Underscoring exactly why the eastern Ukrainian Civil War still hasn’t been resolved, the Ukrainian government today reiterated that it will never directly negotiate with the eastern rebels.
The comments were a response to Russian FM Sergey Lavrov urging the two sides to hold talks to reach “mutually acceptable agreements.” As usual, they included angry condemnations of Russia.
Ukrainian Premier Arseniy Yatsenyuk insisted the call for talks amounted to Russia trying to push Ukraine into recognizing the rebels’ legitimacy, saying it was tantamount to ‘legitimizing terrorists.’ He went on to condemn the rebels as “Russian mercenaries.”
Lavrov said that talks without the rebels were “counterproductive” and criticized Ukrainian hawks looking to exclude them from any potential peace deal.
Of course. It's not like their goal is to end war. Which is to say that the best possible outcome is for the rebels to take over Kiev.
I would say rather that the best possible outcome is for the rebels to take over the areas where they are welcome. The rebels would be no more welcome in Kiev than the Kiev junta is welcome in Donetsk. Much as I disapprove, if the west of Ukraine wants to be run by US puppets that is their business. Probably the only chance for a lasting peace is some sort of partition.
Ukraine has been pretty much a divided state ever since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Note the near-perfect congruence of the ethno-linguistic and the political divide:-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp…
When Ukraine seceded from what is now the Russian Federation, the historically Russian southern and easterly provinces (especially Crimea) should have been given the choice to remain with Russia. Ever since that time, Ukrainian elections have determined which part of the country gets to impose its will on the other part, not a recipe for good government.
Of course. It was an artificial state, and as a result, all the governments since Soviet Union tried to please both sides, the former Austro-Hungarian regions and Russian regions — and not pleasing either. The vote that just occurred, as much as it was repressed in heavily Russian towns and villages, still reveal the truth. Pro-Russian United Opposition and Communists got more votes then EU puppet Poroshenko, and US puppet, Yatsenyuk. The regions are: Ukrainian controlled portions of Lughansk and Donetsk, Azov sea coast region of Zaporozye, Black Sea region of Odessa, and the adjacent regions to the East, Kharkov, Dnjepropetrovsk, and Mykolayev. Surprise strong showing of pro Russian vote in Kerson is nothing short of amazing. The region is adjacent to Crimea, and the voting was suppressed. I suspect that Kiev will have to pump up its own population for war, as Russia is not "cooperating". Ukrainian army is a disunited organization, and Ukraine already changed about 5 defence ministers.
Perhaps Lavrov should go over the heads of the puppets in Kiev and address the puppetmaster and his three poodles directly.
Very good – Kiev is finally showing self confidence.
That is not self confidence, because they can't back it up. It is bluster. It is writing a check hoping someone else will cash it.
The USG is probably telling Yats what to do anyway. The USG is afraid if the Ukrainians try and negotiate with the easterners, they might reach an agreement and put an end to the USG's interference in affairs that are not their business, forcing the USG to find another way to harass Putin.
The Ukrainians are in the strongest possible position: they have nothing left to lose. Like the Poles (whom they greatly resemble in temperament) in 1939, they have decided to go down fighting, with their heads high, certain that, like Hitler, the absurdly vain Putin will sooner or later make a fatal mistake which will bring him down. Also, they have noticed that, for whatever reason, Putin doesn't want to actually invade Ukraine. They are therefore calling his bluff. And, of course, the big loser is Israel. Europe survived Hitler, it will survive Putin. Israel cannot survive without its increasingly discredited American protector. Sooner or later, that will provoke Israel's more extreme supporters to panic and do something stupid.Ukraine may well be that very thing.
As with most deluded neo-con trolls, you are evidently obsessed with Israel and try to squeeze it into every comment you make. The world does not revolve around Israel. get over it.
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Have you had too many "poppy seeds"?
The end game is in sight!
The administration in Kiev begin to butcher the seperatist 'terrorists' i their own homes in the east.
Russia is forced to step in and secure the lives of the seperatists.
NATO declares war on Russia.
Check mate – the US wins.
The US is a country at war with itself, which is why there is no gun control – too much money to be made. The country was birthed in the blood of millions of native American Indians and continues to keep up its culture of spilling blood – as long as it is someone elses. Do not forget the US dolla which clearly states "in god we trust". The rest of the world is truely screwed.
"The US is a country at war with itself, which is why there is no gun control"
You must not be from the US. It has thousands of "gun control" (more accurate description: "Victim disarmament") laws.
Re: "Russia is forced to step in and secure the lives of the seperatists (sic)
NATO declares war on Russia.
Check mate – the US wins."
I think more realistically your suggested scenario probably ends "Checkmate – nuclear war – everybody loses – the human race probably becomes extinct".
"NATO" declares war on Russia? Why? Ukraine is not a NATO Member so why should NATO step in to declare war on Russia?
Only possible solution — Most self-evident
Russia will soon establish a peace keeping zone and a no-fly zone between the new East Ukraine Republic and those fascist thugs. About 5,000 troops and a dozen fighter-jets should get the job done.
Ukraine fascist coup —
Over 4,000 dead —
Over 10,000 injured —
Half million refugees among the frozen homeless
For Russia is giving this NATO backed dictatorship enough rope to hang itself, so, watch what happens next.
Sounds to me like the Ukrainians are being stroked and "advised" to keep things as they are. To me, the Ukrainians are more the "terrorists" as they bombard civilian homes irrespective of whether there are combatants inside or not. Kind of like the collective punishment the Israelis hand out. And since the Israelis get away with it, the Ukrainians figure they will also.
I also notice that the so-called "rebel terrorists" haven't targeted the relative safety of Kiev or anywhere in the west for that matter…unlike what the Ukrainians are doing in the east. Begs the question who are the real terrorists.
The best solution would be a partition.