After yesterday’s 10-7 committee vote set the stage for a tight vote in the Senate about the Syrian War, the issue may end up entirely academic, as ABC News is the first to call it, and based on the public comments the war is headed for a defeat in the House of Representatives.
Heavy lobbying for war support by the administration and the backing of all of the House leadership in both parties hasn’t amounted to much, as broad public opposition has left only a handful willing to go on the record as “yes” votes, with 150+ undecideds and a simply majority now saying they will oppose it.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D – CA), on the pro-war side, has conceded that she doesn’t know if she can bring in a majority of Democrats on her side. That’s probably putting it mildly, with huge “no” and huge “undecided” contingents making even a close split probably unlikely. The momentum in the House is clearly against this war: with the public opposed and an election next year, it’s hard to envision any major shift.
Indeed, that Reps. Pelosi (D – CA), Boehner (R – OH), Cantor (R – VA) and the rest of the leadership have been so unsuccessful in getting the rank-and-file on board is a huge rebuke, and a decisive defeat for President Obama’s push for war.
Rep. Michael Grimm (R – NY) came out in favor of the war last weekend, but is hastily retreating from that position with defeat looming, and now says that he is “no longer convinced” of the merits of attacking Syria.
That’s likely to loom large among the undecideds, and with defeat seemingly assured, it is hard to imagine that many of them are going to want to go on the record as pro-war a year before the election, especially in a vote they’re going to lose.
An historic defeat for the administration’s war plan, it sets the stage for Secretary of State John Kerry’s repeated claims that President Obama could attack after losing the vote to be put to the test. Officials have so far refused to discuss that prospect too deeply, insisting they are “confident” in winning the vote, but now that it seems clear they’ll lose, that confidence seems as ill-placed as their confidence in the rest of the case for war.
Anyone intent on stopping Congressional authorization of the proposed US War against Syria, and All that will follow in its wake, should send the following simple message (by local picture postcard; not by e-mail or Tweetter, etc) to their Senators and Congressional Representative.
This War must be stopped. This War can be stopped. This War will be stopped.
May all be well with All that You love.
Jeff Moebus
Master Sergeant
US Army (Retired)
VETERANS AGAINST WAR
Sitka Platoon
message follows:
Memo to Senators ______ and ______, and Congresswoman/man ______:
As you prepare to decide how to vote on Congressional authorization of the proposed US War against Syria, and All that will follow in its wake, please bear the following in mind:
A Vote For War is a Vote Against Your Re-election. Ever again. And please understand: this is not a threat; this is a promise.
Sincerely,
/s/
Contact Info:
vaw.sitka@gmail.com
sorry my friend–we are past asking THE WARMONGER DISTRICT OF CRIMINALS–WE ARE ONE DAY CLOSER TO THE REVOLUTION—RET US ARMY–
I would love this to be true, but I just don't see it. It makes absolutely no difference what the will of the American people is, the will of Israel always wins out with our Congressslugs.
My congressmoron is Bob Brady. Bob Brady is in a gerrymandered district of 85% Democrats and often runs unopposed (I ran against him once and got about a thousand votes).
"A spokesman told CNN on September 3 that the the congressman "intends to gather as much information possible before coming to a decision.""
Bob Brady has never in his life gathered as much information as possible to come to a decision unless it involved a sandwich order. He can't find Syria on a marked map of Syria.
He will vote as he's instructed. Oligarchy & Idiocracy 1, Democracy and Sense 0.
Perhaps is about time for people's representatives to listen to the people voice demanding NO MORE WARS and no more AIPAC. Just dump them in nearest garbage dumpster.
I would love this to be true, but I just don't see it. It makes absolutely no difference what the will of the American people is, the will of Israel always wins out with our Congressslugs.
The script is always the same and it's always play-acting. At first, it's what we're getting now. The people are overwhelmingly opposed, this stands no chance of passing. Then… after intense lobbying, the numbers have narrowed, but it's still likely to be headed for defeat. Then… days before the vote the numbers have narrowed, dramatically, and now it's too close to call. Then… in a surprise move, key members in Congress shifted their position at the last minute and this proposal narrowly passed.
I've seen it happen time after time.
I grok. Hopes dashed, business as usual. Americans will drift back into the rut. I hope I am wrong, but Bizarro world has had the upper hand for far too long.
The A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition is urging people not to assume the public cannot stop the bombing of Syria and that a strike is inevitable. A defeatist attitude only feeds the hawks desire for war no matter what.
If you say things must always happen as they did in the past, then you are saying there can be no change. Which is of course the message that the bankers and the generals and their media would like us to believe. But of course, anyone who was alive for the fall of the Berlin Wall knows that the world and these societies can indeed change.
There was always a limit as to what AIPAC money could do. It can buy ads. But people have to be willing to buy the product being pushed in the ads. If not, the ads are a waste of money. AIPAC lost several elections last time. Candidates they tried to push hard ended up losing. Its quite possible that that was the early warning sign of the fall of AIPAC's influence.
Change can happen. So, instead of trying to tell everyone that there can be no change, call your congressperson now. Unless of course you just don't want anything to change.
This is a historic event in American history. For the first time, the people are getting a say, and their representatives are listening- are being dragged kicking and screaming, but are listening.
Americans basically don't believe in an empire. They've been tricked into it, and when a war for imperial purposes is put nakedly in front of them, stripped of fear-mongering, and presented for itself, they say hell no. Lied to often enough.
Maybe now they can start asking questions, like: if this war we just stopped is an example of what it's for, why do we have a Navy with 11 supercarriers, when the rest of the world combined has zero?
This could be the start of something big: America, finally, may be coming home.
Watch out for a Israel-first fifth-column coup d'etat or black op.
So, Israel would overthrow the President who's the one trying to do everything they want?
this post is alex jones-tier nonsense. I thought this community was better than that.
prepare for disappointment…
Wow, anyone notice the sudden flood of comments who are all trying to spread the message that we can't win and that nothing can change? Seems like there's a lot of those posts now.
Don't listen to them. Nothing in the world is certain EXCEPT change. And, we the people have always had the power to change all of this. History from 1776 to the Soviet Union all says that. The only problem has been that we've never execercised that power. That is happening now, so of course there can be change. At least in this first case of stopping this war.
Don't listen to the naysayers who say change isn't possible. Change has always been possible whenever we decided together that we want it.
SO ARE YOU READY TO BE PART OF THE 20 000 000 MAN MARCH ON THE DISTRICT—OF CRIMINALITY–???? THOUGHT SO–NO YOU WON'T
"Wow, anyone notice the sudden flood of comments."
been posting similarly negative comments on antiwar.com since the bush administration, and i haven't been proven wrong yet.
i protested against the afghan war(very unpopular thing to do)
i protested my ass off against the iraq war(slightly less unpopular thing to do)
i protested drone strikes
i protested against the war in libya
and i protest american support for israel, every other week.
show me one thing that would make me think that there is any chance of stopping this other than a convenient intersection of islamophobia and partisan obama hatered
p.s. it took some digging but i knew i posted the same comment before.. http://news.antiwar.com/2012/11/07/in-israel-worr…
"Now many US and Israeli observers are speculating about whether Obama will find a way to punish Netanyahu for favoring Romney, or develop a more demanding diplomatic posture."
paulbass – prepare to be disappointed.
It was brilliant of Obama to dump this in the lap of Congress. Obama is totally reluctant to get involved, but he had no political cover. Now it's a test of wills between Congress and AIPAC, and Obama simply follows the outcome.
The US House has come back with a MAJORITY 'No Vote' and we have now avoided the Neocon/Israeli bums' rush into this war, unlike what happened to us with their lying us into Iraq –
Now is the time to close in and mop these Neocons and AIPAC up and take them out…
Time is the enemy of this latest Israeli hoax – already the Israeli Intell report that was proffered up to Gen Dempsey by Netanyahu is FALLING APART – it will only be a few weeks now before the entire Israeli hoax has fallen apart completely (which is WHY Kerry was so crazed with bum rushing the US in the war before the Israeli fabrications were exposed)
Israeli Apartheid and it's fanatic Neocons are the ones who need to be dismantled so they will no longer be able to RELENTLESSLY try to hoax or tripwire the US into a war with Syria or Iran to try to desperately cover up and protect Apartheid system in Israel, by way of touching off a conflagration in the Middle East. It’s sickening…
Israel’s famed Unit 8200 electronic intelligence outfit DOCTORED this so-called 'Israeli intel' so that it leads a reader to just the opposite conclusion reached by the original report.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/29/verify-chemical…
Just like with the Iraq War numerous fabrications which Israel and Israel Lobby used to lie the US into the war with Iraq – give it a little time and the whole Neocon/Israeli con job breaks down
A no vote by the House may not matter if the scenario unfolds like it did in the run up to Clinton's Yugoslav aggression. I've recently found out that the Senate voted first and they authorized Clinton's bomb dropping escapade, so he went to work on the Serbs the following day. The House didn't vote for a month, and it wound up a 213-213 tie, rendering their vote completely symbolic. What are the chances that Obama will wait for the House if the Senate, which will undoubtedly support it, votes first? Therefore, unless the House somehow votes first, I don't see how they can stop it unless they summon the courage to withhold the funding.
But it sure did bring the ghouls of the first division out of the woodwork.
But remember Obama said: "We don need no stinkin' Congress"
well you know what happens now, false flag, and all the sheep will be go bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Obama can grow in his Hitler moustache that oddly enough only black guys are wearing modified versions of nowadays and have it be entirely apropos. Scary – those Tea Party types with the posters of Obama = Hitler might not be so far off the mark anymore.
I hope no more people are killed en masse by America, where I live. There's gotta be a better way than perpetual war for perpetual peace.
Cameron was stopped by the Parliament, and was allegedly furious. Obama, if he has any sense at all, will pretend he follows democratic principles and be relieved to back off, credibility wounded or not.