A Ukrainian military official told The Times on Monday that Ukraine is preparing to target Russia’s Black Sea fleet with Western-provided arms.
“We have a permanent threat from the Russian Black Sea fleet. Given the new technologies and capabilities we receive, we have to address this threat,” Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Volodymyr Havrylov said.
Since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, the US and its allies have sent various anti-ship missiles to Ukraine, including US-made Harpoons and British-made Brimstone missiles. In June, Ukraine claimed it used two Harpoon missiles to sink a Russian tugboat.
“We are receiving anti-ship capabilities and sooner or later we will target the fleet. It is inevitable because we have to guarantee security to our people,” Havrylov said.
Havrylov also said that attacking Russia’s Black Sea fleet would help Ukraine take back Crimea, which Russia has controlled since 2014. “Sooner or later we will have enough resources to target Russia in the Black Sea and Crimea. Crimea is Ukrainian territory, that’s why any target there is legitimate for us,” he said.
Havrylov said that Russia will have “to leave Crimea if they wish to exist as a country.” Over the weekend, a Ukrainian intelligence official said Kyiv could start attacking Crimea with US-provided High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), a truck-mounted multiple rocket launcher.
The US sought assurances that Ukraine wouldn’t use the HIMARS on Russian territory, but since Ukraine and the US do not recognize Crimea as Russian, the territory is a gray area. Havrylov said Ukraine is in talks with the West on whether it can use Western-provided arms against Russian targets in Crimea.
In comments to Antiwar.com, the State Department implied the US would allow Ukraine to use the HIMARS on Crimea. When asked if the ban on using HIMARS on Russian territory applies to Ukraine, a State Department spokesperson said, “Crimea is Ukraine.”
Russia has made clear that it would view attacks on Crimea as a major escalation. Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev warned of a “doomsday” response to such attacks and said the fact that Ukraine and some NATO countries don’t recognize Crimea as Russian is a “systemic threat” to Russia.
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The “Elensky Curse” is coming.
Let’s not be naive – these weapons are being operated by NATOland military
Targeting, actually. How did the Ukraine military allegedly locate and kill Russian generals?
LOL – you really think people can be trained to operate complex high tech rocket systems in a week or two ?
Yes sireee, it’s NATOland through and through. Soup to nuts. It’s not a secret that NATO officers are commanding Kiev’s military too. (Advising)
Simple, the Kremlin does not promote to Generals their most qualified Officers. They promote to Generals the most loyal. This is to avoid having many smart Generals unite and plan a government takeover (coup). While in Ukraine, within Ukraine’s cel phone antennas, the Ukraine special intelligence collection teams, and under constant watch from the Ukrainian collaborator’s network, these generals are normally very indiscipline and complaisant. Because Russia lacks effective secured communications at all levels of military echelons, they engage in unsafe/open (cellphones) communication methods that can be easily heard and geo located by the Ukrainians. Once all those details are corroborated, all it takes is a fire mission. So not very hard to do, now, on some hits, if they received external assistance. That is highly possible.
“Simple, the Kremlin does not promote to Generals their most qualified Officers. They promote to Generals the most loyal.”
Yeah, just like in the U.S. military
No, our loyalty is to the Constitution of US, not to any President. If you are an American which I doubt, you would know that.
You’re a moronic troll.
And you are a fake Russian Hacker. A truly Keyboard Warrior.
Very probably, although we still haven’t seen any actual proof. Probably because when Russian blows these things up the NATO troops operating them are blown up, too. Once the war is over, Russia may locate Ukrainian documents proving this, however.
My wild guess is the Allies ( RF, LPR, DPR, etc ) see a benefit in not disclosing NATO ‘advisors’ captured or KIA‘d. Maybe it’s the easy pickings ?
The sinking of the tugboat was a major victory!
You’re misinformed. It was a Romanian merchant vessel that ran into a ukranian mine, floating around in the sea…
Ah, but not what the great and wonderful Zelensky said. It was a magnificent display of military prowess.
Don’t forget the two row boats that they sabataged!
And a kayak 😉
Well, and the Black Sea Fleet’s flagship, the Moskva, which they sank.
See what I mean? He only comes in to crow about Russian “losses”, despite the fact that there is still no proof the Moskva was even hit by Ukraine in any fashion.
Then he proclaims he doesn’t care about either side. That is what makes him a fucking liar.
So let me see if I have this right:
It isn’t “crowing” to sneer about two rowboats being sabotaged?
But it’s “crowing” to note that a real ship was sunk, in the context of the people who sank that ship saying they’re going to target more ships?
You do not know that to be true….
If Crimea is targeted then Lviv might have a hot day, 10,000 degrees in the shade and uninhabitable to 50,000 years.
Russia can end this madness today. All it has to do is to pull back out to the 2014 border.
According to US officials US & European allies will not be able to maintain current levels of support for Kiev for a prolonged period of time. The tactics of attritional military operations in Ukraine are totally confusing Pentagon analysts.
I have said from the day the SMO started that Russia will grind out NATO weapons, economy and people in the West. It would appear that the main goal of the operation is not at all the surrender of Kyiv. It is the destruction of the Western powers and we are to ignorant, stupid and malevolent to see it.
The Russian Federation through attrition is most effectively implementing the process of dissarm and demilitarisation not only of Ukraine, but of the entire collective West, bleeding out the West and if we continue an economic collapse is coming.
The sanctions war is hurting the American economy. At the same time, the United States needs to fully support Ukraine, even paying the salaries of the entire state apparatus, and soon it will also need to support the declining economy of the European Union.
Russia in Ukraine is fighting for the Russian world which includes the Ukraine. Once you see this geopolitical perspective you can understand the war in the Donbass. A war Russia is going to win.
It’s an ugly situation. Too bad NATO did not want to negotiate, what choice did Russia have but to invade.
According to US officials…
The World Health Organisation has its own problems. Since May of this year, almost all management functions in the planning and conduct of hostilities have been assumed by foreign advisers from the United States, Great Britain and Canada. the officers (from the battalion commander and below), who are sent to conduct military operations in the Donbass, are unprepared, with a low professional level, and the functions of commanders of the Armed Forces are often performed by fighters of the Nationalist Battalions. (ie Nazi’s)
Ukraine can end this madness today. Severe ties with the US and Zelensky goes good on his campaign promises. Russia would be gone tomorrow.
See, now you are just full up Pro Putin. Ukraine did not invade Russia and Ukraine is a free sovereign country.
I’m sure you blame Palestine too for wanting to have its own piece of land and be friendly with the rest of the Muslim world.
Wars would be the last person to blame Palestine for anything, Don.
The unfortunate truth is that Russia’s invasion was a direct result of Ukraine’s refusal to abide by the Minsk Agreements.
And the fact Ukraine did not invade Russia and Ukraine is a sovereign country are the reasons why Ukraine should continue towards self-destruction? That is your reasoning? And me wanting Ukraine to sever ties with the superpower using them as a sacrificial lamb, and wanting Zelensky to honor what Zelensky promised is somehow going full up pro Putin? There just no realism allowed.
And fu*k you for even daring making that comparison.
Zelensky can end this madness today. All he has to do is declare that Ukraine will never join NATO, Crimea remains Russian, and the Donbass will remain independent.
Which was pretty much it from square one.
Don, that’s not going to happen.
The solution is for Zelensky to accept negotiators instead of begging for more and more weapons.
By attacking Cremia, bombing and shelling it Ukraine would be killing its own people. What’s more important a piece of land or human beings living on that piece of land. It appears that Ukraine is not concerned about the lives and well being of what they wrongly claime are their own people. If Cremians wanted to return to Ukraine they would be fighting for it, same as the Donbas people are fighting to join Russia. But they don’t .
If Russia is attacking Ukraine, a country they claim to be part of Russia, then based on your analogy, Russia is too killing its own people. To Russia, the land of Ukraine it’s clearly more important than its people hence the unobserved shelling and bombing of cities all over Ukraine.
And again, none of this would happen if Russia didn’t invade
Ok, now come back and tell me about the Minsk agreement, 2014 protest, the 300 Neo Nazis, NATO aspirations, and the rest of the same playbook answers defending Putin everybody else here always has.
Ukraine is using people as human shields. They attack Russian forces from high rise buildings. People are hiding in basements. One can tell by the way these buildings are damaged, they are not bombed but damaged from artillery fire (from tanks) . Russia could easily have flatened and razed cities to the ground same as the US has done in Syria’s Raqa and Iraq’s Faluha which cities were razed to the ground and thousands of bodies pulled from under the ruble months later. Ukraine is today shelling liberated cities in the Donbas killing their own people, as they have been doing for the last eight years, having cost the lives of some 14000 East Ukrainians.
Human shields. Where do you want Ukraine to fight and defend from? China? They don’t have anywhere else to go. But, speaking of human shields, have you seen the hundreds of videos of Russians leveling cities? Have you seen the hundreds of videos of Russians parking their hardware next to Ukrainians houses, buildings, etc., to use as cover? You won’t if you only watch RT news. It’s war, maneuver warfare requires using terrain to your advantage but you cannot tell me that every time Russia hits a building with civilians, that it was being used as weapons storage.
Russia can pull out today and no one else will be killed.
Actually they (the Ukrainians) do. The Ukrainians have CHOSEN to fight in the cities, in order to minimize Russian superiority in armor and open field combat; that’s their decision, and it (sort of) makes tactical sense, but when you do that you expose your citizens to artillery fire. So their incessant whining about “civilians being killed” is a little self-serving and hypocritical.
We (the US) do this too, and are very quick to blame the collateral damage on “the bad guys” (see Fallujah) and also on the civilians themselves, for failing to evacuate from the battle zone.
As far as errant shots going awry and killing civilians, that’s unfortunate and sad; but until the US actually takes responsibility for all the civilians we kill (and that includes the 10 children, DELIBERATELY killed as part of a “righteous strike” (in Milley’s own words) in the last couple days of the Afghan evacuation, because our professional targeters have their brains up their butts) spare me the indignation.
You are defending the indefensible. Just looking for a reply and so you can go on and on and on infinitely. There is no point to continue this. You are on the wrong side of history that’s for sure and you will find out eventually. Good bey.
Yep. I’m defending the people who are defending themselves from an invader.
I’m sure I’ll be on the right side of history.
Again, you are either lying or fantastically ignorant. It is by no means a requirement that the Ukraine mount its defense in the cities. Indeed, in WWII, even the Nazis often chose to leave a city (Rome and Paris, to name two) and declare it “open,” and mount their defense in unpopulated areas on the other side of the city, rather than do what NATO and the Ukraine are doing.
Also, the USA, Israel, and the rest of the Western hegemons, that just can’t get enough of the “brave” Ukrainian defenders, routinely drape the “human shield” label on this tactic when it used by Iraqis, Syrians, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc.
Give it a rest, war mongering propaganda person.
I’m a liar and fantastically ignorant only because I disagree with you. I won’t cheerlead your delusional BS.
Once again, Ukraine is fighting for its existence. Go defend Israel too. They need people like you.
You’re either a liar or an ignoramus because you claim that the Ukraine must use this tactic. That is simply untrue. It is also a war crime, by the way to plant military equipment in civilian areas and not evacuate them.
And, nice spin on the Israel thing! Jeez, the bad faith depths that the Ukrainian war mongering fanatical nationalists will sink to!
What a garbage poster and troll you are!
Good logical argument, mate. You hit the nail on the head.
He always does🙂
You are both very kind!
And you, PL, are very intelligent and astute!
“Ok, now come back and tell me about the Minsk agreement, 2014 protest, the 300 Neo Nazis, NATO aspirations, and the rest of the same playbook answers defending Putin everybody else here always has.”
You did it for him. And you were nearly spot on. But the 2014 wasn’t a “protest” it was a coup. And none of what you said is defending Putin, it’s defending Russia.
There you go again with your cherry picking, completely ignoring the main point.
None of those things justified a full invasion. Most Russians don’t care about Ukraine, those who do, when they do, only do it because Putin and his inner circle are calling for it like they do with the BS drug addicts, neo Nazis, NATO blah. . Those were just excuses to take the country back into their sphere of influence.
As far as the playbook answers, well, let me expound:
– Minsk Agreement: both countries violated it but Russia started when it violated the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 by taking Crimea, the same one you choose to ignore and/or not read about. It guaranteed Ukraine its territorial integrity in exchange for returning the Nuclear Arsenal they inherited in 1993. The same one that obliged UK and US to if ever violated, provide economic and military assistance to Ukraine.
– The 300 Phantom Neo Nazi group: I thought they were all dead by now but somehow it grows by the day. Perhaps because a Neo Nazi is anybody that does not want to be part of Russia. And why do Russia cares about them when Russia itself has an even larger group of Neo Nazis in their own country.
– NATO aspirations: Russia has historically abused Ukraine. Ukraine has always been under threat by Russia wanting them to be another Belarus. Any country under this type conditions is going to want to have protection and they are free to have treaties with anybody.
– 2014 Protest: You know the story but choose to pick the lines you like. Yanukovych under pressure from Putin, walked away from an economic agreement with the EU that was going to bring economic relief and prosperity to the country. It would have helped Ukraine to supply its own Natural Gas to EU but, NO, Putin wants gas monopoly. He gave Yanukovych a 15 billion bailout in exchange for cancelling the deal. He basically sold the country to Putin. I think the coup was self-inflicted at that point and an internal Ukraine matter, but internal matters sometimes brings external parties wanting to assist. You don’t want to hear that. You like the opposite narrative cause it better fits your peanut gallery agenda. But taxpayer’s money…?. Show me a superpower that doesn’t project its economic instrument of power.
You find refuge here because everybody agrees with you, those everybody are mainly Pro Putin, hate Ukraine, hate and discredit Zelensky, and even more, hate US/UK and NATO. All under the cover of being “Anti-War.”
Now go ahead and pick a word or two from above and dissect it like you always do.
“There you go again with your cherry picking, completely ignoring the main point.”
I commented on what sure as hell sounded like your main point. You tell someone that none of this happens without Russia’s invasion and then go on to downplay why Russia invaded. So, what was your “main point”?
“You find refuge here because everybody agrees with you, those everybody are mainly Pro Putin, hate Ukraine, hate and discredit Zelensky, and even more, hate US/UK and NATO. All under the cover of being “Anti-War.”
I’m not seeking refuge here and I could give a shit if anyone agrees with me. Or am I missing your “main point” in that paragraph too?
You should actually read the Budapest Memorandum some time. It does not “oblige UK and US to if ever violated, provide economic and military assistance to Ukraine.” Rather, it obligates the UK and US to “seek immediate UNSC action to provide assistance to Ukraine.” That’s it. To go to the UNSC and “seek assistance.” Which they have already done. After that, the US and the UK don’t owe the Ukraine a brass farthing. Which is what they should give it.
Also, the US pledged at Budapest to respect the “sovereignty and independence” of the Ukraine, which pledge it obviously and grossly violated when it handed out (literally!) cookies to coupsters seeking to overthrown the elected, legitimate government of Ukraine.
Really, you either don’t know what you are talking about, or you are in bad faith.
I’m glad I made you read it and I’m sure you now know that Russia was out of place by taking Crimea.
The issue was Brough up for vote to the UNSC in 2014 and Russia voted against it. That’s right, Russia voted against actions against itself after violating it so the US and UK took action as they had a moral obligation to withhold the agreement.
Read the Budapest Memorandum a long time ago. Unlike you. Still waiting for you to defend your claim that the UK and the US were obligated by the Budapest Memorandum to provide military and economic assistance. Not a made up out of whole cloth, “moral obligation,” but an obligation arising from the Memorandum. Let’s stick to that. You claimed it. So you prove it. Oh wait, you can’t. Cuz the Memorandum says no such thing.
Again, you either (1) don’t know what you are talking about, or (2) are lying. Or perhaps, now (3), are deflecting, because you realize your position is entirely indefensible. Next time, “Don” Julio, don’t make up statements that you can’t prove. Don’t say a document says something that it doesn’t say. Don’t make stuff up. Don’t lie. Don’t BS. And when you are proven to be wrong, admit it like a man. ‘K?
The US is trying to make Russia take the other hand out by hitting Russian ships. They want Ukraine to lose as catastrophically as possible to justify more war. They’d like for Russia to target the Ukrainian leadership, but I don’t think Russia will oblige. More likely Russia pull back its ships and go after everything in Ukraine that even looks like a missile, and loosen up the target list around Kiev. The US needs leadership that can out think Putin. Ain’t happening.
The U.S. needs leadership that can out think the genecidal, suicidal proclivities of the U.S Neocons who have decided to gamble the survival of all life on earth to get a first strike advantage over Russia.
The neocons are the US leadership. They fill the power vacuum at the eye of the sh*tstorm.
Nicely phrased and clearly stated…
I just type what the voices tell me.
Leadership exists in different arenas. Biden has 40% approval. Allows for other leadership to arise in other places. OBama is gone. But his, Clinton’s, Nuland, et AL war drags on. Biden is the inflation president. He is in trouble. His policies are destroying the voters. Bye Bidon & his brain dead policy.
Indeed … and this moment of their comprehensive control of the US govt — the Executive by virtue of a president in hopeless cognitive decline — and pointedly, the State Department which directs US foreign policy. Because the Neocons have directed US foreign policy disasters since Iraq War 2, this final catastrophe — strategic and economic — should be their last “hurrah!”.
Here, by way of evidence of Neocon control, is a graphic showing Biden’s Neocon “handlers”: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee10f5767a4e69409bd5dc43fb3a134036493375ea2c2494a9a22b9e880058a2.png
Who handles the handlers?
The flag tells us all we need to know 😉
But the Israelis have been playing musical governments for awhile, which may explain why the neocons seem more and more like a conspiracy in search of a theory.
Good one, Jeff! The United States of Israel!
How is sticking a picture of an Israeli flag next to a picture someone “evidence” of anything?
I’d like to see someone flesh that out but I randomly read Avril Haines’ Wikipedia page and it creeped me out. Things have become so crazy it’s to some extent impossible not to sound crazy talking about it.
If the US manage to sneak something out there (like I said, Russia has thousands of agents within the corrupt Nazi regime, army and death squads) that survives an initial attack, Russia will swiftly replace the ships with subs, there’s 12 or more of them in the black Sea, and that will be that.
Point is that US already has so many of it’s dirty fingers in this, that it’ll take very little for Russia to retaliate directly against f.ex the US command center that runs this war from Lvov (these 200+ Pentagram agents doesn’t officially exist so it wouldn’t matter much don’t you think?) , or any place in or outside of what’s left of the ukraine.
For Russia its an existential war, one it has to fight against the collective west when their amnesia from previous defeats kicks in, every 75 years or so.
Nikki I’d like to give you an upvote… your posts invariably make a good deal of sense… but for your referring to the Pentagon as the “pentagram”.
I get where your coming from. Satanists and other evil groups have employed the pentagram. However, they STOLE this sacred symbol from the Pagans and Wiccans.
The pentagram or pentacle is a star within a circle as you know. The circle represents protection; the five points of the Star indicate earth, fire, air water, and spirit.
A bit off-topic, I know, but as a Pagan I just wished to clear things up.
The Pagans should sue. Or at least cast a spell.
Oh, we leave that up to the Wiccans, Ted 😉
Not getting between the Pagans and Wiccans.
Sorry for that. No offence to pagans.
What will the Russians do if Zelinsky crosses the reddest of red lines…????? Only time will tell, but I would not want to be anywhere near their Capitol if they attack Crimea…..!!!!!!!
How much control do you think the druggie piano player ‘elensky really has ?
I have no idea how much control he has, or how much control Biden has. It does not seem to matter much to me who originates policy so much as what is occurring. I make an exception when analysing huge & game changing statements or events such as Stoltenburg statment that NATO will not negotiate on Ukraine becoming a member which I believe would allow them put nuclear armed missiles on Russia”s border, that is seen as an exitential threat by them to the lives of tens or hundred million of their citizens. Much like the crisis when the U.S. realized that Russian nuclear missiles were installed or to be installed in Cuba in 1962. At that time a deal was reached through the negotiations and not a shot was fired.
It is hard to believe that Stoltenburg is allowed to close the door to negotiate and give Russia no peaceful path to prevent having those nuclear missiles put right across their border.
…. It is hard to believe that Stoltenburg is allowed to close the door to negotiate…..
That’s why those people are called THE WAR PARTY.
Your ‘exitential’ is missing an ‘s’… 😉
I appreciate, very much, what you have said.
He is only a druggie piano player because Russia told you that and you repeat the same disinformation. Here’s how Russia discredit those they don’t like. You are just a Russian repeater antenna.
LOL – good try, but the piano player with his dick video is real. It’s also obvious ‘elensky has a drug problem
Is this playing piano with his dick or pretending to play piano with his dick as part of a show?
Here’s a source:
Where’s your evidence that he has a drug problem?
RT news’ claims? Yep, Russian propaganda in full display by you.
Look, the poor sap made a deal with the devil and now he’s trapped by the war party. Said War Party wants to fight the DPR and LPR to the last Ukrainian.
Havrylov said that Russia will have “to leave Crimea if they wish to exist as a country.”
More like Russia would cease to exist as a country. Russia will use nukes before that happens. Or after.
I think you meant Ukraine in the second sentence …
Actually, no. Havrylov had it backwards. If Russia were to leave Crimea, they would lose their warm water port and to them that means their existence as they know it. And of course, he knew they aren’t going to voluntarily leave so they would have to be forced out. And since there is no way in hell Ukraine takes Crimea without direct US/NATO involvement it’s on to WW3. So, yeah, at that point I think the nukes come out and we’re all dead.
I think it is more likely that the U.S./NATO will be the first to use nukes.
Hmm: Warm water ports????
This is interesting:
This was me on May 11, 2022:
“Who the hell wants to invade Russia, the largest country in the world with some of the coldest regions and zero warm beaches?”
This was your response
“Possibly the dumbest statement ever printed in the comment section. It’s cold and there are no beaches. Feel safe Russia.”
You are obviously learning something from this dumbass. Now go ahead and spin it with some beaches vs ports semantics.
On May 11th you described Russia being undesirable (cold region, no beaches) as a reason as to why they shouldn’t fear invasion. I said that was a dumb statement. I still think that. I haven’t got a clue as to why you’re bringing that up as having anything to do with what I said today about Crimea.
“Now go ahead and spin it with some beaches vs ports semantics.”
There is such a disconnect between weapon capabilities and the deranged pronouncement by politicians, faux “military experts”, and the press. Crimea is an area of over 10,000 square miles; Sevastopol, where the Black Sea fleet is based, is over 280 miles from Mykolaiv; Harpoon missiles have a range of 187 miles; Brimstone missiles have a range of MAYBE 35 miles; and neither of them can hit a submerged submarine. Himars has a range of 40 miles firing conventional rockets, 100+ if firing a single missile (none of which were provided to Ukraine).
Might as well be shooting at the moon. MAYBE the Ukrainians could hit the fleet IF they had an air force, capable of flying 200 miles over the sea to close the distance before launching, BUT they don’t.
More “feel good” nonsense from Zelensky fanboys. These clowns make me sick.
Well said. America’s young men are voting with their feet. Fewer and fewer refuse to join the US Military which currently has a 25% shortfall in recruitment.
Looks like they do not want to fight in a war for senile Joe Biden or Zelensky.
It seems the gullible 17 / 24 year old,s are at last waking up to what they would actually be fighting for and it ain`t to save American lives either , everyone who is thinking of joining the military should ask this question , WHATS IN IT FOR ME , because my life is worth a lot more than a few thousand dollars .
There seems much potential for this situation to escalate into something far more dangerous…
“Russia will have to leave Crimea if they wish to exist as a country”.
Has a more absurd statement ever been made? 😂 ZelBoy and his pack of Nazis appear to actually believe that they can defeat Russia!
Scary but true!
I don’t think they believe any of it. I think they know perfectly well what the truth is. Havrylov et al will continue to hang around and perform their various Baghdad Bob imitations as long as the western money flows in and they feel safe. Meanwhile they will siphon off all they can into their Swiss and Panamanian bank accounts.
As one of the commenters noted, the Ukraine was a strikingly advanced and wealthy region when it achieved independence after the fall of the Soviet Union. Sadly, governance fell into the hands of looters — oligarchs, Bidens, Neocons, etc — who stripped the country for 25 years until the end game — the beginning of the end — in 2014. Now they are sacrificing the Ukrainian people en masse as they gather the last of the loot.
When things progress to the point where total defeat is imminent and their own personal safety is at risk, the looters will fly off to wherever they have prepared their sanctuary. Zelensky for example, will flee with his family to a $24 million dollar mansion in the Miami, FL area.
The trick will be getting the timing right. If they get too greedy and hang around too long, they may end up getting a visit from Mr. Zircon.
Zelensky has lost his mind, he will invite all the western Ukrainian cities currently at relative peace and Kyiv to be bombed into oblivion if he attacks Crimea.
More importantly, the Harpoons have to get through Russian naval air defense, which is as layered as their land AD. They also, as Martyanov continually points out, have to have a targeting solution, which as Javy Lopez said, is a bit difficult when the front lines are far from the target.
Bernhard at MoA discusses Lavrov’s remarks about the impact of long-range weapons to Ukraine: Russia will take as much of Ukraine as necessary to prevent Ukraine from threatening Russia. Although Lavrov does not say this explicitly, that is exactly what I’ve been saying. The end result will be Russia controlling and de-militarizing ALL of Ukraine.
Lavrov – Extended Range Weapons In Ukraine Will Lead To More Loss Of Its Land
If the Ukrainian Nazis attack Crimea, it will be their last volley.
If the US uses Ukraine to sink the Russian fleet, the only way that Russia can get even is by supplying missiles to Iran for sinking the US fleet.
Looks like the doomsday clock is now firmly in the hands of the psychopaths in Kyiv.
In the 19th century, the French and British tried to take Crimea from the Russians. In the 20th century, the Germans tried to take Crimea. Looks like the US’s turn in the 21st century to try and take Crimea with the help of the Ukrainians.
The latest of the remaining US wunderwaffe du jour “HIMARS” (7 shells fired by Nato personnel, one got through the AD) managed to make one ridiculously small pothole in the Kerson bridge, that’s all and then Russia took the HIMAR out. It’ll take several hundreds of them and thousands of shells to take down that, or any other bridge. But Russia will grind them down as they sure as H do, every day.
The harpoons too, was destroyed by Russia and since there are thousands of Russian agents within the ukranian Nazi-regime, army command and “intelligence” they will all be found and obliterated.
The Moskva was sunk by a Ukrainian missile similar to the Harpoon and the Russians didn’t get that one, but I expect they don’t intend to lose any more ships. I imagine you’re right about the Ukrainian military being thoroughly penetrated but if they actually manage to step up their anti-ship game the Russians are going to seriously light Ukraine up, which is what the US wants. My guess is the plan is to cross the Neocon Rubicon via R2P.
Don’t lie will you? What sunk the Moskva is not established yet, that is a fact.
Certainly not any ukie missiles in any case. It is leaning more towards an accident or some NATO involvement. If Nato Russia would have retaliated by now, so accident most likely but its all speculations or day dreaming on your part. Another fact is that your Nazi proxies are losing big time. Live with it.
Down, nikki. I don’t have any proxies, Nazis or otherwise, and it seems to me more plausible that the Moskva was hit with a missile than that a warship of that size just exploded and sank in a war zone, though of course there were munitions and volatiles on board and things happen. Supposing that the Ukrainians managed to sink a major Russian ship isn’t taking sides, it’s making a judgment.
Oh great, now I have to add “doomsday” to my list of things to do today…
I started off my day with a bee sting in my neck but now I must move on to building my bomb shelter…
Better to be vaporized immediately than to emerge from a bomb shelter to a nuclear winter!
The Neocons want Wars with Russia, China and Iran all at the same time.
MOSCOW, July 20 – RIA Novosti. If Ukraine receives long-range weapons from Western countries, then the geographical tasks of the special operation of the Russian troops will change, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of RT and the Rossiya Segodnya media group.
And Putin will just sit by and do nothing ? , the fact is if the Russian fleet is targeted Putin will respond with shock and awe and if NATO gets in the way they will become legitimate targets , they should be already for supplying arms that are killing Russians .
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