Months after the July crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine, Germany’s BND spy agency has blamed the eastern Ukrainian rebels in testimony to the German parliament.
The blame echoes US allegations months ago, and the BND claimed that a 9k37 Buk missile system was responsible for the shootdown. They cited only satellite images in drawing this conclusion.
The Ukrainian military had 9k37s in the area, and claimed the rebels did as well, at times claiming the rebels seized them from a Ukrainian base, and at other times claiming Russia gave them to them. At other times they claimed to have photos showing the Russians themselves had attacked the plane.
The BND chief said there was evidence to conclude that the Ukrainian photos were “manipulated,” but that he was still convinced that the rebels had fired the missile.
298 people were on the plane, and there were no survivors.
The BND report brought to you by the US government? The "chain of plausibility" is supposedly based on photos, satellite images, and "other sources".
Now, do you remember??
The BND is the same spy agency who presented "Curve Ball" to GWB and Powell!!
So, please validate that message with that experience!!
… btw, "Curveball" became German citizenship from the BND
AND has now a second ID livong somewhere in Southern Germany.
That means, the BND is even supporting him even now after he
confessed openky of his lies. Doesn't it say, he was probably encouraged by the BND
and the BND probably encouraged by the CUA?
In the book: "Vermaechtnis: Die Kohl-Protokolle" by H. Schwan and T. Jens,
the former chancellor H. Kohl is cited about his view of the BND:
Den Bundesnachrichtendienst haette er in seiner bestehenden
Form am liebsten abgeschafft. "Sein Nutzen war nahezu null.
Die wussten ueberhaupt nichts."…
Der Leiter des DDR-Auslandsnachrichtendiestes "Markus Wolf
lachte sich doch schief ueber Klaus Kinkel." …
"Sie kontrollieren sich untereinander, mit allen negativen
Folgen wie Neid und Misgunst. Das muss doch auch die
menschliche Natur verformen."
Why doesn't Ukraine release the tapes of the air traffic controllers when the plane was shot down?
Why doesn't the U.S. release satellite photos it has over the area when the plane was shot down?
The fuselage is reported to have holes from large caliber bullets, possibly from Ukrainian jets that were following the plane before it crashed. Was that presented?
The recent retelling of the story of how Gary Webb was crusified by the lying MSM that was protecting the CIA's promotion of crack cocaine into the U.S. is an example of how the press is subservient to the government, ala Pravda during the Soviet Union. We saw it in the attack on Iraq and we are seeing it on the neocon attempt to create a military confrontation with Russia. Regardless of who is in power the "deep state" continues to rule.
This info appeared after a well known german journalist published a book about how CIA make them write anti russian articles.Coincidence ?
Still living under the shadow of the yanks
Hey, it pays well…
To — Chet Roman
I agree, which begs the question, when the rebels in East Ukraine were being blamed for the crash by all the Western press, why were the rebels so quick to hand over the MH17 black box to the West? Surely it should have been given to Russia.
Mr Roman's comment does not beg the question whatsoever. He does not employ circular logic in his reasoning in any way at all. Please learn what "begs the question" means before using it. Those of us with functioning brains will appreciate the effort. Thank you.
Putin and his $144 billion — Does he want to be a war-time President?
(1) It takes only minutes to analyze the black box recording after a plane crash, so why are the Western powers telling the world that it will take months and months before a report can be given?
(2) Russia has all the facts, a radar recording showing that MH17 had an encounter with Ukraine fighter-jets during the time of the crash and all the other facts. So, why is Putin not screaming bloody murder before the UN?
(3) Ukraine Army is still shelling and killing civilians in East Ukraine, so why did Putin just agree to give Ukraine cheep gas over the winter?
(4) If the corporate rich of both Russia and the West want a war, it their desire is for a boost in the economy by a war, then surely it is on track and charging full speed ahead.
How did you count his 144 billion usd ? Did grand mother Merkel phone you in order to reveal the amount and the place where it is hided ?
Congering up the massive BUK contrail that nobody saw or photographed out of thin air it appears. Just another in a series of lies by Outlaw Empire satrapies.
Amused by the "nobody really knows for sure" propaganda technique. That suggests that the BND is substantially correct.
Why?
Because it supports his fantasies.
Germany is still occupied territory.They obey to USA.Grand mother Merkel is more and more agressive against Russia , she is a good hate promoter.Question does she have this moral right after what her "parents" made in Russia during ww2 ?
the fix is in….everybody knows the rebels did it now everyone can accept the status quo….until the next time.
And that's when Russia Ukraine made the deal on Russia has deliverance to Ukraine, which Angela Markell is not happy about.
I am sad that an american president promote anti russian hate from official tribune.Shame on him.
The M17 plane crash is a political accident The United States says it was the Russians and they can prove it . Russia , the east Ukrainians and Germany now say The new US installed Ukrainian army shot this plane down and they can prove it But nobody shows their proof . This means you can hate the other side for this crime .
Where is the proof? If they have it, show it.
What a joke! The one and only report that was published indicated that the plane was brought down by the multiple high velociti objects piercing the plane. And that the plane was subsequently torn apart as it was falling down. Now, the experts were NOT ALLOWED TO SEE ACTUAL plane parts, only THE PICTURES. The pictures tell the story of a plane strafed by bullets — not hit by missile. Missile would have destrojed plane at the point of explosion. Ukrainian military planes were following the fated airliner, and even though it was requested — no information was provided on the whereabouts of Ukrainian military planes in the vicinity on that day and time.
The absolute joke is the theory that the missile EXPLODED far from the plane, but the SHRAPNEL strafed the airliner. First, it begs the question, why did the missile, if unimpeded, decide to explode in the vicinity of the plane — and it that is so, however improbable — why is not the plane CUT UP BY SHRAPNEL. Instead, what we have are HOLES, most either round or in eliptical. Shrapnel would have made large, irregular cuts, but none existed. Apart from the pieces that were torn off in the proces of disintegration. Thorn off — not pierced by some fanthom shrapnel from missile that exploded SOMEWHERE ELSE. In fact — this is why the investigation has been stopped, to allow for rubbish stories to fill the media, and in one year, the lie will become truth.
I am just shocked at the Malaysian government — that must have been bribed to go along with this, and betray their own citizens. That is trading human lives for the goodies their elite gets. It is all more and more disguisting. As for German "intelligence", it has been for a long time infiltrated by all and sundry — it is hard to say who they are really working for. So, coming out with such a silly story, reminds me of Netaniyahu;s picture of atom bomb that he so kindly drew for stupid children. At times, I wonder if he may be right. After all, just as it is cheaper to buy a Board then to buy a corporation, it is cheaper to buy the governing elite of any country then to be bothered with occupation.
The only group that stood to gain in any way from this atrocity is the Ukrainian government, who could then blame it on the Russians or the rebels. I doubt the Russians would do it and blame it on Ukrainians since they do not want to bring the Europeans into this conflict.. Maybe whoever was responsible did not intend to do it..
In any event the US is in no position to moralize after what they did to the Iranian airline.