Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke with President-elect Donald Trump to congratulate him on his victory against Vice President Kamala Harris and said the two discussed the “Iranian threat.”
According to a statement released by Netanyahu’s office, the Israeli leader was “among the first to call” Trump after his victory.
“Their conversation was warm and cordial,” the statement said. “The Prime Minister congratulated President-elect Trump on his election victory. The two agreed to work together for Israel’s security, and also discussed the Iranian threat.”
In a separate statement, Netanyahu called Trump’s victory the world’s “greatest comeback” and appeared to take a shot at President Biden by saying Trump’s return to the White House “offers a new beginning for America and a powerful recommitment to the great alliance between Israel and America.”
During his time in office, Trump was extremely pro-Israel, but his relationship with Netanyahu soured when the Israeli leader congratulated President Biden on winning the 2020 election when Trump was still disputing the results. The move angered Trump, who had harsh words for Netanyahu in 2021, but the two have been friendly as Trump has been on the campaign trail this year.
The Washington Post reported that during a call in October, Trump praised Israeli military actions in Lebanon following Israel’s dramatic escalations. “He didn’t tell him what to do militarily, but he expressed that he was impressed by the pagers,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who was also on the call, told the Post. “He expressed his awe for their military operations and what they have done. He told them, do what you have to do to defend yourself.”
On the campaign trail, Trump has accused Biden and Harris of “abandoning” Israel even though they’ve provided more military aid to Israel than any other US administration in history. Trump’s campaign received a $100 million donation from Miriam Adelson, the widow of the casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who wants the US to support the Israeli annexation of the West Bank.
Trump has vowed that he will strongly support Israel when he returns to office and has said Israel has to “finish the problem,” referring to the genocidal campaign in Gaza. According to a report from The Times of Israel, Trump has told Netanyahu that he wants the war to be over by the time he returns to office by January 20, 2025. However, one of the Times’ sources stressed that Trump wasn’t specific in his appeal to Netanyahu and could well back “residual” Israeli military activity in Gaza.
Israel is currently in the process of attempting to carry out an ethnic cleansing campaign in northern Gaza, known as the “general’s plan,” which could pave the way for the establishment of Jewish settlements. Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, one of the biggest proponents of expelling Palestinians from Gaza, also celebrated Trump’s victory in a post on X.
Oye Vey!…. https://media4.giphy.com/media/HJvoVwFCzP8PwCEtGD/giphy-downsized-small.mp4
Who's that chick? She looks hot. Is she having an orgasm? 🙂
Not good for the Palestinians. My prediction is in next 4 years Israel will annexed more of the West Bank if not all of it.
Could it get any worse for the Palestinians? Seriously.
Yes, it can.
how, what next?
How? Israel could cut all the power, destroy the water supply and of course cut all food shipment. So yea, it could be worst. Not saying that Israel will or should, but it can get worst for the Palestinians.
And what would the Israelis gain in that case? They already cut all food shipments and destroyed all the infrastructure including the water supply and the medical care, all that is left is rubble. Both, the USA and Israel have become pariah nations, hated around the world and trusted by no one. How will they make up for that kind of loss? Advanced industrial nations have been destroyed by the USA/NATO. Biden did his job well, they destroyed the European economy and NATO IN THE PROCESS. Great job, of Joe the baby killer and Netanyahu, the butcher of Gaza, and the Zionist monsters and neocons. They won, they flattened the ME and much of Europe and are destroying the working middle class in the USA to pay for it. That is what victory looks like.
The Israelis did all that already, what else could they do to the Palestinians? And what did it bring to the Israelis other than rubble and increased real and justified anti-Zionism AKA anti-Semitism? They are killing a nation for a pile of rubble and ruins, what a price to pay for just that, brutally massacring a nation including women and children, including new born babies and toddlers?
What monsters the Israeli people have become. How can that be possible?
If Israel were to do that they would be even more of a pariah state in the international community than they are now.
From Israel point of view: So what?
One of your comments that actually makes sense. The ongoing genocide in Gaza is proof that Israel obviously does not care what the international community thinks. But it takes a heartless bastard to do what they have done, so it's understandable.
Sure, Israel has no enemies worth mentioning and the US will provide military support and foot the bill. What could possibly go wrong for Israel?
My crystal ball looks very different.
Israel can't escape justice forever.
After all the political water-carrying and genocide enabling that Biden and Harris did, this is how they are repaid. Lesson for the future? No, because losing is one of the roles they are paid to play.
Remember Trump re the Golan?
Northern Gaza is likely to get the same treatment.
His son-in-law is probably already negotiating real estate deals and promising Bibi that Ivanka will get Daddy to send in troops to relocate all the Palestinians to some compliant or occupied Arab state.
Jared and Ivanka played no role in the 2024 campaign. It will be interesting to see if they will be allowed any role to play in the new administration. I tend to doubt it, but we'll see.
Correct.
They played no role in the 2024 campaign.
They’ll probably hold no official positions in the next regime.
Their role will be to peddle influence/access so that maybe four years from now Trump can have as much money as he’d have right now if he had just stuck his inheritance in an indexed mutual fund instead of having so many of his “business” scams collapse.
He may have to send in troops to first clean up the properties, taxpayer paid of course.
I hear he and the sonofabitch in law are on the outs and I doubt he’s really all that forgiving and forgetting of Bibi gunofabitch either.
Would you feel safe living in an Israeli settlement in Golan knowing a Hezbollah rocket or drone could smash into your house at any time?
One of the many reasons this war can't end. Hamas is still operating in Gaza and will continue to do so since Israel doesn't have the balls to find and close the tunnel network. Hamas can't be defeated until every Palestinian is dead in both Gaza and the West Bank and all the Hamas operatives in the tunnels are dead. Israel doesn't have the ability to do either.
Hezbollah won't stop firing missiles into all of Israel until there is a ceasefire with Hamas, which won't happen. Israel doesn't have the ability to defeat Hezbollah, which leaves it to the US to do that – and the US will fail, too.
So this war can only expand, not end, until Israel is destroyed and the US is driven from the Middle East permanently.
Q.E.D.
The Zios will use starvation and disease instead of boots under the ground.
Cowardly but effective.
"his relationship with Netanyahu soured when the Israeli leader congratulated President Biden on winning the 2020 election when Trump was still disputing the results. The move angered Trump, who had harsh words for Netanyahu in 2021, but the two have been friendly as Trump has been on the campaign trail this year."
Trump never forgets.
And I wait now for the morons who think Trump will stop all the wars…"because he didn't start any wars in his first term"…
As Martyanov says, "You can't convince an imbecile he's an imbecile, because he's an imbecile."
Only an imbecile would have voted for more of the same. We needed Change. We needed a President who isn't afraid to speak of Peace.
We had the choice of two imbeciles who stood for more of the same.
Trump clearly has no interest in peace. He supported the continued war in Syria, and vetoed a bill when Congress tried to cut off support for the war in Yemen. He also assassinated an Iranian military leader – an act of war that came close to triggering active conflict with Iran, and he sent offensive weapons to Ukraine.
Trump was the one who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem; he doesn't even pretend to care about the Palestinians; and the GOP (now in charge of both houses) invited Netanyahu to address Congress.
So, I don't see Israel scrambling to end the war in Gaza anytime soon, on account of the US election.
Israel just experienced the worst year in its 75 year history. All of AIPAC’s money can’t change that reality. They may own the US Congress but that hasn’t changed the reality on the ground where they live.
EVERY year is Israel's "worst year in its 75 year history."
They've a persecution complex so vast and deep it makes the Jehovah's Witnesses seem comfortable and serene by comparison.
An invasion and massacre of 800 Israeli civilians and 400 Israeli military in one day was a huge unprecedented shock for Israel.
Yes, it was. That was the purpose of the attack, and why Hamas spent two years and millions of dollars secretly planning the attack; but I think we can agree that Hamas has experienced some blow-back from that event. And their hopes that they would be joined by Hezbollah, Iran, the Houthis, Iraqi militias, and other anti-Israeli forces did not significantly materialize. In fact, most of the entire Muslim and Arab world showed little support for the attack. It was a historic miscalculation. In other words, a flop.
You're an idiot. Welcome to my block.
Alexander can Tell us more about Anti-Semtitism on Campus
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/039c477f484c64863b2a2d0ef3c759e1c55d24d8b218ba7c6cc897365f84916f.jpg
What do you want to know? You can start here:
Jewish University of Michigan student target of 'bias-motivated' attack, police say
https://foxbaltimore.com/station/share/jewish-university-of-michigan-student-target-of-bias-motivated-attack-police-say-ann-arbor-police-chief-andre-anderson-hillel-rabbi-davey-rosen-antisemitism
Five Jewish college students report being assaulted in the last month, as Oct. 7 anniversary approaches:
"University of Pittsburgh students Asher Goodwin and Ilan Gordon were walking to the first Shabbat service of the school year on Aug. 30 wearing yarmulkes. As they made their way to the campus Hillel building, they said, an older man wearing a keffiyeh approached them from behind and started to beat them with a large glass bottle."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/five-jewish-college-students-report-assaulted-last-month-rcna171727
Too many others to list them all.
https://edworkforce.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=412025
https://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/2024/summer/featured-stories/antisemitism.html
https://edworkforce.house.gov/uploadedfiles/10.30.24_committee_on_education_and_the_workforce_republican_staff_report_-_antisemitism_on_college_campuses_exposed.pdf
Personally, I don't think people should be violently attacked based on their beliefs or faith. But that's me.
And showing a picture of some man pointing his fingers at a young woman is a feeble argument. First, we have no idea who the people are, where this happened, or if this is even real, staged, or photoshopped; second, it has nothing to do with colleges; third, it has nothing to do with well-documented anti-Semitic acts on many US college campuses, including serious death threats to Jews on US campuses, such as at Cornel.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/13/nx-s1-5073786/cornell-university-student-sentenced-antisemitic-threats
Sure those incidents were all entirely improvoked.
They are dozens if not hundreds of videos of genociders violently provoking innoncents.
Like the IDF thugs on Thursday running amok in Amsterdam,
Your lies don’t work anymore.
BTW – interesting thsg someone who actively supports genocide is whining about genociders getting confronted
Your comments are not worth responding to. Better to just block you, which I just did.
They succeeded in putting all eyes on Palestine and the struggle there.
Yes, terror attacks gain attention (same with 9/11), but "all eyes"? Maybe at Harvard and Columbia dormitories, where brave trust-fund babies wearing keffiyehs scream at and threaten "certain" students for not chanting "From the River to the Sea!" with sufficient gusto.
Personally, I think it would have been better for the people of Gaza if Hamas had not engaged in an illegal coup to violently occupy Gaza, and instead helped the people of Gaza have a prosperous, nonviolent society at peace with its neighbors. I know – that's just crazy talk! Living peacefully with other countries!
Why do you support Genocide ?
Why do you support clichés?
I oppose any form of murder. I support peaceful coexistence.
So you support the evacuation of all occupied territories since 1947 ? The payment for damages ?
And of course war crimes trials for the genociders ?
Those are vague questions, more bumper stickers.
1. When you refer to "occupied territories", do you mean everywhere, or only Israel? What about occupied California, New Mexico, and Colorado? Should they be evacuated, as well? How about occupied North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan?
And here's an easy one – occupied Gaza. Hamas is not a legal government; the legal government in Gaza is the Palestinian Authority (PA). Hamas took over Gaza in a violent coup after disputed elections and has no legal right to rule there. So, yes, I think Hamas should immediately evacuate from Gaza.
As to the West Bank, the territory is disputed, not "occupied". The territory was claimed by Jordan but Jordan dropped it's claim; so how can you occupy a territory that belongs to no nation?
And as noted here many times, the claim of "genocide" is absurd. Israeli Arabs have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world, and the Palestinian population had been rapidly increasing.
Israel does not attack people who do not attack them. They have peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt, and even returned large amounts of land to Egypt in the oil-rich Sinai. Unless attacked, Israel left Gaza alone up to Oct. 6. If Hamas was a peaceful organization, right now Gaza would be a safe and prosperous territory. Instead, they chose to murder Israeli men, women, children, and babies. You seem to be suggesting that the appropriate response to an organization that murders your people is to flee, and pay "damages".
I suggest you fly to Gaza and show your support for Hamas in person. Why wouldn't you?
Occupied Territories as defined by the International Community. No dispute here.
See map; https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2cf3ce75ffa0f1a356aaf6d97628e2ad5106805c4c9485d70b80d7c87dc3a12e.jpg
The map is not "the international community". Read the top. It is a "plan". However, the plan was rejected by the Arab League and Arab nations, which decided to settle the issue by war.
There was a war. They lost.
Also, Israel and the internationally recognized representative of the Palestinian people reached a deal, defining the borders with Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which included the West Bank and Gaza.
However, Hamas violated that deal and staged a violent coup, illegally occupying Gaza.
So, this earlier plan no longer applies. However, the only group violating the deal with Israel and the Palestinians is Hamas, which no country recognizes as a legitimate government.
Ther “plan” was accepted by Israel as a condition of UN membership, and has never since been renegotiated or amended, leaving those borders in place to this day for purposes of international recognition.
You don’t have to like it. It’s a fact whether you like it or not. Any Israeli presence outside the UNR borders is invasion/occupation.
The Israeli ambassador to the UN, Gilad Erda, said "The time has come for Israel to seriously consider the pros and cons of withdrawing from the United Nations."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_United_Nations#cite_note-80
Considering that UN staff allegedly participated in the attack on Israeli civilians on Oct. 7, why should Israel stay in the UN? They could join Taiwan, Kosovo, Northern Cyprus, and other countries that do not recognize the UN.
(same with 9/11)
You danced didn’t you..
You mean, like "some" Palestinians, who supported Bin Laden's attack on the US? https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/09/12/palestinians-celebrated-the-september-11-attacks-for-years-an-illustrated-history/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/09/10/rejection-of-extremism/
Those hundreds of Israelis massacred by the IDF Gunships and Main Battle Tanks on 7.Oct was certainly shocking. Hardly anyone believed the Hannibal Directive was going to be used to kill hundreds of Israelis.
Especially since the massacre was perpetrated by their own IDF.
Zionism IS antiSemitism!
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Let’s say ~500 civilians with the rest as friendly-fire deaths. Numbering close to that.
Worst year? That's hard to say; it certainly wasn't a great year for either Yahya "the stick" Sinwar or Hassan Nasrallah.
The US military establishment isn't controlled by a fairly small lobbying group; they make their decisions based on US self-interest and geopolitical calculations, including those focused on the trillion-dollar petrochemical industry.
Further, Israel not only is a dependable ally in the turbulent Middle East and a buffer against "Death to America" Iran, but also the source of advanced military, medical, and computer technology (they even warned the US about 9/11).
So, if you think money from AIPAC controls US foreign policy…then you are not well informed.
"Death to America"
The Empire… NOT the Republic.
The “republic” created in the American Revolution was overthrown in 1789.
The “republic” created in 1789 was overthrown circa 1861.
The “republic” that emerged from the 1861 revolution was overthrown with the culmination of the Progressive Era in the New Deal.
The “republic” that has evolved from the New Deal / Great Society / National Security State paradigm is in decline.
The Republic endures.
As long as the true American carries the flame of liberty that lights the way on the dark road ahead and through the endless night.
The Republic shall forever endure God willing.
Sempre Fi 🇺🇸
If the most recent presidential election is any indication, “the true American” is a rare species indeed, topping out at MAYBE 2% of the population, but probably much less.
Basically it’s anyone who voted for Jill Stein.
Well, at least some of those who voted for Jill Stein, Chase Oliver, et al. Not all of them, though (I voted for Oliver and wouldn’t make that claim for myself.).
There’s just no way to square a vote for Harris or Trump with being a “true American” who supports “the Republic.”
I can accept a vote for Trump as a practical way of dislodging a dangerous and criminal incompetent from the levers of power.
Yes, it’s a practical way of dislodging a dangerous and criminal incompetent from the levers of power — and replacing that dangerous and criminal incompetent with another dangerous criminal incompetent. It’s still a vote against “America” and “the republic” though.
It’s more against the Empire and the death culture that envelopes it.
The Obamas, the Clintons, the Bushs, the Chaneys, the McCains – all had the worst night of their lives the other night and that is a good thing.
Celebrate! 🥂
It was the victory of people who like the murder gang wearing red jerseys over people who like the murder gang wearing blue jerseys and nothing else.
There’s always an up side, of course. Harris lost. Yay. If Trump had lost, it would have also been yay.
Yeah, well, you didn't get one. Nothing Trump says can be believed. The man is a total liar about everything.
That childish argument didn’t work too well in the election did it?
“Nothing Trump says can be believed. The man is a total liar ”
Let’s hope that’s so with his commitment to Israel’s security.
Why? Israel is a US ally. In fact, by law, Israel is a "major non-NATO ally".
Also, I've spoken to many Trump supporters, who are strong supporters of Israel, especially Fundamentalist Christians, who are often outspoken Zionists. And recall that Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, which meant the US government (including Congress) supported the Israeli position on Jerusalem and didn't support the Palestinian, Arab, and Muslim position on the future status of Jerusalem, or the original design of the UN partition plan.
Don’t you think it’s kind of weird that neither Israel’s capital, nor the US embassy “in” Israel, is um, in Israel?
Because they are not a US ally. We share no treaty and Israel has a long history of stabbing us in the back when it suites them.
The Evangelicals are in decline with their youth rejecting the fundamentalist creed of the older generation and any association with the current program of genocide. The Orthodox Jews are also experiencing the same phenomena. The future belongs to the kids protesting in the streets and college campuses.
Trump, who has some pretty good political instincts, has already told some harsh truths to some hard core Zionists that Israel is losing the battle for public opinion and that they had to end the onslaughter and end it soon… And for once they shut up and listened.
False.
Israel is, by US law, a "major non-NATO ally."
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel/#:~:text=Israel%20has%20been%20designated%20as,relationship%20with%20the%20United%20States.
When has Israel "stabbed us" in the back on many occasions?
The Evangelical Christians are not in decline. The "kids protesting" have little support or credibility, especially as they seem to have a very superficial understanding of the Middle East and the Israel-Arab conflict. They don't even appear to understand their own slogans.
Your perceptions of Trump seem superficial and not based on any reality. Certainly, you offer no sources. Maybe this is from a paper you wrote at Columbia or Harvard? I'm sure you got an "A" but here in the real world, we like facts and proof, not bumper stickers and vague claims, which you do not provide.
Trump's comments about Israel include "do what you have to do," and he has no real incentive to ask Israel to end the war, especially when they are still destroying Iran proxies.
Do you ever question the breaking of international laws and moral judgement of the ruling elite? Your attitude is mindboggling, there is no consideration of basic human rights of the Palestinians, the war crimes and destruction of the people and Gaza never crosses your mind?
Others to watch:
David Friedman, who served as the U.S. ambassador to Israel during Trump's first administration, could go back for another term in this post.
https://www.axios.com/2024/11/07/trump-national-security-foreign-policy-team
Really depressing reading the names Trump is considering. And I heard Don Jr. say that he wants nothing but yes men for daddy's cabinet.
Any talk about letting the aid trucks in immediately? I understand Trump will be different in his second term. Might as well get an early start.
Who will make the decision Trump or Netanyahu?
My comment was smart ass in nature. But as to your question, neither.
Final President Trump will personally oversee trucks entering Gaza fully loaded with AIDS.
Can't wait to see who will be in his cabinet, that could be a hint of what to expect from the Trump administration. He is not really knowledgeable about domestic or foreign detailed policy issues, he is not a Putin.
Rest assured, as each is announced I intend to check their names against the Authors and Contributors of Project 2025 and will absolutely make noise if I find correlation.
Heritage Foundation LLC must be giggling like schoolgirls all this week. P2025 brags it got Reagan to adopt 60% of their recommendations when he took office. Trump will sign off on everything someone tells him will make him powerful.
Kamala Harris sacrificed herself on the altar of Zionism.
Well said! Well said! Maybe time for us to expound upon this subject!
Did she have a choice? Kamala's handlers and donors made those foreign policy decisions for her.
And Trump making the same decisions on his own is a good thing?
Will the donor class allow him to decide, or will they tell him how to decide?
She failed to adopt Final President Trump's "strategic switcharoo" method.
Say you'll do (A), convincing your legions to believe you. Then, come decision time, do (not-A). Tell everyone (not-A) was your policy all along. Let your apologist sycophants decry fact-checkers as "fake news".
Harris easily could have told the public she would stop the genocide; secretly told her donors and puppeteers she won't; then come January, done whichever of the two she actually feels like doing AFTER she's inaugurated.
She failed to adopt Final President Trump's "strategic switcharoo" method.
Say you'll do (A), convincing your legions to believe you. Then, come decision time, do (not-A). Tell everyone (not-A) was your policy all along. Let your apologist sycophants decry fact-checkers as "fake news".
Harris easily could have told the public she would stop the genocide; secretly told her donors and puppeteers she won't; then come January, done whichever of the two she actually feels like doing AFTER she's inaugurated.
She failed to adopt Final President Trump's "strategic switcharoo" method.
Say you'll do (A), convincing your legions to believe you. Then, come decision time, do (not-A). Tell everyone (not-A) was your policy all along. Let your apologist sycophants decry fact-checkers as "fake news".
Harris easily could have told the public she would stop the genocide; secretly told her donors and puppeteers she won't; then come January, done whichever of the two she actually feels like doing AFTER she's inaugurated.
You can’t easily hide the gross slaughter of the innocents in Gaza that has been going on for over a year. Vice-President Kamala was up to her neck in the blood of Palestinian children.
Oh totally. Yeah, you do have a valid point, Harris was going nowhere with that Gaza millstone hung on her by Biden.
And the time to break trajectory would’ve been the moment Joltin’ Joe announced he was not seeking another term. Not “October 24th or so”.
She owned it by not disowning it.
For some 4 decades the Democrats took their constituents for granted and ignored their concerns and needs after the elections. The voters had enough of it and stayed home, the chickens are coming home to roost. The millionaire elected official elite took care of the donor class, not the voting working middle class.
The Dems deserve what they got, all of it. The Queen of Joy acted like Queen Marie Antoinette when she said "let them eat cake." That is the democrats to their voters.
In a red winner take all state my vote never counted, but this time I did not bother to vote at all, there was nothing to vote for.
You are 100% correct.
And 100% blameless in the outcome. You did not vote Trump and you did not vote More Of The Same. You Abstained.
Which, ironically, is likely to become the only form of birth control legal in the United States as Trump’s White Christian Nationalist base starts demanding their theocracy.
With a SC dominated by Catholics anything is possible, WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE.
And here’s where it gets amusing to me. The White Christian Nationalists backing Trump are primarily of the Evangelical, very-Far-Right strain. A good many of them view the Church of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) and the Roman Catholic Church, as cults. Ihovians (Jehovah’s Witnesses) too, but they tend to be apolitical.
I’ve said it before and will repeat here : “Christians” across the world are deeply divided. The estimate I go with is 35,000 distinct sects worldwide, with roughly 7,000 of those in the USA.
The hardcore Evangelicals in America tend to see the RCC as “the whore of Babylon” and “Mary-worshipping idolators”; and view the Mormons as a complete cult all their own that is also “not Christian”. UNFORTUNATELY those two sects have nautical a$$-tons of money and remarkable political sway. So a US Supreme Court “dominated” by Catholics (and I tend to view the SC Justices as handing down verdicts in line with legal principles, not religious ones) will face an Executive Branch dominated by Evangelicals, a Legislative Branch that’s 90% Christian or more, and a few states (Utah, Missouri, Hawaii) where the CLDS hold major-to-significant local power (with Islam possibly of minority strength in some states, like Michigan). If & when Trump abandons all of the First Amendment, particularly the Establishment Clause, and embraces “Christianity” as the State’s preferred religion, the world is going to see a LOT of different (and vehemently opposing) Christian sects showing up in DC to take “their” seat at the tables of power.
Anyone who wants religious wars in the USA, this is precisely how. Every variant of Christianity in the USA has tremendous strength; but none have ADVANTAGE, because the gov’t may not favor any religion (or subsect) over another. Eliminating the First Amendment and its protections, as Trump has spoken of doing, will set Christians against each other. Even as an atheist, I don’t want that.
Trump is nuts, to get a vote he will say anything. The first amendment is essential, it GIVES US THE RIGHT to have NO Religion and the right to be SECULAR HUMANISTs and say to hell with religion.
I must say, I respect other people’s religion and their right to live by their religion, but I refuse to be forced to live by their religion or to permit them to force anyone to live according to their believes and judgements.
Indeed. A country is better off with no formalised, official religion. Particularly because, when adopting an Official State Religion, the questions invariably become, “Which one, and why exactly that one ?”
“Now the work begins to dismantle the pro-abortion policies of the Biden-Harris administration,” the Susan B. Anthony List, the powerful anti-abortion lobby, said in a statement Wednesday. “President Trump’s first-term pro-life accomplishments are the baseline for his second term.”
I did not know how close your prediction really is. Not in my wildest dreams did I think of these Christian Nut Jobs.
The “Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America” organization is listed as on the PROJECT 2025 Advisory Board. With a “Stephen Billy” listed as a Contributor to P2025.
Will you say the same thing about Trump if the war goes on for another full year.
She did not have much to lose, but what about Walz, what motivated him, he jumped on a sinking ship. There will be a gigantic clean up waiting for the Trump administration. The buck stops where, on Trump's desk?
In this case the losers appear to be the winners.
Yes. And just this morning I saw an article where Michigan's Arab-American community basically said "we told you so".
I wonder hos the Michigan Arab-American community will feel when trump OK Israel annexing more of the West Bank or maybe the whole thing. Or how will they feel if trump decides to attack Iran because he feels that Iran is trying to kill him.
Israel made a deal with the PA over the West Bank, which more or less has held. The real question is the future of Gaza.
Officially, Gaza is under the control of the Palestinian Authority. Hamas engaged in a violent coup and tossed out the PA, and illegally occupies Gaza.
It's not clear what the post-war situation will be in Gaza, in part because it's likely that no one has figured out a plan. Egypt doesn't want to get involved, and the PA seems to want to stay out.
As for attacking Iran, there is no way to do that. It is much larger and better equipped than Iraq, which was very difficult to attack by US forces. However, Iran is protected by mountains, which are not friendly to tanks. Ideally, Iran would prefer peaceful coexistence, but that doesn't seem to be its plan.
The PA are serving strictly Israeli interests, that is how they make a living, Hamas was elected and the people support Hamas, the PA are traitors in the eyes of the Palestinian people. You should at least know that little fact, Abbas is nothing but an old man, a traitor to his people.
Mostly false.
The PA, under Arafat, made a peace accord with Israel, and mostly have maintained the agreement and peace with Israel.
Hamas won PA elections but this was disputed; during the conflict, Hamas staged a violent coup in Gaza and illegally occupies Gaza, so Hamas is literally traitors against the legal government (the PA).
You don't speak for the Palestinians in Gaza, and they can't speak for themselves, as Hamas does not allow elections or dissent. Anyone who dissents in Gaza is tortured or killed.
If Abbas is corrupt – compared to what? The heads of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, or Egypt? Or how about the president of the United States?
Your posts are narrative BS.
I assume if you could refute my points, you would, but you can't, so you don't.
And yes, Hamas illegally occupies Gaza. They are not a legitimate government.
You have the issue, I don’t, so do your own research if you want to prove me wrong. Hamas was elected, prove me wrong.
You are not well-informed. That's your problem, not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)
That is your opinion, it means nothing to me, I know what I know and don’t care about what you know.
OK, if you want to ignore the facts and call those my "opinion," then there is nothing to discuss.
But if you can't discuss issues, why are you on a discussion board? That makes no sense.
The two of you are very much alike in that you believe what you believe because it’s what you want to believe.
Thomas, I am not like Alexander, you are offending me.
Being offended and $2.49 will get you a large iced coffee at McDonald’s. It won’t make your wishes come true just because you wish they were true.
Thomas, why that BS?
It’s occasionally worth noticing that whenever you decide to take a side, all the principals on that side magically become “statesmen” or “freedom fighters” who can do no wrong. Not because that’s what they are, but because that’s what you want them to be.
And you call them terrorists because that is the government’s narrative and Freedom fighters when it suits the government. If you have Hamas in mind they are true freedom fighters, they fight and dye for their human rights, like it or not, they are Palestinian freedom fighters, a bit corny, I prefer resistance because they fight against the brutal Israeli occupiers, by UN and international standards. And yes, Putin is a statesman whether you like it or not and it is why the Russian people keep reelecting him, he serves the Russian people and not American interests. Our government, I am sorry to say, serves corporate interests not the interests of the American people.
I would like to call our leaders statesmen, but I am sorry to say, they are not statesmen, that includes NATO members. We need real statesmen, honest people with integrity. The Hungarian PM Orban is a STATESMAN, Germany’s PM’ Scholz is not, he sold his nation, he is a treasonous man, he is not serving the people he swore to serve, the same is true for the members of his coalition.
Your opinion is based on your judgement, and I have my opinion based on my judgement. That is my democratic right.
“And you call them terrorists because that is the government’s narrative and Freedom fighters when it suits the government.”
That’s an odd little lie about me.
I under stand that “terrorism” is a tactic, that “freedom fighting” is a goal, and that it is completely and entirely possible to be BOTH a “terrorist” and a “freedom fighter.”
As for governments, what suits them means nothing to me. And that applies whether the government is headquartered in Washington or Moscow or Kyiv or occupied Jerusalem or any other place.
I disagree. I provide clear, reliable sources to back all of my statements, such as the legal status of Hamas.
Facts are not opinions.
That is your opinion, so what?
I am blocking you. Bye.
I hear the Zionists are hosing it down.
I bet Trump told him not to start WWIII. Emphasis on TOLD HIM.
"not to start WWII" Pretty safe bet since WWII has been over with for 80 years. LOL.
I doubt Trump was able to TELL him anything. With his lips firmly planted on Netanyahu’s ass and his tongue massaging Netanyahu’s taint, it was probably just not possible to talk.
Ouch! Read too far in and couldn't avoid a mental picture.
You’re already on thin ice. Keep it up and you’ll end up in one of Trump’s dreaded camps.
No biggie. I’ve assumed I’m at at least some risk of imprisonment or death over politics since the Clinton regime. Sometimes more likely the former, sometimes more likely the latter.
So you can totally understand what Trump has been facing.
I was reading some comments that the Arab Americans think that Trump will strong arm Israel in ending the war and give in to Palestinians demands for their own state. They are in for a big surprise.
There’s no way mere constituents or the illusion of a conscience in Trump can compete with pro Israel dollars.
Thinking that Trump will push for a less aggressive Israeli posture is magical thinking at its finest. They forget that Trump killed the leading Iranian general and has been a long-time friend of Netanyahu.
The Arab-American vote was a rejection of complicit response or lack there of by Harris. Nothing more.
Some comments don't make a majority and think is not the same as believe. Arabs know very well who really controls the US government decisions . Arabs are under no delusion about US politics. But this might be the reason for some hopeful thinking. It could be you who would be in for a big surprise. Who knows? We all have to just wait and see. Nothing stays the same.
"US vice presidential nominee JD Vance has appeared to temper a potential Trump administration’s support for Israel during a recent interview, arguing that the US and Jewish state can at times have conflicting interests and warning that Washington should seek to avoid a war with Iran, the Jewish state’s chief adversary in the Middle East.
During the nearly hour-and-a-half interview with podcaster Tim Dillon, Vance stated that although he believes Israel has the right to defend itself from threats, there are instances in which the Jewish state’s military goals could conflict with US interests.
“Israel has the right to defend itself, but America’s interest is sometimes going to be distinct — like sometimes we’re going to have overlapping interests and sometimes we’re going to have distinct interests, and our interest, I think, very much is in not going to war with Iran,” Vance said.
The Republican senator from Ohio argued that a war between Iran and the US would be a significant resource drain on the American military.
“It would be [a] huge distraction of resources; it would be massively expensive to our country,” Vance said.
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/10/28/jd-vance-says-us-israel-sometimes-have-distinct-interests-underscores-importance-avoiding-war-iran/
Maybe that exact same billboard in Tel Aviv needs to be put up in Times Square, along with a footnote about what the penalty for treason is in this country.
In this country, the penalty for treason — which is legally impossible at the moment and has been since 1945 — is whatever Congress chooses to set it at other than corruption of blood.
Well, except for those pesky Rosenbergs…
Including those pesky Rosenbergs. They were neither prosecuted for nor convicted of treason. There was an initial treason charge but it was dropped before the trial, presumably since they couldn’t have been convicted of a crime it was impossible for them to commit.
Recent evidence suggests that Ethel Rosenberg – who was executed – was aware of his husband's activities but did not engage in espionage.
She was electrocuted, but the first few attempts were not successful, and it took five attempts to end her life.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/declassified-documents-shed-light-on-ethel-rosenbergs-involvement-in-her-husbands-cold-war-spy-case
So I’ve read.
But the material issue was that Sovereign seemed to think they were executed for treason. While treason was on the initial charge sheet, it was dropped before the case reached trial.
Yes, "treason" is a term that gets thrown around a lot. Ann Coulter wrote a book called "Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism".
The US Constitution says: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
It is interesting that they used to refer to the United States as a them. Plural noun.
In the Constitution proper, the United States was referred to as a plural noun (the states comprising a federation). By the Bill of Rights, it had become a singular noun (the federal government).
Yes, they were charged with and executed for espionage.
As the US Congress has not declared war since it declared war on Bulgaria in 1942. But was that war ever declared concluded? Perhaps we are still at war with Bulgaria; hence, anyone aiding or abetting Bulgaria could be charged with treason.
(I had a friend who went to a zoo in that part of the world during the Cold War, and he said the people were so poor the zoo had a regular house cat on display).
I'm not saying you are wrong, but can you explain why treason is legally impossible?
Here’s the law:
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
Treason is a crime of war, a legal status which only obtains during periods when Congress has so declared. The last such period was 1941-45.
Which is why the last treason prosecutions which went to trial were for actions taken during World War 2.
OK Thanks. I did not know that.
Are you saying that a US ally acknowledging the results of the US election is an act of treason?
Winning the election is one thing… being inaugurated is another…! Lots of time between now and Jan 19, 2025…!
Everyone told you so…
Yeah, here’s the word about “the new world under Trump” from Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal on X:
Aaron Maté @aaronjmate
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One of the key architects of Trump’s “Maximum Pressure” on Iranian civilians. Early signal that Trump is going Maximum Neocon:
Kylie Atwood
@kylieatwood
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Brian Hook, a top State Department official during the first Trump admin, is expected to lead the transition team at the State Dept for President-elect Donald Trump, sources tell me + @jmhansler.
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
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For those who don’t recall, Brian Hook was the head of the Iran Action Group in Pompeo’s State Dept, overseeing the maximum pressure policy that culminated with Soleimani’s assassination Trump is already letting the neocons back in the building
Kylie Atwood
@kylieatwood
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Brian Hook, a top State Department official during the first Trump admin, is expected to lead the transition team at the State Dept for President-elect Donald Trump, sources tell me + @jmhansler.
Sounds like a repeat of the first term, buckle your seatbelt. Biden came with the old Obama team including Nuland and Blinken and Sullivan if I am not mistaken. And look at the chaos they leave behind.
Could be bad news for Iran, if Trump plans to slam Salami.
If trump feels that Iran is going after him, he might just decide to Iran first.
Trump is definitely pro-Zionist. Still, probably, no one, including Trump himself, knows exactly how far Trump and his team will go in their unconditional support of Zionist crimes. One thing is clear: Trump would like to finish the bloodshed in Gaza as soon as possible. With Lebanon and Iran it is even more difficult. This time Iran has support of Russia and China. Is Trump ready to follow the road of escalation together with Satanyahu to the bitter end? Probably not.
Although Trump's supporters include open anti-Semites, many of his base are strong supporters of Israel.
As for Trump, he doesn't really have any views – just self-focused emotions – but he did confront Iran – killing their top general, ending the Iran Deal – and he said they want to assassinate him, so there is no reason he would block an Israeli attack on Iran, or even a joint US-Israeli attack, which would make him look tough.
And Russia and China have no love for Iran either. Both countries have reasons to fear Iran because of their own restive populations.
While there are many winners and losers in a Trump presidency, it looks clear to me that Iran is a big loser.
I see you points, but interesting trump did nothing when Iran blasted our airbase. As trump mental state continues to slide down, who knows what he will do.
That is true; the Iranian attack caused traumatic brain injury among US troops. Trump first said nothing happened, then said it was just a few headaches; then he did nothing. However, reports from Iran suggest they are not happy, and the Iranian currency took a dive.
But who knows? Between his declining mental state and general lack of conviction and knowledge, it's hard to predict what he'll do. He doesn't even know. But he's clearly not a friend to Iran.
I think he wants the whole Gaza mess off his plate and will do some behind the scenes arm twisting to do it. Something that the pathetic Biden didn’t have the chops for.
You mean the illegal military base ?
No one wanted to assassinate Trump. No one was injured, that was Ketchup around his ear. Looks like some campaign trick, any gun owner could do better than that. Not even a bystander was injured, it must have been a joke.
BTW, Alexander, your wisdom is impressive.
Actually, one person was killed during the assassination attempt. Ketchup? I have to assume you are joking.
If you don't know, who does? What happened to the investigation? Are they still investigating?
Like a lot of high-profile crimes, I don't feel we get the whole picture, for whatever reason. Take the Las Vegas shooter, for example, 58 people killed; major tragedy; but the story kept changing, and it never made any sense, and it quickly disappeared. So, clearly the public is not fully informed about a lot of things.
That is the reason why we need credible evidence to know not just believe.
The whole thing looks like a campaign hoax, it is not credible and not plausible.
Do you ever consider what the other side will do?
Russia, China, and Iran have the same interests and the same enemy, while the USA and Israel are losing their allies. USA and Israel may end up on an island of ruins and rubble in a radioactive cloud and all alone.
Trump can't stop the Gaza Genocide. The only way to do that is stop the arms flow. And that can't happen in the real world. He would be assassinated by the Deep State if he tried that. And he knows it.
We will know more after he picks his advisers. He will always make sure to CHA, he will simply walk away if he has to.
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/11/for-this-alone.html
"Per DJT, as a NYC real estate shyster he will try to "sell" 404 to Russia in exchange for China. He will fail. But he will try. I hope Doug MacGregor gets some position in his cabinet and will explain to him what REAL war is."–Andrei Martyanov
My greatest concern is a US civil war or disturbance predicated on a deflationary collapse or one delayed by hyperinflation. A US president could induce said collapse and global financial destruction by escalating US missile forces in Ukraine and Israel against Russia and the Axis of Resistance, respectively.
I'm 'optimistic' about a Donald Trump presidency, but I can't qualify it amid many imminent domestic and foreign crises.
If his administration doesn't implement a slash-and-burn mindset on Day 1, e.g., regarding reducing government outlays and social constructs such as DEI, it's all over.
Yeah, he could start by reducing aid to Israel, but we all know that will never happen.
He has no motivation for reducing any government spending; however, the aid to Israel is fairly small (less than 1% of their economy), considering that Israel has a $564 billion economy. It's more the military training and backing that Israel values, plus the delivery of weapons. They don't want to be like Russia, asking North Korea for low-quality shells.
BFF! (best effing friends!)
MAGA A-hole!
A megalomania size of an A-hole.
Your country is SO screwed.
I will fully support Canada accepting as many immigrants, inevitable draft-dodgers, and sociopolitical refugees from the USA as can & will escape. Our next election may see Conservatives take power in Ottawa, but they're like your Democrats, so, not a lot for you to worry about.
Trump is a PUTZ! A juvenile delinquent with money….
Isn't that a qualification for the job?
As of now, yes. Don't forget Harris, and the whole ruling elite of millionaires and billionaires.
Like the Trump and Bush clan.
Biden gave his all to the Zionists and Netanyahu just tossed him out, well, we know it is a pack of psychopaths running the show and Biden deserves it. They can't be trusted. Disgusting characterless people.