While presenting it as a shift in President Obama’s mindset, Pentagon officials are talking up the idea that the US occupation of Afghanistan, which began in late 2001, is not just extended for a couple of additional years but will continue for several more decades, and for all intents and purposes may as well be permanent.
“What we’ve learned is that you can’t really leave,” one Pentagon official was quoted in the Washington Post as insisting, while other officials openly talked about a “generational approach,” in which the US stays for generations more to create an entire new Afghanistan.
Despite making some statements of aversion to “endless war,” President Obama has never really appeared all that eager to end the Afghanistan occupation, and the end dates were always speculative dates set by NATO to give the impression the war was winding down.
Yet all along, these end dates were based on the assumption of a nigh-miraculous improvement in the Afghan military that hasn’t happened yet, and it was always more or less assumed the date would just keep getting punted down the road until victory just sort of happens.
The change isn’t that the US is staying, but that the Pentagon is doing away with the pretense of leaving in any measurable timeframe. From the Afghan military’s widespread corruption to the growth of ISIS in the nation’s southeast, all the military talking points are now that the Afghans aren’t ready, but that these Afghans likely never will be.
Instead, the shift toward “generational war” means measuring success a few decades down the road, to see if the Pentagon can successfully rear the Afghan children being born today into the sort of pro-US warrior state that they’d feel comfortable turning back over to its population. If not, we just roll the dice on the next generation, and so on.
25 thoughts on “Pentagon on Afghanistan: US ‘Can’t Really Leave’”
Looks like we have replaced the British East India Company. Where ever they haven’t implanted their flag permanently, we’re going to place ours. 700 world wide bases including those countries we conquered in WW2 and since. The UN is a fraud since we have a veto in the Security Council and nuclear weapons.
The US will leave Afghanistan when their credit card gets maxed out and canceled by the FED. But probably not before.
The United States can’t leave leave Afghanistan is because of all that herion..!
Let’s get real..
the reason we are in Afghanistan in the first place is the CIA-NSA-Bush Crime Family
( the world’s largest International Narco peddlers..duh)
Concocted ( conspired )
their astonishingly ridiculous story about a guy in a cave that somehow could blow up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon!
oh, he had help from ten guys
with box cutters…hahaha..lol!
$550 billion dollars a year for a Defense Budget and we can’t even protect the Pentagon from ten guys with box cutters..!
Hahaha..what a joke!
Sadly, however, the joke is on us and the entire world. Moreover, we must suffer for decades.
Until the last drop of herion runs out.
Thanks Dick Cheney..Thanks George Bush.
History will reserve a special place for you.
astonishingly ridiculous story about a guy in a cave that somehow could blow up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon!
meanwhile AntiWar, in spite of a mountain range of evidence, goes: Evidence, what evidence?
On the contrary. “Antiwar.com” doesn’t ask anything. Antiwar.com is PEOPLE, with different positions on 9/11, none of which (so far as I know) match your description.
Now, as for myself, my “what evidence?” for your hypothesis has been matched with a willingness to look at any evidence you care to provide for that hypothesis.
Which, over the course of nearly 15 years, so far comes to zero, zilch, nada, bupkes. Assertion is not evidence.
Hey…Tommy Two Tone…
(The famous two toned Copperhead)
I feel certain that 9-11 was an irnside job…to me it’s obvious.
But you don’t see any problem with the Bush-Cheney Administration’s ” story”..?
Let me get this straight.
Apparently you believe that the
who had to break through 116 firewalls and security systems
In one day…in 3 hours…
And easily defeat the entire ten trillion dollar US Military…
in order to successfully carry out their attack…
You believe that the 19…
essentially, Saudi terrorists…
could defeat the entire US Military..?
Using box cutters…?
The odds of negotiating your way through 116 heavily coded and virtually air tight firewalls and security systems…
On your first attempt..mind you..
The odds are 42,000,000 to one that you could pull that off successfully.
That means you would have one chance in 42,000,000..!
You believe the Saudi terrorists were so clever…
so much smarter than us..
that they could pull it off…
without even one small glitch..?
Put another way;
If you thought Bush was lying..
You would have a
42,000,000 out of 42,000,001 chance of being correct….
That Bush is lying.
Dirty Dick did most of the lying because W.’s handlers were scared to death to let him speak )
when the stooges from the 9-11 Commission came to interview Bush…he wasn’t allowed to be interviewed without Dirty Dick being present to do spin control.
the 9-11 Commissioners were not allowed to swear in Bush or Cheney..put them under oath…
Gee isn’t that peculiar..?
if their not under oath…what use is the testimony…?
Why not just discuss baseball..?
Why couldn’t they be sworn in like every other person interviewed?
Exactly like the Constitution dictates…?
Moreover, the Commissioners couldn’t have any recorders or even take notes…
wow..that’s strange huh..?
Please don’t be offended if I ask:
Do you believe in the Easter Bunny?
because the Easter Bunny story is more cogent and has fewer holes in it then the 42 million to one shot
you are touting pal..!
Lastly..about 60% of Americans
don’t believe the Bush story:
They smell the rat…
and are beginning to realize there’s something really rotten in Denmark.
“I feel certain that 9-11 was an irnside job…to me it’s obvious.”
Good for you. Got any evidence?
“But you don’t see any problem with the Bush-Cheney Administration’s ‘ story’..?”
Actually, I see numerous problems with it. That’s not what’s at issue here.
What’s at issue is the insistence of some that everyone else accept their “feeling certain” of an alternative story, even though after nearly 15 years they have yet to come up with so much as an iota of evidence for that alternative story.
Tommy you simply sound silly.
Forget the inane High School debate tricks, son.
The hell with feelings..
go with reality…
Go with mathematics.
Here’s a test to very.smply prove me wrong,,,
This weekend there will be about a. 116 basketball and ice hockey games..
Put 5 Teams on one parlay ticket..see if you can get all five right…at 20 to one odds..!
Try 10 teams..at 4500 to one.
Son..you could not find anybody in the world who could do it.
Not even a computer at Berkeley..!
Yet a couple of Arab terrorists could…crack 116 firewalls..easily!
Go with reality son.
a simple after thought..Tommy:
You mentioned with your sagacious debater ploy..
where you giveth and then taketh away …that little gambit
Best example is Brutus:
” I come to bury Caesar not to praise him…”
and then he continues extolling Caesar’s virtues endlessly.
But surely..that’s so sophomoric as to be mundane.
You mentioned…you found some contradictions in Bush’s story as well.
You could please elaborate on a few that you discovered..?
Just one or two…?
Or are you actually just Judd for the Defense…failing away at any reasonable or valid question raised by 9-11 Fact Finders…?
Please get back to me on that..
Okay..just give me one contradiction you found please.
It would further the discussion tremendously.
As I mentioned previously:
Tommy the Coppertop…
it’s show time…
Declarations are in order.
Some of the problems I have with the “official version” —
– The false claim that aircraft couldn’t be scrambled from Andrews in a reasonable amount of time to respond to the likely threat to DC.
– Silverstein’s “pull it” comment on WTC 7.
– The fact that I’ve seen what it looks like when a cruise missile penetrates reinforced concrete, and the hole in the Pentagon looks just like that.
– The omission/dismissal from the “official version” of accounts of explosions subsequent to the plane impacts and close or identical in time to the towers’ collapse.
There are others, but that should do for starters.
But there’s a huge gap between the questions as to what actually happened and the assertions by “inside job” proponents as to what actually happened. And that gap has yet to be filled with evidence.
Get real. Your problem is not that I DON’T question the official story. Your problem is that I DO question your story.
Indeed, antiwar.com has become irrelevant by accepting the USG’s preposterous 9/11 conspiracy theory.
Like an ostrich, head in the sand … I can’t see you.
neither shocking or much of a surprise
Before the troops were drawn down the US was squandering $8 billion A MONTH in Afghanistan. Recently we read about a $4 million gas station eventually costing $40 million and is still not in use. Millions each month go into the pockets of “Ghost” soldiers who only exist on paper…the Afghan generals cash their checks.
So the next time you hear a chicken hawk congressman saying we don’t have the money to improve our infrastructure think of that Afghan gas station.
We have to stay there until that gas station turns a profit.
I said years and years ago they went in never intending to leave. But hey, I’m a crazy conspiracy theorist, and you should never listen to people like me….
We may be crazy, but we’re not stupid, and we are not wrong.
Just amazes me how all that dope is still flowing like a river out of Afghanistan, at least since after 9/11 when we went in.
Of course, just before 9/11 the big bad Taliban banned the cultivation of Opium and the crop plummeted 90%.
2 and 2 ??
During the Vietnam war all the dope came out of the Golden Triangle of Burma, Cambodia. Laos. Then when Reagan had his little proxy war in Central America all the crack flooded into Los Angles. Now we have been in Afghanistan for 15 years and the Opium crop is breaking all records.
Follow THE MONEYYYYYYYYY
Baghram Air Force Base is like
“Publishers Clearing House”..
Nobody ever knew where Dirty Dick Cheney was…
Well he apparently made more than two dozen trips to Afghanistan..!
Moreover..on the way back from Afghanistan he always stopped over in Cairo, Egypt..(go figure)
Turns out..his pal..Hosni Mubarak had $72 billion dollars in his Swiss bank account when he was finally deposed..!
Wow..that’s quite alot of money to embezzle from the state coffers…
by doing it the old fashioned way:
and taking kickbacks.
Ostensibly..could he have had a little business on the side?
Anybody gonna follow the money..?
Keep in mind..I don’t have any special knowledge…I’m just a guy who reads the paper.
But I happened to notice when good ole Assistant Director of the CIA ..
Buzzy Fuzzy Krongard shorted the airlines and insurance stocks three days before 9-11..
A million to one coincidence…
and nobody followed the money…lol
Nobody thought it was peculiar when the India Times reported that Pakistani
General Mahmoud Ahmed, head of the Pakistani I.S.I., bank wired Mohammed Atta $100,000…a week before 9-11…
and of course..nobody investigated that.
Briefly, but importantly..
let me also mention…
on a different but related note:
I have no problem at all with Antiwar.com’s position.
They are not a 9-11 truth site.
They are ( an excellent) news reporting website (syndicate) that covers a broad range of issues.
It’s a big tent…and alot of issues.
They certainly don’t exclude, censor or disparage comments made by people who consider themselves 9-11 Truthers.
BTW..they spend 90% of their ink just trying to debunk today’s lies by the U.S.
Everyday..there’s a plethora of new
Government lies to debunk.
Actually..it’s easy to see the truth.
Everything the US Government
tells us is a lie.
If you could go to Vegas and make a bet:
The US is telling the truth or
the US is lying..
If you put your money on lying..
you would never lose a bet..!
Frankly, I can’t recall even one time..
one issue they told the truth.
It’s like the KKK is running our
PS..virtually every bank in the,
“Free World” is awash in dirty money..blood money…narco money.
That’s how they roll..!
We will never leave because we have to loot all of Afghanistan’s minerals
As always, I carefully read your extended, barely coherent screed looking for a point. If you have one, you might try expressing it in concise English.
No doubt, it helps to read it carefully
as I’m typing on the phone in the backseat.
Not some pinko liberal, a Republican U.S. Army Colonel, Lawrence Wilkerson, former national security advisor to the Reagan administration who spent years as an assistant to Secretary of State Colin Powell during both Bush administrations,
I actually watched it to the end, all 20 odd minutes. I do not know when, but something wicked is already here and growing, a cancer kept secret that will eventually kill us: It is the geometric increase that Capitalism always requires, unendingly upwards returns on unending increases in capital. That is why Capitalism will always have booms and busts where the poor and uninformed pay while the top rakes in the losers capital.
God Bless you Jimmy..!
I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
Oh, it’s here already..!
The cancer on the body politic.
And clearly, we are going to need surgery.
I always recall H. Ross Perot’s 1992 statement:
“…We need to get a shovel and clean out the barn…!…”
Moreover, sadly, Gen. Colin Powell
and his extremely bright and talented adjutant,
got involved with the Gangsters in the White House
and have real first hand insight and experience.
In other words, trust me, Wilkerson doesn’t blow smoke out his ass
like all the other sycophants.
He knows what he’s talking about.
PS…I like your style, baby!
Assuming that you showed both your screeds and my replies to “professors” (highly unlikely) and assuming that these “professors” are at all familiar with legal process, they would presumably have pointed out to you that a trial is something that happens after probable cause has been shown to believe that a particular person has committed a particular crime.
If you’ve got evidence to suggest that a particular person committed a particular crime, feel free to share it.
And no, I don’t attack all 9/11 Truthers. I’m a 9/11 Truther myself. The kind who’s actually interested in fact and evidence, as opposed to “I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant this to be the truth, so it haaaaaaaaaaaas to be the truth.”
All I get is more distortion and confusion out of you.
Oh my goodness..!
That’s your reply..?
3000 people died
I say they were murdered.
Who knows…let’s find out?
Was a crime committed…?
There are so many unanswered questions.
Here’s how it works in America Tommy.
A District Attorney of a County or Attorney General of a state…
who had a citizen from their city or state killed…
Would convene a Grand Jury and examine the just the known facts…
example your 3 questions
Timeline..Silversteins tape..entrance hole in Pentagon
Tjen come to a conclusion on wether to proveed with a trial.
That simple Einstein.
Do you think we have enough questions to start the process..?
Yes or no..?
Yes or no..?
Real simple Tommy..?
And where is your 5 team parlay…?
Any Arabic terrorists can hit a 116 team parlay..?
Yep..both my wife and daughter are PhDs.
In your bio it says Master of the Universe…
Realize..when we are asking all these questions we are standing right in front og the American Flag..!
There isnt a real 9-11 Truth advocate anywhere in the world that blows as much smoke out his ass as you.
Your a fraud.
As I stated in my first post to you..m
Your a Copperhead
Scratch the surface and you get a right wing hillbilly.
Anyway…thanks for the chuckles.
Obviously..if ou could answer you would have already.
We are going around in circles.
Please..no need to reply.
I cant waste the brain cells.
PS…if your happy and you know it… clap your hands…
You sure have a long-winded way of proclaiming that you’re an idiot.
Comments are closed.