Faced with a formal request from the Palestinian Authority and citing growing frustration with the Israeli settlement expansions, the European Union is warning today that it is on the verge of recognizing an independent Palestine along the 1967 borders.
The move would follow high profile recognitions by Brazil and Argentina last week, though the warning was watered down significantly, reportedly after Israeli demands that Britain move against the proposal as it was initially written.
A number of European officials have expressed annoyance at the collapse of the direct peace talks, with a collection of former top officials even suggesting the EU should adopt sanctions against Israel over the settlement expansions.
Israeli officials reacted with outraged both to the notion of sanctions and the notion of an independent Palestine, saying that they proved the European Union was inherently biased against Israel and that the collection of nation-states had “lost all credibility.”
ha "threatening israel to recognize palestine"
it like they don't even exist and they are just going to do so to punish israel and once Israel moderates its positions a little we can go back to pretending they are not there
either you believe its right and you should recognize them regardless or just stop pretending to care for human rights
How interesting. When faced with the same sort of thing that brought about their own nation in the past they get incensed at the idea that someone would want to be "recognized" the same way they were "recognized" all those decades ago. What's good for the goose not good enough for the gander?
Hypocrisy… Thy name is Israel.
Not only is the EU obligation, is EU moral and strategic interests to boycott Israel and by all means. There is no language other then a boycotts that Israel would ever understand.., Simply is about time for such international action taking place and becomes a reality.
Agreed, MoT – I'm just wondering how Israel will characterize the Palestinian versions of the Irgun? Terrorists? I think we already know the answer. Pot, meet Kettle- you're the same color.
Where has the EU been for the last 63 years? Did they not know what has been happening to the Palestinians? Why this last minute recognition for the Palestinian cause now that the Peace Process is dead, buried and cremated!
Don't tell me the EU has discovered a conscience. It's been buried for so long I thought it had turned to dust. Now that Israel has virtually wiped out Palestine and is in the process of attempting to wipe out Iran, now the EU begins talking, making gestures.
They are hypocritical bastards!
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As long as they have big brother to do their military dirty work they only care about maintaining trade and they can see that if things get really out of hand then they will be far harder hit than america in any major conflict, since the united states does not actual get most of its oil from the middle east, and has far less direct dependence on trade with middle eastern countries.
with that said they are directly complicit in the siege of gaza, since any european country could break the siege if they had a mind to
The EU does not want a last minute flood of Pals streaming into their part of the world particualrly when their world is falling apart. this is nothing but self interest.
EU is protectorate of the new Evil Empire and will never do anything without prior approval from its Master.
This may be directly connected with the diplomatic cables which still are not published. That is, Europe will be very embarrassed by these cables showing them kow towing to the US and Israel. The dam broke when several South American countries defied the US. The US is now naked before the world and even though Americans at home still think our little strutting emperor is well dressed, he is actually quite naked.
About time this happened. It should have happened 40 years ago, at the very least.
This is a joke right? I don't get it, why are so many in a rush to declare a "Palestinian State" when all that state consists of is a pair of concentration camps. Who in their right mind would think this is anything even remotely approaching acceptable? Apartheid is not the answer. The Pallies need to quit pushing for this absurd "two-state" crap, dissolve the parties which advocate for that "final solution" and demand that Israel live up to it's rhetoric regarding democracy. Unify the region, toss the current governments out, and start over with a Republic that represents ALL of the people. Why is this such a difficult concept?
Why is this such a difficult concept?
Just a guess but because it's just a pipe dream? A chimera. It's taken Israel the best part of a century to get to where they are. They have blackmailed, murdered, bombed, invaded, occupied, stolen, cheated, lied. Do you think they're gonna just give it all up and embrace a democracy that includes the Palestinians? Whaaaat? After all that hard work? Surely, you dream.
I agree since there is no land left for " an economically viable Palestinian state living side by side in peace with the Jewish state".That is a laugh. Start agitating from here on for a one state with one person one vote.
Forget USA and Euro support for Palestine…it does not exist..ever. As many countries as possible..eg Brazil a good example…recognize Palestine and wherever possible support them through trade and politics. Countries are beginning to realize publicly that positions taken by the governments of USA and some in Europe are duplicit and phony. In the foreseeable future they will be gone. It's their economies, stupid, that is driving them to their knees.
As far as Israel is outraged that Palestine is being considered as a state, their outrage is their personality. Ignore their ever common outrage and be sure to stop their shinanigans. Take no crap from them.
There already is a Palestinian state–Jordan. "Palestine" was once apart of greater Syria, then Jordan… the so called "Palestinian state" within the 67 borders is just a stepping stone to eventually "driving Jews into the sea." Even radical left-wing Israeli MK Abba Eban called the pre-67 borders "Auschwitz lines."
Are you saying that the palestinians who have been living on palestine for the past 800 years should be uprooted and populate it with polish russians hungarian jews.
Interesting comment. Putz, today's version of an Israel-first Zionist thinks Abba Eban wasn't bloodthirsty enough! It shows how with each success the Zionist thirst for total victory results in a sham where they keep moving the goal posts. The old non-terrorist Zionist leaders like Eban were concerned with making logical arguments for their position even though it was a stretch. Today they don't have to. Putz's Zionists and Christian zealot toadies will follow the most fatuous and transparently labored faulty arguments.
what right did europeans have to move to palestine and terrorize hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and land?
it's the same old jabotinsky bullshit: two wrongs make a right (europeans exterminated the natives of north america and/or herded them into concentration camps, so israelis are entitled to do the same to palestinians), and might makes right.
once israel's american protector collapses, how long do you spose israel will last if the rest of the world plays by israeli rules?
I suspect it won't be long before we find out.
it's sort of like your samson option, isnt it?
you guys are entitled to nuke everybody in range as you go under, and nevermind how that will affect jews outside israel.
meanwhile, the neocons plan to dismantle pakistan… is pakistan entitled to nuke everybody in range as they go under?
it's almost as if you're betting that nobody will ever be as chickenshit as you guys, you seem to be betting that other people still possess some shreds of common human decency… something that zionists dont seem to be troubled with.
There already is a Palestinian state–Jordan.
Y'all have told yourselves that lie so many times that you're beginning to believe it.
Driving jews into the sea? Who? Where? How can I help?
O-oh. Israel got outraged, that puts an end to that plan then.
"Putz" is so wrong, yet his name seems so right.
It would be interesting to let Israel decide whether Palestine is a state or a concentration camp.
This could be a "payback" for the attacks on the euro. If Israel reins in its Wall St cronies, then the EU and Israel can talk business, but if they continue to play the "divide and conquer" game in Europe, they can't expect any sympathy from EU governments. That's the way international diplomacy works! For the information of Davidgrayling, the EU hasn't existed for 63 years. Its first manifestation, the ECSC, dates from 1952.
Foreign ministers from the European Union have said they would recognise a Palestinian state "when appropriate".
The ministers' declaration on Monday followed a call from Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, for the EU to recognise Palestine based on the 1967 borders.
Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip during the 1967 war. It withdrew its troops from Gaza in 2005.
The EU foreign affairs council "reiterates its readiness, when appropriate, to recognise a Palestinian state", the European foreign ministers' said in a statement.
"Urgent progress is needed towards a two state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict." The ministers said.
Oh, wow! That would be huge! Next, they need to divest, boycott and sanction Israel. And bomb it if necessary. There's one I'm all for if it stops them from spreading more violence everywhere they lay their claws.
And that closing line is priceless for everything else, there's the Anti-Semitism™ Card.
Wadosy… what about the Jews who were living in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc who were expelled? Same old anti-semitic "Jews are Khazars" bullshit.
Warbucks… there's that quote from the PLO terrorist Zuhir Moesen about Palestine just being a term used to deligitimize Israel.
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.
"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."
Palestine is a lie.
by your logic, which is based on "two wrongs make a right" and "might makes right", then arabs had the right to expel jews from arab countries, just as jews had the right to expel palestinians from palestine.
what are the poor baby israelis gonna do when they no longer have their big dumb american muscle to protect them?
live and die by the sword …no problem, GI.
in the meantime, i guess you are too stupid to figure out what israel is doing to jewishness in general.
what if there are jews in the world who still believe in justice, jews who dont believe that might makes right, jews that dont believe two wrongs make a right?
what if israel has committed atrocities which generate so much hate that some of that hate rubs off on decent jews?
on the other hand,maybe any jew that doesnt believe in terrorism, lies and injustice —the basis on which israel was founded— is no longer decent.
When Survival of the Jewish People Is at Stake, There’s No Place for Morals
doublethink at its finest.
and finally, if israelis believe that israel is the sum of jewishness, and that all jews must abandon their morals to defend israel, what does that imply about israeli participation in the 9/11 project?
…especially in view of the fact that the main architects of the PNAC/AEI/exxon/9-11 project seem to be jewish zionists?
anything goes, once you've abandoned your morals, doesnt it?
which accounts for bibi's enthusiasm for the 9/11 project, and accounts for PNAC's stated need for "a new pearl harbor" to get their project started.
one other little thing, here…
the american boomers are potentially the biggest political force in the world –assuming for the sake of argument that a semblance of democracy continues to exist in america.
the boomers are starting to retire, which means they'll have to find something to do, which means a lot of them will probably get on the internet to try to figure out what the hell's happening to their country… assuming the internet survives in anything like its present form.
what this means, is: sooner or later the boomers are gonna figure out that they're gonna have to make a choice… that choice being: wars for oil and israel, or social security.
i guess you guys could declare the state of israeli america, install a zionist dictator, dispense with the pretense of democracy, disable the internet, and herd the boomers off to camp as they retire.
Hej Putz.., the only person in this world who would say such thing would be this radical left-wing Israeli as you put it: "Even radical left-wing Israeli MK Abba Eban called the pre-67 borders "Auschwitz lines." and then there is these people like.., Perez and Barak and Netenyaho and Paul Wolfowitz and Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush and Rumsfeled and Dick Chehney and you.., count how many you are and what you have done to this world and then come up with something new.
EU wil soften it's position once the key figures get the cheques or investments in their countries from the rich jews or from US.
Anyway EU are not free countries and can not do anything without US approval.