The Pentagon announced that it is setting up a new command, based in Germany, to oversee the training and equipping of Ukraine’s military during its fight with Russia, the New York Times reported on Friday. The command is named Security Assistance Group-Ukraine, or SAG-U.
The news came soon after the announcement of another $400 million arms package to Ukraine, including tanks and drones. These weapons will be used to retake territory Russia has annexed, according to Kiev. Current and former US officials told the Times these moves suggest that Washington "expects the threat from Russia to Ukraine and its neighbors to persist for many years."
Sabrina Singh, the deputy Pentagon press secretary, told reporters the new command will "ensure we are postured to continue supporting Ukraine over the long term." She added the US remains "committed to Ukraine for as long as it takes."
Discussions about a formal command to oversee operations in Ukraine began earlier this year. SAG-U will be led by a "high-ranking" general with a roughly 300-person staff.
A possible reason for this decision may be to obscure the level of funding going to the proxy war, making it more difficult for Americans and journalists to discern where the money comes from and just how much is being spent.
As Kelley Vlahos, Editorial Director at Responsible Statecraft, has written,
[Dan Caldwell, senior advisor to Concerned Veterans of America] suggests this could allow the Pentagon to carve out a protected fund for the war. "Establishing a formal, named-mission or military task-force specifically for Ukraine could further open the door to moving funding for the war in Ukraine to the Overseas Contingency Operations budget, which is essentially the Pentagon’s slush fund. That could be one of the primary motivations here – the Pentagon wants a steady stream of funding from a source that Congress has shown a lack of willingness to properly oversee."
Officially, since the war began, the Pentagon has authorized nearly $19 billion in direct military aid for Ukraine, though data from the Kiel Institute for the World Economy suggests the real figure is closer to $28 billion. In pursuit of Russia’s “strategic defeat,” Washington has pledged over $67 billion in support for Kiev altogether, primarily in weapons – a figure greater than Moscow’s entire 2021 military budget.
Members of both parties in Congress are reportedly planning another massive aid package for Ukraine that is said to cost at least $50 billion, which would bring total spending on the war to more than $115 billion. Though President Joe Biden has acknowledged the world is closer to nuclear "Armageddon" than any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis, Washington has refused to engage in diplomacy with Russia. US officials have declared that they "ruled out the idea of pushing or even nudging Ukraine to the negotiating table," while the Pentagon has vowed to exploit the war to "weaken" Russia. Last month, for the first time, the Pentagon revealed that there is a small US troop presence in Ukraine.
Connor Freeman is the assistant editor and a writer at the Libertarian Institute, primarily covering foreign policy. He is a co-host on the Conflicts of Interest podcast. His writing has been featured in media outlets such as Antiwar.com, Counterpunch, and the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. He has also appeared on Liberty Weekly, Around the Empire, and Parallax Views. You can follow him on Twitter @FreemansMind96.
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Another forever war, Pentagon product. Heaven help us.
This war can’t last too long; two years maximum.
If that happens it will be open season on all living politicians!
If they’re smart about it, it will be televised, with no commercial breaks!
I am wondering about that, It is STILL not clear which way Europe will turn by the first annversary of Russian intervention.
As it looks today, popular support in Europe for war is ralidly waning. Some countries like Hungary. Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Serbia have massive public rejection of hpung Ukrraine. And many very vocal about approving Russian intervention as justified.
Support in Getmany is regional. Western region, predominantly Catholic are more supportive of Ukraine — by which they really mean support for West Ukrainian Catholic minority currently in power in Kiev. Eastern, predominantly Protestant Germany is mire skeptical of Ukrainian story, and majority are not for military support. They are more likely to see Rusdian side if the cinflict.
Destruction of pipelines has a sobering effect — which has not been seen yet in public reaction. But it has a smell of anti-German Anglosaxon masterstroke. We are yet to see fallout.
Perhaps it is Scholtz’s trip to China. Standing nex to Chinese Prime Minister Scholz boldly supported One China policy and recommends peaceful resolution. Just actually repeating China official position.
Why the trip? Economy in his mind — but possibly a way to explore way out of the mess.
Europe has to realize that Russian missiles will take just minutes to their objectives. The U.S. is quite a ways away, except for the West coast.
Russia is going to employ 4 new submarines armed with Poseidon torpedoes 100 megatons each (the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 15 kilotons; more than 6 000 times weaker). Launched from the submarine, Poseidon will arrive very quick near the coast both from the west and from the east. They calculated; 500-meter-high radioactive tsunami will cove New York after the explosion of one such torpedo. Russia plan to employ 30 of them in a near future.
This winter is going to be hard for EU and the next one even worse. Then, eventually, the political changes could start.
Putin takes his time. Half million Russian military force which will be ready for an offensive in Ukraine in a couple of weeks, is not enough for taking under control all Ukraine, and there is no sign US can be ready for the negotiation; so, the war will carry on for a while. A couple of months before the next presidential elections in US, when American public will be less enthusiastic about the war in Ukraine, it can be a good idea to use the peace negotiations for PR even if Russian army don’t move too deep into Ukraine.
They are planting nukes across the globe looking to make this a true world war. F-cking lunatics.
Well said ED.
Heaven does not care.
The current Kiev regime can’t survive without a substantial financial support from abroad. Who else can pay for it if not Americans? UK is not rich enough. The others need it not.
Criminals in America supporting criminals in Ukraine.
Please Russia free the world!
Yes, that enemy of my enemy kind of thing is a pretty human instinct, but in this universe at least Russia is not likely to free anyone. It truly is an autocratic shithole of a nation. Repressive. Unfree. Corrupt to the bone. Much like Ukraine, but worse in many respects. And much worse in others. Let’s not be stupid.
What I would like to know though is “how long – what – takes.” At least Ukraine is completely transparent about that, meaning they have clearly defined their goals to be outside the realm of the possible. Or at least about as possible as Mexico reclaiming Texas as John Mearsheimer put it. Of course it might be the US is speaking through Ukraine, but that would, with the then unlearned lesson of Afghanistan fresh in the rearside mirror genuinely constitute the definition of idiocy.
Excuse me? You are the usual liar we have noticed throughout this conflict and well before. What on earth do you know about Russia? You just repeat the nonsensical lies, never actually try to understand Russia(twenty years of Putin and thousands of hours of speeches you have never bothered to try, obviously) . The USA has by any possible count, done more harm to the world at least in the last 80 years than anyone else. Th UK and the EU follow.
You are of course excused. If I have to first read and listen to thousands of hours of speeches by Putin before I am allowed to comment on the rather uncontroversial fact that Russia is indeed autocratic, repressive and corrupt then I will gladly forego that opportunity. I sincerely hope that my shutting up about it will, however slightly, change these facts, even though in my experience, especially with regard to Russia, wishing things were different has exceedingly little effect on outcome.
How easy, to make up your own mind (such as it is) without facts. Nobody suggested you listen to every speech!!! Even a few may overburden you. Btw, wherever you are from, let us look at the USA’s influence on the rest of us. Freedom??Democracy??How much effect do the needs of the population have on the laws in the USA,?
As for the “EU” where you cannot read or access sites the unelected Ursula boss has decided are against her rules, she is hardly in a position to label Russia autocratic or corrupt as she steals $300billion. Leave other countries alone.
Neither am I all that fond of this slow-witted coiffure that you mentioned or for that matter of her incompetence carnate side-kick Borrell who also nobody ever elected or will elect ever, without having gone through the painful process of a thousand hours torturing my mind with her barely comprehensible utterances.
Which sites that are in service can I, who live in EU, not access that you can access? Genuine question – I do not use VPN, but I’m not aware that there are any sites that I’m prevented from accessing by EU.
I believe this is what she’s referring to. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-09/card/eu-orders-removal-of-russian-state-owned-media-from-search-results-social-media-reshares-Nxb4WXbCaQnCUMmL9Mvk
Thanks very interesting!
Try RT or strategic culture foundation, or any links with these in them It pretends it is an error!!!
Thanks – do you have the URL?
Idiotic as a summary. Much like Ukraine, bullcrap.
Well given a choice, I would take living in a “criminal” USA over Russia any day.
Well if i had a wish it would be to see the USA sink beneath the waves of the Pacific / Atlantic , because as sure as death / taxes the US loony tunes will get every one killed sooner or later.
So you are anti American. Just curious where do you live?
Not anti-American. Anti-war. Big difference. There is no way in sight to prevent the MIC from sponsoring wars till there is nothing left. We have a 200+ year history that is filled to the brim with various kinds of violent behavior. I see nothing to believe this will ever change.
If some one says that they would like to see the USA sink beneath the waves. How is that not Anti American? Do you also believe in jesse james desire to see America disappear?
I think a better way to put it is that as long as the U.S. remains in its present form there will never be peace on earth.
The same can be said of Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and many more nations. Anyone who thinks that world would be better off without the US is by definition Anti-American.
Well I guess I am! My first allegiance is to the Truth. America ain’t got it anymore!
Many folks in the Ukraine topics are anti US/West and they don’t even try to mask it as Anti War.
Oh, the vast majority of them live here. They don’t actually want to live in another country, they just want to gripe about this one.
I know. And it amazes me how many “Anti War” members support Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. Now I know the US is not perfect. But I will take the US over they above mention countries any day.
War is the health of the state.
Pro-regime — any regime — is pro-war.
Your assertion doesn’t follow from the famous Bourne quote.
When Bourne said that war is the health of the state, he was describing the benefit of popular support that “the state” realizes when people, in a fit of patriotism that has them imagining that the choice of war is actually theirs, permit themselves to be turned into a “manufactory of destruction” — great description!
I’m never quite sure of your use of regime. I don’t think its one of the interrelated terms Bourne used — nation, state and government, IIRC. Maybe it has a meaning for you that makes the assertion valid, but it’s not obvious from here.
I’d define “regime” as the actually ruling class of any Westphalian nation-state.
Thanks for re-stating Bourne’s statement that I re-stated.
War is the health of any regime because it’s able to turn war into popular support, etc. That popular support is being pro-regime, aka pro-war.
OK, noting that the ruling class of Western nation-states is, today, largely a single class of globalist corporate oligarchs, much more unified than the royal houses of the 17th century. The notion of independent German sovereignty, for instance, is close to laughable.
Nah. Not exactly. Not entirely wrong, but it’s actually “pro-war, ergo effectively pro-regime.” And that’s not a distinction without a difference.
Well, I’m pretty much a revolutionary defeatist a la the Zimmerwald Manifesto, although I identify the ruling class in (left-)libertarian rather than Marxist terms. My only hope for any war is that none of the belligerent regimes come out of it feeling like they “won” anything worth the cost.
I’m having real trouble with Disqus. I’m off now to see if my techie skills are sufficient to overcome the current intermittent issue that prevents typing in Disqus text boxes.
How can any sentient being call this USA behavior “defense”???? what are the threats from Russia???Even during the Cold war most of the “threats” were not genuine (who remembers the McCarthy madness, and the kids under their desks?) but at least the “commie menace” was an excuse. Now it is all due to the interference, at least from the Obama days, in a “nation” known for its corruption, Nazi influence, debts and Burisma. Biden Nuland etc stepped in, NATO pushed, just to punish Russia for being next door and asking for security guarantees! GO HOME YANKS and fix your huge problems. This devastation is not just of your pretended friend Ukraine, but of your “allies” the EU.
Was it called defense – I could not see that term used in the article, as for ‘what are the threats from Russia’ yhe article is quite clear i.e. that the threat is to Ukraine and Russia’s other neighbors:
And it would seem that this threat is fairly well documented.
Ignore “Washington rules” lies please. Ukraine has refused all peaceful attempts for 8 years and preached hatred of Russia to its children in special camps, has been ruled by the USA/ CIA (check Hunter Biden as well as Nuland, Blinken Biden, Obama….) and has abolished all opposition parties and TV stations. Russia does not want an enemy and has tried to get Ukrainian guarantees for Russian speakers in Ukraine, to no avail. Russia is NOT a threat to others. Try observation, not fantasy.
The ‘lies’ that most of the world actually believes?
Just assertions – or do you have actual links to reputable sites that proves this – the Nuland story has been debunked repeatedly – so this looks like conspiracy theories at the very least partially.
No it has banned parties that advocated aligning with the Russians much as the UK put fascists in camps during WWII (and had press control).
Russia is a threat to others the Finns and Swedes saw this as has the Georgians before them – I can link the kind of rhetoric in Russian state TV that makes a lot of countries believe that Russia is an actual threat – and hearing Putin comparing what he did tp what Peter the great did and talking about reestablishing the Russian empire does not make people less afraid.
What is seen as a threat is not necessarily so. This, as we have been informed quite eloquently already at the Nuremberg trials by the thorougly experienced expert Hermann Göring indeed the easiest trick in the demogogues playbook. Nevertheless, preceptions rather than facts, is what nations act upon. The world wouldn’t make the slightest bit of sense without this crucial understanding.
And so it is with argumentams ad populum of the UN variety as they are always used ad nauseam when it fits nicely with the envisoned policy and discarded when they do not. Controling the narrative is essential in our political systems that allow for a certain window of dissent.
We very much agree e.g. NATO is no threat to Russia, as in there was and is no chance that NATO would invade Russia.
Again we agree 100%
I think it is essential in any political system – until there is 100% control of the individual perception of the masses matter – this is very evident in e.g. Russia where they try to control the narrative more so than we do in the west.
I don’t actually think it is essential, I thought it quite clear the controlling the narrative remark dripped of cynicism. In a better world it shouldn’t be the case, you shouldn’t want to control what individuals think at all. It used to be a thing that was understood quite well, by most even, to be a strength of free societies.
Indeed it still is in most of the free societies – as can be seen daily here, where people supposedly living in the US are free to express things that would get them up to 15 years in jail in Russia.
That’s quite a bit exaggerated as you might well know. But you don’t have to sell me on Russia. I am already taking flak for referring to Russia as a shithole nation. I have no intention walking that back ever so slightly. But I don’t mean that in a gloating sort of way, I mean I find it sad.
Specifically which part?
“The ‘lies’ most of the world actually believes”?
Sorry, but North Amerikkka, Europe and Australia do not equal “most of the world”. You may be forgetting South America, the Middle East, Africa, China, India…
Only 4 countries supported Russia in i.e. voted against condemning their annexation of the occupied parts of Ukraine – so yes the majority of the world.
35 chose to abstain – there are 193 countries in UN so yes most of the world not only the West rejects the Russian stance and hence believes in what you call a lie – a small minority are not sure which ‘lie’ to support and a very small minority believe in Putin’s lie.
People who are relatively powerless invoke abstention all the time. It beats pissing off people who are powerful.
That could explain it only why did the did China and India not dare to vote against when Iran, North Korea, Syria and Nicaragua dared to do so – why did Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan Tajikistan and Turkmenistan all in the CSTO not vote against they have little chance of facing much in the shape of consequences according to people here?
Just tell me why would these nations not support their friend Russia?
(OB, we have to stop meeting like this…)
Most of the world doesn’t believe western propaganda. Iraq issue saw to that.
I hope most people have doubts about propaganda. I certainly do.
Repetition of a lie doesn’t constitute documentation.
I mad no repetition of any lies all I did was to point out what the article actually said. If you can point to any assertion that I made feel free – because I cannot spot one, so I have nothing to document.
Many people are benefitting from the huge American military budget. First of all, the military industry oligarchs and promoted by them politicians. 60 years ago, President Eisenhower, before he left White House, talked about the danger of the military industrial complex taking under control American politics. The obvious solution of this problem is the nationalization of the military industry. Because the military industry is mixed with the civil industry, the nationalization of all big business and also of the major banks, is necessary. It is necessary and yet it is unachievable because it means the sharp turn to the socialist political system. US are not ready for this. Thats why, the warmongering will carry on because the rulers of US need it for supporting the exaggerated military budget.
But the people in this “democracy” of course only “benefit” if their town or city has “defense contracts” or they get a job in the voluntary military forces and can die for their kind nation..
For as long as it takes or till the Ukraine runs out of Infantry which will be a win for Russia .
Glad to see the MIC is well set to recover from the withdrawal from Afghanistan
Denying and ignoring the myriad problems in your OWN country in order to send billions upon billions to a nation that is largely inconsequential is nothing short of criminal.
So True!! Purge the DC Ghouls!
“Sabrina Singh, the deputy Pentagon press secretary, told reporters the new command will “ensure we are postured to continue supporting Ukraine over the long term.” She added the US remains “committed to Ukraine for as long as it takes.””
“As long as it takes” … to do what exactly? To go back all the way to pre-2014 control lines? That may be a very long time indeed.
So, under the US constitution, is the Pentagon authorized to make such long term commitments on behalf of this great democratic nation?
That is the question that I’m curious about also. Ukraine has stated unambigiously what their goals are (pre-2014 indeed), excluding (now explicitly by law for good measure) any intermediate end-stage. Is Ukraine speaking for the US also? (or in other words does the US speak through Ukraine?) Or does the US meanwhile entertain other, perhaps even feasible outcomes?
Foreign wars up the azz and yet the country, USA, is literally falling apart,,Purge all of the DC GHOULS!!!
As long as it takes for one of 4 outcomes
1: Russia eventually collapses as a result of Western Sanctions
2: The US/EU eventually collapse as a result of Western Sanctions
3: Ukraine runs out of Ukrainians
4: Things escalate out of control and we have global thermonuclear war
Russia’s collapse doesn’t mean we will avoid a big nuclear war. The same about the collapse of US/EU. The nukes are already made, and they are ready for use.
I’d like to put in a good word for the big asteroid.
It would be nice if we try to solve the problems step by step. The first most urgent thing to do is to create a system when no one can benefit from the wars and warmongering; particular the politicians.
I was being a bit sarcastic. I have a son and grandson, both of whom will inherit our spectacular mess.
That’s the spirit OB. I have a grandson too. I’m leaving the planet to him in my last will and testament, along with a set of instructions on what to do and not to do…
Ike warned us.
Considering the effect of the Western Sanctions so far, the only way they will cause Russia to collapse is if they drown in too much money like Scrooge McDuck
That is hypothetical. So far, in the real world, the isolation of Russia from The West, helps to establish Russia as a strong and independent player in the new multipolar world.
Yes, and even though it hurts my mathematical intuitions I have seen it argued well and to me very convincing that 1 and 2 also equals 4.
Discussions about a formal command to oversee operations in Ukraine began earlier this year. SAG-U will be led by a “high-ranking” general with a roughly 300-person staff.
As the U.S. military presence in South Vietnam grew, MACV quickly outgrew the Pasteur Street quarters and expanded into a proliferating number of buildings throughout downtown Saigon, adding to the command’s existing security vulnerabilities and communications difficulties. In March 1965 Westmoreland began a search for a new location large enough to accommodate the entire headquarters. He initially tried to obtain a site between the ARVN Joint General Staff compound and Tan Son Nhut Airport, desirable from the standpoint of removing Americans from central Saigon and placing MACV conveniently close to its Vietnamese counterpart. The Vietnamese government, however, refused to turn over the most suitable location, a soccer field…near the civilian air terminal, allegedly because Premier Nguyễn Cao Kỳ wanted to keep the property for a postwar tourist hotel. In late April 1966, with the Saigon regime locked in a tense confrontation with Buddhist and ARVN rebels in I Corps, Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. and Westmoreland reopened the effort to acquire the Tan Son Nhut soccer field. Under their combined pressure, Kỳ gave way. On 2 July 1966 construction of a new purpose-built facility was commenced. The building was designed and constructed under the supervision of the U.S. Navy Officer in Charge of Construction RVN. The construction contractor was RMK-BRJ at a cost of $25 million. MACV occupied its new headquarters early in August 1967. The new complex soon earned the nickname “Pentagon East.” The air-conditioned structure of two-story prefabricated buildings, a little more than a third the size of its Washington namesake, included some twelve acres of enclosed office space. In addition to the headquarters offices, the complex included a barracks, a mess hall, a refrigerated storage building and its own power plant and telephone exchange. Inside, according to one staff officer, “the well-waxed corridors had the fluorescent feel of an airport terminal.” A cyclone fence, topped with barbed wire and with watch towers at intervals, provided close-in protection.
Lots of gravy on that train! No reason why it should go express to Kiev, without making some stops! The military likes to make a permanent institution out of what begins as an ad hoc policy, whenever it can. Another big, fat, bloated, bureaucratic “command,” to be added to God only knows how many “commands” the Pentagon already has, with another nice, big, fat staff, dedicated funding, perks, real estate, and so on, is the ultimate goal. Why should all of those billions of dollars go straight to our BS “allies,” when much of it can be diverted to a “high ranking” general, his “assistants,” his “assistants’ assistants,” and so on, right down the line? All complete with its own separate “appropriation” and “authorization” in the budget which, once established, becomes sacrosanct, and of course, needs a COLA every year, just for starters!
Yup. I saw SAG-U and MACV came leaping from memory with the sound of rolling thunder.
First as tragedy, then as farce (but farce may itself be tragic).
Yes, and it sounds like NATO is being rendered “honorary”, like the US Congress (I’m sure we all feel for Jens Stoltenberg) and, as the Col. Douglas McGregor smelled out, they’re setting up for another “coalition of the willing” in order to inject US troops directly into the fight. … God help us!
I don’t feel sorry for Stoltenberg, any more than I felt sorry for the Germans at Buchenwald.
Isn’t it nice being an “old bear”, OB, you can pretty much say anything and no-one is going to mess with you…
G-d help the poor troops. They didn’t sign up for this.
Made up of some generals who have never experienced combat.
It is the job of the DoD to fight the wars our civilian leadership tells it to fight. It ought to set things up so it is prepared and able to do what it is ordered to do.
That is not the same as a decision to do it. The DoD is not supposed to be in charge, much less to fight any war it is capable of fighting. It is supposed to be able to fight near anything, but then not do so, deterrence and readiness “protecting the peace.”
This is not an absurd arrangement. It is somewhat naive to think that is how we actually run our countries or our wars. However, it is how things are supposed to be.
So of course DoD is ready. That is the barest beginning of the questions we need to face, not the ultimate answer. What would be an ultimate answer would be “we could not do it if we wanted.” But for our own good that has not often enough been the answer.
So the POTUS and DOD can now declare war??? The constitution is KAPUT?? I think millions of USA citizens have something to say about that!
The only thing I hear most American citizens saying is “Russia bad!”
They say that because they are mentally lazy, Lazy Bones of the brain. USA has turned into the evil one. Rotten to the core, major overhaul is needed, and that start needs, demands, to be with the DC Ghouls and all the violations of our Constitution and Bill Of Rights!
The Ukraine will be destroyed and if there is a Ukraine when Russia is finished with them it will be a Landlocked Rump State and all of the Nazis will be Dead.
So advocating war crimes on a massive scale – think about it! We did not kill all of the Nazis after WWII and those were the real and actual Nazis not ‘just’ extreme nationalists. Statements like yours is exactly why the Ukrainians likely feel they have to fight even if they are losing – you give them no acceptable alternative.
Take the line on Russian state tv and you know that they regard the rest of us as Nazis too – so the logic follows that we too must support the Ukrainians even if it may seem like a lost cause and economic folly.
Seems to me to be more of a prophecy than an advocacy. Also it isn’t at present the case. Also could conceivingly become the case. Also yes, some of the extreme nationalists are actual nazi’s and also no, not all of them are.
Also advocating war or advocating prolongation of wars is advocating warcrimes. This such a truism that it may as well be a law of nature.
I can accept that we call them Nazis only because they think they are so themselves, however the difference between Nazis and other extremists is or can by and large be boiled down to their racial theories – hence if you do not ascribe to the racial theory you are in fact just an other extremist.
I’d argue that Ukrainians (being themselves Slavs) are unlikely to believe that they are sub human and supposed to provide lebens raum for the Germanic race – if we ignore the race theories then there is little that separates Nazis from many other extreme Nationalists.
As for the:
While in general true – it fails when not prolonging a war leads to far more wars – which can happen if the basis for ending one conflict makes more conflicts a very good economic move for a lot of nations.
If Ukraine were something that “just happened”, you might have a point.
Once again, you conveniently ignore the history of post cold war Europe.
Once again vague assertions without – in what way do you think I ignore post cold war history – is it that I did not again mention that Russia signed an agreement to respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, or that Russia never actually got any written promises by the US that they would not admit any ex-Warsaw pact countries to NATO or just what is it that I supposedly am ignoring?
Well, Banderaists do have their own racial ideology, theology perhaps, they are unapologetic white supremacists, antisemites (of course) and have other ideals in a true fascist vein. These are the ideas also they seek to export, so true nationalism. They aren’t particularly trying to maintain some measure of secrecy about it either. The point you are making about Third Reich political aims that while they might be historically accurate nevertheless aren’t very salient to almost any present day Nazi’s. Revisionism seems to be all the rage in those circles anyway. The attempt by the pro-war faction at present to distinguish between good and bad Nazi’s with respect to Ukraine, betting on their political reach and efficacy to be ultimately neglible, seems to me to be quite a dangerous gamble.
very likely true – though I have heard that e.g. the Azov battalion has accepted Jewish members, so perhaps less organized antisemites?
Where are they trying to export these ideas?
That would defeat the purpose – they are however not very successful – enjoying weaker and weaker support for their line of thought in Ukraine – at the 2019 election losing the last seat in parliament – though after the SMO they may again enjoy more support.
Not really my problem – people do not get to redefine what it is to be a Nazi as opposed to being a white supremacist or fascist. Very few people seem to know what it actually means or entails – allowing such people to define concepts dilutes any debate.
The fact remains that they are not Nazi in the sense that they do not believe that the Slavs are sub-human or that there are a large racial segment of the population that needs to be killed. They do not promote more extreme views than are allowed on Russian state TV.
So the idea that the Ukrainian extremist are any worse than the Russian ones is seen how?
Nice rooting for the destruction of a nation. Well it may happen, but Russia is going to pay a heavy price for that result. They have already loss some 30 to 60 thousand men. How many more?
And how many more have left and will likely never return? Probably 10 times that number
Screw this place. I don’t recognize this country. I feel sorry for all the other humans on Earth – that they have to live with us.
(1) Global heating makes Earth uninhabitable
(2) Global nuclear war covers Earth with ice
(3) Massive asteroid blasts enough into the atmosphere for ice age N+1
If there were a God, it would likely not try this particular experiment again. After all, why bother producing such a stupid species – again?
God sowed many seeds. Not everyone is supposed to be successful.
If there were a God he couldn’t be bothered. His time would already completely taken up by manipulating the outcomes of sportsmatches and such, can’t even find the time for the lotteries.
We ALL have to live with each other and there are good days and bad days. The bad days make the good days more spectacular!
They should drive through Pennsylvania sometime, we could use an infrastructure rebuild.
ONE HUNDRED FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLARS???????????????????????????
For that price we should be able to buy the country and make it another US State!
Yeah, but we already have 25 states that receive more federal money than they pay in taxes. Imagine what the State of Ukraine would do to the budget!
Hell, we don’t have to imagine!
Dulce Et Decorum Est III & A Taste of Armageddon
(Or the Empire has no Clothes but a Disposition Matrix)
In due homage
to Horace, Owen & Mikhail
i humbly nod
for how sweet & glorious
it must be to kill or die
for God & country
the old dirty lie
via pompous duty
within ersatz honor
bubbling babbling fools
patriotic polished pride
so c’mon kiddies,
any up for good jingo sport?
who’s hungry & poor,
who wants to play
the hubris ‘anything for profit’ killing game?
As newspapers rah rah
pied piper patriotism
with journalistic integrity
star spangled objectivity ha ha!
as a new battle/fear lies just around the corner
& armed forces day just weeks away hooray!
rally loyal craven citizens
to whitewash warm innocuous blood
off disgraced musket & sullied polluted flag
strike up the marching parade
down main street usa
Awaken & open thine eyes
come & see
xenophobic overseas deeds of nefarious brutality
tax-paid supported violence
exported to hamlets & villages
in lands you couldn’t find on a map
nor correctly pronounce
did you any harm
clans you’ve never heard of
nor care less for
so step on up
one & all
its your civic crime
Take a trip
to the overflowing morgues
filled with small smashed bodies
full of laughter & life
the rancid stench
of scorched flesh
to a black bubbly mass
Gaze into doll dead eyes
by shock & awe
via your God blessed
terror from above
Crumpled atop a cold gurney
a stiff finger of a tiny hand
amidst a mish-mosh of mangled flesh
bulls-eyed at you war supporters
as grief-stricken father’s
in shattered silence
sifting through ragged debris
for lost sons
ripped wet mangled body parts
strewn out as pieces of a human jig-saw puzzle
the ear, the hand, the foot
to be quietly buried
while 6000 miles away
blue-blooded heroes giggle and snicker
at a video screen
toe-tagging this crime against humanity
to the heart-piercing shrieks
as soul-torn asunder mothers
wail like howling wild animals
as they find their loves buried
broken & bloody
in the rubble
of your glorious works
Then if you can
to the unresponsive moaning
why your armed forces
just murdered his parents
then wave a condolence payment
like juicy enticement in his face
as your special op-forces
silently efficiently & quickly
dig out bullets
from civilian bodies
to cover their tracks
from being at the wrong address
Declare as a national holiday
murdered women at a bridal shower
4 kids are droned to smithereens
while tending sheep
in exported evil exploits
as great american victories
for which your war crimes always are
the PR propaganda spin
from subjective mass media
obey leaders and church bosses
pay your taxes
which finances anglo-terrorism
through illegal & immoral aggressive violence
or listen to a blue rodeo
Raise your filthy faux flag
higher higher ever higher
to hover over the rising pile where the butchered lie
dear good christian citizens
no civic rag
could ever soar over
the sick slaying of the innocent
the accumulating abominations of flag-pledged atrocities
surrounded & caged
as the cowering cringing unarmed civilian inhabitants
are shot, burned & barbequed
like slaughtered sitting ducks
in a ‘free-fire zone’ shooting gallery
upon your sanctimonious attack
at a school in Bajour
where 69 children are massacred by joystick
as you deceive yourself
it did not happen
washing your hands
turning as you walk away
This is Sand Creek
too many other mass-media
contorted & distorted great triumphs
no doubt in my mind
the next war crime called
or a ‘humanitarian bombing’
will be patriotically anointed too
sanctioned of course
by church state and school
the old lie
Hmm.. Looks great
Another tool of German occupation.
The Russian MOD is disarming NATO, tank by tank, artillery by artillery, air defense by air defense. What they loose in the Ukraine, they loose for the final global war.
Russia is inflicting a 10:1 kill ratio. And NATO overall has the following equipment losses; 330 Aircraft, 168 helicopters, 2426 UAV’s, 384 Anti Aircraft systems, 6322 tanks inc. APC’s, 882 multiple rocket launchers, 3551 rocket launchers and 7027 military automotive equipment.
If Ukraine wants to be sovereign again then they need to oust the illegal Nazi regime in Kiev and hold democratic elections. If Ukraine wants to be sovereign again they need to stop assassinating opposition leaders, they need to re-instate 13 political parties banned and they need to release the leaders of these parties from captivity.
Just like a command center during WWII. Generals and other high ranking officers in their bunker directing the mayhem. WE ARE AT WAR WITH THE RUSSIANS!
Only Russia can stop MIC from pigging out at the Treasury trough.
Oh really, exactly how? Because so far Russia has caused the opposite.
russia could simply turn off the natural gas flow to germany and then start issuing demands
Is the new command to aid Ukraine? Or is it to make sure Germany does what it’s told to do?
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