It’s seemingly a straightforward sequence of events – Israeli troops lined up along the Gaza border, firing machine guns into the strip at unarmed protesters, and scores of those protesters were killed, the US is desperate to portray it as a “propaganda” plot by Hamas.
The White House portrayed themselves as wholly comfortable with Israel’s actions, saying they totally absolve Israel of any responsibility for all of those people they killed. Spokesman Raj Shah insisted the protests were Hamas’ fault, and the deaths are, too.
Shah further rejected reporter suggestions that Israel should show any sort of restraint, saying Hamas is responsible for whatever happens. He said Israel has an absolute right to engage in “self defense” against the protesters.
Historically the US would issue some vague call for all sides to exercise restraint in the face of a large death toll. White House officials, however, seem angered that the massacre has taken attention away from their new Jerusalem embassy, and seem determined to be entirely okay with whatever Israel does in response to the dissent.
If we started shooting people up who tried to cross our border en mass the illegal immigration would disappear in days.
Who’s this “we?”
How did they happen to come into possession of an imaginary line on the ground?
And if they did what you think it would take (which would involve assigning every last US soldier, sailor, airman and Marine, plus every last law enforcement officer in the country to absolutely, positively nothing else but shooting people who try to cross that line, plus a massive conscription program, to cover the 95,500 miles of US border and coastline), what makes you think that the effects wouldn’t be worse than the current non-problem?
Thomas, I agree with your response. Likewise, I’m surprised the Philadelphia Inquirer had the balls to put this current Israeli massacre on the Front Page of today’s paper.
May God have mercy on your soul.
I do not agree with Thomas if a country does not have a border you do not have a country I believe Hamas is shooting its own people around the Israeli border that they have inticed to storm the Israeli border . All to gain sympathy for the Palestine cause .
Israel has declined to declare its borders. It just wants them to be wherever it claims they are at any given moment.
By your logic, there were no countries prior to 1648, when the concept of national sovereignty with “borders” was implemented by the Peace of Westphalia. Prior to that in e.g. Europe, small holdings by liege lords created constantly shifting notions of what a “country” was. One week the nobles in an area might be “English,” the next week they might be “French.”
Even with declared borders, the United States managed until the 1950s without placing much stock on the importance of controlling who crossed those borders.
Too much evidence to the contrary. You can’t get around shooting unarmed protesters. That’s a war crime in any nation.
The IDF are committing cold blooded murder with the endorsement of the Knesset minus Arab/Muslim representatives. Hamas has never targeted, or put their civilian population in harms way. What you have swallowed is the sick sociopathic lies from the Zionist menace…who does not respect human rights, children, or life in general. You have no proof of any Hamas involvement here. Period.
Eric, that is ridiculous. Nobody, not even Netanyahu claims anything like that. Israel said they would kill protesters, and they’re doing it. They’ve turned into monsters. Blaming Hamas for everything is what Israel does. Don’t fall for it.
Eric – you are a total idiot. What you “believe” and what the facts actually support are two entirely different worlds. You’re also a dipshit.
if we arbitrarily decided that the border now exist around your house, and when you try to leave your house we shoot you in self defense you would also disappear.
well – f-u for the stupid comment.
If there is heaven, dead Palestinians are now a lot better off than living in a kind of earthly hell.
Where are the reasonable Israelis? Are they all in full-blown bloodlust? Why has the world not heard from the Israelis disgusted by what their government/military is doing? Surely, surely there must be some? Surely.
The only thing you can do with a rabid dog is to put it down.
Hanging out with the reasonable Americans. Watching TV.
The Israelis are never responsible for any of their actions. Always someone else’s fault whenever Israel goes on a killing spree.
That’s according to their lies, America Firster, Israel’s IDF and its gov’t are guilty as sin for this horrific killing spree, nobody else.
The Gaza protesters posed NO danger to Israel, all they wanted was freedom and better living conditions.
Not even the Apartheid regimes in South Africa treated the Black population so badly, as Israel”s been treating the Palestinians. That leaves the former USSR under Lenin and Stalin, China under Mao, Cambodia under Pol Pot, and Romania under Ceaucescu.
murdered while on their own side of the border.
It’s to late the Palestinians will NEVER be allowed to return or live in the land it once claimed as it’s own. Ukrainians that once called the Pro-Russian occupied land that, bordered Russia that are Pro-Ukrainian are also realizing there land has been seized and is now occupied. The Russians are using the same argument as the Israelis claiming historically it was there’s first and, they have a right to defend its Russian speaking people against aggression. I guess when it’s Russians and it’s proxies,Wagner Group etc it’s not a problem but,when it’s Israel killing Palestinians it’s a travesty. “Selective Empathy ” is what it’s really called, murder is murder and both the Russians that are occupying Ukraine and the Israelis occupying Palestinian are wrong for it. See how turning a blind eye to one nation’s bloody invasions,for the purpose of its interests, opens the door for others to do the same? Stop being “Selective “and call EVERYONE out when they do it not just Israel.
Horseshit. You’re on here regularly screeching for more carnage and catastrophe, as long as it’s people you identify with doing the killing. If this was happening in Syria, you’d be predictably calling for Assad’s head and a US invasion. You think this act has anyone fooled, but yourself.
Grow up.
WOW…I point out the hypocrisy of the people that give nations they support that, are doing the same thing and, criticize Israel for murdering Palestinians and ,your response is to try and flip my argument against me and criticize my reaction. Please spare the “Selective Outrage “when you have the courage to say what Russia is doing in Ukraine is as wrong as what Israel is doing in Palestine maybe you’ll have a some credibility until then, you’re just a hypocrite that can’t handle the truth. GROW UP.
What is Russia doing in Ukraine? (Note: The question is not “what is Russia doing in places that used to be part of Ukraine but seceded four years ago and haven’t been part of Ukraine since then?”)
What are the Israelis doing in Palestine (Note: The question is not “what are the Israelis doing in places that Palestinians claim as there own but,have been seized from them by a nation named Israel claiming historically ,it was there’s first and hasn’t been Palestine’s since”?) See how that works Mr.Knapp? O…And a little insight ,the only other country in the world that agrees with you is Russia ,the proof is the fact that the rest of the civilized world has sanctioned them for its involvement in Ukraine. I know you love conspiracy theories and” alternative facts ” but , I deal in reality not my own opinions that are anything but.
I know of people who dispute the LEGITIMACY of the Donetsk/Luhansk/Crimea secessions from Ukraine, and that’s certainly arguable.
I don’t know of anyone who denies the FACT of those secessions.
Simply claiming that Russia has invaded Ukraine without dealing with the FACT of those secessions in some way is dishonest.
You seem to think that my position vis a vis Israel and Palestine is something other than what it is. Which is understandable given that most commenters here push positions that are not, in fact, my own. On the other hand, maybe not so understandable, since it is the equivalent of someone coming here and assuming I agree with YOUR comments.
As far as who is antiwar and who is not, I am antiwar, completely, without exception. I do not support the Russian, Iranian, North Korean, Chinese, or Syrian regimes, or the Taliban, or the Islamic State or the state of Palestine any more than I support the US regime, Israeli regime, NATO, et al. A pox on all states and on all their acts. Everything the state has it has stolen and everything it says is a lie.
Thomas, his argument is simply designed to deflect the main point. If you look at these people, they all want to make a “two wrongs makes a right” argument. “Russia is bad, therefore why can’t Israel”. He could care less about the Ukrainians. It’s just a noise machine.
To you it’s just noise the rest of the world calls it the truth.
Ha. “What is truth?” says Pilate.
Truth something based on facts,reality, you know actual events ,that actually took place.
How this addresses international objections to Israel’s shooting of
nearly two thousand unarmed protesters inside Gaza is a mystery. As is
any possible justification for Israel’s refusal to permit medical
treatment for those they’ve shot and gassed.
Perhaps you’d care to explain how the existence of an issue between Russia and the west wrt Ukraine relieves Israel of its obligations to abstain from war crimes and crimes against humanity.
If you give one nation a pass for invading and occupying a weaker nation’s country, it allows other more powerful nations to do the same. Very simple.
Because you were comparing apples and elephants. Even a moron like you should be able to discern that.
No because I was pointing out the double standard of how antiwar Zombies give nations they support a pass for doing the same thing. Over 10,000 people have been killed over the Ukrainian conflict I’ve never once heard you comment on the suffering it’s inflicted. You know why because, you’re not really against war but, you’re really against America and its allies interests. The proof is in the pudding now ,go troll someone else.
I’m against shooting unarmed protesters no matter who is doing the shooting. This isn’t comparable to Ukraine no matter how hard you want it to be.
Un -armed protesters where shot during the “Maiden Demonstrations” in Kiev…Fact…
You mean during the coup we arranged? And during which the “snipers” were shooting at both the rioters and police?
You mean during the uprising by the Ukrainian people that ,overthrew the corrupt Pro-Russian president because ,he took the Russian bailout instead of listening to his people that ,wanted to join the European Union and out of Russia’s sphere of influence? I deal in reality not conspiracy theories. Where did the corrupt Pro -Russian president of Ukraine flee to because, the United Nations Security Council held a meeting over the shooting of un-armed protesters he ordered to be shot,during the Maiden Demonstrations? He fled to Russia…Fact….
The point being that the Ukraine situation isn’t comparable to what’s going on in Gaza. You can ignore the US involvement and Victoria Nuland’s “F**k the EU” comment or her endorsing our selection to rule Ukraine all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that we spent billions on overthrowing a legitimately elected government. But if you’re going to compare anywhere someone unarmed gets killed as being the same as what happened in Ukraine you might as well include what happened at Kent State in the same vein. Stop grasping.
You’re the one grasping trying to figure out a way to give another country a pass on doing the same thing Israel did.Murder is murder no matter who it is. You can ignore the fact that the Ukrainian people wanted to join the European Union and ,out of Russia’s sphere of influence, and the fact that the Ukrainian Pro -Russian president took the Russian bailout Putin offered instead. This set off the protests.Who else wouldn’t want Ukraine to join the European Union and in time NATO? What country would benefit from Ukraine being denied access into NATO? The answer is Russia. Get it together ,I deal in facts not conspiracy theories!!! Now go troll someone else.
Again you don’t address what I said. The comparisons aren’t valid. No where in Ukraine is the situation similar to the situation in Gaza. If you’re going to use murder as the common denominator then you would have to compare Chicago to Ukraine. And you admitted yourself that the pro Russian puppet took Putin’s offer instead of the EU’s which set off the riots. How is that similar to the outdoor prison that is Gaza and the shooting of the unarmed prisoners that make up the refugee population?
I’ve only repeated the same thing over and over addressing what you asked. ONE MORE TIME IN ALL CAPS -IF YOU GIVE ONE NATION THAT’S MORE POWERFUL THAN, ANOTHER NATION A PASS ON INVADING ANOTHER NATION, THIS WILL OPEN THE DOOR FOR IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. Simple enough.
Man you’re dense. I keep saying the comparisons between what is happening on the border between Israel and the outdoor prison of Gaza doesn’t resemble what is happening in Ukraine. You come back with IF YOU GIVE ONE NATION THAT’S MORE POWERFUL blah blah blah. Which is not what happened or is the reason for what is now happening between Israel and the outdoor prison of Gaza. That was the point I was trying to make all along but you can’t get that thru your thick head.
You outdid yourself. And that’s hard to do.
The Russians are responsible for their own war crimes. And the Israelis are responsible for gunning down unarmed protesters. Two wrongs never make a right, ya know?
I do know.
Unbelievable! They’ve all lost their minds. It means Americans now wear this blood on their hands the same as the soldiers pulling the triggers. This blood does not wash off. God help us all.
The blood is on the Palestine leadership Hamas a terrorist organization that sends innocent Arab Muslims to their deaths as Martyrs for Islam .. If the IDF doesn’t kill them Hamas will help to get the death toll numbers up by shooting more martyrs themselves to make headlines . Just like the fake gas attack in Syria
The blood, and guilt rests with the criminal IDF, Knesset, and people like YOU. Come on simple one…admit that you enjoy seeing “those bad” Palestinians getting gunned down. You are the problem, as are the nitwits like you who remain completely uninformed, and brazenly stupid to the core….
Yeah, well I believe that about as much as I believe in the tooth fairy. If that was true, the Zion would be a nation of idiots to fall for that, eh?
Eric – you’re unbelievably stupid. By your logic and ridiculous comments – if I shoot you, it would be your fault. What a ignorant moron you truly are.
People like this trite schmuck Eric should be dragged in front of the IDF, and kneel before his blood soaked masters. Puta.
100 years of residence of two peoples on a narrow strip of land proved that Jews and Arabs can not and should not live in one country. Every nation must live in its own country.
This is the essence of the UN decision on the partition of Palestine.
ALL Jews were expelled from the Gaza Strip and from areas A and B.
It’s time to ALL 6 million Arabs of Palestine to obtain the citizenship of the Palestinian National Autonomy.
Only then will begin economical, political and physical separation between Jews and Arabs. Without this, peace in Palestine is impossible.
my comment was the truth and if you won’t allow the truth to be said Muslims will eventually take over the world
You are stunningly stupid. You’re like an ignorant parrot – endlessly repeating what has been spoon fed to you from some oddball inaccurate source. The truth is – you’re a total idiot. You’ve lost all mental capacity to think for yourself. You support really strange and inaccurate claims. And you approve of extreme violence against unarmed peoples. This makes you stupidly dangerous. Keep all this in mind as the world turns against people like you.
It is impossible with your plan too because the Arabs want the Jews gone from all land in Palestine .. Muslims believe any land ever occupied by Muslims has to be occupied by Muslims forever That belief does not leave much room for Jews or anyone else .
“The Arabs” don’t want anything in particular. And Muslims start disagreeing with each other on what they believe before they’ve finished uttering the first clause of the shahada.
Once again, you are resorting to collective characterizations of the same general class as “Mexicans are lazy” and “black people love fried chicken.”
So the Palestinians in the the land called Gaza (because of course they put themselves there as it was their own fault to own and occupy the land the Jewish Semites wanted for themselves) just walked into those bullets and thus shot themselves.
A disgraceful fucken slaughter. Wholly without justification. Even in a bar fight one cannot use excessive or unreasonable force. Stones against military grade weapons. Absolutely sickening murder. Those who supplied the armaments are as guilty as those who are using them. International arms dealing is a crime against humanity and should be ground to a halt now. Every politician who permitted, and/or authorized, or voted for the sales/give-away should be in jail along with the sleaze buckets who design them and those who sell them
So let me get this straight. If I shoot my neighbors on the other side of my barbed wire fence because they’re “protesting” something I did – like maybe coveting their land or objecting to their even being there – it’s not my fault? It’s now “self defense”? That is so fucking cool! I didn’t know that this sort of shit actually works! Is there any limit to the number of bodies I can stack up? None? Whoa… hold me back! Time to get busy and find something for them to protest!