There seems to be growing momentum among US politicians from both parties in favor of direct military intervention on behalf of the Iraqi government, with President Obama saying he won’t rule out anything that might aid Prime Minister Maliki.
Likely that’s going to mean air strikes targeting al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), which has taken several major cities across northern and western Iraq now, and seems to be routing the Iraqi Army wherever they find them.
Iraq has been requesting air strikes for awhile, but it seems the recent collapse of their defenses is what is finally convincing the US to seriously to the idea. The administration is now said to be “urgently” considering air strikes.
It is unclear, however, what good the air strikes will really do, as Iraqi forces don’t seem to be engaged in pitched battles with AQI where air support might turn the tide in their favor. Rather, they seem to be fleeing virtually the moment they are engaged, so at best the air strikes might slow the rate of AQI advance.
Haven't we done enough to these people?
No, we need to spread a little more demon…ocracy "ON" them..
what goes 'round, comes 'round…again.
Remember the "highway of death" in Iraq War I? Something similar could readily be done to the jihadist convoys advancing. ISIL simply doesn't have that many expendable troops, such losses would be a huge strategic blow to them.
kill, kill, kill, blood, blood, blood, more killing, more torture, more blood ….. seems to be the only thing a true red-blooded American is supposed to want these days.
how do you know that? who told you that? you think(?) they are that stupid?
Pathetic. You offer up another uninspired strategy for winning a war we lost 5 years ago.
By doing this, the US will, in a curious way, help Iran and Syria. America's erstwhile "partner", Maliki's Shia-majority Iraq is falling apart.
You broke it, you bought it. Stupid Americans.
not americans….but NEOCOINS…..money money money for those zios
When its the US going to learn how to lose wars gracefully?
Never! She is trying to dominate the whole world, now going after Russia, then China. This is the beginning of the end of a great empire, just like the Roman Empire and the Mongol Empire.
Maliki doesn't care if the US military turns all the Sunni cities in Iraq to dust.
Won't even rule out the A Bomb ? I bet the Iraqis miss old Saddam right about now. Things are worse under these " liberators."
Obama is going in even if it means killing thousands more Iraqi, this is the only way (he thinks) to redeem himself for his miserable existence as president.
Fascinating … we'll use American air planes to blow up the American non-lethal aid and the Saudi lethal aid that they got on the other side of desert.
Bush started all this mess. To start it was easy, but it is not yet closed. The same as Vietnan, the same as Afghanistan, The US had never learned the lesson. And the mess is always growing, day by day.
Stay the hell out of there. Enough is enough. BTW, where is ALL OF THIS MONEY FOR THE BOMBS COMING FROM? DETROIT? Louisiana? WHAT ABOUT USING SOME OF THAT CASH TO fortify our borders and stop THE ONGOING AND ACCELERATING INVASION OF AMERIKA?
The US hasn't been invaded since the War of 1812. Immigration isn't "invasion."
That's the way they see it if they think the white man is his god's gift to mankind…
the illegals ARE INVADING AMERIKA–IT IS A TOTAL INVASION WAKE UP TWXAS IS A POROUS INVASION ROUTE..GO AND TAKE A LOOK–WE need to MINE IT AND SHOOT ALL OF THE INVADERS..NOW…ret us army AND AWAKE
Criminal illegal immigration certainly is. Especially when the invaders (with the complicity of the US government) are displacing the resident White population, taking the few remaining jobs (with the complicity of the American traitors that hire them), supported by the idiot do-gooder churches, given food stamps, welfare, free medicine to increase their numbers. Slow genocide of Whites is a more appropriate description than immigration.
@ Thomas L. Knapp: «The US hasn't been invaded since the War of 1812. Immigration isn't "invasion."»
Me: Interesting what you choose to respond to – not.
In a well-constructed message, the more important precedes the less-so; Mike's message more or less follows this pattern.
1st, what about Mike's immigrants anyway? They are called 'illegal' and treated very badly, when basically all they want is to share the (well advertised = insidious PR) – bounties of the 'Merkan cornucopia, but usually end up as slaves in all but name, eking out a pitiful = nightmare existence 'under the radar,' say. Apart from the 'slave-owners,' the rest of the (white) US-citizens don't much appreciate the new (mostly non-white) arrivals, since the non-white population 'share' is growing, possibly to the point that the undesirables may form the majority, in which case the whites may lose out, someway. That's Mike's 'fear factor,' and as everyone knows, tyrants just love to keep their serfs in a state of fear.
Then, immigration may well be invasion, when the 'home' = native population does not wish to welcome immigrants of a specific religion, say, or colonists of any type, and when those immigrants persist in the face of quite reasonable resistance, it may become an aggressive invasion. Then, when the aggressive immigrants take up arms against the home population, what you get is *not* a civil war, but a full-scale Nuremberg-class war crime including ethnic cleansing via genocidal methods = murdering to steal land/property which the invaders may never legally occupy, let alone own. Me just trying to be helpful.
keep these dirty f ILLEGAL INVADING b'turds out of amerika–stop all immigration..now ret us army
"Then, immigration may well be invasion, when the 'home' = native population does not wish to welcome immigrants"
Um, no.
Immigration and invasion are two different things. It's true that immigration CAN TRANSFORM into invasion, but that doesn't mean immigration IS invasion. Don't let your dislike of Israel taint your ability to reason.
@Thomas L. Knapp: "Immigration and invasion are two different things. … but that doesn't mean immigration IS invasion."
Me: Thnx for the polite reply; I had thought I had your point covered with my "may well be" – what could be better may be "may well become?" Glad we sorted that out.
A BIG Q then becomes: At what point does immigration become invasion? Suggested A: Consider these 6 out of the I/J/Z-plex's 10 steps to utter, criminal ignominy:
1. Herzl; coveting, expropriation
2. Balfour; aid Zs, no consult Ps
3. Jabotinsky; colonise by force
4. Ben-Gurion: "we are the attackers and the Arabs … own the land"
5. UNGA181: "an area … shall be evacuated" (invalid + no UNSC action)
6. Meir; $US50mio for arms + Plan Dalet&Co = premeditated aggression
Conclusion: Must be some-when along there, when the desire for something not and never to be legally theirs turned into premeditating the crimes needed to improperly dispossess the native ELO/Os (= erstwhile legal owner/occupiers) by murdering violence, etc. etc..
Not so BTW, its not "dislike of Israel" so much, as abhorrence of the Zs' vicious *crimes*, and the resulting vile injustices that really bothers me – aggravated by the deliberate lies they deploy in a (now totally futile) attempt to hide their rather off morality and disgusting illegal-occupation reality. Recall the Zs only ever managed to legally acquire ~6% of Mandate Palestine?
Go away and die, lame nativist,
Our immigration policy should be precisely what's written on the tin:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless,
Tempest-tossed to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Assad offered assistance immediately after Mosul fell, when Maliki was calling out for help, when Obama was dawdling….
… but, you know, what a revelation it would be if Iraq and Syria formed an alliance with Iran, and with Kurd's fighting independently (as they have in Syria), created some sort of triangle that flushed ISIS into Jordan and KSA?
what an event changer that would be…
@tacostacostacos: "…created some sort of triangle that flushed ISIS into Jordan and KSA?"
Me: Thnx and yes! Delicious; perhaps «the people living in the 90% of Palestine called "Jordan"» [sic; AFAIK, totally unsubstantiated assertion] – or, at least the improperly dispossessed former ELO/O-Palestinians living in Jordan, may be more help than hindrance, as the ISIS rushes joyfully to the Med, driving all non-Muslim infidels before them, finally able to establish a fabled Caliphate, from the Euphrates to the sea?
Why doesn't OBUMMER call FOR AIRSTRIKES ON THE TEXAS BORDER TO STOP THE DAILY INVASION OF THE ILLEGALS?
all those troops died in vain. We already pulled out, forget it. Let Iraq crumble. Let Iran handle it. They did a pretty good job in Syria
@patriothere,
You are absolutely correct.
The blood and treasure we have spent is incalculable. What is the dollar figure now, three, four trillion? Meanwhile our cities and infrastructure crumble down around our ears. Had we stayed home, and spent that money here, the roads would be paved, and everyone would have a solid gold piss-pot.
It is beyond ridiculous.
Unconscionable would be a more fitting word.
Does this mean we will face the risk that a US Air Force plane will be shot down my an American anti-aircraft missile sent to the Syrian rebels?
absolutely…real forward thinking on Rice's part, eh?
Saddam WAS A SAINT AND HELD SOVERIGN IRAQ TOGETHER—LOOK WHAT WARMONGER DEMON AMERIKA DID…..SHAME on you dirty f 'MURIKANS'…
All POOR DUPED US TROOPS DIED IN VAIN…………..WEEP YOU F STUPID 'MURIKAN' SHEEPLE..
For those STUPID HEADS WHO ARE IN COLLUSION WITH THE DIRTY F EVIL DEMONIC FORCES THAT ARE ALLOWING THE INVASION OF AMERIKA FROM ALL ITS BORDERS……YOU ARE PATHETIC..YOU ARE EVIL…YOU ARE F TRAITORS…YOU WILL BE IMPRISONED…ret us army
I'm pretty sure Obama said this to Maliki in response to being told to leave Iraq:
Nice country you got there. It would be a shame if something … bad … was to happen to it.
CLOSE ALL US borders…MINE THEM..SHOOT TO KILL..STOP THE ILLEGAL INVASION OF AMERICA…my ancestors came through STATEN ISLAND…THESE' DIRTY F BTURDS NEED TO ALSO..THEY ARE NOT SPECIAL..NONE OF THEM…ret us army
In the United States, there is no such thing as an "illegal immigrant."
The US Constitution forbids Congress to regulate immigration (Article 1 Section 9, which Article 5 specified could not be amended until 1808 and which never HAS been amended). Therefore, all US immigration law is unconstitutional and void on its face.
This is something Congress understood for the first 90 years of the Republic, during which time the only immigration law it passed was to allow federal port officials to enforce STATE restrictions (and collect fees/fines for doing so).
It wasn't until 1875 that an activist Supreme Court fantasized a federal power to regulate immigration into the Constitution.
Even after that, Congress mostly hung immigration stuff on treaty rather than that obviously incorrect ruling for another 15 years — it wasn't until the 1890s that the feds set up Ellis Island and took over immigration duties in that area from the Port Authority of New York.
And even after that, it wasn't until the 1950s that it suddenly became de rigeur to pretend that regulating immigration was legitimate. Hell, until after World War II you didn't even need a passport to enter and leave the US.
America does have enemies. It seems much more likely that you, rather than Mexicans looking for work, are among those enemies.
Thomas: you're wasting your time trying to educate them. "MIKE" is surely a troll – just out for the fun of it.
"mike" on the other hand is a true believer. I met many like him when I wore the uniform. They usually ended up in dead-end jobs where they could do little damage to the image. Most of them leave after a few years and end up flippin' burgers at mickyD's. Some actually make the required 20 years to wrap their lips around the America's tit for the rest of their lives. The fact that he keeps bringing up that he claims he's "ret us army" may be an attempt to create some sort of status – after all, the country has gone way over the top in calling anyone who wears/wore the uniform "heroes." Very few, in fact, are actually heroes…very few. And I include myself in that class. I did a job that I volunteered for, trained in, and was paid for. That's it…nothing special and surely not a hero.
But, I at least am learning stuff from your attempt to teach him whether he does or not.
Thanks for the reply, curmudgeon.
Yeah, lots of veterans trot out that they're veterans as if it gives some special status to their opinions. Kinda bugs me.
Tom Knapp
USMC, 1984-95
Think about this for a minute. Iraq and Syria share a border. On one side of the border, Syria, we are supplying weapons to the Sunni Moslem extremists to fight the Assad regime. On the other side of the border….the exact same Sunni Moslem extremists we are against?
Now consider this. The Maliki government is Shite as is Iran. There for the Iraqi government and Iran are natural allies. In fact, Iran is sending in their revolutionary guards to defend the Shite Iraqi government.
We 'claim' to be on the side of the Shite Iraqi government and against al Qaeda in Itaq…..which of course are exactly the same people we are arming on the opposite side of the border. But that would mean therefore that we and the Iranians are then on the same side. How can that be?
Answer, It Cant't. When things don't appear to make sense, they most probably DO make sense, but just in some other way!
How badly do you have to be lied to?
Those who ARE ILLEGALLY STEALING INTO Amerika ARE INDEED INVADERS. No fancy doubletalk changes that fact. NO nation on earth allows this. Again, place our military ON ALL US BORDERS and STOP THIS ILLEGAL INVASION….ret us army..
Yes, everyone who is "illegally stealing into Amerika" is an invader.
Problem is, that's no one. The US Constitution forbids the US government to regulate immigration. Period. End of story.
And you might be surprised at how many countries "allow" free or nearly free travel across their borders. Ever heard of the European Union?
Feel free to argue this all you want. You'll still be wrong, but knock yourself out. One thing, though: Lay off the ALL CAPS CRAP. It's esthetically displeasing and at some point might even merit the ban hammer.
Try as you may you still are wrong. Legal immigration into America has a set procedure. We don't have "Open Borders". My ancestors came into America via Ellis Island . The European Union is in convulsions because of their insane open borders policy. We Americans will NOT allow this. We are a nation of laws and rules. If the CON gress will not stop the Illegal invasion into America the States surely will AND they have every right to ! PS: We don't need any more immigration into America "period" notwithstanding what idiot Biden uttered the other day.
If America is a nation of rules and laws, then the Constitution being "the Supreme Law of the Land" has to mean something.
And what the Consitution SAYS, and what it clearly MEANS based on the debates leading to its ratification, is that Congress can't regulate immigration. Article 1 Section 9 forbids it do so for the first 20 years, and Article V forbids it to amend Article 1 Section 9 for 20 years — after which an amendment would have been necessary to CREATE a power to regulate immigration.
Your family came into America via Ellis Island after the Supreme Court created a power found nowhere in the Constitution and Congress finally exercised that unlawful power to take immigration into New York away from that state's port authority.
If you want a federal power to regulate immigration, then get 2/3 of both houses of Congress to approve, and 3/4 of the state legislatures to ratify, an amendment creating one. Otherwise THE LAW is that immigration laws are null and void. You don't have to like it. That's how it is whether you like it or not.
From us " urgently readies air strikes against Al-Quaeda in Iraq" to the legal or otherwise immigration, oh boy, that will cover it for third gulf war. What I am waiting for to see is the real auction, not yet another talk taken by USG. Either way, the third golf war which could expend to Saudi Arabia and UAE is knocking the door, and some are engaged discussing immigrants, invaders, trying to sideline the real issue.
For those desiring Open Borders such as in Europe. Please "leave now". We Americans of every stripe will NOT allow America to become a 3rd world cesspool. The individual states will NOT allow this destruction either…..
Americans of your stripe have been turning American into a third word cesspool — and a banana republic to boot — for more than a century now.
Real Americans don't worship imaginary lines drawn on the ground by street gangs.
Sorry BUT Americans will NOT allow open borders , Insults notwithstanding America will Stop it's own destruction AND close the borders soon. BTW, AARP is having an airline ticket sale TO Europe. Hurry the sale ends soon!