When the Trump Administration withdrew from the P5+1 nuclear deal, they began talking about a “plan B.” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has set out the US strategy post-deal this week, threatening the “strongest sanctions in history” and setting out an incredibly broad set of 12 demands.
Despite Pompeo’s insistence that the demands are “basic requirements,” they are anything but, and analysts and former officials broadly agree that this leaves no room for new diplomacy between the US and Iran. Threats and demands are the tired old US strategy toward Iran, one that has failed for the better part of 40 years.
The point of this is to go back to the pre-deal situation, when the US was threatening to attack Iran constantly on the slightest pretext. “Plan B” ultimately has meant setting the stage for a massive US war with Iran.
Trita Parsi was quoted as saying that “plan B” was completely unrealistic and designed to fail, paving the way for “plan C, which is most likely war.” This is in keeping with virtually everything the administration has said since withdrawing from the deal, and they seem to be laying the groundwork for such a war.
Plan B – breathtaking buffoonery bought and brought to you by bibi.
It is only buffoonery until it kills people. That seems to be coming.
It’s not stupidity, it’s the path to total global power. Saudi Aramco IPO will feed 20-40 TRILLION into their hands. Zuckerberg and Kushner are BFF’s with MBS – 20-40 TRILLION can buy the world.
The Iranians can never meet even one of Pompeo’s demands. But that was the intention.
Plan B for Bolton.
“Threats and demands are the tired old US strategy toward Iran, one that has failed for the better part of 40 years.”
Failed? They got exactly what they wanted. Now they want war, and they might get that too.
It is like the Austrian demands to Serbia in 1914, or the US demands to Spain in 1898, meant to be impossible to accept, and the actual attempts to accept them rejected out of hand.
Bombing Serbia ’99 succeeded in Serbia pulling out its army from Kosovo.
Bombing Iran may result in Iran giving up one or more parts of it. Surely, US would not dare invade Iran; so, it seems, it can only bomb some Iranian spots.
And which may cause a coup d’etat against the theocratic govt and lead to Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons.
In any case–and i said this two decades ago–Iran will be under threat of minor or major bombing by even N-bombs for a long time unless it makes or acquires NW.
Theocrats must be replaced by a govt whose moral and legal obligation would be to protect its people[s] by any means whatever.
The Iran policy is just facing reality.
They either join civilization (ending terror group support and building nukes)
or face opposition from the US with sanctions.
The future is their choice.
So what you’re saying is that the US is not part of civilization (it supports terror groups and builds nukes)?
And we support real terrorists. The kind that haven’t been elected as compared to Hezbollah and Hamas.
None sense, the US (Russia, China, Pakistan, France, the UK and Israel)
Are not threatening “Death to” others.
The mullahs are.
They are locked in a death match with the Sauds, Egyptians, Israelis and other Sunni states.
IF—Iran gets nukes, the entire ME will, how smart would that be?
THEOCRACIES should not get nukes.
Just common sense.
“THEOCRACIES should not get nukes.” You mean like the Zionist enterprise? I’ll take your comments about a nuclear Iran seriously as soon as Israel joins the NPT.
Israel is not a theocratic society, in spite of your bias.
So why doesn’t Israel join the NPT?
Same reason, Pakistan, NKorea, and possibly India don’t want to.
It’s partially theocratic. Admittedly not as much so as Iran, but it has a governmental system that sets aside power for religious courts and so forth.
It is a secular govt,
minimal nods to some “religious” segments are just politics.
Really, with Jewush only roads, right to take property and water from non-Jews (both Mislem and Christian), and insist on ethnic/religious definition of state. You call this secular? No such blatant treatment of religious minorities in Iran, in spite of their “theocracy”.
Let’s compare women’s rights between Israel and Iran.
Really? It you are a Christian or a Muslim try buying property or renting an apartment in a Jewish neighborhood.
Hey, Tom,
How come my reply to you has been censored again?
I know, it’s “being flagged as spam.” Again.
This sucks! And your excuse is lame.
No, it wasn’t flagged as spam. It was flagged as potentially violating other guidelines.
I neither have nor need an “excuse.” If you don’t like the rules here, you know where the door is.
The post has four sentences. Which one “potentially violated” a guideline? And what is the guideline it potentially violated?
Iran is more theocratic than Israel. But Israel is more apartheid than Iran. Israel has more than 70 laws discriminating between Jews and Muslims. Iranian Jews are better off than Israeli Arabs or Palestinians under Israeli occupation.
See: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/irans-jews-on-life-inside-israels-enemy-state-we-feel-secure-and-happy-a6934931.html
“This land is ours; God gave this land to us”
So what, history is HISTORY.
Doesn’t mean TODAY they are walking around directed by the Arc of the Covenant.
Today they are worse. They want land but not the people who are not if their religion.
“So what, history is HISTORY.”
Exactly. That’s why, for example, the Israelis and their friends in this country never make a big deal about the Holocaust (TM) or victim-hood.
I’m not suggesting history is irrelevant,
I am saying it was their history
(being theocratic) but they aren’t anymore.
How absurd! You don’t mean to suggest the Orthodox population isn’t leading the charge against the Palestinians in occupied east Jerusalem and for the colonization of the West Bank? These folks are an important part of Bibi’s support.
That is “absurd” the “orthodox” group is shrinking year over year and has
little decision making power, other than just another voting bloc.
Try giving some facts, not just call others biased.
Bibi isn’t a cleric, like the ruler of Iran.
You seem to be confused as to what the definition of “terrorism” is.
It’s not “threatening ‘Death to’ others” (although yes, the US both does that and follows through on it).
It’s attacking or threatening to attack civilian non-combatants for the purpose of creating terror pursuant to political goals.
Does the word “Hiroshima” ring any bells? How about “Mutual Assured Destruction?” Or suggesting that if Abdulrahman al-Awlaki didn’t want to be killed he “should have a more responsible father?”
Hezbollah is not a terror organization funded and directed by Iran?
No Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. They are a political party and an army and currently the biggest party in Lebanon and a major force resisting terrorism in the region. People like stokr can look at long lists of Israeli violence and aggressive war and keep yelling “Hamas! Hezbollah!” like that makes constant land grabbing and violence by Israel OK. It isn’t.
Israel is a state without any moral compass, and has a perpetual embrace of subjugation, terror, and mass murder that are revered within many sectors Zionist society.
The EU has named Hezbollah’s military wing, a terrorist group.
The problem with Hezbollah is that it is a non-state secretarian military actor. Unlike the rest of the Lebanese militias after the civil war, which ceded sovereignty to the Lebanese government, Hezbollah retains its’ forces and does not relinquish sovereignty. The result is Lebanon can find itself at war with the Zionists at any time, a prospect that the rest of Lebanon would rather avoid. So Hezbollah is well hated for good reasons.
They are also well-loved and well-voted-for, for some of the same reasons and because they keep things running.
Isn’t Hezbollah now a major part of the Lebanese government? Why are they still considered a “nonstate actor?”
Not any more than the French Resistance. Let’s remember Hezbollah kicked the Israelis out of south Lebanon. Of course any outfit which fights the Zionist enterprise is automatically designated by Uncle Sam as a “terrorist” organization.
The EU has them as a terror organization, so I guess you “think” everybody else is wrong?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-hezbollah/eu-adds-hezbollahs-military-wing-to-terrorism-list-idUSBRE96K0DA20130722
You bet. 1000 fools don’t make a wise man.
Every political jurisdiction in the world knows what Hezbollah is and what it is about, wise up.
We don’t “think everybody else is wrong.” Just those, like you, who are under Zionist influence/control
The EU, the US, the Arab League, and the UN agree with me,
so who do you have?
Hezbollah is a legitimate resistance group founded to counter Zionist terror, and Israel’s land theft in Lebanon after the illegal 1982 war upon Lebanon. If Hezbollah get’s indirect support from Iran, that is great since Iran is a far more legitimate, and worthy country than Israel will ever be.
Yay, an off the hook THEOCRATIC, dictatorship is your best bet to live “Antiwar”, you are so confused.
Here see what Arabs have to say:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/19/middleeast/saudi-arabia-iran-arab-league/index.html
Hassan Nasrallah gave a speech two months ago about how he’s totally loyal to Ali Khamenei over the Lebanese Constitution. Half of Lebanon wants him dead, is rather pleased with the aggressive US stance against Iran, and is ready to go to war allied with the Americans against Hezbollah.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/87dfaf67bbed0993000e136b85f03f118377c69efd31a37b77a0c7cc91bcb0e7.png
No, it is NOT. Check your facts. It is Lebanese militia, that played a crucial role in REPELLING Israeli tanks out of Lebanon. By that time, brave Israeli Army had bimbed many Beirut apartment buildings and infrastructure. Since then, you cannot find easily Sunni or Christian population in Lebanon nit supporting Hezbollah. Usrael WANTS to annex Lebanon. Some Hariri French Sunni or Christian loyalists are stupid enough not to see the danger. But the rest will resist. The window of opportunity for splitting Lebanon on confessional groups has clised. Lebanon saw what was done to Syria — and learned lessons. Again, it was Hezbollah that defended Kebanese border from ISIS infiltration. Israel failed again. The udea that all will be solved by attackjng Iran is crazy. But sometimes one cannot teach anyone a lesson, unless they learn it the hard way. US should let Israel fight this one alone.
The EU, US, the Arab League and UN see them differently
“Fire and Fury” is not threatening death to others?
Massacring over 100 unarmed protestors and wounding thousands with live fire is not threatening death to others?
And if you want to disarm theocracies, how about starting with the Zionist apartheid state?
Threatening to shoot intercontinental ballistic missiles
at a US territory (Guam),
should get ANYONE “fire and fury” in return!
You can’t see that???
Palestinians in the West Bank, had no such experience, BECAUSE they were not attacking Israeli borders, that’s your clue!
Israel is not Zionist, there are Zionist there,
just like there are radical Muslims in every Arab country,
so what’s the difference?
The difference is — we threatened them for decades. And then — suddenly they have a weapon to threaten with, and the fury has no bounds! It is hard for a bully to suddenly feel — bullied!
But what brought US to the table are two things. Ine, South Korea wants the problem solved — and it can do it with ir without US approval. How long it will take for US to negotiate nuclear deal? And to get out if it even faster? South Korea wants normalized relations, and will keep moving in this direction.
Second, two intercontinental misdile tests were conducted by North Korea. Within three days. Ghey flew over Japan and into Pacific. US missile defence did not intercept them. Not just once, but twice. Japan and South Korea could draw their conclusions. US installations are not defensive — proif provided. Neither country wants to play this game any more. It is China that is underwriting this deal brtween North and South. Fir Sough and Japsn handwriting us on the wall — less exports to US. China needs to puck up the slack. Connecting Kireas brings railroad snd rnergy connectivity with Eurasia, something both Sough Kkrea and Japan need. US will have to make a decision. Go aling and participate, but not on terms of superiority, or obstruct. The later will have a shelf expuration date.
UK is a theocracy, Israel is a theocracy. So what? It matters what you do. Terrorizing cuvilian population to instil fear and obedience to a political goal. Israel is terrorizjng civilian, unarmed population in order to have them leave. And if anyone leaves for study abriad, he or she iis not allowed to return. Israel is a terrorist state by any definition.
And you, as well as Israeli occupied White House, scream about Iran.
You are not the one to learn, so let me kerp it simple. Ket us say that Iran has any means to help starving Yemen — they should be given Nobel Prize.
Theocracies with NUKES, let’s see,
what could go wrong?
Did you even read the 12 demands? They could narrow it down to one: Give up your sovereignty.
That’s not how I read it,
give up your ME ambitions of domination, drop the proxy war efforts in Yemen, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and stop building nuke systems that threaten the entire ME which will cause others (Saud, Egypt, Turkey, etc.) to all follow suit!
Their focus should be about their people and their economy, but it isn’t.
How about Israeli and US efforts to crush any middle eastern nation which does not accept American suzerainty? US intervention in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, the Yemen, etc. has worked out real good…
So funny, here you are posting on “Antiwar.com” rooting for
a NUCLEAR, THEOCRATIC, AUTHORITARIAN regime. Aaaaah!!!
They don’t have nukes or were you talking about Israel?
Iran is working to prepare for nukes,
and they are ruled by a theocratic nut-job regime!
I bet most of the world finds the got’t of Iran less dangerous, stupid and criminal than Haspel, Bolton, Pompeo and Trump. Too say nothing of Bibi and associates….
Ask the Saudis and Egyptians.
That’s what I said. Iran doesn’t have nukes.
I’m agreeing with you and
then raising the stacks with they are preping for them.
Not according to anybody other than you, Bibi and the neocons. The IAEA and our intelligence agencies say otherwise.
WHY build intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuke capable then???
You’ve been played, wars r.
Do they actually have them or are they just “prepping” to make them nuke capable like the nukes they don’t have?
They are building the entire infrastructure for producing and firing them.
While they pretend to you (et al)
that they are the most benign totalitarian, theocratic, Muslim fundamentalists on the planet.
And you (???) believe them.
In other words, they don’t have nukes and they don’t have intercontinental ballistic missiles that are nuke capable. Prepping and building stages. Gotcha.
They are developing the missiles now,
have test fired some already,
and have the infrastructure for producing weapons grade uranium.
Ah, what more do you need to know?
WHY would Trump de-certify the “agreement” IF—- Iran was a reliable party. They aren’t, never where, and NEVER even signed the 0bama “agreement”.
Inquiring minds might want to know
WHY they NEVER signed that agreement and
WHY there are areas in the country UNAVAILABLE for inspection.
However if your MIND isn’t not inquiring,
it just doesn’t matter.
So, no nukes.
Trump de-certified because Bibi and the neocons told him to.
Thomas Knapp explained to you over and over about UN resolutions but you refused to listen. I see nothing has changed.
The IAEA has access to all areas agreed upon and Iran has been in compliance. Any Israeli areas available?
Trump de-certified because the “agreement” was worthless and the Iranians were play it just to get rid of sanctions while continuing to build the infra-structure for nuke weapons, which would cause the REGION to go nuclear.
I ask you, do you “think” the rest of the ME will not nuke up if Iran does?
As in the Sauds, Egypt and Turkey for openers?
Are you really “anti-war”, or just anti israel/US?
Knapp got his lunch handed to him when I posted the UN own official description for
ending the agreement, notice we no long debate that, because there was a LEGAL way out and Trump used it.
The IAEA proved itself worthless in Saddam”s Iraq, if you want good international agreements you need stringent inspection requirements.
The US is willing to renegotiate with them, but with teeth in the deal.
Trump decertified because bibi and the neocons told him so like I said earlier. Everyone thinks the JCPOA is the most intrusive inspection regime ever agreed upon. But you, bibi and the neocons think differently. Hmmm. And being anti-war means being against all war mongering states. I’m not a jingoistic moron, like yourself, who thinks his country can do no wrong. We have 800 bases spread out over the planet and involved in multiple shooting conflicts.
No, Knapp handed you your lunch to the point you were stammering and changing your story midstream. Once he had you convinced that signatures aren’t required you went off on how it was circumventing our constitution.
The IAEA was right about Saddam and the US was wrong. That’s been a given for many years but again you hang on to the neocon bullshit propaganda that just won’t go away.
None sense, a non nuclear Iran is in US interests, just because Bibi likes it is incidental.
the JCPOA is the worse non-agreement ‘agreement” ever negotiated,
Iran even refused to sin it, HELLO!
Oh, wars, stooping to name-calling, for the record i do not support everything US and or Israeli. I am more Libertarian than you might imagine and would heartily endorse reducing the number of US overseas bases by half ASAP.
You didn’t hang around for the finally with Knapp, his only recourse was to repeat (over and over) the binding nature of a UN resolution, in spite of the overwhelming legal analysis I gave him. So I searched the UN’s OWN documentation re. JCPOA and right THERE was a description for how it could be terminated! Badabing!
The IAEA could not get to all Saddam sites, that was the issue then and was the issue with the Iranians, and don’t give me, “yeah but the IAEA never asked to go to military sites” (which Iran said it would not allow).
You are not anti-war, wars,
you WANT a theocratic, Muslim radical cleric regime to have nuclear capability in the very quiet, stable and reasonable region of the Middle East!!!!!!!!!!
Now that’s “anti-war”, HAAAA, you can’t make this up!
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Learn how to spell. It’s hard to take anyone serious who doesn’t know how to spell.
NONSENSE(not none sense). Iran DOESN’T have nukes.
So your saying “Iran even refused to sin(your spelling)it”. And yet you say Iran negotiated the deal just to get rid of the sanctions implying that the deal was most favorable for them and they took advantage of Obama. And yet they still refused to “sin” it?
Your a Zionist if there ever was one. You condoned the cold blooded murder of unarmed protesters.
I hung around long enough to see Knapp bitch slap you into submission. You even said “got it, but it’s over” at one point. Of course you went back to your idiocy shortly after.
The IAEA said Saddam didn’t have nukes and they were right and we were wrong. The IAEA says Iran doesn’t have nukes as does our intelligence agencies. If the IAEA thought Iran was producing nukes on military sites they could demand access to those sites. Iran has been compliant in granting the IAEA access to anywhere they deem necessary to inspect.
I don’t want anyone to have nukes including the apartheid practicing parasite. Unfortunately the parasite has them and we’re going to go to war with someone that doesn’t at the behest of the parasite.
My apologies, it’s a busy morning here and I should have proof read first.
Correct, they did NOT sign it.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/11/state-department-iran-deal-not-legally-binding-signed/
I am opposed to every form of islamo terror, which includes Hamas.
Hardly a “Zionist”, but I understand you need your mythologies to maintain
exaggerated feelings of moral superiority.
Re. Knap, I pasted the JCPOA resolution ITSELF, with the clause relating to steps needed to TERMINATE it, that shut down Knap, it was gold.
The JCPOA was not in any way effective in deterring the totalitarian, radical Muslim theocracy of Iran from building a nuclear arsenal.
It had to be scrapped.
You want anti-war, how about a nuclear NON-proliferation agreement worldwide, including Israel? Let’s start by stopping proliferation and stair steps DOWN to disarming those that have them?
Proof read my ass. You’ve used “none sense” more than once.
You use Iran not signing as reason for the resolution being bogus but you won’t explain why Iran wouldn’t sign when they took advantage of a weak Obama to get the agreement in the first place. Maybe because no “signatures” were required.
You’re more of a Zionist than a Libertarian that’s for certain. And unarmed protesters aren’t a form of “islamo terror”. Also, I have yet to meet a Libertarian that is OK with us only ridding ourselves of only “half” of our worldwide military bases. They should all be shuttered immediately.
The JCPOA was indeed effective in deterring “radical Muslim theocracy” from building a nuke. I’ll take the word of the IAEA and our spooks over you, bibi and the neocons any day. And do you use the “radical Muslim theocracy” label as a way of proving that they must be developing a nuke?
I’m all for non proliferation agreement but I really doubt you are.
From stokr:
It means,
YES they have them, and
YES, for damned good reason.
YES they haven’t used them and
YES because they are not Muslim- nut-job-jihados so
YES, it is rational and acceptable, in fact preferable.
Nonsense, lol.
I told Knap there was a LEGAL way out of a UN resolution, and backed it with numerous legal opinions.
He could not provide even ONE legal analysis to back his contention. Realizing that he would only accept information from the UN directly, I searched THE resolution and copied the withdrawal clauses.
That was the END of it. The de-certification, was LEGAL.
I said “more” of a Libertarian than you would think, I am not a strident ideologue.
The “unarmed protesters” were USED to create a propaganda moment. They hurled stones, Molotov cocktails, incendiary devices, in some case were armed and attempted to breach the border fence.
By Hamas’s own admission 50 of the dead were Hamas fighters. The Palestinians in the West Bank didn’t “protest” (read that didn’t riot) so they were fine. Note to self, attack a border, get hurt.
As a realist and Libertarian, I said half our military overseas ASAP, not everything all at once, terribly destabilizing. It wasn’t built in a day and our withdrawal should be planned. Nevertheless HALF could be accomplished in fairly short order.
The JCPOA was a cheap ruse for the gullible and the greedy, and it’s over now, time to move on.
Well if you are for worldwide non-proliferation agreements, the starting points are with NKorea and Iran, no excuses.
“Well if you are for worldwide non-proliferation agreements, the starting points are with NKorea and Iran, no excuses.”
There’s already a worldwide non-proliferation agreement. It’s called the Non-Proliferation Treaty. So far as IAEA has been able to tell, Iran is and has been in compliance with it. The US openly declares its non-compliance.
As far as legal opinions are concerned, I provided you with the UN’s own legal opinion upon your request (perhaps you forgot about that?).
I agree that there are at least two ways for the US to withdraw from the JCPOA. All it has to do is either withdraw from the UN, or convince the Security Council to repeal Resolution 2231. Yes, the JCPOA, and the resolution codifying it, have provisions under which the US can take punitive measures if another party is not in compliance. That’s part of the JCPOA, not “withdrawal from” the JCPOA.
And no, the JCPOA is not “over now.” In addition to it remaining both international law and part of the supreme law of the United States, six of the seven parties to it are still complying with it.
Yes, we all know about the Non-Proliferation Treaty. But, IAEA is toothless and until that changes cheaters will dominate and nobody with common sense will believe otherwise.
the US as a super power is not going to stand down on nukes until Russia and China match it. Once again strict inspections or no deals.
The JCPOA will remain, on paper, yes, but it is neutered and mute as anything actionable going forward. De jure, you are correct, de facto, it’s meaningless.
In fact it is “withdrawal” because the US finds Iran in violation.
Sanctions will return.
Iran, in the judgement of the US govt, was in violation, therefore the sanctions are returning to the former status quo re the USA at least.
I see nothing to disagree with there. Yes, it is de facto withdrawal. Which means the the US is in violation of its own law and international law.
No, that will not directly result in e.g. crippling UN sanctions on the US for being a rogue state. But it will further reduce US influence on the rest of the world. Which is a good thing.
By FOLLOWING the terms for non-compliance, the US is just FOLLOWING the terms in the “agreement”, which results in a RETURN to the previous status quo, SANCTIONS.
The US’s actions are LEGAL,
and within the scope of the “agreement” re a response for non-compliance.
If the US is following the terms, then it hasn’t withdrawn.
Make up your mind.
The terms provide for a “withdrawal”, which the US has elected to pursue.
Even if Hamas was using the protesters as a propaganda tool that is no justification for shooting live rounds into crowds. All that stuff hurled at the IDF and yet not a single casualty. Amazing. I guess you go by the school of thought that if you make your barbaric rules of engagement public then it’s alright to kill people who are disobeying orders regardless if they’re armed.
Why not start with Israel’s real nukes as a start to a regional non proliferation agreement instead of with a country that is only “prepping” to make them?
The whole show was rigged for maximum photo carnage,
a pox on Hamas and the stooges that elect them.
It was a staged attack to penetrate a border and could have been much worse.
If we started with Israel’s nukes, they would be immediately invaded AGAIN by all their neighbors. Nobody trusts anybody over their, so the start point is to build MUTUAL trust, then work from there.
First up, Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran agree that all current nations have a right to … exist. Wow, that’s pretty basic, doncha think?
Right. The IDF just was obliging Hamas. Never mind that the force was so disproportionate. Move on from that talk.
Israel has a dominant military and no one comes close to having anything comparable. They don’t need nukes but it’s funny you think they need them for a deterrent. Iran doesn’t?
And let’s have Israel recognize that same fact when it comes to the Palestinians.
In a conflict “disproportionate” is ridiculous.
Do you “think” the Hamas Palestinians didn’t know going in that it was “disproportionate”?
Their propaganda DEPENDS on “disproportionate”.
Israel is surrounded by Islamic, homicidal, haters, Iran is not.
Re. the Palestinians, not recognizing the right to … exist
is an OBVIOUS non-starter,
does that surprise you?
A “conflict” would involve casualties from both sides. Yet again you absolve the IDF of their brutality because of Hamas using the protests as a propaganda tool. There were choices and the IDF choose to kill.
Yeah, Iran only has to worry about the worlds only superpower breathing down their neck. A superpower whose congress is controlled by AIPAC. Iran doesn’t need a deterrent. Not at all.
Hamas tried to kill, breach the border and kill some more.
Those were the directives giving to their fighters, whether you think Israel could have been more restrained is immaterial to me. Hamas came for blood, the fact they didn’t get much is a good thing.
Iran isn’t interested in becoming a peaceful neighbor with the Saudis or Egyptians. It all has to do with their centuries old religious conflict, Sunnis vs. Shia, and there is no fixing that.
Now you’re just making shit up. Hamas must be the worst fighters in the history of mankind if they couldn’t produce one casualty in their quest “to kill”, “to kill some more”, and “came for blood”. Do you get any information that DOESN’T come from the MSM.
I see you’re a heartless bastard like the IDF. Never mind that women and children, an 8 month old baby, a double amputee, a member of the press and medics were among the human beings that were senselessly slaughtered. And again, no casualties among the brave IDF.
Yes, Iran is alone in their unwillingness to let go of that Sunni vs. Shia religious conflict. The Saudis and the rest of the Sunnis are more than willing to accept the “heretic” Shias. Where do you get this shit?
In conclusion, you are a f**king ZIONIST.
Now you’re just making stuff up. So Hamas amassed 30,000 protesters “to kill”, “kill some more”, and they “came for blood” but couldn’t muster just one casualty? They should turn in their terrorist membership cards immediately. Do you get your information from anywhere other than the MSM? Obviously this place hasn’t affected you.
I see you’re a cold hearted schmuck just like the IDF. So what if women, children, an 8 year old baby, a double amputee, a member of the press or medics trying to help the wounded were among those senselessly slaughtered by the IDF. And again, not one casualty among the brave IDF.
Ah yes, it’s just Iran and their refusal to let go of the Shia/Sunni conflict that keeps the hostilities going. The Saudis and the other Sunni dominated governments have no problem with the “heretic” Shia. How do you write that stuff with a clear conscience?
In conclusion, you are a ZIONIST.
Hamas wanted carnage, they forced it, and too damned bad that they got what they were after.
I’ll ignore the low-grade name calling, but if —-mothers— want to bring their children to a riot, how could they think nothing bad might happen?
Hamas is a militarized murder cult, they have no interest in improving the lives of their people, they keep them angry and deranged
but you can keep on pretending.
I have animus toward all Muslim extremists Sunni, Shia, whatever.
In the moment, however briefly, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi are making overtures of peace with Israel against the Russian-Iranian-Syrian bloc.
I don’t care.
I hope Trump pulls us out of Syria and Iraq, and let the Russians have the hassles associated with Arab/Persian hatreds.
You know nothing about me, and the Zionist label is more reflective of your propagandized bias, again, I don’t care.
As far as Israel is concerned, they fight jihado-crazed wing-nuts,
enemy of my enemy is my friend, —-for now.
Cold hearted schmuck was a compliment I guess. You don’t care that innocents died as long as you can fault Hamas. You certainly are lacking in empathy. But most Zionists have dehumanized the Palestinians.
You have problems with extremists but you’ll side with the Saudi’s because they are willing to make peace with Israel. Never mind they had 15 of the hijackers or they funded ISIS as long as they play nice with Israel they’re good with you.
Israel fights “jihado-crazed wing nuts” while in bed with the most extreme of them all. And, again, you’re good with this. I know enough about you that you side with Israel on each and every issue.
HAMAS, is causing all the carnage, because they want it.
So folks like you will fall for it.
If Muslims refuse to make peace between themselves (and they do)
then standing back and letting them slug it out is just fine with me.
Israel, on either side is not the issue, occupying and exhausting these deranged, psychopaths, for Allah, is the issue.
Israel will always be in the mix, because they are in the neighborhood.
No surprise.
Their goals are not necessarily ours and vice versa.
We don’t own them and
in spite of what you have been told
they don’t own us.
Israel has major problems, but they are stages of magnitude better than any ME Muslim nation.
Adios, wars.
What did I fall for? The IDF opened fire on unarmed protesters. I don’t give a f**k who delivered them, the IDF opened fire on unarmed protesters. No deaths were necessary but the IDF, and you apparently, wanted Hamas to be satisfied. And you wonder why I call you a Zionist?
Israel has zero influence with our government. AIPAC doesn’t exist and there are no dual citizens in congress. Their Prime Minister doesn’t receive continuous standing ovations when addressing our compliant congress. They do not receive the largest and friendliest foreign aid package. I don’t know what I was thinking.
You fell for the whole operation being planned to produce slaughter,
the Gazan’s wanted the slaughter to embarrass the Israelis during the embassy ceremony.
Hamas knew that if enough people stormed the border barrier it would illicit gun fire and carnage, with their cameras ready to go.
They have no qualms when it comes to sacrificing their people for their insane “cause”.
They were warned, there would be gun-fire if they attempted to damage and breach that border.
I didn’t say “zero influence” I said, the US is not ” owned” by them.
PS: almost every country has some “influence” in the US.
That’s irrelevant to me. You could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hamas’ plan worked out perfect. That would mean you accept barbaric rules of engagement. Telling people you are going to shoot them if they simply show up at a border fence is insane and civilized people just don’t do that. Unless they want to lower themselves to the standards of terrorists.
Israel WARNED,
that attacking the barriers, an attempt to breach,
would initiate gun fire,
but Hamas didn’t care, they needed the footage to propagandize
sympathy from the rubes.
Just because Israel WARNED about their barbaric rules of engagement didn’t make them right when they carried them out. If Hamas indeed was looking for propaganda footage the IDF obliged, putting them on the same moral level as Hamas. They took no casualties in 6 weeks. It’s obvious the threat level was overblown and they knew that from the start but they kept up the carnage. That’s how they operate.
There could have easily been 10 times the KIA.
The line to be held was the border barrier.
If you approach a cop with a rock in your hand ,
and he pulls his gun, ordering you to stop and drop the rock,
but you don’t—–expect to get shot!
It sounds even better if you say 20 or 30 times more. Makes the actual carnage seem less. There “border” line was never in jeopardy which was obvious because only one side was armed and proven since only one side took casualties.
If you set rules of engagement that are more in line with the actual threat then nobody has to die. Israel made no attempt to do that from the very beginning and didn’t adjust as the weeks passed. Hamas and the Israeli’s value life equally.
If a cop tells me not to approach a fence and I’m unarmed and do so anyway I’d expect him to subdue me without using lethal force. This goes without saying. Subduing unarmed mobs can be done without using lethal weapons as well.
40 K Gazans is not a “mob”,
it’s an attempted invasion.
Subduing 40 K no problem, says you,
who probably never attempted to subdue anyone in your life.
They knew what the response would be,
it was their objective.
And yet no casualties on the IDF side, Amazing that an attempted invasion could be so inept.
They could have subdued them with out killing them. Have you ever experienced tear gas? Rubber bullets? High pressure fire hoses? All non lethal ways of dispersing any sized UNARMED crowd. Of course the fire hose wouldn’t have worked because they never got CLOSE enough.
Again with the IDF pleasing Hamas by obliging them with their brutality. Keep up that ass backwards way of thought.
You can keep on saying the same thing over and over again and it doesn’t change the fact that the IDF used unnecessary lethal force. But you, Bibi, Bolton, Haley and the rest of the Israeli firster neocons can keep blaming unarmed people for Israel’s brutal rules of engagement. You make a lousy Libertarian.
You live in an ideological bubble, wars, good luck.
And you live in neocon lala land. Hopefully you discover empathy some day.
So what you’re saying is that the IDF and Hamas conspired? That’s the only way your theory works, since the IDF was perfectly free to not murder a bunch of people instead of handing Hamas a cause celebre on a silver platter. I hadn’t thought of the IDF and Hamas as such direct allies, but maybe you’re right.
No, with 40 thousand people swarming the border barrier
AFTER Israel
warned they would shoot if the barriers were attacked
made the carnage inevitable.
All tragic, all avoidable, but Hamas needed a propaganda carnage to mar the embassy move, so vitally important (?)
to sacrificing human lives, for their precious propaganda.
Hamas knew exactly what would happen,
and fed their cameras to the fullest.
“Hamas needed a propaganda carnage to mar the embassy move”
And the IDF decided to give them one.
If IDF’s goal had been to prevent the crowd from approaching the “border,” they’d have deployed tear gas and rubber bullets from much further out.
The IDF murdered a bunch of people because the IDF wanted to murder a bunch of people. Which, according to your logic, means that the IDF wanted the same thing as Hamas.
Easy for anyone not there to say. The IDF did deploy tear gas and use rubber bullets.
“The Israeli military has rejected accusations of excessive use of force and said that it is acting “against violent protests and terrorists activities which included live fire towards its soldiers [and] attempts to infiltrate Israel.”
“The forces acted according to open-fire protocols and in a reasonable manner as they avoided harming civilians posted there by Hamas, who wish to embarrass Israel while risking those civilians,” an IDF spokesperson said in a statement after last Friday’s protest. “[A]nyone who partakes in violent protests puts themselves at risk.”
The IDF maintains that each of the protesters killed last week was engaged in violence and that at least 10 were members of Hamas or other militant groups. It also disputes the high number of injured, saying claims by the Gaza health ministry are exaggerated.
To try to reinforce its version of events, the IDF has also released video footage purporting to show two Palestinian men with assault rifles trying to break through the Israeli border fence last Friday night. Both men were killed by fire from Israeli tanks.”
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/2/17188162/gaza-protest-israel-border-violence-demonstrations-palestinian
What would/could Israel gain by willfully getting involved with bloodshed on the day of the embassy dedication?
It was the last thing they wanted, and the Gaza Palestinians knew it,
and that’s why, THEN and only then, they created this mess, by sacrificing their own people for photos of mayhem.
Adam Curtis wrote about this http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/7e4d5048-de3d-3f27-9282-6417368c58de
Truth bomb.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/un-links-north-korea-to-syrias-chemical-weapons-programme
So, no nukes.
Trump de-certified because Bibi and the neocons told him to.
Thomas Knapp explained to you over and over about UN resolutions but you refused to listen. I see nothing has changed.
The IAEA has access to all areas agreed upon and Iran has been in compliance. Any Israeli areas available?
Funny, here is an Israeli diehard spouting shallow Trotskyite SLOGANS. Let us see. Iran is not nuclear, Israel is. Iran is no more theicratic then UK with Wueen being the Head of the Church of England. Iran is no mire autoritarian then Israel. But unlike Israel is not a dirty occupier, does nit abuse its minorities, and does not live if anyone’s handouts. Iran is not a threat to anyone, Israel is threatening everyone in its neighborhood. Be that by bombing and missile attacks like Syria, or THREE attempted invasions of Lebanon, or arming and feeding Islamic proxies to attack Iraq, Syria AND Egyp’s Sinai. Iran is not assasinating scientists, Israel is. Iranuan or Palestinian scientists are not safe even in their new homelands from Useael’s assasin’s bullet. And the occupation of West Bank and Gaza must end — sooner or later. What is Israel waiting for?
Screeching lues through ether no linger sufuces. By their deeds Israel is condemned to the status of regional and global pariah.
The Saudis and Egyptian disagree with you, they PREFER, the Israelis.
You are funny! Saudis go with where the money and power lie. At present, for Saudis, Russia has the power to make or break their depleted purse. Depleted by Yemen war fought exclusively at US demand, so US can control Bab Al-Mandeb. Depleted by financing Salafists world wide, and weaponizing them on US behest. Be that Al-Qaeda, Jaish Al-Islam or ISIS. Depleted. In the top of it all — US is bragging how it will not need Saudi Arabia for oil — a clue that Saudi Arabia will be the tatget one of those days. Saudi Arabia is good to US as a buyer of weapons that cannot endanger Israel, nor be effecrtive defence against Israel. Now, Russia is keeping their oul prices up, and China buting. Should the Kingdom want to save some dollars in trade with China, it can sell oil in yuans, and pay import bills without depleting dollar reserves. Egypt is Russia’s ally, with a specific role in Arab Sunni world. And that is to gradually take over the political leadership in Sunni world a role Saudi Arabia does not want. Sunni world, all the way to Pakistan and Indonesia is looking for decoupling the role of Mecca and politics. The new Crown Prince has hit hard on Wahhabi extremism, and is miving to modernize society.
But this is way too much information for your level of comprehension. Days are gone when Israel could just come with a ridiculous narrative — and the world obediently accepted the lie.
Today information is available from thousands of sources, so your repetition of slogans is actually so backwards — it is funny.
Would you like the rest of the ME to go nuclear?
Would that make you “feel” better?
Thinking people would disagree.
If Iran does,
bet your booty so will a number of others, THAT is the concern.
When and if the US starts the final decommissioning of its nuclear weapons it is required to work toward under the NPT, maybe it will have standing to express “concern” over other actual or potential nuclear arsenals. As long as the US has nukes and clearly intends to keep them and make more, it’s just another rogue state.
You are bad at propaganda. Just because Shia people live in the Middle East, that does not make them Iranian proxies. Yemen war has zero link to Iran. It is all about US control of Bab Al-Mandeb straits. Lebanon has nothing to do with Iran. Hezbollah is Shia militia that defended sucessfully Lebanon from Israel’s invasion in 2006. Iran helped Iraq and Syria — at their invitation — fight and ISIS in the ground. Us is not holding any Iraqi ground, and is latching on the patch of Syria close to Iraqi border. Even there, ISIS that is hiding under American skirt there, got attacked by Iraqi forces — in coordination with Damascus. Shia are vast majority population in Bahrain, where US keeps its Fifth Fleet, and has closed eyes to the brutality if the regime. 40% of Kuwait are Shia population, not likely to care very much fir warmingering Israel, and its faithfull US enablers. UAE live of commerce and large percent of it with Iran. Oman has strong ties to Iran, sndas of now, Qatar relies on Iran and Turkey, and is hosting bith American and Turkish bases.
Who exactly in the Middle East is then endangered by Iran? Who will be begging US to save them from Iran menace? Saudi Arabia?
Not likely. Saudis opened Embassy in Iraq in order to have access to Iranian diplomats. Saudi Arabia has struck many deals with Rusdia, notably oil production cutback. It is vivudly illustrating that US shale cannot save the world. With China being Riyad’s largest customer, how much longer can the Kingdom play djmb and avoid Shandhai oil exchange denominated in gold yuan?
Again, where exactly are the greatfull Middle East givernments or masses clamoring for US to save them! To save the world!
The Saudis, israelis and Egyptians (and many others) do not want a nuclear-ized Iran, that’s all.
If Iran gets nukes, EVERYBODY else will also, ponder that.
Iran does not have or want Nuclear weapons, end of story.
The Israeli lies are never-ending.
The ‘research’ documents are such as are created by every country as scenario planning.
Iranian nuclear power, and enrichment were initiated by the USA under the Shah.
Only Israel has covert nukes and threatened to use them.
Conventional weapons can easily turn Israel into a wasteland, and if it attacks Iran, that is what will happen. Dimona will be a large and deep hole in the ground, a highly radioactive hole.
WHY is Iran developing nuclear capable missile system?
You are too gullible.
Yes, give up ambitions of dominating the ME and leave that for the US/Israel. Iran has little influence in Yemen and couldn’t stop the Houthies if they wanted to. There is no war in Lebanon and there won’t be unless Israel starts one. Iran is an ally of Syria and is invited, unlike the US. They are not building nukes according to our spooks and the IAEA but you can keep believing Bibi since he is such a straight forward honest… oh wait. Their focus should indeed be about their people and their economy but they have to worry about a super power doing the bidding of the little parasite. And maybe the US should do the same and worry about their own people and economy?
And how about we start focusing on the only country in the region that DOES possess nukes?
Iran is supplying the Houthis;
Iran is supplying Hezbollah in Lebanon;
Syria and Iraq became a caliphate of ISIS who was attacking the US,
we had a legitimate reason to go after them;
Iran is not building nukes, correct, but they are building the infrastructure to do so the minuet the “Iran agreement” allows it.
Iran is using it’s Syrian excuse to encroach on Israel, that isn’t a US concern,
but it sure the hell is Israel’s.
Israel isn’t governed by a radical cleric, IRAN is,
they are the problem in the ME.
Iran should do everything in its power to nullify all aspects of Zionist power/terror. Iran is not the enemy to humanity while Israel is pure evil and then some…
Ask the Saudis and Egyptians about that.
Exactly how did ISIS create their caliphate? Oh yeah, that’s right, more unintended (or is that intended?) consequences of our foreign intervention. You may want to stop peering into your crystal ball & ease up on intervention cheerleading, as blowback has & can be a real bitch!
0bama/Hillary/ McShame did that.
Trump undid it.
To what extent? And so what? It’s a regional civil war that should be none of our concern.
Hezbollah is part of the government and again, on the other side of the world.
ISIS has been defeated in Syria and Iraq. We no longer have a legitimate right to stay. And if we hadn’t invaded Iraq in 2003 or armed the “rebels” in Syria we wouldn’t have had an ISIS caliphate to worry about.
So having the infrastructure to build nukes is reason for sanctions or war? Iran has been accused of being on the verge of having an actual nuke since at least ’92, so I would think they have had the infrastructure for some time. Bombs away I guess.
No, Israel is using Iran as a reason to encroach on Syria. Iran is invited.
Doesn’t matter who they’re governed by. That’s none of our business.
It’s a complex world,
but the free flow of oil makes it very understandable.
Iran needs to boom down it’s hatred
if things are ever going to get better.
The oil was flowing fine. The hatred came from the other side. Iran was complying but that wasn’t good enough.
Iran is belligerent in the gulf, to the Arabs, the Israelis and the US, but, …
that’s OK.
It just comes with some blow-back.
Belligerence is being surrounded by a super power from the other side of the planet. Mossad assassinate any scientists lately?
The “super power” is ONLY protecting the free flow of oil.
The Iranians
thought they could intimidate us out of there
with metro-phag 0bama at the helm,
then Trump learned them different.
MAGA!
I think you meant MIGA.
Iran will be on it’s knees, just like Nkorea,
in the not distant future, as they should be.
“WAS”?
Try IS,
no thanks to Iran.
I think you should look into the website, “If Americans Knew.” You might be surprised at what you learn.
Would I “learn”,
allowing Iran,
the THEOCRATIC nut-job regime in the region,
to get nuclear weapons was a GOOD IDEA???
Forget it. You are Hasbara.
And you are bigot.
Look who’s calling the kettle black!
I’m calling a spade a spade.
So am I.
No, you’re not.
I think you should start thinking.
Religious, theocratic, nut-jobs should NOT have nuclear weapons!
They learnt from the masters.
” We must define our position and lay down basic principles for a settlement.Our demands should be moderate and balanced, and appear to be reasonable. But in fact they must involve such conditions as to ensure that the enemy rejects them. Then we should manoeuvre and allow him to define his own position, and reject a settlement on the basis of a compromise position. We should then publish his demands as embodying unreasonable extremism.”
(Yehoshafat Harkabi, 2 November 1973)
It is quite pointless discussing with people like stokr, his disconnect from reality is appalling.
Iran is a modern and very civilised society. Not at all like the Saudis or Pakistan border area. (or Detroit)
Watch a US political convention and weep at the insanity and stupidity.
But there is no way that you can bring the truth to such people, they only believe what their government tells them.
Do you ever read, anything. Iran has succeeded in helping Iraq destroy ISIS, taking away US terrorist proxy leverage to blackmail Iraq. It suceeded on the ground — without US help. US dies not hold any part of Iraqi territory, and the Kurdish gambit has failed. Largely due to US neocon stupidity — trying to sideline Barzani Peshmerga in favor of PKK. Parzani revenge was complete. Peshmerga stood by as Iraqi forces smashed PKK in Kirkuk.
Iran us not Sunni – and has never supported terrorist groups designed to topple legitimmate governments. That is US and Western speciality. Iran has no nuclear bomb, unlike Israel. And under the deal, Iran was not allowed to have nuclear physics tought at universities. And Iranian scientists that emigrated due to restrictions in their careers, are target of Israel’s assasinations. No amount of bombastic accusations will make US and Israel look good.
So, what is the point to the screeching? Looking for something to come unglued, something to shake out from a tree. Somebody to get rattled. Somebody to make a mistake.
But still being unsure. The cautious dance around Syria, missile strikes that skirted the main issue. Korea issue slipping out of hand.
The problem is — Western elites, their media, think tank enablers, and a large percentage of public are flunking a basic comprehension test. When somebody like Putin delivers a speech on the state of their new gen weapons development on March 1, the overwhelming reaction was — denial. Denial that our intelligence missed the whole thing. Denial that we have no supersonic capabilities, and thus our entire offensive posture relies on moving our assets close to targets. Denial that we have zero unlimited range and time cruise missile capability. Denial that the absence of new alloys that can withstand Mach 20 speeds without burnjng up, limits the value of MIRV potential. And above all — denial that submarine drones with unlimited duration of deployment, high speed, silence, and the deep water capacity is upending our entire strategy of bringing our war platforms close to targets. Because vast majority are sea based, and most others coastal bases and support infrastructure. And sll if them vulnerable in ine fell swoop to nuclear sub drones. The few that are in the interior are no match for Mach 10 Kindzal. So is US missile defence.
The key mistake in reading other country’s announcements is to rely on their dates of testing or deployment. This is an arena if deception, making opponent wonder if the announcement was designed to bluff to keep them guessing,or a deliberate deflection from the fact that the most potent capability has been deployed already and in quantities allowing for massive duplication of power.
This is something to ponder, while iver the top trheats are flying about, in hope to rattle Russia and China, while assessing the dangers.
And hope nobody is any longer living in the delusion about Russia-China military cooperation. Their joint research institutions in both Russia and China, testify to that. And sunce most of the new gen technology is modular transportable in standard shipping containers by sea, rail and trucks, I cannot see any problem with China’s thousands of factory floors producing components, assembling and deploying amidst its massive shipping harbors. And Russia’s massive unpopulated land allows for a wide range of unconventional platforms. What I am suggesting is the follows. Russia and China will never allow another war fought on its territory decimating their population. They are capitalizing on Russua’s scientific advantages, and research built upon Soviet investment in science. And on China’s production capacities in combination with advancements in robotics and transportation technologies. This is just a reality. US approach is to test just how much of a reality it is. But it is stuck with this forward paradigm. It cannot pull back assets as it would send wrong signals, but cannot afford to risk it all. A real conundrum.
Yeah, thanks, how about ending support for terror, making peace with the Sauds, Egyptians and Israelis and focus on building their economy rather than a nuke arsenal.
As soon as the saudis, Israelis and Egyptians stop supporting the terrorists, and support the democratically elected governments of the region, I am sure that Iran would be willing to talk to them.
That’s a good starting point, but do ya “think” a nuclear Iran helps or hinders the effort?
They don’t have nukes. But Israel does. So why wouldn’t a nuclear Israel hinder the effort? They have real nukes as compared to Iran who you say is “working to prepare for nukes”.
Israel isn’t threatening the “free flow of oil”, or anybody else.
So no one in the region has a problem with Israel’s nukes? And Bibi has been threatening Iran with war since 1992.
The ONLY problem is Israel has them, if they didn’t
the Arabs and Persians would have annihilated them already.
Those nukes are DEFENSIVE and have been for 2 decades or so.
So that must mean “yes” to others in the region having a problem with Israel’s nukes. Like everyone. I guess that means Israel’s nukes would indeed hinder any effort to get all the players in the region to talk which is all I said.
It means,
YES they have them, and
YES, for damned good reason.
YES they haven’t used them and
YES because they are not Muslim- nut-job-jihados so
YES, it is rational and acceptable, in fact preferable.
Again, does that mean Israel having nukes would hinder any efforts to get the regional players to talk? Yes, it does. Stop avoiding the topic.
Effort to do what?
Make USrael the most powerful set of bullies in the world?
Most the countries in the world have nuclear energy, why should Iran not have it?
Half the countries with Nuclear energy enrich their uranium for medical and research purposes, why should Iran be denied the technology?
Please spare us the nonsense about ‘wiping Israel off the face of the Earth’. That is a lie, you know it is a lie, and all those repeating know or should know it is a lie.
Who the heck do the US and their friends think they are to tell others what to do?
Iran did not invade Iraq. Iran did not invade Libya. Iran did not create ‘rebels’ to overthrow Syria, or Lebanon, Yemen or Afghanistan. We all know who did.
Iran is only present in other countries at the request and permission of the governments of those countries. US, Israel, and NATO cannot say the same.
So they should take their ‘efforts’ and go home.
Effort to stop the nuclear-ization of the entire ME, duh.
Are you “anti-war”, or just anti-Israel/US?
Enriching uranium/ plutonium are not necessary for nuclear power plants, how gullible can you be?
The US is telling Iran that nuclear proliferation is the road to war,
and is therefore opposing it. While you apparently “think” nuclear proliferation is —-“anti-war”, hilarious if it wasn’t so serious.
Actually Iran did “invade” Iraq during their 1980’s war with them, surprised?
0bama/Hillary financed the over throw in Libya, part of 0bama’s brilliant “Arab Spring” offensive and it was truly disgusting.
And again 0bama/Hillary, with help from Songbird McCain
(those three are the real neocons)
armed the “moderates” and created ISIS, again disgusting.
Not to worry, Trump has fixed that.
Check yourself, the US did not “invade” Yemen or Lebanon, Afghanistan of course and with good reason.
Iran was “invited” by another totalitarian, genocidal ME freak, so what.
The US hasn’t interfered in that. Unless they cross 0bama’s red line and use chemical weapons on their own people, which you are apparently are OK with by defending the Iranian/Syrian invitational alliance, lol..
I will respond point by point and hope that you are actually interested and not just a troll.
I am totally anti-war!
Who other than Israel-US has started wars in the last 30 years or so? Using proxies and mercenaries to have ‘plausible denial’ of course, but the hand behind the wars is always USrael.
‘Enriching uranium/ plutonium are not necessary for nuclear power plants, how gullible can you be?’
No but it is the only means of making many medical isotopes and guess what, Iran was leading the world in production, eating into the American market and profits. Many applications including Airport scanners require enriched nuclear isotopes. At no stage had Iran enriched plutonium – uranium sufficiently to create any weapons (i.e. 90%), only normal nuclear by-products.
‘The US is telling Iran that nuclear proliferation is the road to war,’ you are wrong, US is telling Iran that nuclear enrichment is the road to war.
If you actually want to learn a little about the lies and deceit that Iran had to suffer prior to 2010 you may want to read ;
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2010/03/irans-uranium-enrichment-program-part-i.html
Iran has no intention or desire to create or build nuclear weapons, never has never will. It is just a lie put out by US-IS.
Personal attacks are so lame, oh ye of little intellect.
‘Actually Iran did “invade” Iraq during their 1980’s war with them, surprised?’
“The Iran–Iraq War was an armed conflict between Iran and Iraq, beginning on 22 September 1980, when Iraq invaded Iran, Wiki” At no time did Iran invade or intend to invade Iraq.
Wrong again!
Obama-Hillary-Trump-Bolton all US are neo-cons playing in the IS orchestra and implementing the Yinon plan. Your comment is laughable and irrelevant.
Bill Clinton once reportedly told senior White House reporter Sarah McClendon,“Sarah, there’s a government inside the government, and I don’t control it.”
So you are wrong again, two cheeks of the same arse.
“the US did not “invade” Yemen or Lebanon, Afghanistan”
The US are in Yemen, and Afghanistan, and were in Lebanon (250 died there remember) not one of the countries invited or permitted the US to place troops in their territory. It is called ‘invasion’.
Wrong again.
At no time has Iran been ‘Genocidal’ and nor has Assad. At no time has Iran or Syria been ‘Freak[ish]’ and ‘Totalitarian’ is a stupid label that can be applied to anyone and anything that you disapprove of.
Syria has never used ‘Chemical weapons’ on either Syria or any other person or group. You know that and yet you repeat the never ending lies.
The chemicals are used by ‘rebels’ supplied by and under direction of the major players (UK – US – Israel) as false flags to create an excuse to bomb the Syrian troops.
Your lies are so transparent that even a child can see through them.
Before you try to dispute with adults, try bringing some facts to the discussion.
Who other than the US or Israel has started wars in the last 30 years?
Are you serious?
RADICAL, MUSLIM, JIHADO, WING-NUTS, FROM A VARIETY OF MUSLIM CLIENT STATES! HELLOOO!
“Medical isotopes”, hilarious!
Why not suspend that and get normalized with the world before going into ENRICHING nuclear material? They are not trusted for good reason, they support terror. I don’t trust anything from PBS, but thanks anyway.
The Iranian-Iraqi war had both sides going back and forth across the border Iran attempted to take southern Iraq, but failed.
The US has Sp. Forces in Yemen, yes, but that isn’t an “invasion”.
And the US went into Lebanon to secure an airport in the midst of a chaotic civil war, not an invasion.
And re. Syria and chem weapons, so gullible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
As previously you shout but have zero facts. Which war did any Muslim start?
Why would only Iran have to suspend a perfectly ordinary process? Only because USrael is scared of the Iranian refusal to bow down and surrender to their agenda.
Don’t even begin to say that Iran supports terror, look up MEK and stop lying. Not one of the groups supported by Iran is terrorist. Unless you call resistance to an illegal occupation by a foreign power “terrorism”. Look up Stern gang and Irgun before shouting about terrorism.
Iraq (at US urging) invades Iran and Iran’s response to occupy a war zone is invasion! So US invaded France and Belgium?
US forces are in Yemen against the wishes of the government and against international law. They arrived covertly and are fighting on foreign soil but that is not an invasion?
Don’t even think of using Wiki as a reliable source. It is owned and run by the US propaganda department. Not a single fact nat a single shred of evidence ha sever been produced to show that Syrian troops or government was involved.
Stop with your stupid ignorant lies.
However it is clear that you do not have an honest thought in your head so Good For You.
The war on terror. from airplane hijacks, to massacres at the Olympics,
to carnage in Mumbai, the streets of France, Germany and the US, to 911,
to ISIS. Muslim radicals are pan national, that might confuse you.
Iran supports and funds the terror organization Hezbollah,
as determined by the US, EU, UN and the Arab League.
Most people would have to look up MEK because they are that inconsequential.
Enough of the Muslim apology, Saudi was not “occupied” by the US they were there by invitation from the Saudi govt. We did not “occupy” Libya when Qaddafi started hijacking planes. The history of atrocities by Muslim extremist is legion.
I don’t defend Iraq they initiated the war with Iran, but that was out of fear of Iran’s shiite revolution and attempts to encourage Iraq shiite to join them. When you appeal to follow shiites across a border to join with you, expect blow-back.
Yemen is home to a variety of terror organization that the US is at war with, AQ and ISIS to name a couple.
Syria has a history of using chemical agents.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-gas-attack-chemical-weapons-assad-russia-rebels-latest-a7669011.html
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/un-links-north-korea-to-syrias-chemical-weapons-programme
You just can’t face facts.
Last post as you clearly are incapable of rationality.
One cannot have a ‘war’ against terror any more than you can against stupidity. ‘Terror’ is not an adversary!
There are crimes committed by persons and they are crimes. If you catch a hijacker, do you put them in a ‘prisoner of war’ camp? If it was a ‘war’ then you cannot charge them with any crime, they are conducting ‘lawful’ activity.
That is how stupid your argument is.
Who said you occupied Saudi?
Silly strawman arguments do not impress.
‘the US, EU, UN and the Arab League. ‘ i.e. the Israeli puppets.
The Iraq story is a blatant lie.
A ‘Terror Organisation’ is everyone that the US disapproves of, i.e. any country or group that does not ant to be plundered and raped at the instigation of Israel.
Cheers
A religious war against the US
by radical Islamic, homicidal, extremists
is a “war”.
The fact that you do not understand it is an asymmetrical “war” is not surprising. It is a war against an ideology. You may be hide-bound to some past anachronisms, requiring a nation to qualify as a war, but in the real world we are not.
“There are crimes committed by persons …”
Yes, driven by a homicidal cult, and therefore they go —to GITMO.
You said invade foreign countries,
OBL cited US troops IN Saud as a pretext for 911.
Nothing “strawman” about it.
LOL, so the US, EU, UN, and the Arab League are “Israeli puppets”, LOL, OK who can you cite to refute them, I’m waiting.
Bull-shiite, the Iranian Shiite revolution was fomenting rebellion in the Shiite community in southern Iraq which brought the hammer down from Saddam, go read some history.
That last sentence of yours outted you,
you hate the USA, and Israel so you drape yourself in these sanctimonious, exaggerated feelings of moral superiority, to mask your real goal, hate.
“Who other than the US or Israel has started wars in the last 30 years?
Are you serious?
RADICAL, MUSLIM, JIHADO, WING-NUTS, FROM A VARIETY OF MUSLIM CLIENT STATES! HELLOOO!”
Feel free to name two. Hell, even one.
The “war’ is against a radical, homicidal, ideology,
not a particular nation.
Is the concept of an asymmetrical war foreign to you?
What is this radical, homicidal ideology that you’re referring to?
People who live like the Koran tells them. Kill the infidel.
Stokr so the US should stop supporting Al Qaeda in Syria. You know those “moderate” rebels. Plus stopping selling billions of dollars of weapons it accuses of being behind 9/11 in Saudi Arabia.
Only an idiot like you fails to see that not only does Iran support its Shia terror groups abroad but the US and it’s oil masters in Saudi Arabia support its Sunni extremists in Yemen and Syria and elsewhere.
Nukes for every country, that’s your answer? Ah, OK.
Why not? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Very “Anti-War” of you!
In such a war USA will end badly blooded.In fact all the situation prove the irreversible decline of the empire.Good riddance!
The foreign policies of the Trump administration are simplistic. Always begin with a threat (with some exceptions such as Russia). Weak countries such as Iran which do not have a nuclear arsenal are threatened with huge sanctions and violent regime change. Others, such as Afghanistan and Iraq, are threatened with the presence of US armed forces for a long time to come. North Korea is a special case of a weak country because it does have a nuclear arsenal. For it there is a confusing (deliberate?) bouillabaisse of sweet talk and threats. Occasionally, as in the case of Yemen, Trump uses another country to do the threatening and aggression.
Then there are the strong countries with nuclear arsenals such as China. You threaten them with tariffs. Allies are treated with kid-glove threats of tariffs or demands for increasing their contributions to NATO or else.
The policy has not yet worked. Iran is not folding. Afghanistan is 50% Taliban. N. Korea is not much cooperative right now. The negotiations with China have produced almost nothing for us. Actually there was a give-away for investments in Trump-run or owned enterprises in Indonesia. Canada and our European partners are weary if not angry.
The lone success is the defeat of ISIL but with the assistance of Assad, Putin, and the Kurds.
Trump is not Teddy Roosevelt. Trump yells loudly and carries a soft stick.
Iran a weak country, Dieter? Iran’s a peaceful country, but being a peaceful country doesn’t mean it’s weak, but, the opposite. Iran’s a strong country, with missiles that can hit targets with pin-point accuracy, including Israel’s Dimona Nuclear Facility, wherein its nuclear arsenal’s stored.
Iran hasn’t attacked its neighbors in over 300 years, Dieter, one can’t say the same for the US/UK/NATO/Israel, these countries have been waging aggressive wars for years. The 1980-88 war with Iraq was started by Iraq and ended in a stalemate. The Islamic Republic has grown stronger with an updated military, including its navy, and its missile systems, to protect itself from Israel.
Israel’s PM, Bibzy Netanyahu, has been issuing threats against Iran for years. Of course, he wouldn’t launch airstrikes on the Islamic Republic alone, he wants the US to do it for him, as he’s a coward.
I used the word weak in the context of comparing the armed forces of other nations to ours.
Other than that I fully agree with you.
Iran is certainly not a weak nation as it has proven through years of hardship.
Soon the EU must decide if they will continue to be lackeys of the US or if they really want to pursue their own interests. I have little hope for them. However, if they really do go through with buying Iranian oil with euros, there will be a huge cleavage in the world economy. Pompeo has revealed that the US is run by utter incompetents, btw as he presented a laundry list of lies as “demands.” Collin Powell’s UNSC dog & pony show looks stately by comparison.
That’s what Sheldon Adelson paid for.
Looks like my reply to Tom Knapp got censored (again). I am getting fed up with this bullshit.
I know Tom. I have a really hard time believing he would censor anything the site didn’t require him to censor. Could be a glitch.
I approved multiple instances of the same comment. I’ll got back and delete all except one.
If a content is held for moderation, it’s held for moderation. The next time you flood my moderation queue, there will be consequences.
I’m gonna enjoy watching us lose.
Atta boy, Plumpeo!.. Keep up the good work.