On the third day of a week-long meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency’s Board of Governors, the body passed a anti-Iran resolution related to the uranium traces at undeclared sites. The vote was 30-2, with three abstentions. Russia and China opposed.
The IAEA has been harping on having found unexplained traces of unenriched uranium at a pair of undeclared sites for years. Iran turned over what it said were all explaining documents last month, though the IAEA insists they are not satisfied with the explanation.
The resolution expresses “profound concern” at the lack of a sufficient explanation, and calls for Iran to explain some more. Though critical of Iran, it doesn’t appear the resolution has any enforcement power, beyond picking a fight with Iran.
In general, such a resolution would need to happen at the UN Security Council, but with both Russia and China opposing the vote, a veto would almost be unavoidable.
Iran had warned the IAEA about complaining on this topic, calling it a political matter. It doesn’t appear that Iran has any further explanations to offer.
In retaliation for the resolution, Iran has disconnected certain IAEA monitoring cameras at its facilities. The number of cameras and where are as yet unclear.
With no monitoring agreement in place, Iran was not obliged to keep those cameras there, and said it was a “goodwill” gesture before to have done so. Even then, there’s no agreement for the IAEA to get access to the footage, so in practice it means very little.
It’s not clear if this is the end of the topic of Iran at the current meeting. It seems unlikely further resolutions would happen there just now.
“Profound concern” with “traces” of unenriched uranium? I probably have some of that in my backyard soil. The IAEA is going to have to make a stronger, and public, case for why it is concerned. Iran could probably redact the information they provided and release it publicly as well.
The fix is obviously in for Iran. They need to hurry up and test, and deploy in parallel. They should strap boosters onto their existing launch vehicles to increase the throw weight and then add on all the penetration aids they can think of to muddy the ABM threat. They would only need to deliver a handful of warheads to kill most of the Israeli population. Israel speaks no other language but fear and violence so that’s the language Iranians have to use before it’s too late.
I disagree. I think even the know how, which Iran already has, is adequate as a deterrent for Israel. In other words, Israel knows that if it ever significantly actually attacks Iran itself, Iran will be obligated and able to weaponize quickly and respond and will have international community support to do so at that time.
Yeah, that’s the other track. The risk is that Israel will preemptively go nuclear, in which case having a counter strike capability is a necessary deterrent. Iran shouldn’t make assumptions. And the reality is that Israel could set up death camps in Iran and the US would still back it.
The Samson option … not impossible. But a nation that would go full nuclear attack against a non-nuke nation not attacking them to the point of potential annihilation would become a complete international pariah.
Israel often acts like the drunk “hold me back or I’ll beat the crap out of this guy” person at a bar, especially when it wants to pressure its buddies to do something for it. But when push gets to shove, it knows it needs to live in this neighborhood with these neighbors forever, whereas its western friends are only temporary.
I have to believe it will act rationally when its very survival is at risk.
“Rational” politicians? Seriously? Would you tether to that? Israel is already heading toward international pariah. They may prefer international mad dog. And we’re not talking about the Sampson option, which is a MAD doctrine. We’re just talking about the destruction of Iran. And I’m not saying there wouldn’t be some hair mussed, but try to look at it from the viewpoint of religious fanatics certain of an existential threat. Israel has always more or less openly adopted the belief that force is the only option, not implausibly, and nuking Iran could be seen as simply the logical application of that belief. The world will recoil in horror, the US will wave its hands, and we’ll go from there.
Sadly the experience of the Jewish people has been that they can only truly rely on themselves. When Iran repeatedly threatens to destroy Israel and/or level Tel Aviv, Israel must take them at their word. This IS rational behaviour.
How lovely that you believe an APARTHEID NATION displays “rational behavior”.
As far as”relying on themselves” goes, I think you mean that Israel relies on $4 billion a year of US taxpayer dollars.
You really are stupid, aren’t you?
Israel has a GDP of over $400 billion
Then how about you explain to me why the Government Occupying Palestine needs $4 BILLION of my tax dollars annually, SFB?
Perhaps IsraHell could politely decline 😆
and Amerikkka could utilize this welfare money to benefit our own homeless and seniors, implement health care for all, repair our infrastructure, etc. etc. etc.
Because according to YOU , IsraHell doesn’t need it. It continues to spend many millions to elect congresswhores to do their bidding.
Given the amount of time you spend posting here, I doubt you pay any taxes at all
I had to google “SFB”, but you actually have as many posts on this thread as Gypsy33 and clearly enough time to answer the question. Which I’ld like to hear, if you think you can dumb it down for us. Type real slow.
Here’s an article which you can read at your own pace. And for the record, Gypsy has posted 1600 times. I’ve posted 130 times
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/american-military-aid-israel-context/585988/
I’ve only posted 120 times so I guess I’m better then either of you. I agree with your linked article that most of the money the US gives Israel is “funneled back to the American defense sector”, which is the primary reason it happens, but how about you answer the question instead of hiding behind the MSM’s skirt.
Israel is one of America’s strongest strategic allies. It is not only my opinion that this is money well invested. Nevertheless Israel can do without it. I’m fine either way. I’m only troubled by those who want to withhold this aid for dubious reasons that might jeopardize Israel’s security.
Israel is a strategic albatross, and that’s not only my opinion. And if Israel can, as you say, do without US money then not giving it any won’t jeopardize it, as you also say. Pick a line and stick with it. Regardless, Israel isn’t by any stretch of the imagination an “investment”. It’s a money pit.
Israel is a Jewish South Africa. It has another generation, two at most. And while I’m @ it, if there’s a god it didn’t give any particular arrangement of genes any particularly piece of earth, and any such claim is unhinged fanaticism.
Bold words. Those who call Israel an “apartheid state” or a “Jewish South Africa” have either never been to Israel or to Apartheid South Africa. It’s garbage. Jews certainly have a historical claim on that piece of land whether you like it or not. And I don’t think they’ll be relinquishing it as easily as you believe… or apparently hope
“Bold” depends on your standard but I’ve been in Israel and Palestine and seen Israeli apartheid with my own eyes. It’s not as pretty as you seem to think. And you can use the bible as a real estate guide all you want but neither I nor the UN will be joining you. Nobody anywhere has claim to anything because of any genetic link real or imagined to anyone 2000 years ago. Period. “Christian” is actually a Viking name, but if I were to sail into Stockholm and claim ownership I would be committed. And I made no claim about Israel “relinquishing easily”, indeed the principal topic of this thread, which I started, is Israeli use of nuclear weapons, which could hardly be so characterized. Perhaps be so bold as to share all this with your pastor today and see if he can come up with a response.
I don’t believe I ever made any claims based on a “genetic link”. Jews have been residing there for 3500 years long before Islam existed. They were sent into exile most recently by the Romans, but Jews have always lived there… unless of course you support the Palestinian revisionists who deny any Jewish history associated with this land. And I’m not sure I understand your reference to Israel’s use of nuclear weapons. They have had nukes for probably over 50 years and I don’t believe they have ever threatened to use them. So before I go to my “pastor” please clarify
The Viking Age lasted 300 years and was more recent than the Roman Empire. Judaism officially originated in present day Iraq. Jews obviously made it to Jerusalem by the time of Christ because that’s where they crucified him. And the Israeli nuclear arsenal hangs over the world in general and the Middle East in particular like a sword of Damocles.
Jews didn’t crucify Christ. Romans did.
Look, I was raised Catholic and have Jesus Christ, Superstar on DVD. And the album. On vinyl. Let’s not argue and bicker over who killed who. Jesus knew too much and had a big mouth. They whacked him. The Romans were the muscle. End of story.
Jesus was a Jew who was executed by the Romans, in the manner reserved to the Romans, and in the manner reserved for the crime of rebellion against rule by the Romans.
Mere details.
“We turn to Rome to sentence Nazareth.
We have no law to put a man to death.
We need him crucified.
It’s all you have to do.
We need him crucified.
It’s all you have to do.”
-Trial Before Pilate 2:1
You understand, I hope, that Jesus Christ Superstar isn’t an historical text?
Hint: The Romans didn’t take orders from Palestine’s Jews. Palestine’s Jews took orders from the Romans. And the ones who didn’t ended up like Jesus.
In point of fact, under Roman occupation local Jewish authorities DID have a “law to put a man to death.” By stoning.
The Romans killed Jesus because the Romans wanted Jesus dead, because Jesus had entered Jerusalem in the manner of a king, removed coins with Caesar’s image on them from the Temple, and proclaimed himself the Messiah (i.e. a priest-king of the Davidic line who was going to kick the Romans out of Judea and restore the Kingdom of God).
You understand, I hope, that Jesus Christ Superstar isn’t an historical text?
Hint: The Romans didn’t take orders from Palestine’s Jews. Palestine’s Jews took orders from the Romans. And the ones who didn’t ended up like Jesus.
In point of fact, under Roman occupation local Jewish authorities DID have a “law to put a man to death.” By stoning.
The Romans killed Jesus because the Romans wanted Jesus dead, because Jesus had entered Jerusalem in the manner of a king, removed coins with Caesar’s image on them from the Temple, and proclaimed himself the Messiah (i.e. a priest-king of the Davidic line who was going to kick the Romans out of Judea and restore the Kingdom of God).
Technically no, Jesus Christ, Superstar is not part of the bible. But more Americans have seen it than have read the bible. Also it’s a great movie.
You clearly have more than a passing cinematic interest in this, and you’ve got me wondering about the actual circumstances of the crucifixion. I understand the historicity of Jesus has been reasonably established, and assuming he was in fact crucified you have to wonder how closely the biblical account matches reality. The Romans were in charge, and I don’t think the Jews practiced crucifixion anyway, so the Romans are obvious heavies, but Jesus wasn’t real popular with the Jewish PTB either. There was plenty of blame to go around. I suppose the top level analysis is they were all doing god’s will. Judas makes this point in the movie.
So to review, this line of discussion originated in Odele’s speculation, perhaps from reading my file, that I “support the Palestinian revisionists who deny any Jewish history associated with this land”. I responded with a dismissive and obvious historical point which is moot anyway because I (and the UN) maintain it makes no difference whose ancestors lived where and when.
Jesus was a Jew who was executed by the Romans, in the manner reserved to the Romans, and in the manner reserved for the crime of rebellion against rule by the Romans.
Jesus was a Jew who was executed by the Romans, in the manner reserved to the Romans, and in the manner reserved for the crime of rebellion against rule by the Romans.
Jews didn’t crucify Christ. Romans did.
Jews didn’t crucify Christ. Romans did.
IsraHell’s goin’ down when Amerikkka does.
In other words, probably in my lifetime.
And that will be a beautiful day.
So. You’re stalking me on AW.
That’s pretty f*cking sick.
Love ya, Ted!
I’m retired. But still a hardworking farmer.
I doubt you know the meaning of “hard work”, and my farm is taxed to the gills.
Get a f*cking life and stop making assumptions about people who properly call you out.
I just don’t want to see Palestinians die because of IsraHell’s intransigence and stupidity
Nobody deserves to die because of the country they were born in.
Iran should say Good Bye to NPT…!