dressing, Freedom dip…
Yes, nothing like peer pressure. And even Norway is getting into it. Though part of that is traditional Scandinavian shame about succeeding at anything…in this case, making a lot of money from selling oil and gas to other countries in Europe. Sorry guys, I didn’t mean to mean to make such a profit, it was an accident!
On a good note, by the time NATO actually gets involved, Russia will be battle ready. Good going morons.
Looking like we’re getting drafted … Crap. I should have changed my gender to Nudol hypersonic missile.
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DV, they’ve been doing it for months now with US supplied Himars among others, so probably not a great deal of difference
31 M1’s, 14 Challenger 2’s, and 14 Leo 2’s falls far short of even ‘120 Western tanks’. Unless there’s another player no one knows about- the talking head from Kiev is either delusional or woefully misinformed (or both).
“either delusional or woefully misinformed (or both)” Or maybe there is an another player that you don’t know about. As you initially said.
They might be counting the Bradleys. Which are not the same thing, but what do they care?
The majority of Ukraines tanks have been destroyed by Russian artillery, these new tanks will fare no better.
Ukraine has zero tanks. On February 2022, Ukraine had approximately 900 operational tanks and by the summer, Russia MoD announced they had destroyed 3,894.
Regardless, the fact that Ukraine is holding the Russians with only sticks and stones, speaks volume.
Yes, $112 billion worth of sticks and stones. Almost twice as much as what Russia’s stick and stones budget was.
the USS ARC Integrity was supposedly loaded with Bradley Fighting Vehicles and headed out from the US to UK 4 days ago but tracking it right now reveals no results which means that it either turned it’s GPS off or it sank to the bottom of the sea
It is highly unlikely that is is sunk. It may have turn off its transponder for security reasons. If that is the case, I suspect that it is traveling with a US Navy escort ship. In which case it is 1000 miles or so from its last position.
Russian military:
Hot damn, new targets!
Russian military:
Hot damn, new targets!
Ukraine Says It Will Receive 120-140 Western Tanks in ‘First Wave’ of Deliveries … in 2024
And this will provide all the necessary accommodation for the survivors of the war.