While the indications are that the immediate US efforts on trying to impose regime change in Venezuela will be mostly economic, the White House also seems to be going out of its way to insist that attacking the South American country militarily is still “on the table.”
Mick Mulvaney said that the president wouldn’t be doing his job if he ruled out attacking Venezuela, telling reporters he is looking at that idea “extraordinarily closely” after having endorsed opposition leader Juan Guaido as president.
According to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) it’s more than just not ruling out the idea. The hawkish senator reported that President Trump brought up the idea is a recent discussion with him and is “really hawkish” on Venezuela.
Graham says he advised Trump that attacking “could be problematic.” Trump was apparently shocked at this, expressing the belief that he thought Graham “wants to invade everybody.”
Trump’s big supporter on this seems to be Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), who says he believes “it’s just a matter of time” before there is regime change, and questions only “whether it will be peaceful or bloody.”
Trump has been on board with either since taking office, and has been talking up regime change virtually since taking office. This has included calling for coups d’etats in Venezuela, and repeatedly bringing up the idea of military intervention.
Yeah, right, like Trump wants to own that clusterfrack.
This is mostly Bolton’s baby; since his November 2018 ‘Troika of Tyranny’ Axis of Evil speech he’s been after Maduro. After Erdogan all but put his tail on a spike, Bolton needs a policy win. He’s been careful to not headline this project all by himself, putting Pence, Pompeo, and Trump in the limelight.
This situation probably makes no sense to Trump. The U.S. already has Venezuelan oil; the country is geographically and technologically bound to sell primarily to U.S. Gulf refineries. Its an economic black hole for Russian and Chinese support, a kind of economic-diplomatic Vietnam for the Eurasians; no blood but costly in treasure including social capital.
Declining Venezuelan production had no impact on Trump’s oil price crash, nor is the Venezuelan consumer market critical for U.S. exporters. Venezuelan oil accounts for around 7% of U.S. oil imports, but U.S. and allied oil producers are more than happy to take Venezuela’s market share. Since Venezuela’s oil industry isn’t pumping any more, its good for U.S. long-term interests to have that oil for the future.
It would be very surprising if Trump takes military action. If Brazil won’t do an intervention, no one will.
Why wouldn’t a real estate hustler like Trump want to rig the market by installing another oil puppet ? He gains politically if he gets to claim another McCarthy like “victory” over socialism despite the fact the US has always treated South American countries like slave plantations.
They’ll use CIA militants since they can’t get support for yet another illegal intervention with our own troops. We’re too busy shuffling them around the mid east pretending as if we’re ending the illegal assault on Syria, or that we’ll abandon the poppy fields in Afghanistan.
It’s world domination or bust for these psychopaths.
Interesting to see how the CIA/mercenary effort plays out. Normally, these efforts are combated with repression of the 5th column, and it results in a US media campaign proving the target regime as “brutal”. Or, the 5th column succeeds. It’s a seeming win/win for the CIA. Venezuela has Cuban help now tho, and they are experienced with CIA filth.
Yeah, but Venezuelans aren’t a violent people. Their internal violence can be bad, but not on the level of an El Salvador or Guatemala.
Certainly not on the scale of the Islamic State or DAESH, or Ukrainian Nazis, which the Deep State excels in cultivating. Chavez and Maduro’s pumped up militias aren’t state death squads.
Hopefully none of the sides in Venezuela become violently radicalized no matter what the provocation or incentive, especially by outside intervenors, to do so.
“This is mostly Bolton’s baby”
And does Bolton not work for, and presumably take orders from, Trump?
Bolton works for himself; Trump can give the orders, but Bolton will have his own interpretations as will his non-Trump political sponsors.
The check-and-balance system makes the U.S. an awkward dictatorship when the elites are divided.
Prediction: We’ll get posturing, and the “fire and fury” rhetoric, then Bolton will be humiliated and fired and furious.
(But perhaps not. So far we have the NK “Fire and Fury”, which Trump then converted into an ongoing peace initiative, with the two Koreas working independently and feverishly toward peace and re-unification. Then there’s Syria, where Trump terminated ISISand now has yet again gone against the war-mongers — ie almost the entire DC Establishment — and ***declared and begun*** the US draw down. So that’s two data points. Now we have Venezuela, where the “mail-order coup” has zero chance of succeeding absent military action. Here I predict an economic war accompanied by “Bad Cop” rhetoric, all to little effect; perhaps even strengthening the Maduro govt by unifying the country — all but the most extreme, US-funded opposition — against a common enemy.
So here we have Trump’s genius political instincts on display(?) Counter-intuitively, he brings Pompeo, Bolton, and Abrams in close and keeps them close, which allows Trump to mollify the Neocons, the primary source of regime-change interventionism, while simultaneously neutering them by using their “expertise” to point him in the “right” direction, the opposite direction to their advice. It’s crazy, I know. I don’t think I even believe it, … yet,… ? So let’s see what happens in Venezuela.)
Its either 4D chess or remarkable luck…
I suppose the magnificent military successes of the USA this century have made this choice easy. Since there is even a suggestion that the Afghanistan war may possibly end in 18 months, there must be a quick replacement to ensure the USA does not have any possible period of too few military adventures destroying people outside the USA while doing nothing to make the lives of 99% of US citizens decent, as long as the rich and the corporations profit.
I think England should allow Venezuela to have some its own money and let them buy wheat and food for the people . It is hard to tell if Venezuela is fall apart because of England’s freezing of Venezuela’s gold and money or just more proof soicalism does not work.
In Venezuela, invading US troops will be showered with rose-petals and greeted as liberators by a conquered & adoring native population.
Don’t forget the invasion will pay for itself and be over in a couple months.
Perhaps Mexico will pay for it ?
Mexico, Venezuela, Honduras, Haiti
In Trump’s mind they’re all the same
And candies
Don’t forget the candies
It will be a cakewalk. A slam dunk.
ps: just like in Eyerack and Afghanistan.
Again, this would be completely illegal,but since the usa is above morality,above the law and god blessed in all that it does,it seems a mute point…Salute the flag boys and girls and always support the troopers who are fighting for democracy,freedom,god and bs(above all).
Few Latin American [countries] have ever had a government that represents the majority indigenous people or a president who was not of Spanish descent. Chavez in Venezuela perhaps was the longest lasting indigenous leader. His successor Maduro is also indigenous.
Indigenous Latin American leaders are unacceptable to Washington, because they tend to be reformers who represent their country’s people instead of American business and financial interests. Consequently, when a Latin electorate elects a leader who will put them first, Washington overthrows the leader. This is the history of US/Latin American relations.
“This is the history of US/Latin American relations.”
Thanks for the link. Rick Sanchez is great
If Graham speaks the truth that should end forever the persistent myth that President Trump is a peace-seeker. If Graham speaks the truth then President Trump is a war-hawk among war-hawks and a lot of commentators will have to change their tunes.
Trump is just one big lie just like Obama. I voted for both of them 1st term only. Voting is a complete waste of time. Especially when the entire government is owned by the Evil rich. Time to let it delegitimize itself out of existence.
Glenn Greenwald on “The Dramatic Scandal Swallowing the Bolsonaro Presidency” — https://youtu.be/4edeJiqY41E
Brazil sounds a lot like the US, or is that the other way around ?
“Graham says that he advised Trump that attacking “could be problematic”
Man bites dog.
It is incorrect of the US administration to portray Maduro as dangerous because he is described as a left wing leader. If ideological compatibility was the only criterion for judging someone suitable Washington would treat President Ngunyen Phu Trong of Vietnam or YPG commander General Sipan Hemo in exactly the same vein.
This struggle is about power, manifested as interest, which has been present in every conflict of the past – no exception. It is the underlying motivation for war. Other cultural factors might change, but not power. Interest cuts across all apparently unifying principles: family, kin, nation, religion, ideology, politics – everything. We unite with the enemies of our principles, because that is what serves our interest. It is power, not any of the above concepts, that is the cause of war.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
Peter McLoughlin, you’re 100% right, it’s quite incorrect of the US administration to portray Maduro as dangerous, simply because he’s described as a left wing leader. As you said, if ideological compatibility was the only criterion for judging someone suitable Washington would treat President Ngunyen Phu Trong of Vietnam or YPG General Sipan Hemo in exactly the same vein.
I agree, this struggle’s about power, manifested as interest, which has been present in every conflict of the past – no exception. It’s the underlying motivation for war, pure and simple. Other cultures might change, but not power. Interest cuts across all apparently unifying principles: family, kin, nation, religion, ideology, politics – everything. We unite with the enemies of our principles, because that’s what serves our interest. It’s power, not any of the above concepts, that’s the cause of war. How right you are, Peter; you nailed this one perfectly.
Can we strap Graham to the first cruise missile to be shot into the country?
To glory
for god and country
bless our bombs
bring freedom
from life
For oil
for contracts
for anglo-domination
for profit
above it all
Wave that polluted flag
point that disgraced musket
manifest destiny
for centuries
we own this hemisphere
It has emerged US Vice President Mike Pence phoned Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido last week urging him to make the unprecedented move to declare himself the “acting president”, and denounce the incumbent leader Nicolas Maduro as a “usurper.”
Now the newly declared “president” is in hiding. Sure sign of true leadership right there !
I`m sure Pence, Bolton and Pompeo got a hotline to their puppet.
I’d bet my paycheck on that. I think it’s part of the bluff(?) to have him hide so it looks like he’s waiting for US forces to attack.
Trump’s neoconservative, pathologically pro-war Nat Sec Adviser John Bolton holding out a notepad with “5,000 troops to Colombia” on it, for journalists to easily take a photo of, is likely not an accident.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13ab67f985ce274601e2815a0b68fb2c0021e8e7d182ee8e7af512853eb7ade3.jpg This is a threat to Venezuela, without him having to saying it directly.
Once again there is a big difference between gunboat diplomacy, which is what this was called for decades and an actual military invasion. If Trump does invade then he should be charged with war crimes and sent to prison. But I’m not slightly worried because HE has no plans to invade. The military of course has all kinds of plans to invade, lots of plans, lots of options etc. etc. etc. They have a table full of options for invading every country on Earth and Probably Mars too. All those options are constantly “on the table” because they are actual options. Everything from nuking them to bribing them is “on the table” of options at all times regardless of diplomatic status.
This is none of our business and Trump is wrong for using gunboat diplomacy, but keep in mind that part of gunboat diplomacy is that they must think you are willing to use those gunboats. It doesn’t work if you come right out and say, we will never attack. The threat from the gunboats goes away if they know you will not use them, right? Trump blurted out that “we are not considering anything”. That was far closer to the truth that this constant refrain of “Trump’s going to attack”, that’s my opinion and I base that opinion on his actions in regards to North Korea. Ton’s of bluster and demands, etc.etc. and then offers for peace. I’d be surprised if when this is over that Trump doesn’t come out smelling like a rose. My guess is that eventually, Maduro will accept new elections and that as soon as he does, the West will start pouring aid into the country to stabilize it. That’s my prediction and we will see who has a better grasp on this, me or the people who seem to be in love with the Idea that Trump is nothing but your typical neo-con.
But whatever, if you guys think Trump is going to invade and are really this convinced then why aren’t you guys organizing protests and getting out in the streets? If I thought he was planning to invade that’s where I would be.
It’s an interesting anti-war crowd who will sit around on their behinds bitching all day about how horrible Trump is but who will NOT get off their asses and protest. I’m about sick of it. If you guys think Trump is going to invade, then why the hell are you guys sitting on your computers preaching to the choir all day?
Honestly if you are all half as convinced as you declare yourselves to be then why are you here instead of out protesting? Either you are all too lazy, not really as sure as you want us to believe, not organized at all, not really that dedicated, etc. etc. It makes zero sense to claim that Trump is this horrible guy dragging us deeper into war while sitting around doing nothing about it. Which is it guys? Is Trump a danger and you are just to lazy or unorganized to do anything about it or do you all not really believe the BS you are preaching?
This is my prediction, Trump will NOT invade, he will finish getting Troops out of Syria and eventually Afghanistan, the Yemen war will not start up in full way again either. North and South Korea will draw closer together making any chance of war between us slimmer and slimmer regardless of what NK does with it’s nukes.
That is why I’m not out protesting. It’s because I think Trump is on the right path. Far from perfect but he is moving us in the right direction. It’s also my Prediction and if my predictions are accurate (they have been so far), then it shows that my grasp of reality is pretty spot on. Now all you doom and gloom Trump’s a neo-con crowd can stack your predictions up against mine and we can see who has a firmer grasp on what is actually going on. Give it a shot. Post your best predictions and lets see who really understands what’s going on and who doesn’t. Are any of you wizards gong to put your predictions in writing with the stipulation that you admit you are wrong about Trump, if you get it wrong?
My guess is that none of you will actually accept this challenge, you will hedge your bets and say that you don’t really think he’s going to attack either, but deep down you still know he really wants to right? And that’s kinda my point, regardless of what he actually does there is a crowd here who believes they know what he is Thinking. Well if you all know what he is Thinking then put your predictions down here and be willing to admit you are wrong about Trump if you can’t actually predict what he will do.
Anyone willing to actually go out on a limb and predict that Trump will invade? It’s my prediction that he will not. I’m willing to bet that he will not and if I’m wrong I will never say one positive word about Trump again and I will do everything I can to protest against him directly with the hopes of him being put in prison. Once again, If I’m wrong, I will completely and totally call for Trump to be tossed in prison and I will never say another positive word about him. I will 100% fully admit I’m wrong. Are any of you guys sure enough in your understanding to make the opposite prediction? Will even one of you bet that Trump does invade but that if he doesn’t you will admit you were wrong about Trump and that you don’t really have any idea what he is going to do and what he isn’t?
Here is another prediction. Not one of you will go out on a limb and actually bet that he invades, why? Because none of you really think he will, it’s the same reason you are not out protesting. You guys just enjoy having a boogieman and since the President, regardless of who is in office, has been that boogieman for so long that it’s become almost comforting to believe Trump is the same. In my opinion that’s a just a lazy way to look at things, it’s the easy way out, just call them all warmongers and blame anything that isn’t 100% non-intervention as pure evil and the fault of the president. It’s lazy but it works, don’t think I’m right? Well prove me wrong. Go ahead and predict that Trump will invade and be willing to admit you are wrong when he doesn’t.
Our sanctions and covert actions are gun boat diplomacy and you’re suffering from a severe case of inverted TDS.
Yes they are gunboat diplomacy and I’m against that, clearly. I’ve said so over and over. We should mind our own business. But it’s not an invasion. If you think we will invade then make your prediction or get off your ass and protest, etc. etc. etc. But if you are not even willing to make a prediction and put any of your skin on the line at all then why should I take anything you say seriously? You guys sit around and bitch about Trump all day but you don’t go out and do anything about it, so how serious should I take you?
You guys are saying; He will invade or that his sanctions are an act of war, etc., then you turn around and are not even willing to make a simple bet on your prediction or protest or do anything at all but bitch. In other words when push comes to shove you want it both ways. You want to claim he’s this big war monger but you won’t even do anything about it either way and you don’t even have the actual conviction to make a prediction for fear you are wrong. So tell me again, why I should take any of you guys seriously? Right or wrong you are still just going to sit on your ass and do nothing, tell me I’m wrong?
And it’s not just me. I’m more inclined to take you seriously than the average Joe in the streets. Now if you can’t get me to take you seriously, imagine what the anti-war crowd looks like from outside?? What does the outsider see when looking at this place? They see a group of people who claim to know things that don’t come true and who don’t seem to have the courage of their convictions in the least.
By the way, none of you can claim to have any special insight into what Trump will do if you are not even willing to make a prediction in the first place. Is he going to invade or not? I predict he will not and I’m willing to 100% completely toss Trump from my consideration as a decent human if he does. I will support him being tossed in prison and I will go out and protest. That’s my prediction and my bet, now make yours? Are you really saying that you believe Trump will invade? If so, then have the damn guts to come out and say it. If you don’t have the guts then have the decency to stop pretending you have him figured out. And this isn’t just singling you out. This goes for everyone on this site who continues to claim the know what Trump is and that he’s nothing but a war monger.
It’s an invasion of that country’s right to self govern and control it’s own natural resources.
In actuality the US empire is invading the entire planet.
That however, doesn’t belong entirely to Trump, although he’s been very clear(and honest) about pillaging these countries for their natural resources.
Come on man, don’t be so silly. There is a huge difference between going in and blowing up the place and using gunboat diplomacy. How on earth is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you pretend they are the exact same thing? Make up your mind, is he going to use the military to invade or not? If he’s not going to use the military then man up and admit you don’t think he is going to invade. Stop trying to have it both ways.
Do you believe he will invade or not? Damn man that’s not a hard question. And no the answer isn’t to claim it’s the same thing either way. Being mealymouthed and talking out of the side of your face doesn’t cut it.
If he’s being clear and honest about “Taking the oil” show me where he actually “took the Oil”. Or could it be he just says all kinds of things because they make sense in a goofy way to his base? When I hear him say that it sounds like a dog whistle actually. What’s he supposed to do, set up a government run oil company and pump the oil? Of all the goofy things Trump says why would you call that line of BS “Clear and Honest”. Find me one place where he simply went in and started pumping oil out. He might think it makes sense even, but he also knows it’s never going to happen.
Trump is a Mercantalist and a “realist” in foreign policy. Honestly, in any normal day and age I’d be against all of that. But when it’s used as the only way out of these wars, that is acceptable to the greater powers that be, then what can you do but applaud it? In the real world we have actual real choices. Our choice right now is to back a mercantalist in the hopes that it will hold the neo-cons and liberal interventionists at bay, while getting us out of the messes created by the past four presidents.
I guess I could sit and rail against the imperfect and be the virtue signaling type. That’s easy to do as an anti-war person. Trust me I know, because that’s who I was too. All you have to do is be against them all the time and you are “virtuous” it’s easy as pie. Your anti-war friends will applaud, you always stay consistent, etc. etc. etc.
The harder road was to support Trump from the very beginning because if you are wrong, you look like an ass and you get no extra points either way. There is no upside as an anti-war person to support Trump unless he comes through, right?
Yet, what choice do I have in the real world? Trump was only person who could shake this shit up and have it come out better. And look at the results? Everyone claims he’s a “Mixed bag” or something like that. But that’s not the way to look at him. He isn’t a “mixed bag” he has a fundamentally different foreign policy on many levels, some of them good and some of them no better than before. But are any of them worse? No, so where is the trend line headed under Trump?
And think about this. Where does Trump’s move towards less intervention leave the Democrats? Do you really think they have a choice but to be even more anti-war than Trump? Do you think that a Democrat is going to win the nomination who is running to the right, like Hillary tried to do and failed? Hell no, Trump shifted the Overton window. It’s now acceptable for Republicans to call for getting out. And it was the Republicans that had to change. This is why. As long as the Republicans were the party of war the Overton window was never going to shift. The left could stay right where they were, still pro-war still R2P and all that same crap because they could still claim to be Slightly less warmongering than the Repups are. Now they have to go to the “left” what other choice do they have?
Like Trump or not, his moves towards getting us out of these wars has shifted the Overton Window and Democrats are now in no position to do anything but continue to move with that change. They dare not nominate anyone who runs to right, they will lose and they know it. Thanks to Trump our next president will either be him or an anti-war Democrat.
Personally, it was so clear to me that this was going to happen that I could never understand all the hatred towards Trump from anti-war people. The shift had to come from a Republican and Trump did it, no one else could have. I”m pretty sure that Justin saw the same thing and that’s why he went all in for Trump. It was either Trump or nobody and guess what? It worked, one way or another we will not be elected another president who agrees with the neo-con foreign policy. The shift had to come from the Right and if it wasn’t for Trump it would not be happening right now. Watch and see what happens in the Democratic debates.
Denying people food and medicine had the very same result. You’re nit picking and trying to say shooting people in the head and killing them is different than shooting them in the chest and killing them.
Siege warfare has been around forever and just recently got renamed sanctions for PC purposes.
Critical thinking escapes you once again.
You are so infected with inverted TDS you can’t even admit starving poor people to death for political reasons isn’t murder.
The only reasons we aren’t invading is because we can no longer recruit enough dummies to fight all the illegal wars we’re already in. Add to that the fact that even sociopaths, like the ones Trump surrounds himself with, know they would have mass demonstrations not only from the citizenry but business leaders as well, and it’s fairly evident why only the CIA goons are there.
No I’m not nitpicking. We should not be putting any sanctions on them, how many times do I have to repeat myself. I do not favor sanctions. However, I do not try and claim they are the same because they are not the same.
And you think it’s logical to say we don’t have enough troops. Are you really that ill-informed? It doesn’t take that many troops to take out a small country like Venezuela. If they wanted to do it they could, easily too.
I expect to see more sanctions, more threats, etc.etc. etc. This is the Korea Model, I’m against it. But don’t be surprised to see the same results as in North Korea. This will be followed with economic relief, trade, etc. That’s the Mercantalist policy in action. And it sucks but it should not be confused with an invasion. It doesn’t help anything to pretend they are the same thing. In fact it makes our side look silly, just like crying wolf does in any other situation.
I am not in favor of sanctions, I do not favor Gunboat diplomacy. But I also know the difference between Gunboat Diplomacy and a military invasion and guess what? So does everyone else in the world, denying the reality seen by everyone but you doesn’t make you right. Or let me put it to you this way. If everyone else sees an elephant and you see a squirrel someone needs to get their head checked and it might be you.
They have exactly the same result. You’re just not willing to admit siege warfare is warfare.
No they do not have “the exact same results”. Yet another reason why I can’t take you seriously.
Oh and Dave. As you think you know so much about this why not make a prediction like I asked? Are you are are you not willing to predict an invasion? You keep dodging the question.
I think I’m pretty much spot on in my predictions, so why don’t you make one for a change and see how well your understanding of how Trump actually works stacks up against mine?
Or are you now officially saying you are predicting he will not invade? If you won’t pick either one or the other than you can’t claim to actually know much about any of this can you? A person who knows as much as you should easily be able to make at least one accurate prediction after all this time right? So give it a shot. So far the only people getting their predictions right are people who think like me. I think that shows that my understanding of what is going on is a little better than yours and until you start accurately predicting what will happen, instead of always being wrong, who could blame me?
So one more time, Will Trump invade or not?
Are you not willing ? Why do I have to “predict” anything ? Why don’t you just be honest and state you are just another Trump cheer leader who thinks a top down solution by a reality TV host and con man trust fund baby is going to save you ??
You don’t have to do anything, but if you want me to believe you have a firm grasp on the situation you should. Otherwise I’ll just assume you are talking out of your ass like always.
Are you willing to throw trump in prison for sending 3000 marines into Syria, and launching 100ooo 155mm shells into it ? Or launching missile and air attacks against it, escalating Obama’s crime geometrically?
No I’m not because we created ISIS and Obama had already started the war against them. I also have to weight this against the fact that one of the very first things Trump did in Syria was to stop funding most of the rebels, with the exception of the Kurds who were fighting our creation ISIS.
Trumps moves in Syria compared with Hillary likely saved the lives of Hundreds of thousands of lives. I’m supposed to throw him in prison for Trying to kill off ISIS and at the same time saving the lives of who knows how many people from the terrorists who we were arming before Trump showed up?
You are nuts. Trump didn’t create ISIS, nor did he start our war in Syria, but he did help end in if you compare his actions with that of Obama and Hillary and with what Hillary herself promised to do in Syia.
Throw him in Prison? LOL Sure and instead we would have had Hillary who promised to arm the rebels even more and who promised to confront Russia, etc. etc. etc.
You are one of the dumbest people on the planet if you can’t see the difference between trying to end a war started by other people against a group like ISIS and bombing the snot out of a nation like Venezuela.
idiot
Ah, you earned a trumpU BS degree for that word salad.
I don’t believe this for a second. Mr Trump has always clearly and passionately spoken out against the evils of interventionism. Who’s ready to ride the PEACE TRAIN?
Please continue to sell out all your intelligent, misguided supporters.
Neither do I, Mork, President Trump’s always clearly and passionately spoken out against the evils of interventionism. I’ve been ready to ride the Peace Train for 3 years.
I think Mork was being a bit sarcastic.
Ah come on Mork, (M)ake (A)nother (G)uantanamo (A)lready !!!
We have to have someplace to keep all those wall climbers and tunnelers !!!
I support a UN-backed invasion of the United States, complete regime change top to bottom of all the political (both parties), economic, and military Elites of the country, arresting them all, charging them with war crimes, crimes against humanity (sanctions are a crime against humanity), torture and rendition, crimes against Nature and the environment, and under the Nuremberg trial principles hanging a goodly several hundred of them and sentencing many of the rest of them to 10-30+ years. For all the crimes against Afghanistan, iraq, Syria, Libya and now Venezuela. and that’s just for starters.
that’s the kind of regime change I believe in.
poor Venezuela has been tortured for some 20 years by these scoundrels in both political parties in the US.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-us-sanctions-united-nations-oil-pdvsa-a8748201.html
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The US wants to liberate Venezuela’s poor? A tissue of lies wrapped round a turd of a premise. Everybody knows they want to liberate Venezuela’s oil.
US is always willing to kill a few hundred thousand of your people if there is a bad guy mistreating them. If you have oil, anyway.