Preparing to head to Belarus for ceasefire talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin had to take a call from President Obama, who threatened to impose “greater costs” on him over his “aggression” in the Ukraine.
Ukraine’s civil war is going increasingly poorly for the US-allied government, and the Obama administration seeks to blame Russia for the gains of the rebels, who are predominantly ethnic Russians.
At the same time, the claims of “aggression” ring incredibly hollow, as Putin is the one working with France and Germany in Minsk to try to get a new Ukraine ceasefire in place, while the Obama Administration has refused to attend and is talking about escalating the conflict with arms shipments to the Ukrainian military.
The US and Britain have both repeatedly gone on the record as wanting the Ukrainian civil war to end, but only on their terms, which is an unconditional surrender of the rebels. Since the rebels have gained ground and Russia, France, and Germany are trying to negotiate a settlement, the US and Britain are trying to forestall the ceasefire, hoping they can shift the war in Ukraine’s favor enough that total surrender becomes possible.
Until that happens, expect them to paradoxically oppose Russian peace efforts and blame Russia for the war.
Its always frustrating when a business adventure doesn't pan out. Them Yankees ought stop it with their carpet bagging.
Tough words from a tough guy. That is until bibi shows up gives him a good slapping. This alleged phone conversation sounds more like a press release. I'm hoping that it is. It'll appease the neocons and avoids actually offending Putin. And I'm sure Putin understands the need for grandstanding and saving face as an essential part of the Washington's web of lies.
Tough words from a tough guy. That is until bibi shows up gives him a good slapping. This alleged phone conversation sounds more like a press release. I'm hoping that it is. It'll appease the neocons and avoids actually offending Putin. And I'm sure Putin understands the need for grandstanding and saving face as an essential part of Washington's web of lies.
Bibi will too if he shows up
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2015/02/09/2915… , there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
First thought was–that's probably effectively an appeal for a deal to help him 'save face'. But USg's kind of at a 'red line' for Russia…so that's probably impossible.
There's a quantitative problem for this extra weapons bit: If 6% actually showing up for their draft… who's going to be using the new super wammadyne -extra gentle and even 'defensive'- weapons? Not having done that math—-I'll just slip in a total guess here: they don't mean 'weapons,' they mean mercs. ….or if not necessarily in this case, there could be merc business interests to consider as pushing wars eventually.
Obama is very unlikely to want to do more than arm the Ukranian army. Even that is somewhat in question. One point everyone ignores is that these rebels are armed by the Russians. Everyone writing articles or posting comments here are very quick to blame the United States and very weary of placing blame on any other parties (countries, organizations etc…) for their involvement. What about the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula? It takes two to tango.
That's because the US is to blame. No coup, no Crimea annexation. Plus one was bloody and one wasn't.
Boy it was so since catherine the great.
And Obama and his henchpersons perpetrated the original coup in the Ukraine that precipitated these events, including the use of the CIA's sniper technique.. It's just been on British television.
Another example of why electing amateurs to high office is foolish. Theoretically, the US election process should weed out the incompetents before election day. But because the press is also incompetent and do not ask the necessary questions of the candidates the weeding does not get done. And we end up with what we have as the elected class (most all politicians are included) – of dunces.
Michael Kenny knows the accents in Ukraine! Funny! OK, Michael — what ethnic group is the majority in Kharkov, Dniepropetrovsk, Mykolaev, Zaporozye, Herson and Odessa? Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians that support Russians in this mess.
The question to be answered is the one that started the civil war: what will Kiev junta do with tens of millions of Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians. According to Julia Timoshenko, they must be "nuked". According to Svoboda Party, Right Sector and their right-wing supporters, power need to be given to paramilitary to kill the most prominent members of Russian speaking population, but leave farmers and workers alive. Poroshenko is recommending martial law, so that the military commanders can take over local governments — is heading in the direction of allowing local military commanders to decide what to do with the population afer they are all declared "terrorists". What Russia will eventually do — if Europe does not show any backbone and plays nice with the Kiev junta — invoke right to protect, and occupy the regions where the population is at risk from the "punitive squads". R2P — plain and simple. In this case more justified then Libya. Seems that Michael Kenny does not know who is living in Ukraine, their mother tongue, and religion. The junta has opened the can of warms, and we in US are now — as is always the case with neocon wars — stuck with the consequences of our stupid troublemaking.
As for Crimea, what was stolen, has been taken back by Russia. There are no Ukrainian monuments in Crimea, but there are many monuments to the millions of Russian soldiers that defended it from the western powers, or any power that thinks it is OK to steal somebody else's land. Ukraine was Russia, Crimea the place where Russian prince Vladimir adopted Christianity, Kiev was the capital until Mongol/Tatar invasion pushed Russian capital to today's Moscow. Ukrainian Galicia was part of Polish-Lithuanian state, and then Habsburg Empire. With its language — a mixture of Russian and Polish, they indeed have not been integral part of Russia, but they seem today to be the ones DECIDING what language is the real language of Ukraine! It is all a joke, but not to people living there. Russia was more then content to let Crimea and vast Russian lands to the east and south-east remain part of Ukraine, and were willing to pay rent for Crimea. But — if the west thinks that Catholic Galicia is to be the ruler over tens of millions of Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians — it will not happen as planned. For Russia may give up much for the sake of peace, but if not respected, it will come and take back what belongs to it. Just check Bismarck's advice. With Russia, do business honestly, or DO NOT DO IT AT ALL.
The EU speaks softly, Obama wields the big stick. The idea is to scotch the propaganda claims that there is a "split" between the EU and the US. Incidentally, the "rebels" are indeed ethnic Russians but from Russia, not Ukraine. Their accent gives them away.
And of course you have heard firsthand the difference in accents.
It is good to have specialist of russian language here
President OBarnum jousts with a Congress of Carnies who perform for a Confederacy of Dunces.
Putin laughs as the headlines scream –
"never give a sucker an even break!"
(or smarten up a chump)
What's the rule, again, for sweeping your own collapsing empire into the dustbin of history?
Invade Russia.
The Minsk meeting is made for saving Poroshenko.The problem is that he has some batallions who are not regular ukrainian army.(as Azov and so on)These guys are fanatic nationalists who want to fight to the end.How to control them ? Poroshenko has no possibilities to stop them.On the side of separatists they have also decided to be out of Ukraine.They already distributed positions in their government.So I am afraid we slowly but surely move to WW3 : many thanks to Obama, the Nobel price.
Lets see,… illegally go into Afghanistan, Iraq, And many others. Accomplish very little but chaos and destruction. Gain nothing. Now want to screw with the Bear. Gonna get bit…
To be a fly on the wall during that phone call. I hope Putin gave Obama the earful he deserves and knocked the Obama ego down a few pegs.
Would not be surprised at all to find out that Obama personally didn't make the call but handed it off to one of his resident neocon lapdogs.