Israel and Saudi Arabia have both made no bones about their opposition to diplomacy with Iran, but a new report from the Sunday Times is suggesting that the two have been plotting in secret to start a war shortly after the conclusion of a deal between Iran and the P5+1.
“Once the Geneva agreement is signed, the military option will be back on the table,” warned a diplomatic source familiar with the planning, which is said to include a joint Israeli-Saudi attack on Iran.
There have been other reports about the two nations plotting an alliance to attack Iran for months now, but never anything this specific, nor anything to suggest that such an attack may well be imminent.
Israel has long coveted access to Saudi airspace for any potential attack on Iran, though the Saudis have denied any plan to do so. The P5+1 will no doubt object to any attack that comes as a follow-up to their diplomacy, though both nations are apparently counting on their considerable lobbying powers to prevent the fallout from being too serious.
They can try to start a war all they want- even to the point of attacking Iran. But unless Netanyahu thinks the United States would meekly follow along and not just join in, but take up over the war once Israel finished their one-and-done pinprick attacks that wouldn't do more than make Iran angry- the whole idea is absurd.
Israel doesn't have the military capability to damage Iran. It's too far away and Israel has only 25 aircraft that can carry bombs that far. As one American officer said, "compared to us Israel doesn't have a military."
The best advice Khomeini could follow would be Bismark's. His response when he was asked what he would do if the British Army landed on the German coast: "send for the police." That's what Iran's response should be to an Israeli attack. Send for the police.
Netanyahu sure must think Americans are patsies. He'll start a war and then sit back and expect the United States to fight it for him. I sure hope he's in for a nasty surprise.
The threat hinted at here is that Israel could only do it alone with nuclear weapons. It is a threat of a first strike.
There will be no Israel second later if they used nukes. Iran has common borders with way too many nuclear capable countries.
They can try to start a war all they want- even to the point of attacking Iran. But unless Netanyahu thinks the United States would meekly follow along and not just join in, but take up over the war once Israel finished their one-and-done pinprick attacks that wouldn't do more than make Iran angry- the whole idea is absurd.
Israel doesn't have the military capability to damage Iran. It's too far away and Israel has only 25 aircraft that can carry bombs that far. As one American officer said, "compared to us Israel doesn't have a military."
The best advice Khomeini could follow would be Bismark's. His response when he was asked what he would do if the British Army landed on the German coast: "send for the police." That's what Iran's response should be to an Israeli attack. Send for the police.
Netanyahu sure must think Americans are patsies. He'll start a war and then sit back and expect the United States to fight it for him. I sure hope he's in for a nasty surprise.
Saudi Arabia will not participate in an attack against Iran. And Israel will not attack Iran without direct US military support. It would be the height of stupidity on KSA part with restive Shia pops. in oil provinces as well as oppressed in Bahrain, and Israel need only to be warned about losing its annual American taxpayer tribute payment, as well as its UN diplomatic cover, to bring it to heel.
Let Israel dare pull a USS Liberty and blame Iran to try and start another war.
They aren't as crazy as they pretend to be.
I'll believe Israel will attack Iran when it happens. For now, this is just noise.
I have to agree with the two previous posters. This is pure bluff and bluster, on the part of both Saudi Arabia and Israel. Neither country possesses aircraft carriers, which would be necessary for any successful attack. That is why both Israel & Saudi Arabia have gone to the trouble of trying to entangle the US in this effort. If they are not assured of US complicity and military assistance, they have no chance of carrying out a successful assault on Iran. It is barely in range of Israeli jets, and combat, or bombing missions, would exhaust their fuel beyond the halfway point.
I second calling it total BS. The Most Cowardly Army on Earth doesn't 'fight,' per se… And if the US is dragged in, it will have been entirely because of them.
This story in the Sunday Times sounds like Mossad disinformation. Don't believe it unless it comes from the Saudis.
Thought it was interesting that since the peak hype on Syria 'we've' been talking more about KSA. To whatever extent that's an error, it seems like an easy meme to keep fed. There would be willing believers.
The French are as useless as tits on a bull and have an entrenched reputation to match.. Hollande knows he will never, in his lifetime, get reelected as President of France. Hollande wants to spend e his last days in office as Netanyahu organ grinder monkey, a job recently vacated by that another nut job Sarkoszy.
The French are as useless as tits on a bull and have an entrenched reputation to match.. Hollande knows he will never, in his lifetime, get reelected as President of France and Hollande wants to spend e his last days in office as Netanyahu organ grinder monkey, a job recently vacated by that another nut job Sarkoszy.
The French are as useless as tits on a bull and have an entrenched reputation to match.. Hollande knows he will never, in his lifetime, get reelected as President of France and wants to spend e his last days in office making $$$ as Netanyahu organ grinder monkey, a job recently vacated by that another French nut job Sarkoszy.
A move like that will only hasten the demise of the Jewish state .It will do likewise for the feudal kingdoms on the Persian Gulf. Maybe even the US public will finally awaken as they did in preventing a war with Syria.
Obviously Hollande does not agree with Zarkozy who said according to new reports that Bibi was a liar. Be that as it may one only needs reminding oneself that when there were American troops in Saudi Arabia some guy by the name of Osama almost created a revolution in Mecca. One can only imagine what would happen in Mecca if Israeli troops and hardware made an appearance there.
By the way a Middle Eastern website claims that Prince Bandar has disappeared from SA.
Rarely do Israeli die in wars because they only fight unarmed resistance ie the Palestinians or the rag tag band of poorly armed resistance ie Hezbollah.
It doesn't stop these Crazies however from fomenting wars and supporting Saudi backed and CIA trained Al Qaeda Takfiris, Cannibals and Criminal opposition rebel fighters in Syria.
Obama cannot seem to be supporting the 'coalition of the dummies' particularly after the last weapons they supplied in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, ended up being used for the rocket attack on the Benghazi Embassy.
Rarely do Israeli die in wars because they only fight unarmed resistance ie the Palestinians or the rag tag band of poorly armed resistance ie Hezbollah.
It doesn't stop these Crazies however from fomenting wars and supporting Saudi backed and CIA trained Al Qaeda Takfiris, Cannibals and Criminal opposition rebel fighters in Syria.
Obama cannot seem to be supporting the 'coalition of the dummies' particularly after the last weapons they supplied in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, ended up being used for the rocket attack on the Benghazi Embassy.
Rarely do Israeli die in wars because they only fight unarmed resistance ie the Palestinians or the rag tag band of poorly armed resistance ie Hezbollah.
It doesn't stop these Crazies however from fomenting wars and supporting Saudi backed and CIA trained Al Qaeda Takfiris, Cannibals and Criminal opposition rebel fighters in Syria.
Obama cannot seem to be supporting the 'coalition of the dummies' particularly after the last weapons they supplied in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, ended up being used for the rocket attack on the Benghazi Embassy.
Ok, if this is true lets see if the Saudi kingdom will still be standing. Can't recall a Arab country helping Israel attacking another Arab country.
In spite of the common goals of KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) and the chitty little state, KSA can never dare make any alliance with them. They are trying in vain to lead the Arab world, as they did disastrously after the liberation of Kuwait and come hell or high water, the Arab people will never accept current Israel. Add to this that both countries armies spend billions every year but both got their asses handed over to them by Shia lightly armed but highly motivated groups recently. There is no way on earth Saudi really wants a war on Iran because it is too close for comfort, they would prefer continued weakening of Iran by sanctions and they are angry of the Iranian help to Syria's Assad. Israel on the other hand does not mind war on Iran only if another power does it, they are now cozying to France after the US spurned their aspirations, but as some poster implied, I think Iran can easily take care of France.
Saudi and Israel are most definitely not on the same page and I do not believe they are even talking secretly.
Yes, let's see what happens when IDF warplanes and troop carriers start landing at Saudi bases, complete with their Star of David markings. Let's see what happens on a Friday or Saturday when it's Sabbath and the Jews want to find a synagogue for services wearing their kippa and tallis and tzitzit in public. Oh, the Wahabbis had a fit when non-descript US personnel were on Saudi soil in the run-up to the Gulf Wars- what do you think those hard-liners will do when very obviously JEWISH TROOPS are in the neighborhood?
Sure, on paper an Israeli-Saudi axis looks doable- but on the ground, I have a sneaky feeling things would be a lot more difficult to manage even before any shooting started.
And, let's not even begin to work out the logistics of such an alliance. Lots of parts and fuel and weapons need to be on hand for an attack like that, because it's got to be a knockout blow from the git-go, otherwise Iran is likely to show both Israel and Saudi Arabia just how far from helpless it really is.
I doubt any of those things would be a problem.
When I was running security patrols around the naval airport at Al Jubail in 1991, it was an open secret that the few combat planes flying out of there (most of the traffic was big transports) were US planes with Israeli pilots (Israel wanted its people to get some combat air time).
Presumably if an Israeli-Saudi axis required Israeli troops to operate from Saudi soil, they'd find ways to be discrete about it.
I remember reading that Saddam throne was still warm when the sneaky little Crazies were celebrating Chanukah inside his Palaces.
After the Georgian conflict, when the warmongers fled home and left Saakashvilli to face Putin's wrath alone and the Mullahs still livid because Israel still hasn't paid them back the $$bils in stolen Iranian Oil revenue, I fear both Russia and Iran are itching to play whack a mole with the Israeli dummies, once the US steps aside.
I remember reading that Saddam throne was still warm when the sneaky little Crazies were celebrating Chanukah inside his Palaces.
After the Georgian conflict, when the warmongers fled home and left Saakashvilli to face Putin's wrath alone and the Mullahs still livid because Israel still hasn't paid them back the $$bils in stolen Iranian Oil revenue, I fear both Russia and Iran are itching to play whack a mole with the Israeli dummies, once the US steps aside.