Russian President Vladimir Putin on Sunday called the explosion on the Kerch Bridge that connects the Crimean peninsula to mainland Russia a “terrorist act” on civilian infrastructure carried out by the Ukrainian government’s special services.
“This is a terrorist act aimed at destroying the critical civilian infrastructure of the Russian Federation. It was ordered, authored, and carried out by the special services of Ukraine,” Putin said, according to Russia’s TASS news agency.
Early on Saturday, a truck exploded on the Kerch Bridge, collapsing parts of the bridge’s road section and setting a train on fire. At least three people were killed in the blast, and traffic was temporarily halted, although it resumed by Sunday. It’s not clear if the driver of the truck, who appeared to have died, was aware that there was a bomb inside the vehicle.
Ukraine hasn’t officially taken credit for the incident, but an unnamed senior Ukrainian official told The New York Times that it was carried out by Ukraine’s intelligence services using a bomb loaded onto a truck. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of a government ban on discussing the blast. While not officially taking credit, Ukrainian officials celebrated the attack.
The Kerch Bridge was built after Crimea joined Russia in 2014 and was completed in 2018. It is seen as a symbol of Russia’s control over the peninsula, which Ukraine still considers its territory.
Putin made his comments during a meeting with Alexander Bastrykin, the head of Russia’s Investigative Committee. Bastrykin said that he had established the route of the truck and that it traveled in Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia, North Ossetia, and the southern Russian oblast of Krasnodar. He said that “citizens of Russia and foreign countries” also helped Ukraine carry out the attack.
The US has been quiet about the attack on the bridge, and the White House declined to comment on the incident. “We don’t really have anything more to add to the reports about the explosion on the bridge,” said National Security Council spokesman John Kirby.
Kirby added that the US would continue to arm Ukraine. The US has made clear that it supports Ukrainian attacks on Crimea despite the risk of provoking Moscow, something the Pentagon reiterated last week.
“We think they can reach the vast majority of targets, including Crimea,” said Laura Cooper, a deputy assistant secretary of defense, referring to arms the US has provided Ukraine. “And just to be clear, Crimea is Ukraine.”
Purely delusional.
Putin sends his army of criminals to go scorched earth in Ukraine then has the audacity to call Ukrainians terrorists for fighting back.
He is the real terrorist here. Sick bastard.
“Terrorism” used to refer specifically to attacks on 1) civilian non-combatants for 2) the purpose of creating terror for political purposes.
While it’s always been subject to misuse / abuse, it’s become worse over the last few decades; the US policy of describing anyone who fought US invasion troops in Iraq or Afghanistan as a “terrorist” pretty much destroyed the meaning of the word.
With respect to the bridge, it was obviously used for military purposes. If the Russian regime didn’t close it to civilian traffic, was it using those civilians as “human shields?”
Add to this that if it was struck by the Ukrainians then they chose to do it at a time where the least amount of civilians (actually the least amount of people) were killed – there was only 3 fatalities of this explosion.
….or they chose to do it when that fuel loaded train was adjacent and the lack of heavy traffic on the bridge, near the truck, was just coincidence.
At 06:00 not a coincidence.
The train was a military target.
Right!
Do we know for sure it was a truck?
Exactly; just like “fascist” and “Nazi” and “racist”.
How does one separate civilian from military in modern society?
You can’t. It is all just propaganda.
Clearly banks can be hit.
Stock markets.
Bridges, roads, tunnels, power plants, dams
Farms (don’t soldiers eat?)
When the US did it in Iraq, MSM hailed it as a sign of a brilliant strategy.
Until they found out that Bill’s sanctions led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children. Still, not worthy of front page news.
Those sanctions were for 12 years. I think it was a Bush/Clinton sandwich with Bill in the middle and H.W. (Iraq 1) and W (Iraq 2) as the slices of bread. Bill did have a solid 8 years and produced you know who (hint: “it was worth it”).
That’s how the Kremlin allows themselves to target just about anything civilian. Because just like your claim, any civilian entity could be associated with the military and thus be called a legitimate military target.
Soldiers get paid (banks), Soldiers eat (farms), soldiers get injured (hospitals), soldiers get educated (high schools and universities), soldiers have fun (parks, bars, restaurants), soldiers reproduce (take their families and kid hospitals), right?
Your analogy is very flawed. While the Russian army is incapable to make these distinction, the rest of the civilized world, while not perfect, can tell the difference. Just cause entity X is associated to the military (i.e. bank), you don’t need to strike it with a missiles. That’s what cyber attacks, information operations, sanctions, etc. are for.
Now you’re abusing the definition.
The use of “terrorists” to supplant “partisan ” goes at least as far back as Goebbels who omitted “partisan” from German news. I would guess it was used in ww1 also.
Certainly many definitions. One, is terror as a “form” of war. The forms being , terror, guerrilla, conventional and nuclear. One uses terror to achieve the purpose of recruiting enough soldiers to move to guerilla war. According to Che, targets of terror for this purpose should be military, and assasination, not civilians. Guerilla war is prosecuted in order to gain enough soldiers and logistics to prosecute conventional war. Tet is a good example here. Tet apparently failed as an operation, yet it was a strategic victory as it demonstrated escalation of will upon the southern forces.
As a means of war, “terrorism” is wide open for definition. Even the common preparatory bombardment to assault can be considered such, as the damage to enemy nerves often outweigh actual physical damage. They are terrorized.
Usually, terrorism is what ones’ professed enemy does.
Oh, and nuclear war is fully terrorism, even when it is not occurring.
This is a gray area for me. The bridge was constructed for civilian purposes, and it being used extensively for that purpose. But there is no doubt in my mind that the bridge can also be used to move troops, supplies and equipment. Yet that didn’t seem to be happening at the time of the attack.
Russia undoubtedly knows how weapons are being smuggled into the country. Yet, they have not destroyed the rail systems headed eastbound from Kovel, Lviv, Uzhorad, and other key nodes. If we say the attack on the bridge over the Kerch strait was not a terrorist attack, then those targets become fair game.
“Those targets” were ALWAYS “fair game” insofar as the usual rules of war apply. If you’re using a road, railway, etc. to move war materiel, it’s a legitimate target.
One of the open questions about this war is whether the Russian forces haven’t used large-scale missile attacks to take out more such “fair game” targets because they choose not to, or because they can’t.
I believe it is the former.
I suspect that those targets were off limits when this was a “Special Military Operation”. The rules changed when the 4 oblasts became part of Russia.
I’m sure you saw the news today. It’s now clear that Russia had the means to attack “fair game” targets.
Yes, I saw the news today. The Russian forces killed ten people and pretended they’d accomplished something.
Just like they pretended that four oblasts, at least two of which they have no plausible prospect of holding, are now “part of Russia.”
The problem with pretending is that pretending doesn’t win wars.
While the Russians have committed war crimes against civilians, it is obvious that Russia has deliberately not utilized its capacity to maximize civilian casualties.
“Yet, they have not destroyed the rail systems headed eastbound from Kovel, Lviv, Uzhorad, and other key nodes. If we say the attack on the bridge over the Kerch strait was not a terrorist attack, then those targets become fair game.”
Well, Russia has been leveling towns and destroying infrastructures and civilian targets since Feb.
I think they are just tired of destroying Ukraine. Destruction is time and energy consuming however, in this case, is more due to incompetence by the Russian army than anything else.
What Ukraine has done to Russia cannot compare to what Russia has done.
Additionally, rail systems can be rebuilt in no time.
I agree with the misused Terrorist term. The US has gone overboard with the terrorist designations.
We have similarly destroyed the true meaning of Neo Nazis/Nazis with the Russia – Ukraine war.
For Stalin any Ukrainian nationalist was a Nazi.
For Bush any Iraqi nationalist was a Terrorist.
This attack was utterly senseless from a military point of view unless Ukraine was ready to launch an invasion of the Crimea which it has obviously not done.
The Russians are warned and a repeat will be hardly possible because every vehicle which enters the bridge will now be checked for explosions.
It was not a terrorist attack but may turn out to have been a wake-up event.
The Russian response is standard for essentially all combatants ever. Remember Dresden?
It’s hard to tell whether the attack made any military sense or not. Crimea is a plausible launching point for attacks in the direction of Odessa or Kherson, or for massing forces for a link-up with forces moving south from Donetsk/Luhansk along the desired land corridor in Zaporizhzia oblast along the Azov Sea. If the bridge was reported as being used as a main supply route for materiel or reinforcements for such a purpose, taking it out wouldn’t be a terrible idea. And even if not, every successful Ukrainian attack in Crimea, especially on something sensitive like that bridge, pushes the Russians to invest more resources in security there — resources which can’t be used elsewhere.
But at first blush, it looks more like a propaganda thing, a “birthday present” for Vladimir Putin, who supposedly considered the completion of the bridge a major accomplishment/distinction (which it was).
“The Russians are warned and a repeat will be hardly possible because every vehicle which enters the bridge will now be checked for explosions.”
Don’t bet your house on that.
Plus, don’t be too sure it was a vehicle borne. Even if, there will be various other options for a re-attack.
Had the Russians gone “scorched earth in Ukraine” the western two thirds would be black, troll.
Criminals where used by the US . UK in WW2 , also by the Germans . hundreds of thousands of East Europeans fought with the NAZIS Ukrainians made up vast numbers of the German army , so they know a thing or too about NAZISM
We, the U.S. of A. are the terrorists to use Ukraine for our little war with Russia that we have wanted since the end of WWII. Disgusting.
While there is no way to be certain, I think the missile hits on Kyev yesterday were specific retaliation for the terrorist attack on the bridge. It appears that specific vehicles were targeted. But that could be coincidence.
https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/video-shows-immediate-aftermath-of-kyiv-id753019331?chan=8gwsyvzx
You are funny.
Whatever said and done now that Russia has decided to escalate their attacks
on Ukranian infrastructure like the US did in Iraq and all over the world – watch young Zelensky cry to high heaven for MORE HELP from the WEST.
Yep, More money and weapons.
How can Darth Vlad accuse Ukraine of terrorism on the day the Russians killed 13 civilians shelling Zaporizhzhia, a city Darth Vlad annexed into the Motherland and claims to be protecting? The Kerch Bridge is a critical military supply route and a legitimate military target as long as the Ukrainians take reasonable steps to minimize civilian casualties. Once again the Ukrainians demonstrated their ability to stage commando raids in the heart of occupied territory.
Darth Vlad has lost his war and he seems to have lost more than that. The stench of bat shit hangs heavy over the little man sitting alone at the end of his big table in the Kremlin. Darth Vlad fired three more generals this week and named a new supreme commander of the Russian military operation. I believe this is his third supreme commander in less than eight months.
The attacks on the Kerch Bridge and the Russian air base in Crimea demonstrate that even if the Ukrainian army is driven underground by the Russian military, the Ukrainian resistance will carry on a successful guerilla war that will prevent Darth Vlad’s army from pacifying any part of occupied Ukraine, including Crimea.
Like the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, the Ukrainian offensive last month proves that Ukraine won the war. But like Nixon, Darth Vlad can’t emotionally accept the Ukrainian victory over his superior military. It took seven years after Tet for the United States to accept defeat and withdraw completely from Vietnam. I hope the antiwar movement in Russia can grow quicker than that and that the Russians agree to withdraw.
How can Putin accuse Ukraine of terrorism on the day the
Russians killed 13 civilians shelling Zaporizhzhia, a city Putin
annexed into the Motherland and claims to be protecting? The Kerch
Bridge is a critical military supply route and a legitimate military
target as long as the Ukrainians take reasonable steps to minimize
civilian casualties. Once again the Ukrainians demonstrated their
ability to stage commando raids in the heart of occupied territory.
Putin has lost his war and he seems to have lost more than that. The
stench of bat shit hangs heavy over the little man sitting alone at the
end of his big table in the Kremlin. Putin fired three more
generals this week and named a new supreme commander of the Russian
military operation. I believe this is his third supreme commander in
less than eight months.
The attacks on the Kerch Bridge and the Russian air base in Crimea demonstrate that even if the Ukrainian army is driven underground by the Russian military, the Ukrainian resistance will carry on a successful guerilla war that will prevent Putin’s army from pacifying any part of occupied Ukraine, including Crimea.
Like the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, the Ukrainian offensive last month proves that Ukraine won the war. But like Nixon, Putin can’t emotionally
accept the Ukrainian victory over his superior military. It took seven
years after Tet for the United States to accept defeat and withdraw
completely from Vietnam. I hope the antiwar movement in Russia can
grow quicker than that and that the Russians agree to withdraw.
My previous 2 comments criticizing Putin’s accusation of terrorism are being held for moderation. So now in addition to a religion that cannot be named, the moderators on this site have now seen fit to protect a political demagogue who cannot be satirized. I would like an explanation from TPTB before I decide whether it is worth my time to keep posting on this site.
The moderator already twice threatened to ban me from this site for disparaging members of the religion that cannot be named.
Your comments tripped Disqus’s vulgar word filter. F*ck, sh*t, etc. will often do so. They don’t violate our guidelines, but they do have to be rescued from automatic moderation, and I have to sleep occasionally. If you won’t keep it clean and can’t bear to wait, you have your answer as to whether this particular site is worth your time.
A moderator I can truly appreciate 😉 Hear hear and glad you’re here 😉
Thanks for the clarification. I figured out I could dodge the bot by substituting “manure” for a more guttural noun describing bat excrement.
As someone who uses the F-bomb on a regular basis I often wonder why sometimes that triggers my comment to moderation and sometimes it doesn’t. I’ll do a test: What the fuck?
You won’t be missed!
Actually, he would. He is truly antiwar, and I respect the hell out of him. But I do disagree with him about Ukraine even though he has stated on several occasions that Russia’s security concerns were legit.
Well then I guess that will convince him to stay.
Which is a good thing. He’s antiwar.
Thanks. Likewise.
Agreed. I think Skywalker is my favorite poster here. He’s always rational and doesn’t believe baseless pro-Russian talking points, which puts him in a tiny minority.
Thanks. It is a shame how some people make a cult out of Putin.
Yes, the “baseless ones”. But he believes in the real ones:
“NATO provoked Putin by expanding to Russia’s borders and Russia was justified in protesting the failure of Ukraine to implement the Minsk accords and Russia had good reason to demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO and not enter any anti-Russian alliance.”
So, the question remains as to what was going to change. My guess is the status que would have continued. And at what point was war not inevitable because of that?
Undoubtedly the US was behind this attack as they where responsible for the pipe line attack , for evidence just listern to the rhetoric coming from the likes of Biden / Blinkin ect , Putin should begin hitting rail and port infrastructure to stem the flow of foreign weapons into Ukraine NOW.
How can Putin accuse Ukraine of terrorism on the day the
Russians killed 13 civilians shelling Zaporizhzhia, a city Putin
annexed into the Motherland and claims to be protecting? The Kerch
Bridge is a critical military supply route and a legitimate military
target as long as the Ukrainians take reasonable steps to minimize
civilian casualties. Once again the Ukrainians demonstrated their
ability to stage commando raids in the heart of occupied territory.
Putin has lost his war and he seems to have lost more than that. The
stench of bat manure hangs heavy over the little man sitting alone at the
end of his big table in the Kremlin. Putin fired three more
generals this week and named a new supreme commander of the Russian
military operation. I believe this is his third supreme commander in
less than eight months.
The attacks on the Kerch Bridge and the Russian air base in Crimea
demonstrate that even if the Ukrainian army is driven underground by the
Russian military, the Ukrainian resistance will carry on a successful
guerilla war that will prevent Putin’s army from pacifying any part of
occupied Ukraine, including Crimea.
Like the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, the Ukrainian offensive last month proves that Ukraine won the war. But like Nixon, Putin can’t emotionally
accept the Ukrainian victory over his superior military. It took seven
years after Tet for the United States to accept defeat and withdraw
completely from Vietnam. I hope the antiwar movement in Russia can
grow quicker than that and that the Russians agree to withdraw.
Putin has LOST his war!!!!
Which planet are you on?
Agree that this is not terrorism … this is just a war time attack on supply infrastructure. Very typical.
But I disagree with the Vietnam example: Ukraine, esp the Russian parts of it, are not some far, foreign land Russia wants for strategic reasons. It IS Russia, historically, and now in fact. Russia can’t pack up and leave like we did in Vietnam.
True, Ukraine is not some far, foreign land the Russian regime wants for strategic reasons. It’s some close, foreign land the Russian regime wants for strategic reasons.
If the Russians packed up and left, there would certainly be consequences. But they could, in fact, do just that.
Too simplistic. They could not, in fact, do that sans a complete replacement of Zelensky’s government.
While an assassination attempt might get lucky versus Zelenskyy himself, Russia has proven it doesn’t have the capability to accomplish such a “complete replacement.” If Zelenskyy’s regime is replaced, it will be by Ukrainians and/or another US-backed coup.
The best-case scenario for the Russian fiasco in Ukraine is that they’re able to consolidate their hold on LPR, DPR, and a land corridor to Crimea and get a shaky ceasefire.
That was the best case scenarios as of March. Now, with Ukraine showing they are not independent in any way, what Russia must and will do is full mobilization and then conquest of all the Russian speaking areas up to Odessa.
Which is what Russian hardliners wanted from the beginning.
The hardliners were right. This war was always about conquering Ukraine, not liberating it.
Russian speaking Ukrainians are as loyal to Russia as English speaking Irish are to the UK.
“Must” and “will” are two entirely different things. And in this case, the problem with “will” is that they’ve established they aren’t capable of it.
The Ukrainians are not going to agree to any land corridor. The Russians will be lucky if the Ukrainians agree to a temporary return to the February 23rd lines of control. Even if the US/NATO pressured Zerenskyy to agree to a ceasefire, the resistance would find other leadership and continue until the Russians leave. As in Afghanistan, the Russian people will not support a permanent war in Ukraine. The war is over. But it will take time to get a leadership in the Kremlin that recognizes the need to withdraw from Ukraine.
If the Russians can surge their new conscript levies into LPR, DPR, and the land corridor areas they current hold in time to secure those areas and make them defensible before Russian troops are cleared from Kherson and the rest of Zaporizhzia, then domestic support for the Ukrainian regime could collapse if Zelenskyy refuses a ceasefire offer along that line of control.
The Ukrainian people have put up with quite a bit from Zelenskyy — universal male conscription, state seizure of media, outlawing political opposition, etc. — presumably on the premise that they’re under immediate existential threat. When that threat becomes clearly no longer immediate, they’ll probably be a lot less inclined to go along.
No doubt a Russian surge can seize a land corridor. But no way can the Russians secure any territory in Zaporhizhia or Kherson or Donbass except possibly the territory held by the DPR and the LPR before February and possibly Crimea.
It is a mistake to focus too much on what Zelenskyy may do or be forced to do by the West. Zelenskyy is effectively leading a national resistance movement. But he did not create that movement and does not control it. If Zelenskyy surrenders territory, I expect the national resistance movement would go underground and find new leadership. But the Russians will not be able to pacify Ukreaine unless they break the spirit of the Ukrainian people. And even if they do that, they will have to create a permanent occupation like Israel in Palestine.
Putin lost this war because the Ukrainian people are fighting back and the Russian people are unwilling to fight to restore the empire of Catherine the Great.
The parts of Ukraine Russia is incorporating are indeed Russia and inhabited mostly by Russians. A land is defined by its people, not arbitrary lines on a map.
People, land, and regimes are three different things. No regime has any automatic magical claim on the loyalty of people or the control of land.
There is no part of Ukraine inhabited mostly by Russians except Crimea. Donbas if about 38-39% Russian.
Like Skywalker said, only Crimea. Don’t repeat what you hear, do some research on Ukraine demographics, especially on all those regions being annexed.
The pictures I have seen are of bridges knocked out, and a railway. My guess is the roads, bridges, etc, coming from Poland will be hit.
That would be a good guess if you had an army capable of doing that.
Not to mention the 14,000 civilians killed by the NAZI Ukrainian Regime from 2014 untill Putin went in and saved the rest of the Ukrainian Russian speakers from GENOCIDE .
Yes, not to mention the 14,000 civilians killed by the NAZI Ukrainian regime from 2014 … since, among other things, the largest group of the dead weren’t civilians but Ukrainian troops (followed by civilians, followed by separatist troops).
Russian-speaking all.
British killed a lot of English speaking IRA members. What makes you think Russian speakers are not loyal Ukrainians?
The baseless broken record.
But keep on repeating BS.
Among other things, it seems like the driver of the truck had no idea that the truck was loaded with explosives. That ‘s kinda like terrorism, no?
As far as claims by the Kiev puppet regime on civilian casualties from Russian missiles? There have been quite a lot of such claims. Undoubtedly some are valid. Some have been twisted by the Ukrainian regime and their Western media allies. Quite a number have omitted the fact that there just happened to be an AFU military target near by that the AFU was was using as a human shields. Some turned out to be just bs.
You clearly know NOTHING about the Tet offensive or the Vietnam war. To compare these two conflicts like you have is absurd.
The Ukrainian regime is the invader backed by an outside power.
Without billions of dollars in weapons, intelligence, and likely US and NATO special forces boots on the ground, this conflict would be over.
Without US instigated coup in 2014, there would be no civil war. Without NATO training and arms after that coup, the people in the Donbas would have successfully separated from the Ukrainian state. Without the violation of the Minsk agreements, the situation would likely have stabilized with a
political solution.
Clearly you support US intervention and interference in the affairs of other countries. You also obviously support the extraction of wealth of unwilling citizens by the US government and Western countries.
Since you support this US intervention, how about you paying for it? Leave me and those who oppose such actions out of it?
Yeah, I know. Russia bad. Putin evil. The glorious state. Democracy. Bla, bla, bla.
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Murder.
“The Ukrainian regime is the invader backed by an outside power.”
That statement is absolutely insane. Russia invaded another country. We can disagree over whether the Russian invasion was justified.
Read my post again. The post coup Ukraine government invaded the Donbas. The ILLEGAL puppet regime backed by the US. Funded and installed by AN OUTSIDE POWER : The USA. That regime attempted to make ethnic Russians second class citizens without human rights. You obviously support that. Furthermore you support the American people being forced to pay for this cluster f**k.
What’s insane isn’t what I posted. What’s insane is supporting a government with a proven track record of increasing wars and oppression. In this case, creating scenario that could lead to billions of deaths. Guess what? That’s you.
It is insane to support a government with a proven track record of wars and oppression. So I’m sure you’re dropping your support for Russia posthaste
How exactly am I supporting Russia? Russia doesn’t tax me to pay for their war and I don’t send them money. You’re obviously confused. I also don’t support warmongering politicians.
Which brings the questions back to you. If you are American, do you support the warmongering administration? Do you vote for or fund politicians that are warmongers? That would be all Democrats and most Republicans currently.
Do you support the confiscation of wealth from your fellow citizens to fund wars and interventions?
And finally, just curious, did you believe in the Russiagate hoax? Do you think the 2016 election was stolen because Russia/Putin interfered with the Presidential election?
If a civilian truck driver had no idea Ukrainian agents planted explosives in his truck, that would be a war crime. But unless and until neutral parties can examine the forensic evidence we can’t know exactly what happened on the bridge except there was an explosion. Some demolitions experts have expressed doubt that the damage was done by a truck bomb. They say that the explosive probably came from below. At this point I remain skeptical of reports by Russian or Ukrainian authorities or the press. What is clear is that the Ukrainians are fighting back, the Russians are losing and antiwar sentiment is growing in Russia.
The only army shelling Zaporishzhia was the Azov battery. Ok?
No, that is BS. AZOV was taken and killed by Russia. Those remaining Azov 215 tortured POWs who didn’t get murdered while in captivity, were released by Russia in a POW exchange last month.
There might be a few left out there but that’s no reason to blame them for everything.
Ok, Let’s say for the matter they destroyed the Crimea bridge and the Nord Stream pipeline. Happy now?
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/you-can-always-dream/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter-post-title_2
You Can Always Dream. James Howard Kunstler.
Bridges and supply lines are pretty legitimate military targets. The death toll was mercifully low.
I expect it does elicit some disquiet in Putin if not outright terror as he sees this whole war ending very badly.
War is terror. A rebranding of encroachment among borders & not honoring the cesaefire/line-of-control* led to this war.
*under Minsk 1 & 2 Agreement
——– With war, everything turns to crap.
“In times of universal deceit, said George Orwell, telling the truth is a revolutionary act”. The truth has long departed the scene, so war advocates cherry-pick the news.
First the blast to the Nord 2 pipeline, that was an “opportunity”, says Blinken. Then the blast to the bridge connecting Crimea to Russia. Within one week. Well, here we go.
Apparently Russia has decided to turn the SMO into a real war. That was to be expected since the USA accelerated it and excluded any diplomatic action. Terrorist attacks are increasing in frequency and size, the pipeline sabotage drove the point home. The USA legitimized state sponsored assassinations and terrorism and legalized breaking any international law. The government is a real criminal syndicate putting the MAFIA in the shadow.
The governments are criminal but at least they used to try to hide it.
In the spring of 1942 Soviet (Rusian) troops liberated the first slivers of Ukraine from the Nazi Wehrmacht. FDR and Churchill were not angry and upset.
Things are really off the rails with this from a “progressive, peace loving man”:https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/bernie-sanders-angrily-tells-saudi-seek-putins-help
Well, I agree the US should remove it’s troops from SA…. and every other country the US is in.
Another misuse of the word “terrorist” as the word seems to have lost all meaning:
Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko said rockets had struck targets in the city center, appealing to residents of outlying districts to stay away. Emergency services were at the scene and security forces have closed off streets in the center, Mr. Klitschko said. “The capital is under attack from Russian terrorists!” he wrote.
https://archive.ph/8tJ8s#selection-283.0-283.338
Where was the liar when Kiev bombed Donbass civilians for SEVEN YEARS? They have killed 14,000 people.
Even now they use Washington-provided artillery to attack Donetsk City instead of military units. Just last week more people died. The Ukies just can’t stop killing the civilians, their hatred overruns any military concerns.
Meanwhile they’re losing FIVE conscripts for every Russian killed, and they’ve lost more than 60% of NATO-provided tanks, to take some useless steppe areas. While the Russian military is intact and being supplied with ever more tanks. Keep it up, Zelensky regime. You won’t like what happens to you when this is over.
Still lying about who killed those 14,000 people, and who those 14,000 people were, I see.
14 000 people lost their lives, give or take a little, let us not split hair over a few more or less casualty, they are only a fraction of the total and it is not yet over.
The truth is, that Biden is the real killer of Ukrainian, and Russian conscripts, they come home in body bags for American interests. Biden opposes any diplomatic negotiated end to the killings and destruction, he did say what he wants, he wants a regime change with Putin being replaced by some Navalny bastard, he wants Russia broken up in pieces and American big corporations in control of the Russian economy and resources, the real reason for all regime changes and wars.
Biden is the real war criminal, he is the killer, it is Biden’s war and all the war criminals are in Washington DC. Not one of them has any decency and integrity, not one of them resigned, not one. What a shame, and then there are the NATO IDIOTS, CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH.
They’re all war criminals and killers. Your preferred empire and political death cult is no better than anyone else’s.
Nobody’s haggling over the exact number. The issue is that there has never been any source for exactly who killed those 14,000 people. Everyone here claims it was the Ukrainians but I have yet to see anyone actually provide any proof of that.
For eight years the Banderites indiscriminately shelled the people of the Donbass killing an estimated 14,000 woman and children. The evidence is overwhelming.
In spite of what you tell us the Maidan demonstrations, also called the “revolution of dignity” was an armed coup, extremely violent and spearheaded by Right Sector militants, who willingly placed the US appointed Yatsenyuk into power along with the US supported Neo-Nazi political front Svoboda. What followed were fraudulent elections where ethnic cleansing and genocide predictably yielded a pro US and pro EU client regime. The US and EU elites knew the OUN (Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists) represented massive ethnic cleansing where Russians, Poles and Jews were targeted, but they funded and trained them to take over in Ukraine anyway. One can perhaps understand why many Russian speakers in the eastern Ukraine took up arms in 2014 when they saw the flags of the OUN proudly displayed in Kiev after the violent overthrow of the elected government.
After the Maidan the leaders of two right wing neo-Nazi organisations were rewarded with control of four ministries. For example, Andriy Parubiy, co-founder of the fascist Social National Party (SNPU), which later changed its name to Svoboda, became the new top commander of the National Defense and Security Council. (covering the military, police, courts and intelligence apparatus). The CIA renamed the organisation to “Svoboda,” meaning “Freedom,” to make it more acceptable to Americans.
These are the people that the West placed in power and who attempted the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass and how 14,000 civilians died. The Donbass militia is of course additional to this 14,000.
Its really disgraceful to sweep this under the carpet.
“For eight years the Banderites and separatists indiscriminately shelled each other and the people of the Donbass, killing an estimated 14,000 Ukrainian troops, separatist troops, and civilians.”
Fixed, no charge.
Actually no one knows the exact numbers. It is clar that the US installed regime in Kiev shelled civilian areas in the Donbas over an 8 year period No tally has also been made of those the SBU caused d disappear.
What is also clear is the Ukraine conflict was unnecessary. The US intervention is one of many over the last decades that has resulted in deaths, misery and destruction of prosperity in the target countries.
There is substantial evidence indicating that the Poles had been participating actively in the formation of death squads in Ukraine since September 2013. Also there is substantial evidence that the Right Sector militants were trained by Donald Tusk’s government in Poland two months in advance of what was obviously a pre-planned coup. The Polish press even published the role of Donald Tusk’s government in preparing the coup where the Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski invited 86 members of the Right Sector to the police training center in Legionowo. There, they received four weeks of intensive training in crowd management, person recognition, combat tactics, command skills, behavior in crisis situations, protection against gases used by police, erecting barricades, and shooting, including the handling of sniper rifles. Donald Tusk, who is now President of the European Council, whose grandfather, Josef Tusk, served in Hitler’s Wehrmacht, has consistently demanded that the Kiev regime imposed by the US and EU deal with the Donbass people brutally, “as with terrorists”.
While the Polish special services were training the future participants of the Maidan operations and the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs made this official statement (02-02-2014): “We support the hard line taken by the Right Sector… The radical actions of the Right Sector and other militant groups of demonstrators and the use of force by protestors are justified… The Right Sector has taken full responsibility for all the acts of violence during the recent protests. This is an honest position, and we respect it. The politicians have failed at their peacekeeping function. This means that the only acceptable option is the radical actions of the Right Sector. There is no other alternative”.
In this statement by the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs we can see that the Polish government (NATO) is using violence (radical actions) as a means of ensuring the Ukrainian politicians fail in their peace keeping functions. Ukraine illustrates the role assigned by NATO to Poland. To overthrow the government of its neighbour state, Donald Tusk resorted to neo Nazi activists in the same way that NATO in Turkey uses Al-Qaeda (Al Nusra Front) to overthrow the Syrian government.
Its no coincidence that Victoria Nuland indicated the US had invested $5 billion on a regime change in Ukraine and its no coincidence that the CIA is in Kiev to ensure that the regime change occurs. Its no coincidence that the Rand Corporation documented the necessary steps to genocide the eastern federations prior to the events and its no coincidence that Banderite organisations were enlisted to action the genocide, to ensure that a pro Russian government is not returned to power in Ukraine.
Please cite one single sources, not from Russian state media, that indicates all 14,000 civilians were killed killed solely by Ukrainians.
Russia would never! Oh. Wait. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/10/missile-attacks-hit-cities-across-ukraine-what-we-know-so-far
That’s some Keyboard Macho talk there on your last sentence. Lol
Jon, You are very delusional. Seriously.
You are worse than the Russian state media. At least they finally softened their rhetoric and started to admit that Russia isn’t doing well.
You can lie to yourself and say that Russians aren’t losing soldiers.
But here’s something, Russian soldiers are surrendering in masses everywhere. Wonder why?
Do you see Ukrainians surrendering in masses? No, and that’s because they are voluntarily fighting for their land. If they surrender, no other Ukrainians are going to shoot them for doing so, and they will not have to face jail time when they return from captivity because they surrendered. I’d say morale is much better on Ukraine side.
Lastly, you are wrong about the Tanks. The Kremlin actually has announced to have destroyed about 400% of Ukrainian tanks. That’s right, the Russian MoD claimed to have destroyed over 4,000 Ukrainian tanks. That’s four times the amount of Tanks Ukraine had. Lol
Correction: The Russian MoD doesn’t announce numbers of allegedly destroyed tanks. It announces numbers of allegedly destroyed “tanks and other armored vehicles.” So their numbers would include armored personnel carriers, self-propelled artillery, mobile armored air defense vehicles, etc.
That doesn’t mean the MoD’s numbers are accurate, of course. But no, they haven’t claimed to have destroyed over 4,000 Ukrainian tanks.