For years, one of the big criticisms of the US reneging on the P5+1 nuclear deal and withdrawing as a party was that the US had lost its seat at the table as a party to enforcement of the deal. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is now trying to find a way to have his cake and eat it too.
Under a new legal argument Pompeo is in the process of putting together, the US will argue that it is still a party to the nuclear deal with Iran, even though the US withdrew from the deal in May 2018 and never provided promised sanction relief. Pompeo would argue that this allows the US to force snapback sanctions on Iran even if everyone else objects.
Pompeo’s plan will argue that President Obama said at the time of the deal that the US wouldn’t need UN support for a snapback, though its almost certain Obama did not envision the US attempting this years after withdrawing from the deal.
This argument almost certainly will fail, and Russia will be assumed to veto any attempt to enforce snapback at the UN. That Pompeo is even trying this reflects just how flimsy the US arguments have gotten, and potentially that even the hawks are seeing that the pullout from the deal has cost the US some flexibility on the nuclear deal.
“The pullout from the deal has cost the US some flexibility on the nuclear deal”?
Pompeo is about as stupid as one can get. Plain and simple the US PULLED OUT of the deal and IMPOSED harsh sanctions on IRAN contrary to everyone one of their committments under the DEAL. Now to say they want in – without providing the sanctions relief they promised is just so STUPID its not even laughable.Is he a man or is he a MOUSE?
Neither. A toad by all definitions.
I agree, Bianca.
A dirty, smelly cowardly TOAD.
it is Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride.
welcome to the New American Century.
You spelled Load wrong
Yes, a dictionary definition of a “contemptible and detestable person.”
“A toad”
Perhaps a cross between a toad and a lizard.
Toads are cool. Pompeo ain’t cool.
Our fat copy of Kim Jong Ill is just a regular American.
Pompeo cannot utter even the first letter of the first word of any speech without prior (mostly indirect) approval from Trump. He is neither man nor mouse. He is a lapdog who knows exactly what his owner’s Iran policy is. He does not even has to ask. He knows the consequences of deviation.
I disagree. Pompeo has his own agenda, which is to maneuver Trump into the war with Iran that the Neocons & Israel (or is that redundant) want.
So what is Trump’s agenda? Just keep destroying them economically until they capitulate? And if they don’t? And what did Trump, or any of his worshippers, think was going to happen when he was promising all of this while he was a candidate? Trump looks good because he just wants to kill silently. Fu**ing wonderful.
And there’s no reason for Trump to have such a deep personal animus with Iran. If it was just about undoing Obama’s deal, he didn’t have to keep ratcheting up the tension or assassinate a general. This is almost all down to Jared Kushner, who openly speaks with contempt toward the Palestinians and is the author of a “negotiated” deal which famously only involved one side’s negotiators. Bibi has Jared’s ear, and Jared has Trump’s brain (along with his daughter’s … well, brains aren’t everything). https://media2.giphy.com/media/26BRujQ23K5VkCbaU/giphy.gif
>>>Now to say they want in – without providing the sanctions relief they promised is just so STUPID its not even laughable.Is he a man or is he a MOUSE?<< What Pompy is saying is ** [they are still a party to the deal and] this allows the US to force snapback sanctions on Iran even if everyone else objects.** A case, as Jason Ditz says, of having your cake and eating it too. Man/mouse/toad? Bianca, a pangolin that spread [p.t.] the fake C19! Just a "snapback": Bianca showed to Knapp a week ago China had revealed their findings within a day of knowing the full analysis (26 Dec first cases; uptothen analysis revealed to WHO and USA by end Dec), so the argument they concealed the disease to harm people is lost.
He is the USA’s top diplomat. what does that tell us?
Wanna recognize this symbol as legit Iranian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Lion_and_Sun_%28Pahlavi_Dynasty%29.svg/735px-Lion_and_Sun_%28Pahlavi_Dynasty%29.svg.png
In one sense, Pompeo is correct: Since the deal was codified as a UN Security Council resolution, the US did not “withdraw” from it, since the only way to do that is to withdraw from the UN itself. The US is in VIOLATION of the deal, which is a different thing altogether.
I hope that our government will submit a resolution. As far as I can tell the only vote which our government can afford to buy is that of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. A few million perhaps in foreign aid?
I think we can start the discussion by getting John Cotton to say that Saint Vincent and the Grenadines support Cuba and Venezuela.
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for you to sell that idea, except the part about Violations.
Oy vay. Gog, yo. Magog. 666 Park of the beast and the name of the beast was Mabus Jarvanka
LOL Is that 666 Park Ave E. NY NY.
Hmm. So, Fat-face Pompass – in one sense – is correct: Since the deal was – as you said – codified as a UN Security resolution, the US didn’t “withdraw” from it, since the only way to do so is to withdraw from the UN itself. The US is certainly in violation of the deal, which is a different thing altogether.
Mike Pompeio is the Hermann Göring “twinner” for the Trump Reich, liepschen:
Trump Reich Inner Circle “twinners”
— “Inside The Trump Reich” —
Jeanine Pirro: Lina Heydrich
Rush Limbaugh: Horst Wessel
Larry Kudlow: Hjalmar Schacht
Rudy Giuilani: Dr. Morell
Hannity: Joseph Goebbels
Alan Dershowitz: William Joyce, (aka “Lord Haw-Haw”)
Mike Pompeio: Hermann Göring
Stephen Miller: Heinrich Himmler
Kelly Ann Conway: Magda Goebbels
Michael Flynn: Albert Speer
Gates: Adolf Eichmann
Papadopoulos: Rudolf Diels
Manafort: Keitel
Allen Weisselberg: Fritz Thyssen
Michael Cohen: Martin Bormann
Felix Sater: Putzi Hanfstaengle
George Nader: Rudolf Hess
Eliot Abrams: Heinrich Hoffmann
Niki Haley: Hanna Reitsch
Eric Prince: Reinhard Heydrich
Matt Whitaker: Max Naumann
Jeff Sessions: Admiral Canaris
William Barr: Admiral Doenitz
Dinesh D’Souza: Leni Riefenstahl
John Bolton: Von Ribbentrop
John Ratcliffe: Walther Funk
Ivanka: Dr. Mengele
Jared Kushner: Leopold von Mildenstein
Robert O’Brien: Sepp Dietrich
Donald Trump Jr.: Fegelein
Melania Trump: Eva Braun
Donald Trump: A. Hitler, aka der fuhrer
I had to upvote you just for the work you must have put in. Plus, it’s accurate as hell.
What it shows more than anything is how one-sided the deal was in the first place, in that there are punishments for Iran should it have violated the deal, and, seemingly, none for the US for walking away from it, nor effective remedies that Iran could pursue. The US set up most of the world’s international organizations and wrote much of the laws, but you know, exceptionalism. (Cue the song: You Are The Only Exception)
Would it not be less expensive the buy the oil than to use our military to steal it?
It would undoubtedly be more ethical.
But then how would the military-industrial complex and its shareholders keep raking in the big bucks?
I think things that I can’t write. They involve people like Pompeo and Dick Cheney. They involve long periods of miserable, painful, torturous….. better stop there. Please Karma, do your thing.
What we really need is a Karma virus.
A Kronervirus that honly hits swedes in their pocketbooks
He does not yet realize that Saint Vincent and the Grenadines is the only UN Security Council member which will vote with us.
Once he realizes that fact he will begin to backpedal.
trump reneged because he is a renegger
To advance your wordplay: Renege–>renegger
he’s not just a narcissist but also a nastycist.
Nastycyst.
He’s a repeat offender I repeat he will offend again
Pompeo “we lie, we steal, we cheat” is the worst diplomat…and the most stupid…..ever.
Albright could give him a run for his money… And Clinton still reigns supreme as “WORST EVER..”
you got a point, no one comes close to Clinton`s evilness “we came, we saw, he died…. hahaha”, or Albright`s 500 000 iraqi children’s death was worth the sanctions.
So far.
Pompeeo is sounding very Israeli today.
It is hard to know who or what is driving this clown but my guess is that he is lap dog of some very vicious anti-iran “think” tanks with their very vicious zionist oligarch backers; thus as is reported, he is positioning for a pres run in 2024 (God help us and the world).
Obviously, this is wild speculation on my part but he is very close to FDD, one of the most vicious anti-irans.
Bolton was clear and now Hook is clear that the us is out of the agreement! Snap backs will not work.
*US is part of the nuke deal even when it’s not.
*We are a market-based economy even when we are not.
*We are the exceptional nation no matter what.
Gotta love it 🙁
Can’t trust them Eye-Rain-ians to keep their word and stick to a deal! They hate us and everything we represent. We gotta nuke ’em before they can nuke us. Uncivilized basterds think they gonna one-up us! Hah, we nuked two cities awready back in Dubya Dubya 2. Showed everyone Who’s The Boss, Tony Danza, that’s who… huh… done lost mah train o’ thought. MAGA!
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(A)ttached to ventilators
* [formerly (M)any (A)ttorneys (G)ot (A)rrested]
By the novel covid’s caseload flood
White flag to AIPAC’s sleaze un-furled
Here the embattled Trump-tards stood,
The KKKreepiest douchies in the world
“Don’t be stupid
Be a smarty
Find some dirt
For Avenatti”.
– from Mel Brock romp “Springtime for Mueller”
The US overwhelming agreed to the deal.
“On 22 May 2015 President Obama signed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015 into law; this legislation passed by the Senate in a 98-1 vote and the House in a 400-25 vote, and was approved by Obama on 22 May 2015.”
Then president Trump comes into office and unilaterally withdraws. Congress rather than sanction the president goes along with it and writes crazy making policy into stone by enacting laws contrary to the deal (Sanctions etc etc) .
The abuse that occurs in international affairs with a narcissist leader is
merciless and relentless. Narcissistic leaders attempt to brainwash other nations. They use all different kinds of methods of coercion in order to negotiate. They threaten, degrade, shift blame, criticize, manipulate, verbally assault, dominate, blackmail, withdraw, withhold funds and wildly vary tariffs and import duties, create ill understood sanctions and gaslight their victims.
Then Pompeo tells the victim (the world) we did not try to make you crazy, disregard international agreements and laws, Europe and Iran failed to live up to their side of the agreement. It is all their fault.
As far as I remember Clinton, Bush Junior and Obama were the same, they just kept their public persona in line with their self-generated Hollywood version of a president.
With Trump, all of it is out and in the open. The American public will either approve it — or condemn it. If approved, you know what follows. All the presidents in the future would adopt the nasty behavior towards the world — indeed towards anyone that in the whim they dislike — their presidential obligation.
The lows are coming, unless the world stops waiting for United States to change its ways and become a responsible global citizen.
There could be only one way the attitude will change. The economic downturn will millions unemployed, combined with the inability to wage war to shift the blame.
The will and the desire is there to wage a serious war — primary target still being Iran — but the outcome is less certain. We are not supported in this by anyone. Not even — or especially not by Gulf. After unsuccessfully pulling of tanker sabotage all with grainy videos — the region just ignored it. After adding some missile power to Houthi drones, Saudis were not in a rush to go to war. All fell flat.
US cannot go to war with Iran without either Iraq or Gulf states fronting it. At present all unlikely. Gulf states cannot risk the smallest of war damage, as their basic infrastructure for sustaining life in that climate is vulnerable. Above the ground water system, electrical grids would be the first and indefensible target rendering life itself unsupportable. Those countries cannot afford to throw stones.
Going alone? Risky, as allies may stay out. Even if they join, their combined military strength is insufficient to keep them safe. Starting a war with Russia and China is not feasible.
Thus here we are. Pompous, in his toady fashion is exploring means of undermining war resistance among allies , and in a highly predictable fashion Trump is cozying up to Russia for the purposes of undermining China. It was just the opposite not that ling time ago.
It has been for a while now that US and Europeans have been kept from interfering—called mediating — in regional problems. Azerbaijan and Armenia, India and Pakistan, Syria, and now it looks like there is a game afoot between Saudis and Emirates being supposedly on the opposite sides in Yemen conflict. US has little leverage when regional actors act as enemies, with US not in a position to alienate either.
The shift is there, the fury and arrogance getting louder and bolder, but increasingly toothless.
It really is inexplicable, four in a row. We have a wonderful system of government and great people. Why are we undermining the very system and principals that made us respected, strong and loved throughout most of the world? Yes there is some bad bath water to get rid of, but why are we putting so much effort into killing the baby?
“We have a wonderful system of government”
Tell that to the marines!! and to the people on the aircraft carriers!!
Hammers Chisels and Screwdrivers are wonderful tools and in the hands of loving and skilled craftsmen they can create beautiful and useful things.
You should use the past tense there. You had a wonderful system of government until it became completely corrupted. And the US certainly isn’t loved throughout most of the world anymore.
The system is still good, but we have lost the skill and the will to use it.
It’s not inexplicable. It’s down to two things: year-long presidential campaigns cost a ton of money. Campaigns can use money from anonymous donors including corporations in the form of PACs and SuperPacs. Certain people, DJT among them, give almost equally to both parties, so whoever wins, everyone else who isn’t a corporation or billionnaire loses. Make that three things: only two “important” parties and many hurdles to the creation of a third party (Sanders was an independet before). A two-party system encourages the binary thinking mindset on display in the MSM (FOX is part of the MSM, despite its protests; if anything FOX moved CNN leftwards in response and created MSNBC as its fun house mirror image).
“We have a wonderful system of government and great people.”
In my opinion, you are partially correct: We have a great people but there is no “government” (state) that can ever be wonderful. The state by its very nature (employing violence in protection of its monopoly) is inherently constructed to be the oppressor of the people, both foreign and domestic.
Any perceived threat to the growth of the state is met with a savage, brutal response (e.g. the travails of Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Chelsea Manning). Perpetual warfare is the one thing that makes the growth of the state justifiable to many of the deceived citizens, therefore it is the first resort of the state, which must grow in order to survive.
As long as there are states, there will be wars, and if there were no states, there could be no wars, as there is no freely chosen demand for aggressive violence.
I don’t think it really matters what the “American public” wants or doesn’t want. The government does whatever benefits the military-industrial complex and its shareholders. Do you think Americans really want their government to spend $732 billion dollars on “defense” while they are going hungry, losing their homes and doing without healthcare? No, of course they don’t, but there’s not much they can do about it. And electing a Democrat instead of a Republican probably won’t change anything.
“And electing a Democrat instead of a Republican
probablycertainly won’t change anything.”WTI Crude shed another 20% this morn.
Stabile CoVfefe was no frien’ to the oil patch .
Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif has called on the US secretary of state “stop dreaming” amid reports that the US was planning to make the convoluted legal case to the UN that Washington was still part of the JCPOA for the purposes of applying new sanctions against Iran.
“2 years ago, @SecPompeo and his bossed declared ‘CEASING US participation’ in the JCPOA, dreaming that their ‘maximum pressure’ would bring Iran to its knees. Given that policy’s abject failure, he now wants to be a JCPOA participant. Stop dreaming: the Iranian Nation always decides its destiny,”
As a dispassionate observer I should counsel the Iranian Foreign Minister to be patient and await these treacherous Trump Reich CoVfefe Super-Spreaders to, um , bug out. Just wait ’em out.
Now, post Trump, terror sponsor pariah states Saudi Arabia and Israel will no longer benefit from swirling ceremonial scimitars with our “president” nor will Israel’s Mossad have to keep loading up on pedo-Isle Jeff Epstein/Ghislaine Maxwell-produced kompromat to keep our pedo-friendly leaders under their deviant control.
Benedict Donald prolly won’t be around long. Kismet, roit??
The USA wants to be in charge even though it often withdraws from deals and often does not even join them (eg the ICC). It ignores international law and yet forces others to follow its lead.
So the US pulled out of the deal but then when they think it’s to their advantage to be in it they claim they didn’t really pull out. What a bunch of liars. I don’t think very many countries trust the US anymore, and they are right not to.
Blah-blah-blah… I wonder when the rest of the world is going to decide that they’ve had enough of the U. S. thinking that they’re in charge of everything, calling ALL the shots, telling everyone else what they can and can’t do, but doing whatever they want? I mean talk about a collection of nutless, cowardly pussies running ALL the other countries. You people in every other country in the world should not only be embarrassed, you should be damned ashamed of your leaders AND yourselves.
The worst part about being an American is knowing that ALL our politicians in Washington D. C. know what Nutty-yahud’s penis tastes like.
He’s had enough cake. Let him eat shit.
The U.S. should set aside for the duration of the pandemic these draconian Iran sanctions that epitomize the malignant ignorance of the Trump/Netanyahu AIPAC-financed Iran epiphanies. F Bibi, Sheldon, and F Benedict Donald and his belarussian teen tinklerinas.
Israel is an outlaw state. The only certifiably “Orl Korreckt” thing to do with Israel would be similarly comprehensive “BDS” sanctions ie rigorous and impermeable such are now applied against Tehran. With friends like Israel, who needs enemies??
But our God is a just and merciful God. Only an idiot would try and leverage or monetize a pandemic to obtain some near-term gain but that is what our degenerate self-evidently incapacitated “President” does at every covid-19 task force press conference.
Kindness. Love. This is overdue with respect to US / Iran relations because the people at “street-level” get along great. The toxic Israeli flaunting of the terms of UN resolution 2334 necessitate removing these ill-advised sanctions against Iran for at least 5-year moratorium.