Arriving in London today on the first leg of a tour of the region, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she believed that the Syrian rebels would be able to arm themselves better in the future, predicting “increasingly capable” forces who would find arms “somewhere.”
Clinton’s comments come just days after other State Department officials said the option of directly arming the rebels was being considered, if Assad continued to refuse US demands for him to resign.
Clinton said today that she has “absolutely no doubt” that the Assad regime would eventually fall, but expressed hope that it would happen soon because “more lives would be saved” that way.
The rebels already have considerable arms, of course, as they include a significant force of defectors from the Assad-backed military. The Arab League has also committed to aid the rebel factions, and al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) has infiltrated the country to at least some extent.
In one hand Barak Hussein Obama is sending a letter apologizing for the Koran burning by some US troops in Afghanistan, in the other hand the Secretary of State “Hillary Clinton suggested on Thursday Syria's opposition will ultimately arm itself and said she would bet against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's staying in power”.
Her chose of words is more personal then addressing the issue in Syria, more personal then what US says that regime change is about democracy or anything that relates to the idea, to me however, is personal attack on a legitimate government of a country and insult to a nation then having anything to do with US and its principals, that is to say if there is any principals regarding US foreign policy that US government is respecting or for that matter following. During the Bush regime and in regard to Iraq and other wars in the region the idea was said to be: “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and if US don’t get all of it no one will, that’s where Hillary Clinton commenting on arming the Syrian terrorist groups and her betting comes into picture, so people get ready for Syrian war to continue after the election.
In reality I don’t care what either of them (US or EU government) said or doing, non of them and their policies make any sense, on day they are democrat then the other day they are as brutal as the 1% and the other days they are nice sending letters apologizing for their insults.
Last I checked I couldn’t find any connections between Obama and Hillary in any kind of democracy. What I want to know is if Obama is aware of what Hillary is doing and vise versa, or is it possible that they have divided the US democratic party into what Hillary dose and what Obama is doing yet not knowing what the others do or say. Yet, it seams that Syrian affair is a “gamble”, which Hillary Clinton is betting on without Obama knowing about or he is also on the band and betting more that US and EU will one day arm Syrian terrorist groups and make sure that Syrian war is continued, or the Tyrant regime of Azerbaijani will be convinced to arm these terrorists groups and US insult of all kind will continue. This is what I call double standard of capitalism, although everyone from comedians to Hollywood stars to corporate media calling Obama a socialist and some even go further calling him communist, What I wonder is: forget about socialism and communism and anything in between, what happen to democracy and its principals which prohibits the betting or insulting a nation or even continuing a war and starting another based on another lies.
Mojo,
What, in your view, makes the Syrian state a "legitimate government?"
The history of Syria, read it then you will understand that there is more democracy in Syria then in US or for that matter in EU. Besides, where in US laws or the constitution stands that US have the right to ask for a legitimate regime change in Middle East or elsewhere for that matter, why there is no such demands by the US government or EU on Saudis or UAE. Who and what is US to demand such changes around the world, where the people of Syria and what is their say, is the majority of Syrian people are for war and division of the country, why US and EU been at war for last 60 years, why UN is not prosecuting the war crimes that US and EU militarism committed and committing in Afghanistan, Iraq and before that in Balkan, Vietnam, South America and Korean war. All that makes me believe that Syrian government is working for its people and people of Syria are united behind their government, thats makes the people of Syria as legitimate as their government is. I wish you could define the US and EU or for that matter democracy and its principals, I am not talking about vulture capitalism, a real and functioning democracy in US, but have this in mind that there is 12-19 million homeless people in US alone, the richest country in the world, while in Syria perhaps non.
>>>What, in your view, makes the Syrian state a "legitimate government?"
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International Law. Which, as a treaty signatory, the USA is legally obliged to recognize.
What, in your view, makes the Syrian state not a legitimate government? Because Clinton and the immoral, hypocritical war party of the US says so?
And you have the gall to beg for money from honest anti-war people.
"What, in your view, makes the Syrian state not a legitimate government?"
If by "government," you mean "territorial monopoly state," I don't believe there's any legitimacy involved.
"Because Clinton and the immoral, hypocritical war party of the US says so?"
Um, no … I don't consider the Obama regime (or any of its predecessor or successor administrations) to be a "legitimate government" either.
"And you have the gall to beg for money from honest anti-war people."
I'm as honestly anti-war as it's possible to get … starting with not recognizing the legitimacy of the primary vector of war, the state.
>>>I'm as honestly anti-war as it's possible to get … starting with not recognizing the legitimacy of the primary vector of war, the state.
So that gives you the right, in your mind, to not only alter the meaning of the word "legitimate" to suit your agenda, but also to alter my original post and then continue the alteration by disguising your reply into it undistinguished from your complete but altered copy of my original post?
Thomas: In your way arguing this then even the Saudis, UAE, or US government is illegitimate government. There were no Saudi Arabia until the land was given to Saudi nomad – Beduin family named Ben Saudi, or the Kuwait Ben Salah family.., when Anglo saxon sow that there needs to be a government or a kingdoms providing them with their way in stealing Oil from that country, so is the matter with the creation of Israel, the story about American natives and Mexican Indians and etc. What I am asking is simple, what is or what gives US and EU a legal standing or rights to ask for a regime change in any country beside their economical interests in the region. Forget about Israel and its apartheid regime, although such government and its economical relation with US is vital to US interests and as important as Obamas reelection is, but US and EU are after grabbing more land by dividing people as they did during the Balkan war. Second question: Define the word DEMOCRACY, its social responsibility and above all its principals, then and perhaps then you will understand the fact that there is more democracy in Syrian then is in US or EU for that matter, Syria never ever attacked either of its neighbor nor its been involved in demanding regime change, if it has then is been about changing the only apartheid regime in the region Israel, on the contrary Syrian brought peace to Lebanon and united the nation. The other question: what would US government do if Native Americans started demanding their land back asking for regime change in US, which in reality its dose need such change, and used white trash terrorist groups in America or brought some from EU and Canada as their demand for “democracy” and started fighting the government, What if Saudis would be interested in US oil and got on board wanting to help out US NATIVES, is there any legal or rights that would justify Saudis action….? But for the argument sake, where is that 53 billion dollars Libyan peoples money and where is that 17 billion dollars Iraqi money which is missing while in US hand.
Thomas,
In American eyes, the Syrian regime was legitimate so long as, for example, it participated in the CIA rendition programme.
Now that the west has got it's hands on the "Arab Spring" – a nonsense term beloved of the media – it can use the current situation to install an even more pliable and Iran-unfriendly and Israel-friendly regime there.
It's just a repeat of Libya last year. The west wants to pour in more weapons, no matter how many are killed, it's not interested in any peaceful solution. Anyway, think of all those lovely big arms deals the west will get from the new Syrian regime, and guess who loses their current weapons deals in Syria. An ideal solution for Obama and Clinton, and their European puppets Cameron, Sarkozy and Merkel, who will also get a slice of the weapons pie.
in what sense is the opposition any better a candidate, or for that matter, in what sense is any government legitimate. we're all anarchists here, i just don't want to see the hegemon (USG and associated apparatus) that seems to be trying to take complete control succeed in it's aim.
Neither do I want to see that. But I don't base my opposition to US intervention in Syria on the absurd notion that the Assad regime is "legitimate" just because some watery tart threw a sword at it or something.
>>>"watery tart"?
Nice. Now there's another gem for those who are collecting such evidence.
>>>"we're all anarchists here"
We are not "all" anarchist here. Some of "us" see anarchy as an armchair pipe dream. I, for one, am a radical iconoclast and a dedicated anti-Empirist. The very concept of Empire is innately evil and nothing but evil will ever come of it.
Does it matter? We have no right or business sticking our nose in Syria, one way or the other.
>>>What I want to know is if Obama is aware of what Hillary is doing and vise versa
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Obama was aware of Hillary's long and unwavering support of the immoral, illegal and brutal invasion and occupation of Iraq when he appointed her Secretary of State.
Like Bullwinkle Moose madame Hillary is always reaching into her magic hat to pull out a surprise.
Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French administered the area as Syria until granting it independence in 1946. The new country lacked political stability, however, and experienced a series of military coups during its first decades. Syria united with Egypt in February 1958 to form the United Arab Republic. In September 1961, the two entities separated, and the Syrian Arab Republic was reestablished. In November 1970, Hafiz al-ASAD, a member of the Socialist Ba'th Party and the minority Alawi sect, seized power in a bloodless coup and brought political stability to the country.
USA and EU are after any country and regimes which are or might become socialist by nature or social political and economical reforms, US and EU are after any and all kind of democracy that exist in anywhere in this world, US and EU government is willing to work with tyrants, dictatorial and apartheid's regimes for their interests, US and EU are not after a political stability anywhere but they are after establishing their puppets regimes or terrorisms as in Libya or cooperating with Azerbaijani regime, they are trying to do the same in Syria and elsewhere, US and EU by militarizing the world proving the fact that US and NATO is part of their “democracy" where a functioning Democracy has lost it's social meaning.
But Victor Bout is in prison now. Who is gonna sell? Are these arms just going to accidentally drop off planes? Someone needs to ship a container or two from Russia with assurances that he's not going to be bothered about that later. It is bad for morale to suddenly be on the Axis of Evil after loyal services.
I think it has gone a bit beyond Viktor Bout don't you??
Over 10,000 Libyans are reportedly being trained in a closed-off zone in Jordan, before being snuck into Syria to fight for the opposition. These men are allegedly paid around US$1,000 a month, funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.Jordan-based AlBawaba news website says most of the gunmen who are being trained are actually part of the Libyan armed opposition, who have not had the chance to lay down arms following the toppling of Muammar Gaddafi’s regime. The allegations of funding from Riyadh and Doha were not attributed to anyone, but AlBawaba did draw attention to the fact that both Saudi Arabia and Qatar actively support the Syrian opposition. At the same time, several Iranian news sources report that some 50 Turkish officers arrested in Syria last week have confirmed that they were trained by the Israeli Special Forces to carry out insurgent acts against the Syrian government and President Bashar al-Assad. The arrested officers also, according to Iran’s Fars news agency, admitted to initiating contact with Qatar and Saudi Arabia, inadvertently lending support to the countries’ involvement in the ongoing conflict in Syria.
Where is that democracy that US government or for that matter the US media as CNN Anderson Cooper "keeping them honest" program is talking about. Here is a document by the Syrian media, despite the nature or the name of the report” which non of the US media is talking about:
“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” Malcolm X
A statement by the Syrian Communist Party- Unified
Posted: February 24, 2012 in Uncategorized
Dear Syrian Countrymen!
On Friday, February-10-2012, brutal as well as criminal explosions resulting from tow suicide operations rocked the city of Aleppo, causing the death of 28 martyrs and 235 wounded persons, the wounds of some are serious, the majority of those innocent victims are civilians, security personnel, women and children.
This criminal acts carried out by the terrorist group caused the eruption of a wide spread campaign of condemnation and disapproval locally, regionally and internationally, specially the above mentioned explosions took place in a city, Aleppo, which has been standing firmly in the face of the greatest foreign conspiracy. What distinguishes these tow criminal operations is that they have been praised and highly appreciated by some people.
However, they really come in the context of brutal operations taking place in many parts of beloved-Syria. Those terrorist groups are being funded, armed and trained by the United States of America, Europe and some Arab countries, specially Saudi Arabia and Qatar, for the purpose of planting the seeds of sectarian strife, performing assassinations, kidnapping, sabotage for both public and private properties and the destruction of economic capacities. Whereas the heroic people of Syria suffer mostly from these criminal actions, they, surely are mostly beneficial for Syria.
There are many other reports coming out of Lebanon that Lebanese government is boycotting the Tunisia meeting and all in all is 58 countries out over 250 countries of the world which are gathering in Tunis, many of these governments are beneficials attending this meeting, like Saudis and UAE the true and well kept and feed by US and EU tyrants in the region.
I am no war hawk at all. But the situation in Syria has gotten out of hand and is different than the other
problems in the Middle East. Obama needs to do something fast or risk fallout from the public and the Republicans in the 2012 election.
I agree with Sec of State Clinton.