What a difference a week makes.
Last weekend, Russia called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council over a US airstrike in Syria which killed 83 soldiers. US officials were apoplectic, spending the entirety of the brief meeting railing against Russia for daring to call a meeting at all.
This weekend, however, it was America’s turn to call its own emergency meeting on Syria, with an eye toward blaming Russia for everything that’s gone wrong over the last few days. US Envoy Samantha Power’s claims last week that such meetings are just “a diversion from what is happening on the ground” appear long forgotten.
Instead, Power spent this meeting furiously railing at “Russian barbarism,” insisting that Russia’s operations against the Nusra Front cannot be considered “counter-terrorism” and reiterating US insistence that Russia was to blame for last week’s destruction of a humanitarian convoy, which US officials insisted would be the case even if Russia didn’t actually do it.
Power went on to insist that Russia is “abusing” its position as a permanent member of the UN Security Council in carrying out airstrikes in Syria that have killed civilians. Power and her British counterpart, both representing permanent members of the UN Security Council who have also killed civilians in Syria airstrikes, insisted that the war was at this point Russia’s fault.
Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin warned he believes that the peace process in Syria is “almost an impossible task now,” while Syria’s Bashar Ja’afari, who spoke after Western officials all stormed out, insisted that the political solution to the Syrian Civil War required fighting terrorist groups like Nusra, which is was a long-time affiliate of al-Qaeda, and retains close, if informal, ties to the organization.
This appeared to be the joint US-Russia plan just a couple of weeks ago, with both agreeing to a weeklong ceasefire leading to joint attacks on Nusra. The bungling US attack on Syrian troops, however, sparked tensions, and the Obama Administration was so incensed by Russia’s criticism, the joint operations were abandoned before they began, instead demanding Russia and Syria unilaterally ground all warplanes in the country.
The US subsequently blamed Russia for not complying with their demands, while Russia insisted that the US and its allies had convinced the rebels of the necessity of a military solution, which meant many were never fully on board with the ceasefire, and were eager to scrap it.
americans only lie when they speak.
It seems that Jason Ditz alone is trying to reclaim the reputation of this site. All the rest are either wrapped up in their libertarian nonsense or have been taken in by the great faker, Trump.
I would say that Jason needs to move on to a site where his talent for truthfulness and his great knowledge and intuition could be put to better use, except that he would be allowing the crazies to take over this one completely. How sad that this site which did once have an honest antiwar agenda back in the late 90’s has now turned into the enemy of those who honestly seek peace in the world.
Jason knows that Obama has attempted to be on the side of right but he also knows that the odds are too high in the US for decency to win out. Perhaps things can improve after Obama is gone and racist hate has no target anymore. Just in time for a rabid warmonger or a Psychopath to take over.
luv from Canada.
I doubt that Jason is an idiot.
He’s not and you may have noticed that time after time he’s subtly on the side of Obama. This one was another example. It seems that Jason’s thinking isn’t tainted by racist hate for Obama. I would suggest that he knows that the US will accelerate it’s warring efforts once again with the next president. The only thing that has changed under Obama is that he has made it almost impossible for your country to complete it’s planned conquest of Syria and Iran because of Obama snookering his own country by allowing Russia to be empowered on the world scene. There’s the reason why Americans need to hate Obama! The US is now in a position in which it is risking nuclear war if it tries for all the marbles. That’s why we both understand why the prospect of Trump is so scary.
The basic premise Thomas: If Americans had of began to empower Obama, as opposed to hating him because of his skin colour, the antiwar agenda would be far, far advanced from what currently exists. If your antiwar sentiments are as important to you as your libertarian agenda then you would acknowledge that. Show us that is the case. Maybe there’s still time to stop the inevitable that is coming with either Trump or Clinton. And that has nothing to do with the other 2 also-rans.
Yes, Americans hated Obama because of his skin color, so much that they elected him president. Twice. Over lily-white opponents.
There’s not enough facepalm in the world to describe your idiocy on this particular subject.
Stop pretending that half of the voters in the US electorate didn’t vote for Obama and that was mostly the southern half who are rabid racists who have never gotten over their civil war loss.
The rest of the world knows that truth Thomas so why is it taking you so long? Are you one of them?
Someone who thinks that racism is more prevalent in the southern US than in the rest of it is someone who’s confessing to not knowing anything about the US. When racism manifests in the south it tends to be more visible and in your face, but if I had to bet on percentages, I’d bet more Massachusettsians than Mississippians are racists.
But not nearly as many of either as Canadians like you, whose excuse for Obama being a warmonger is that the people who elected him hate him because he’s black.
Thomas, you’re absolutely correct. Bigotry and racism are not confined to a specific region. Myself, having lived in the South, and North, observed racism is more overt in the South, compared to the ‘closet’ bigots in the North.
Years ago I attended an office party for engineers and designers at the crook outfit known as Louis Berger. There was an engineer from Boston I knew, who claimed to be a ‘liberal’. However, after a few drinks, this ‘liberal’ sounded more like Strom Thurmond than Bobby Kennedy.
Thomas,
What does it take to get Don permanently blocked from posting? Really. Enough is enough.
Jeff,
There are two ways for Don to get blocked.
One is for him to break the rules, in which case I’ll ban him.
Another is for someone to go whining behind my back to my boss that mean old Don hurt their widdew feewings.
The former has never happened.
Historically, the US is known for wanton targeting. People in Normandy are still wondering why entire villages were levelled in 1945, when no German targets were around…. Even the Brits complained about the US indiscriminate bombings during the Iraq war.
Add to that the complete indifference to the Saudis murdering civilians in Yemen, and to the plight of the Palestinians, among other things….And the civil rights problems at home. The US has lost all credibility on the international stage when it comes to human rights.
At this point, it will take an act of god to restore confidence in the good will and word of the United States.
Your god is a fairy tale and doesn’t exist. And that’s what makes the US so dangerous to the rest of the world’s people. Their faith in a non-existent sky fairy who will come to the rescue as a last resort. When in reality, that is a false hope and that leaves no moderating factor to save the world.
At least try to start thinking in terms of some ‘reality’ to come to the rescue.
I am an atheist. I was using a rather common expression.
Here’s some reading for you on the US carpet bombing of Normandy.
http://broom02.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Bombing%20of%20Normandy&item_type=topic
What would maybe be the best thing to see is the US push Putin (Russia) to the point at which Putin needs to take a firm stand. He would know he’s safe in doing that because MAD will continue to deter the US from allout aggression on a world scale, just as it has saved the world from US led world war since the invent of the atomic bomb and the Soviets obtaining that deterrent.
The Russians aren’t coming and now we know they never were. The US is and has been with 37 US led wars of aggression since WW2 alone. Even a few Americans aren’t fooled anymore! But sadly, just a few.
Right the Russians aren’t coming because there are so many socialist communists already in both United States and Canada . The Russians don’t want to get contaminated with communism again
a few Americans aren’t fooled anymore! But sadly, just a few…
G, you make a good point. A few Americans, like myself, who
see the corrupt USG establishment for what it really is, are
marginalized, or labeled ‘conspiracy’ theorists.
I attended the recent Democratic Convention in Philadelphia,
the so-called ‘City of Brotherly Love’, with several veterans
from Bush’s phony wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our intent
was to voice our concerns about the USG’s endless wars that
are destroying the planet.
Needless to say the corporate media wanted nothing to do with
anyone who didn’t tow the Clinton line. However, KPFA Radio did
give (us) a few moments of their time.
Both parties are corrupt, and couldn’t give a damn about the
average USG citizen. Before the DNC convention started, the
homeless in the area were rounded up and dispatched to other
locations. I’m sure the Repugs did the same in Cleveland.
Like I said EME, a few, and a very few. Foreign policy won’t be debated tonight because Trump knows that he would get a negative reaction from the country if he said anything against Clinton’s warmongering. And besides, he needn’t ever bother because he would be only reversing himself on anything he’s already said anyway. He’s not antiwar. He represents the looming danger of accelerated US wars of aggression throughout the world. He may also represent the end of the MAD factor that has saved the world since WW2. That’s what he means when he says he’ll make America great again.
No body stopped Clinton from destroying Yugoslavia ,Than Bush attacked Iraq and Afghanistan .So Obama went after Egypt Libya Ukraine and Syria . Only difference Russia is feeling stronger now . All this U.S. aggression hurt all these countries , Many people we killed , many refugees were created . absolutely no benefit to anyone .
Obama is lying. He was the one who hit that convoy.
So let me get this straight America should pull out of Syria let Russia and Syria bomb the Syrian population to a pulp let them test there new bombs and military hardware on the hospitals babies ambulances etc…Thats your plan??? And the U.S is the aggressor look I understand y’all hate my country and all the freedom we have we even have the freedom to criticize our leaders and to protest and publish our distaste for some of the things they’re doing we have that FREEDOM in our country but how about Russia aren’t the people who fall out of favor there punished by having there assets seized our on the case of one of it’s outspoken critic’s of the Kremlin a former prime minister of Russia shot down in the street our in the case of the former richest man of Russia have your company seized and given to the government.I swear since y’all hate America so much maybe you should go move to Russia or Syria maybe eastern Aleppo walk a mile in there population’s shoes before you start showering there evil government with praise.I mean honestly it’s easy to sit behind a computer and spew out a million conspiracy theories and comfort the enemy with praise while you sit in a country our veterans gave there lives for so people like you could in turn return the favor by bashing it…Now try going to Russia or China and do the same thing but don’t forget Russia’s new law all outside press must register as a foreign agent..Anti-war more like Anti-America forum…Enjoy your freedom traitors just remember it wasn’t free…USA
“So let me get this straight America should pull out of Syria let Russia and Syria bomb the Syrian population to a pulp let them test there new bombs and military hardware on the hospitals babies ambulances etc”
OK, I’m going to take you at your word and assume that you really DO want to get things straight and aren’t just talking smack.
The US and Russia and everyone else should stop bombing babies, hospitals, etc. in Syria.
Since most people commenting here are Americans, most of them are going to focus on what the US should do, especially since the US warmongers expect Americans to foot the bill for the baby-killing.
Does that clear things up a little?
Due to deficit spending and inflationary means to fund the baby killing, it is more accurate to say they expect our children and our children’s children to fund the baby killing. Morbid and disgusting but true.
Clearly Thomas, it’s the US that is attempting to gain in Syria and so it only makes sense that the baby killing, which is a consequence of your country’s wars should be paid for by the US.
And you know as well as I, or anyone else who is informed on the situation, that Russia wouldn’t be bombing in Syria if it wasn’t for the US attempting to assert complete domination and control over the entire ME oil rich countries.
No. Iif America pulls out of Syria there is no one to pay and provide the arms to the Jihadist. The war ends. America abandons its paramilitaries.
Your idea of freedom, Eagle, is to attack and have wars of aggression against other innocent countries, Large numbers of people get killed. The economy is taken over..
Hospitals, babies, ambulances? You’ve got the propaganda talking points down pat at least. And it’s just like the Iraq war never happened and the US is totally guilt free.
Sadly, you’re in the majority in the US now Eagle, or would quickly be if the next president decided to go to war against Syria to complete the PNAC plans of complete control over the ME.
luv from Canada.
I’m sorry but wasn’t Canada part of the coalition bombing ISIS in Syria??? Must’ve missed that part…Love from USA the most POWERFUL country in the world
Yes, Canada took part in the bombing of Syria and I soundly condemn my country for doing that because my country is just as guilty.
I’m antiwar in an honest way and I don’t pretend to make excuses for evil. If a tenth of the American people practiced that honesty the world could be a much better place.
Well you may not make excuses for your country but you sure do make them for it’s adversaries.The ONLY reason Russia is in Syria is because it’s the only source of influence in the region it has.IT has to protect it’s only naval port outside of Russia in the world so it has to DEFEND the Iranian backed Shiite Muslim Syrian Regime it supports or lose the only influence it has in the middle East…Understand…Its really not that important to America in fact it’s a distraction to keep Russia distracted in Syria while we surround them with NATO bases and missile defense systems along it’s borders…New NATO bases and missile defense shields in Poland.We’ll stay in Syria and support the Sunni Muslims in the form of Saudi Arabia Turkey and the various elements of the Baath party Saddam’s old army who lost power when we have the Iraqis a voice to vote and they installed a Shiite government that left the Sunnis disenfranchised.Its a proxy war we don’t even really care about…USA
“The ONLY reason Russia is in Syria is because it’s the only source of influence in the region it has.”
And the only reason the US is in Syria is because when Benjamin Netanyahu says shit, American politicians ask “what color would you like?”
Flag-draped, Kool-Aid saturated patriot zombie spouting pure unadulterated “rah rah USA” propaganda, with a pinch of ye olde anti-Communism thrown in. Not one original thought, not a single thought of your own. A tribal robot.
On behalf of Israel, the subverted US Govt, using State, the DOD, and the CIA, created the war in Syria. You got that, douchebag? The war in Syria is an illegal war of aggression, using proxy terrorist mercenaries — al Quaeda and ISIS — to overthrow the legitimate govt of Syria. Every single death resulting from that war, every single refugee fleeing for their lives from the US created horror, every single one, is a criminal act for which Bush/Cheney/Obama/Clinton are culpable.
Syria/Assad are fighting a totally legitimate defensive war against the criminal monsters sicced on them by the US/UK, their degenerate Sunni Gulf allies, and Erdogan’s Turkey.
And regarding all those “innocent” civilians…. They are Sunni tribalists in revolt. They don’t do democracy, they do tribal tyranny. And if they “won” the war they would be ten times as brutal and tyrannical as Assad. They support the Sunni jihadists monsters fighting Assad’s stabilizing leadership, and the reasonable and logical thing to do to such traitors and their terrorist buddies is to bomb them all. Bomb them and bomb them and bomb them,… until they either surrender or die. It’s called war, and it’s a nasty business, and if you can’t handle it, you shouldn’t start it. And if you start it only to discover that all your people — your families and friends, women and children, old and young, doctors, nurses, poets, and clergy — end up being slaughtered by the neighborhood-full, then maybe the lesson to be learned is that you screwed up and shouldn’t have trusted the CIA-sponsored NGOs that encouraged you to revolt in the first place, and that fleeing from the death zone and surrendering to the legitimate govt forces is the sensible thing to do, to keep you and your family from being blown to bits.
Because that is what happens to people who throw in with the Zionist-subverted US, the fully-owned subsidiary of the Zionist crime-in-progress that is Israel.
Your country Mr. Eagle is being f**ked in the @ss by the Zionists and all you can say is “Putin did it!”, and beg for more. Your mindless stupidity and easy manipulation are the reasons your beloved country is being raped. You are the reason America is being flushed down the Zionist toilet. I hope you are young enough to enjoy a long life living neck-deep in a Zionist cesspool.
Jeff, well said. Morons like EAGLE are a ‘dime per dozen’. People like this guy should get their head out their backside and wake up.
Bush’s illegal war on Iraq, concocted on subterfuge, misinformation, and outright lies, murdered 1 million Iraqi citizens, displaced millions more, destabilized an already fragile Near East, and precipitated the current influx of refugees into Europe.
There can be no dollar amount on the human suffering the collective Bush/Obama regimes have inflicted on individuals in those war-torn hell holes. However, their bogus wars have already cost USG taxpayers 5 trillion dollars, and likewise contributed to an overall 20 trillion in mounting debt.
I doubt we’ll hear this from the warmongering establishment and their flunkies in the mainstream corporate media.
Yup a dime a dozen we actually outnumber you anti-Americans instead of hiding behind a computer and being irrelevant maybe you should go out in the American streets and say the same thing..Try Chicago or New York ground zero…I mean your brave on your computer….Hahaha
Well, there does seem to be at least one anti-American here. Goes by the name “EAGLE” and stands resolutely against what the founding fathers advocated (no standing army, “friendship and commerce with all nations, entangling alliances with none,” etc.).
The founding fathers are long gone the world has changed we have an internet now where cowards express racist views bash there country and than go out into society hiding there TRUE Colors..Some of them even believe they have magical powers….Cant make this stuff up unlike half the ignorant conspiracy theories I’ve heard from people on this site…USA
I been to Chicago, Ground Zero New York City,
Ground Zero Ferguson Missouri, and Ground
Zero in Iraq’s Baghdad. Idiot.
Bet you weren’t there bashing America especially in ground zero but you’re on this website so brave talking shiii about it…What’s wrong with telling the people who’s loved ones died on September 11 that there country sucks and you support the adversaries.Tell them all about your conspiracy theories how the U.S. government was involved go on be brave.Its not bad enough I have to deal with a coward hiding behind a computer now I have the guy who “Monitors” this site constantly trolling my comments because he’s upset i made fun of him for being a grown man that plays magic wizard at home but hey he doesn’t do this full time…
I doubt that EME supports you, EAGLE (I’m assuming he or she’s American, which would make you one of his or her country’s adversaries).
Mr.Davis this is Eagle I responded to your post but do to the censorship I mean modernisation it didn’t make it back to you.I appreciate your perspective Lil Hitler now go watch tapes of the good ole days when Adolf was alive before Germany got there asses kicked in WW2…USA
Obama didn’t hit that convoy, the US did. Aren’t you clever enough to pick up on what everybody is saying? Obama’s authority is being over ridden. It’s likely only racist hate on your part that prevents you from understanding the facts.
Aug 9, 2016 ‘Kill Russians and Iranians, threaten Assad,’ says ex-CIA chief backing Clinton
Last year, Morrell apologized to “every American” and finally owned up to the “mistakes” made by the CIA in Iraq, where over 4,000 US soldiers and at least 250,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the 2003 US invasion.
https://youtu.be/tYs_pfljaBE
Lincoln, how can anyone believe what you say when you can’t even understand that the steel in the WTC didn’t need to melt to cause the structures to fail?
You could have asked a blacksmith 200 years ago about what happens to steel when it’s heated to only cherry red. Are you really that stupid Lincoln or are you trying to pull some people’s legs?
Assad and Russia are claiming they have evidence of conversations between the US bombers and terrorists while the deliberate bombing of Assad’s forces was happening.
Will the US try to deny or will their arrogance just leave them to admitting it now and trying to justify it?
Of course it gets past the moderator, Jeff. Only spam and hate speech don’t.
But of course you know that. And yet for some reason you persist in thinking that you can convincingly pretend otherwise, presumably in the hope that the next time you pull that shit I’ll be too embarrassed to enforce the rules. Hint: I won’t be.
“insisting that Russia’s operations against the Nusra Front cannot be considered counter-terrorism”
Bombing the c**p out of terrorists is pure counter terror, as she well knows, the Russians just need to limit the “collateral damage” to American levels.
BTW, has anyone asked Samantha Powers what her strategy for stopping Al Qaeda is? Telling them to go stand in the corner? Taking away their pocket money?