Polish officials told The Wall Street Journal that Poland has sent 240 Soviet-designed T-72 tanks to Ukraine, demonstrating how the US and its NATO allies are escalating military aid to Kyiv.
So far, Poland has given Ukraine about half of its T-72s. To replace them, the US is selling Warsaw 250 Abrams tanks, and the UK has offered to send Poland some British tanks.
The officials said the tanks were sent alongside self-propelled howitzers, Grad truck-mounted rocket launchers, and other Soviet-era military equipment. Poland has emerged as the EU’s strongest supporter of Ukraine against Russia and sent the heavy equipment as other countries, such as Germany and France, were weighing the risk of escalation.
Germany had come under pressure for not sending heavy equipment to Ukraine, and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz had warned of the risk of nuclear war. But Berlin caved under pressure and announced this week it would send Gepard anti-aircraft tanks to the Ukrainians.
Germany is now reportedly considering providing Ukraine with long-range howitzers. The US started sending howitzers to the Ukrainians for the first time earlier in April and is training Ukrainian forces on how to use the weapons. The Pentagon revealed Friday that some of the training is taking place in Germany.
On Thursday, President Biden asked Congress for a new $33 billion aid package for Ukraine, including $20.4 billion for military aid. He said the massive request “begins the transition to longer-term security assistance.”
Those has not been delivered but stand at the border on the railway tracks. You can be 100% sure of their fate once the train start moving…
Indeed, Russia’s going to be hitting supply lines in a big way soon, and they may not limit themselves to targets inside Ukraine.
That would be awesome strike a NATO country and we can finally see what our weapons can do. Russia is having plenty of trouble already. Strike NATO and see what it is like trying to win a war where your enemy has control of the skies.
It is so stupid, the Russians just might try it! The USA didn’t attack Soviet ships suppling weapons to Vietnam so there is plenty of precedent for not broadening the conflict.
I am pretty certain that the air force has a complete battle plan ready to go, with target lists, target locations, probably have all the bombs and missiles they think they will need prepositioned and ready to go.
Yes, there’s a lot of precedent for not interfering. However, taking the precedent of Vietnam, you’re forgetting that the USA did expand the war – to Laos and Cambodia, in quite an extreme bombing campaign. And Ukraine is not an ocean away from Russia, this is a war not just on Russia’s border, but to a large extent fought over disputed territory – Russia considers her own territory at threat.
Would America expand the war, risking the nuclear oblivion of her own cities, over a missile strike on a truck in Bulgaria carrying rocket launchers to Ukraine? I’m sceptical.
Yeah, just “awesome”. Maybe we’ll get to see nukes flying. That would really be awesome.
in 4k!
I relax to the last two segments of Gravity with Sandra Bullock and John Turturro when I get wound up.
The Space dirge is awesome.
It seems that you are still banking on a conventional war. A conventional war might not last more than 15 minutes without going nuclear.
And if nuclear it will be, they might as well make it nuclear from the get go. A few nukes to Poland and the yapping lap dogs might shut everybody up. If it doesnt, then the big guys will start flying in every direction and no more BS writing for us.
Of course, the bastards who caused all this and are betting with somebody else’s money, will be safely flying over the radiation clouds or in deep burrows.
Finland.
Their militaristic man hunting Drones our Spaz Farce are in control of are integrated with Starlink, both are corporations and according to some, like real people with a target on their backs. Not official state warfare, it’s privatized enterprise, an investor’s club. All those things need is a FLIR camera ( BOOTLEG BACKDOOR BLACKMARKET VIA Canada from USA, : controlled military grade equipment) and someone to keep the batteries charged who has a smartphone to communicate with.
And an App.
The Future is here.
One USA military force can lick them ruskies and win this war with a hand tied behind their backs. All one needs is a free hand to enter a kill order.
Finland’s Drones are all over USA policing agencies. I doubt there are any competitors. These things can hunt autonomously.
everything you described there would be defeated by a simple giant EMP burst which a nuke would easily provide
Yes possibly.
but why use just one?
Why not use many?
And why not use them over populated regions?
Get them All?
Why not if it is that easy.
Then we can watch it on the news right?
or in for teevee dramatized reenactments ?
A new Rambo movie: Totally Nuked-out Spun-out Rambo!
The place to nuke are the Spaz Farce uplinks and team centers. Colorado springs is one such place.
You ready to see that pounded ? How many nukes detonated here will it take to permanently change your mound?
yes they would be useful over populated areas. that would surely teach us a lesson in manners.
Plenty of precedent for not broadening the conflict. Are you sh*tting me?
What the f•ck do you think these European nations are doing by sending buttloads of arms to Ukraine?
If ZelBoy would stop begging for arms (dutifully prodded by Amerikkka) and started begging for negotiations, this war might, just might, be resolved.
And anyone who thinks testing new weapons on human beings would count as “awesome”, is either a psychopath or an Israeli.
Just one nation giving another nation weapons, happens all the time. Pooty thought he could smash and grab the Ukraine in a week and if he had pulled it off he likely could keep it. Plan A failed, now he really has no sensible plan B. I wonder how many wounded and mangled Russians there are? How are they going to keep that hidden?
Ukraine has 2x the area of Iraq and the same population, 44 million.
It took NATO (30 countries) 2 months of 24/7 bombing of Yugoslavia to split it up.
It took NATO 1.5 months of 24/7 shock and awe to destroy Iraq before they invaded.
It took NATO 2 months months of 24/7 bombing to destroy Libya and send them to tribalism again except this time no boots on the ground.
Of course, all of the above in compliance with the “rules based new world order” du jour regulations.
If you believe the “Russia would take Ukraine in 2 weeks propaganda” you must believe in the tooth fairy.
I didn’t believe it, but Pootin did as the deployment of his forces in the initial invasion indicated.
I don’t support the US sending weapons to Ukraine, or NATO admitting Sweden and Finland.
But yes, that’s PRECISELY how you avoid “broadening” the conflict. As long as Putin is tied down in the Ukraine fiasco, his only option for doing anything anywhere else is nuclear. And if it ends without a credible claim of victory, looking for a fight elsewhere will be a hard sell too.
As for negotiations, there aren’t really any grounds for them. As long as things are still up in the air, Zelensky can’t really start from any point other than complete Russian withdrawal. And Putin isn’t going to seriously negotiate until/unless he either has LPR/DPR and a land corridor to Crimea secure enough to take withdrawal from those off the table, or he loses there so completely that the war is clearly over anyway (I’d bet on the former, personally).
Even More Awesome?
Finland who makes the goon drones sold to all our policing agencies that are integrated with the 700 little Kamakazi drones we sent is our new version of winning tactically, gets wasted.
A patroller can pop up and with FLIR can target for missiles or other WMDS. 5G LINKS to the Starlink network and a remote Spazz Farce team has eyes and ears to deploy killer drones.
We want this to be a ground war to use our new toys.
I think I got this link here at Antiwar.com.
https://www.truescoopnews.com/newsdetail/russia-vs-elon-musk-putin-govt-declares-space-war-against-billionaire-vows-to-destroy-the-starlink-satellite
I can’t understand you, but for sure everybody is trying out their latest tech on real live ( for now) Russian soldiers. Everybody wants to try their new toys. I feel slightly sorry for the Russian troops. They should shoot their officers, throw down their weapons and go visit their Ukrainian relatives.
Do you know that Finland will
Trains won’t be moving; Russia took out the power transformers of the Ukraine railway network at six locations.
The surplus of ex-Soviet aircraft must have arrived…
Trains are moving and damaged ones constantly being repaired.
Only because Ukraine still has a substantial diesel engine fleet not dependent on electrical substations.
While the diesel fleet can’t replace the electric engines, once the stranded engines are moved off the tracks rail activity can continue at reduced capacity.
Ukraine will have to choose between civilian passenger travel, transporting vital civilian economic goods, and transport of war materiale.
Poland owes Russia a few favors. Katyn forest ring a bell?
Who cares! First have Poland relinquish the Prussian lands they stole in cahoots with the UK after World War 2 then talk to me.
Secondly, the Katyn situation would not have happened if the Polish Army had allied with Russia or just let them pass by on the way to Berlin instead of manning the boarder and fighting the Red Army. Russia was in no mood for Polish BS after years of fighting Germany.
At the time of the Katyn massacre (spring of 1940), not only had Russia not been fighting Germany “for years,” it was Germany’s ally.
Well clutch my pearls!
I feel sorry that your Parents who came here because Finland didn’t want them there and they raised you in their home-schooled nightmare of fascist misogynist nazism here like animals. Too bad you missed getting a real education.
And that you neve got to be around human beings. How sad.
I also saw you a decade ago with your sister and I know what you two did on Prom night.
Are there maybe some pills you ought to be taking?
It’s quite a long time ago, and it was Stalin. Russia is not comprised of godless communists any more, it’s the West that wages war in the name of atheist socialism now.
Well the military tactics of the Russians seem to be about the same. Hey have you heard of the Holodomor? Just as memories were fading along come the Russians again to refresh them.
Holodomor sounds a lot like what the USA is inflicting on Yemen and Afghanistan now with artificial famines caused by sanctions, blockades and robbery as the USA steals Afghanistan’s banking reserves. I don’t think Russia’s done anything like that since the end of communism.
Whataboutism, Our crimes do not excuse their crimes. Oh check out what they did to Grozny and of late to Syria
Whataboutism is the exposure of hypocrisy – Jesus was a big advocate for that.
Gronzy – a city of the Russia federation was taken over by Islamist fundamentalists, what country in the world would fail to respond to that?
Syria – again a country being taken over by alqaeda aligned Islamists. Russia rescued Syria’s secular government from a disastrous collapse of the sort that happened in Somalia, Libya and Afghanistan. The world should be grateful.
Kinzhal meat! How can Poland give up so many tanks?
Easy, Joe Biden promised them new American tanks for free.
… because the Polish Underground Defense with thousands of Septic Tanks are Mired in their own mud.
Ciss-boom-bahhh
But they are expensive, high-tech smart Septic Tanks.
Don’t underestimate the real damage spamming war materiale can cause.
Not free. Paid by Ukrainian flag pin wearing taxpayers.
Mindless lemmings!
“To replace them, the US is selling Warsaw 250 Abrams tanks, ”
DeCamp has it wrong. The US is not selling. The US gives taxpayer supplied aid to Poland with the condition that that “aid” is used to purchase 250 tanks (@$6 million a tank=$1.5billion) which goes to the coffers of Chrysler.
It would be less complicated, less paperwork and more transparent to provide Chrysler with $1.5 billion in welfare and send the tanks to Poland as a gift, courtesy of US taxpayers. This way at least, we could compare to how much goes to social welfare for our citizens vs. corporate welfare and foreign countries to promote the killings.
As an FYI. Chrysler got out of the tank business decades ago. General Dynamics is the manufacturer.
The only winner in the ongoing situation is the US, while Europe will be paying a hefty price for lost trade, higher energy prices, tensions, etc. If there is a major power confrontation, Europe will pay an even higher price unless of course it goes nuclear in which case we will all pay.
What does it mean for Russia to win? It means to castrate Ukraine and ensure a safe border.
What does it mean for the US to win? It means to run Russia out of Ukraine, install NATO in Ukraine and from there continue the smoldering war of attrition against Russia by agitating revolution with the sight on Russia’s riches.
What does it mean for Europe o win? To cease hostilities and have a normal trading relationship with their neighbor.
What Europe has to win vs. what they have to loose does not justify an escalation of the war. I fail to understand how Europe (mainly Germany and France) given the risk/reward analysis fail to take the reins and avoid being coerced by the US.
Euro oligarchs like Soros win, but not any of the European or American people.
Who thinks for Washington? Not the American people.
Russophobic Euro and American Europhile oligarchs tell America where to ‘lead’ Europe.
Ukraine is a European war, made possible by keeping America in, Germany down, and Russia out.
Polish tanks… now all they need are drivers…
Getting rid of junk, so Poland can buy junk US wants to
empty from its warehouses. And money goes to MIC. for new stuff.
🇵🇱 🇺🇦 💪💪
What a terrible waste of perfectly good museum pieces.
Which is where they belong, if not straight scrapped.
Poland Sends Over 200 Soviet Tanks to Ukraine
right then. they will probably have to buy fuel from the russians in order to fight the russians
More old junk from deep storage that was just rusting away. lol
Peace sells, but who’s buying?
Useless. How many times do I have to repeat that absolutely nothing the US and NATO can send to Ukraine (short of tactical nukes) can have any effect on the outcome. The Ukrainians are not capable of using this stuff effectively and most of it will be destroyed either before or as reaching the battlefield. This is a scam to soak money from the US taxpayer and from Ukraine to enrich the MIC.
Older T72’s without modernized targeting are not much good offensively, but in a purely defensive role d They just need to keep their engines off as they make big bright targets at night for Russia’s Helicopter guns ships and their infrared targeting systems.ug in and protected from air strikes they can be useful.