A senior US official said that the death toll caused by Israel’s assault on Gaza is likely far higher than the over 10,000 number being reported by Gaza’s Health Ministry, The Hill reported on Thursday.
The comments were made by Barbara Leaf, assistant secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, and break from President Biden’s claim that the numbers from Gaza’s Health Ministry can’t be trusted.
“In this period of conflict and conditions of war, it is very difficult for any of us to assess what the rate of casualties are,” Leaf told the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “We think they’re very high, frankly, and it could be that they’re even higher than are being cited.”
“We’ll know only after the guns fall silent. We take in sourcing from a variety of folks who are on the ground,” she added. “I can’t stipulate to one figure or another, it’s very possible they’re even higher than is being reported.”
Gaza’s Health Ministry reported on Thursday that at least 10,569 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since October 7. The total includes 4,324 children. Thousands of Palestinians are also missing and presumed to be under the rubble.
After Biden accused the Palestinians of lying about the death toll, the UN and aid groups that have experience in Gaza backed the numbers coming from Gaza’s Health Ministry, saying they’re reliable. An Israeli security source told the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot that Israel has killed around 20,000 Palestinians, but the number has not been backed up by another source.
While casting doubt on the death toll, the White House has also acknowledged there is a massive civilian casualty rate in the US-backed onslaught. White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby acknowledged on Monday that the Israeli bombardment has killed “many, many thousands of innocent people.” The US is still providing Israel with unconditional military support, including near-daily weapons shipments.
Very likely indeed. Just look at the available imaging and think of the population and population density of Gaza. Even if many have been willing and able to head south, It’s very unlikely that “only” ten thousand or so have been killed in Israel’s month-long bombathon.
Soon, of course, our visiting apologists for genocide will be here to tell us that we can’t trust the Gaza health ministry and that many of those dead people might be Hamas fighters.
The dead under the rubble are never even mentioned, all of us know there must be thousands who died a slow death, including babies.
They have no shame, they generously open the gates for four hours a day and call that humane.
Look at our congress, who knew how inhumane the Rep. or Senator we voted for is? Bernie Sanders represents that evil.
They showed their true colors.
I will not vote for any war criminal, Biden is a war criminal.
“I will not vote for any war criminal…”
Given that the Bipartisan Party seems complicit (with very few exceptions) in the Gaza and Ukraine situations, I feel the only way forward is for voters – all voters, everywhere, even outside the USA – to adopt a [No Incumbents] policy.
Replace all of Congress, Senate, and the POTUS and VP with new faces and new ideas. I know this means disposing of some generally well-meaning politicians (young Randall Paul as one; That Nice Palestinian Lady as another) but unless everyone in elected office gets the message that they work for us, the citizenry … this will all continue.
The Ukraine and Gaza issues are litmus tests for politicians, Bernie Sanders showed who he really is, others are just silent like Elisabeth Warren or as embarrassing as Nancy Pelosi, congress is the graveyard of democracy. Randall Paul is really a big exception so is his father ret. Write in was a possibility but RFK Jr. is another disappointment. A nation with more than 300M has no leaders?
The USA/NATO has no competent leaders, except Orban and Erdogan, that is not coincident, the people who own the US gov. own the NATO members like UK, France, and Germany and the international institutions like UN and ICC and all the RW think tanks like the Rand corp. I don’t know, but I suspect the big money people control the Western democracies and they own the media too. The people who meat in Davos every Jan. I have in mind, Schwab and Soros and so. This is all very bizarre.
I had thought Les Schwab generous for his occasional offer of a “freezer full of meat” free with purchase of a set of all-season radials, but knowing now he frequents Davos, I view his tire franchise in a new light.
I think the USA does have good leaders – just none in leadership positions. There are people of great decency and wisdom on the periphery – your RFK Jr., Dr. West, hells even Oprah or Degrasse Tyson if you want to fling the net further afield.
This is why I tend to advocate for smaller geopolitical autonomous regions, and the localised self-determination of the People, not the State.
A USA in which each state is its own “mini country” – beholden to the Constitution, and only defended by the Federal government from external enemies and represented internationally by the President, not beholden to him.
Artificial national constructs – Iraq; the UK; my own Canada vis-a-vis the French-English divide; much of Europe; much of Africa – may be better off as smaller, cooperating ethnic nation-states than collected-and-stamped “countries”.
“all voters, everywhere” – more than half of the voters in US are supporting the crusade against Russia. According to statistics, the number of US citizens who are supporting Kiev neo-Nazi regime became smaller in the last one and half year but still they are majority. It demonstrates how brainwashed the voters are. In general people are brainwashable. Unfortunately.
I suppose you’re right. That balloon-leaking sound ? Just my optimism.
In a sad way, I guess Joe was right when he said the numbers “can’t be trusted.”
Reminds me of the commercial where the wife blows baking powder on her face to pretend she cooked dinner. Except, she smeared her face with Palestinian blood.
“…baking powder…”
OHHHH NOW that commercial makes more sense !
I had assumed it was cocaine.
Does demented Joe know that he is the one who can’t be trusted?
I don’t think Joe thinks or remembers much of anything. I’ve heard that a goldfish only has a memory span of about 2 seconds. While I don’t think the mummy man is that bad, he probably can’t remember much after about 10 seconds.
Useless and manipulatable persons are promoted to the top of political system when the political elite is totally corrupted. That also was the reason why they promoted Gorbachev.
LOL
I’d still vote for the goldfish.
Hecklefish 2024.
Al Jazeera published a letter of solidarity with the Palestinian people signed by over 300 Ukrainian scholars, activists and researchers.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/8/ukrainian-letter-of-solidarity-with-the-palestinian
The signatories declared: “Palestinians have the right to
self-determination and resistance against Israel’s occupation, just like Ukrainians have the right to resist Russian invasion. . .
“We reject the Ukrainian government statements that express unconditional support for Israel’s military actions, and we consider the calls toavoid civilian casualties by Ukraine’s [Ministry of Foreign Affairs]belated and insufficient. . . .
“We also reject the revival of the “war on terror” rhetoric used by the
US and EU to justify war crimes and violations of international law that have undermined the international security system and caused countless deaths, and has been borrowed by other states, including Russia for the war in Chechnya and China for the Uighur genocide. Now Israel is using it to carry out ethnic cleansing. . . .
“We call on the Ukrainian government to condemn the use of
state-sanctioned terror and humanitarian blockade against the Gazan civilian population and reaffirm the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination. We also call on the Ukrainian government to condemn deliberate assaults on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank. . . .
“We call on the international media to stop pitting Palestinians and
Ukrainians against each other, where hierarchies of suffering perpetuate racist rhetoric and dehumanise those under the attack. . . .
“We have witnessed the world uniting in solidarity for the people of
Ukraine and we call on everyone to do the same for the people of
Palestine.”
” “Palestinians have the right to
self-determination and resistance against Israel’s occupation, just like Ukrainians…..” ”
Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine had a right of self determination too. Instead, the successor regime in Kiev, which was installed in a US instigated and funded coup in 2014, sought a ethnic and cultural cleansing of Ukraine. Not just Russian speakers either. Ethnic Hungarians and other non Ukrainians are subjected to the same treatment in Ukraine.
Clearly successive US regimes have become supporters of a “Divide et Imperia” strategy. This strategy is responsible for chaos and destruction worldwide. This does not further peace and prosperity in the world. It only benefits a tiny ruling class and their collaborators.
The Ukrainian neo-Nazis with American support and funding are massacring their very own nation, they use their own children for cannonfodder to serve American interests.
The 300 Ukrainian intellectuals and activists who signed the are not neo-Nazis.
Who said they are other than you?
You’re dishonest.
Hamas has reaped the whirlwind,and is are quite happy about it. Blame Iran.
Blame Israel.
And their enabler.
There was a state of quiet,with no Israeli forces in Gaza. Hamas attacked,massacering and raping,violating all laws of war and decency,and now the Gazans will be made to pay the price.
Yeah, it was a quiet prison.
They electd Hamas,rejected every chance to negotiate,rejected peace,so look what they have now.
There was never a chance to negotiate a peace compromise with the Zionists. Other than president Carter there never was a fair American mediator.
The Clinton Oslo negotiations were foul play, refugees were not allowed to return back home, just one point among others.
Arafat was risking his life for signing it.
In negotiations-people get part of what they want,not everything. Throw in the so called “right of return”- at the last minute -you get nothing.Can Egypt’s Jews return to their homes?Or those of Iraq? Can a tiny country Israel admit 3 or 4 million hostile people into a tiny country? GET real.
Why did they assassinate Yitzhak Rabin? His wife named Netanyahu as the force behind the killing.
The Hamas election victory was a big Zionist disappointment. Hamas sided with the people, look at the PLO and the WB and Abbas.
And how have Gazans benefited?-was the blockade that cuts down on weapons transfers lifted?,were more work permits granted?Rejectionist Hamas made their lives worse.
There is no good will to be seen on the Israeli side. The Kahan people and the Zionists made sure of that. You pretend the Israelis want peace, they don’t, they want 100% of Palestine, Lebensraum what Nazis call it. They killed Rabin for wanting peace.
What is it the settlers want if not land for free?
“There is no good will to be seen on the Israeli side” How about Bitselem-only Hamas just massacred them.Both sides want it all.Faced with 80,000 million Iranians preparing to nuke them wear them down,or over run them,Israelis also go hard line. The Egyptian president who wanted peace was murdered. Hamas and Iran opposes any sort of negotiations.What do Hamas Iran want if not destruction if israel
“…Faced with 80,000 million Iranians preparing to nuke them…”
There are not 80 billion Iranians.
Estimates put the entirety of the modern human population, from our approximate emergence 200,000 years ago (as homo sapien sapien, “moden humans”) at ~85 billion people. 10% of which are alive right now.
Perhaps yours was a typoe.
So too with the “…preparing to nuke…” absurdity. The IRI is not known to possess, or be in development of, a nuclear weapon. The IAEA hasn’t even found evidence of Uranium enrichment to 90% .
Hamas are the children of the Palestinians the Zionists and the Americans are killing.
Hamas are now the young adults who were traumatized all the years they grew up in the Gaza concentration camp. The children who were never allowed to be children and never had a future.
How far removed from real life and consequences are you? Hamas are young people with good reason to hate the Zionists Israelis and the Americans.
How far removed from real life are you-women were raped as their babies were cooked alive,unarmed people were tortured to death.
I did not know the Zionists are that bad, or your imagination beats even theirs.
Hamas are people who have been brainwashed by their leaders to sacrifice their lives while the leaders live in extreme luxury in Qatar.Taught race hate rather than reconciliation.Now look how the Gazans are suffering for what Hamas did?
They know what real suffering is, better than you do. It is what people like you did to them and their parents when they grew up.
Hamas runs around with copies of Mein Kampf in Arabic.
Gaza was just a pleasant vacation resort, with a flourishing economy, no blockades and no 24 foot fence with locked doors, right?
When pulled out,Israel left greenhouses behind,which the Gazans tore apart.They fire rockets at civilians-so they are kept fenced in.
They also made sure there would be no real economic possibility, Gaza was just another open air prison, concentration camp, normal living was never possible.
It was the slow motion of mass murder of the Palestinian nation.
A US businessman wrote repeatedly ti Arafat,asking about building industrial parks-which would have given people work-no response.
Arafat would have responded if he had honest offers. By now we all know how deceptive political conmen are.
Do you know how honest this man was? You can sometimes make money and benefit other people.
“…now the Gazans will be made to pay the price.”
Let’s put it up to you, jake-brake.
You’re now PM of Israel. Your call :
Which Gazans pay the price ? Just the ones you can prove are Hamassian Regulars; or one degree, six degrees removed from them ? To quote the 1984 documentary film ‘Red Dawn’, “if a fox stole your chickens, would you slaughter your pig because he saw the fox ?”
And how many, jake, how many Gazans are “enough” for vengeance ? 10,000 ? 20,000 ? All of them ?
This is your call. Put your morals on display for us, put up & don’t shut up. Your words tend to drip with venom, I know we’ve discussed before, you’ve shown on the doll where the Left and progressives “hurt you” about a half-century ago.
You’re anonymous enough here. Don’t hold back. Show us all what you are. How many Palestinians are enough. How ‘human animals’ they are (a stupid statement from the Israeli gov’t – humans ARE animals), ‘little snakes’ in their nest.
Anyone who dares challenge your views is evil and venomous. You see yourself as “Sapien”-how modest.
And you answer none of my questions – what impressive tires you invested in, to stay on the road after swerving to avoid them.
You’re not “challenging my views”. I am challenging YOURS.
I did not choose the moniker “sapien” to mean “wise”.
It is my species, and sub-species.
I wonder, jake – is it yours ?
Are you human ? As human as me, the Israelis, yes even your disposable Palestinians ?
If so – please start to act human. Compassionate, empathetic, thoughtful and caring – more apt to help than hurt.
If it were possible to eliminate Hamas c/o injuring civilians-I would be very happy.But it is not.
Hamas has reaped the whirlwind,and is are quite happy about it. Blame Iran.
Hamas has nothing to do with Iran. Iran = Shia while Hamas = Sunni. If you neocon types want another country to bomb because of Hamas look to Qatar, not Iran.
Well, that’s nice. They could also call on the Nazis in Kiev to recognize the basic human rights of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine.
Then they could call on their own government to rid itself of its own Nazi filth.
The Ukrainian Nazis are massacring their very own Ukrainian nation, and the Israelis massacre the Palestinian nation.
USA/NATO IS COMPLICIT in the war crimes, they hired the killers, they made it possible.
Now they want to load all guilt on the proxies and tell us they have nothing to do with it, they are the good guys, as always.
The 300 Ukrainian intellectuals and activists who signed the letter of soidarity with Palestine are not Nazis. The ethnic conflict in Donbas is an internal Ukrainian matter. The rights of ethnic Ukrainians and Russians should be respected and protected. After the war and a cooling off period, the people of Donbas should have an opportunity to vote in a plebiscite supervised by international authorities,
“The ethnic conflict in Donbas is an internal Ukrainian matter.”
If that were true, why did we decide to intervene when they were negotiating terms of mutual security in 2022?
I call bullshit on your entire argument. The irony is that it doesn’t occur to you that you’re talking nonsense.
The US wants war in Ukraine. Putin was an idiot for obliging the US/NATO. He is committing war crimes in Ukraine and can’t admit that Russia lost the war. Ironically, Putin’s stupid war achieved the exact reverse of his stated goals. He replaced the real threat of war on Russia’s southern border with a forever war on Russia’s southern border. He feared encirclement by NATO. Now NATO is bigger and the Western countries that supported detente are united with the US/UK in supply arms to Ukraine. It is like Putin committed national suicide because he was afraid of death.
Putin turned out not to be the leader I thought he was. I thought he was too smart to take the bait.
You’re in Putin’s shoes. Tell me what you would have done differently and explain why your solution would work. Otherwise, just shut up with these assertions pulled from your butt.
The Maidan demonstrations in early 2014, which led to the overthrow of the legally elected Ukrainian government witnessed an estimated 15,000 people marching in celebration of Stepan Bandera’s 105th birthday. The neo-Nazi Svoboda Party along with the Fatherland Party of Yulia Tymoshenko both supported this commemoration of the former Nazi ally and war criminal. In the late 1930s Stepan Bandera became the leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) was the name of the Ukrainian partisan paramilitary force that arose from the OUN and fought Soviet armies in the 1940s. During World War II the OUN worked with the German occupation and participated in the massacre of Jews, Poles, and Russians.
Well said, Dr. Doom. Waiting on a certain Agave Prime to jump on and claim everything you said is “Russian Propaganda ™”.
Then Tequila Secundus will agree; and the periphery echoes. And just in time for Remembrance Day we have a war starting as entangling political alliances are dragged into a fight.
There are no justification for genocide. Zionism should be condemned forever.
This It is time to get over what a criminal government did to innocents over eighty years ago and recognize that another nation’s government is aspiring to the same plateau of depravity, and it is time to call this dreadful replay what it actually is ….
The pogroms of Russia gave birth to Zionism.
Pogroms in Russia is a big lie. First: there were no Ashkenazi communities in Russia. The anti-Ashkenazi riots happened in Ukraine, Moldova and Poland. The worst one in Tsarist Russian Empire, where about fifty people were killed, happened in Kishenev (Moldova). Comparing with what happened after Bolshevik coup, it is an insignificant incident. The real first pogrom where more than hundred thousand Ashkenazi were killed happened in Kiev after it was captured by Ukrainian nationalist army under leadership of Petliura.
Ridiculous.
Yes, your lies are ridiculous.
I believe that jake believes what he was told as family history, about his great-grandfather. Was it true ? Some maybe, other aspects embellished or altered, possibly. Ultimately the story itself isn’t an outlandish claim so I’m inclined to accept it.
I was told my maternal grandfather’s lineage was largely Austrian. Genetic testing a few years back shows I have a double-digit Croatian heritage, and no noteworthy Austrian (and above-average Neanderthal genes – I’m biracial !!).
Mistaken or altered family histories are not uncommon (how many have hidden German heritage or altered name spellings to do so, early-mid 20th century ?) and if one is to doubt an aspect of jake’s family history, it would be the historicity of its [Russian / Judiastic diaspora] setting.
The story about his great grandfather is an obvious and ridiculous lie.
I thought, Neanderthal genes could be mixed up into the modern human genetics but as far as I know, it is untraceable.
I dunno. Most of what jake t. snake roberts claimed is mundane. I’m willing to believe he had a great-grandfather, that six-years-olds can be and sometimes are kidnapped; that his gg was impressed by (or pressed into) service of a military; that he had a family, moved them, and chose the Near East.
That it was 30 years (from the age of 6 according to the text), or came about by pogrom, requires more clarification and evidence.
My maternal step-great-grandfather (follow the bouncing ball there, boy-howdy !) is said to have been forced into the Red Army in ’45 to press against the remnants of the German Reich – then he promptly surrendered to the first American troops he found. Is it true ? Maybe, maybe not entirely accurate. But it as lore within the family is, well, trivial.
To the 2nd question :
“23andMe tests for Neanderthal ancestry at 3,731 markers scattered across the genome. At each of these markers you can have a genetic variant that evolved in Neanderthals and came back into the human lineage when the two groups interbred. Because you inherit variants from both of your parents, you can have 0, 1, or 2 copies of the Neanderthal variant at each marker. We report your total number of Neanderthal variant copies, which is therefore a number between 0 and 7,462. However, nobody has all 7,462 — the most we’ve ever seen in a 23andMe customer is less than 500.”
I hold 228. Does not mean I can call people “…my Neand*rs…” tho. That’s THEIR word.
I thought it was the Dreyfuss Affair that got Herzl thinking in that direction?
You are correct.Let me rephrase-the pogroms in Russia and the Ukraine gave massive impetus to Zionism.Mygreat grandfather, having been kidnapped as a boy of six and impressed into the Czar’s army for 30 years,took his family and moved to Palestine-he did not want that to happen to his children.
What pogroms in Russia? Where and when it happened? You are lying as usual. Probably you learned to lie from your great grandfather.
look in a mirror.
So the Palestinians must pay for the pogroms of Russia….
As you see, the man failed to say where and when those “pogroms in Russia” happened.
No pogroms-no zionsim.
Their reports of large Palestinian death toll cannot be trusted because we hope it’s much larger. They didn’t quite say that, but can you grasp the level of depravity here? Morally supporting Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians is like supporting your own incurable stomach cancer. You know it’s malignant, deep inside you, and it’s morally destroying you but you’re dead inside already.
I’ve known of three people who had stomach cancer. All were dead within four weeks of diagnosis.
Unfortunately, the “stomach cancer” of the “…(ASI)’s genocide of the Palestinians…” is likely to go on a whole lot longer than a terminal month.
So states a representative of the Washington War Crimes Institute.
Who do we trust?
Barbara Leaf, assistant secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, or Joe Biden?
Neither.
Agreed. We can believe her though.
One consequence of the bombing: the already too crowded Southern Gaza will become super-crowded because the living conditions in the North will exclude the permanent return of most refugees. Who will take them? No one.
“…already too crowded Southern Gaza will become super-crowded…”
That’s the idea. If it would take [X] years for Gaza to become “unlivable” with its current population density…then doubling the unlivable population density means the extermination ‘by attrition’ of the Palestinians is accomplished in [X/2] – half the time.
She also said this:
“To call a cease-fire right now that might or might not be honored by Hamas, would be to leave Hamas in control of some 240 hostages, including babies and children, and would also leave fairly well intact, much of the military infrastructure and warfighting capacity and terrorism capacity of Hamas intact,” she said.
Yes, let’s assume Hamas wouldn’t honor a cease fire. I guess if Israel says NO enough times, it’s time to move the narrative and place the blame on Hamas. And who does she think controls the hostages presently and how is that going to change by not having a cease fire? In other words, bombs away!
Yes, the complete statement is key:
The administration has gone from trying to cast doubt on casualties numbers, pretending it didn’t really know what was happening:
‘I’m sure innocents have been killed – not that I personally know this to be true, or how many.’
Gone from pretend gnorance to – in the face of enormous, undeniable civilians murdered, with many, many more deaths to come, and world outcry – open justification. Thus:
‘Yea, huge civilian deaths – “many, many thousands,” and likely more – and we support Israel’s right to engage in that ongoing crime, just as we absolutely support Israel’s assertion of the ‘necessity’ of its crime to get Hamas.’
Weepy, collective-punishment-enabling John Kirby first introduced this new line with, ‘I cannot lie to you, more civilian deaths will ‘happen’. And’ – US arms lifted helplessly, wailing:
‘And that’s just the guh-guh-godawful tragedy of war, boo-hoo: wish I didn’t have to break such bad news to you, US citizen and voter paying tax dollars for the guns we’re shipping Israel to kill with – but not a thing I or the US or any of us can do to oppose Israel’s hideous illegal collective punishment (which, DON’T FORGET, they’re totally entitled to because, you know, ‘They have the right to defend themselves.’)’
Who cares what our elected officials have to say. They are opportunistic war criminals, liars. They are people without decency and morals.
And the Hamas war criminals,baby burners and rapists,who refuse to even begin to negotiate,who use Gazans as shields, are creatures of nobility and honor.HAHAHA
In the Donbass we see what an appropriate response to ethnic cleansing, mass murder and genocide is…..ARMED RESISTANCE.
No, they are what they are. The joke is assuming that Biden, the servile pukes in our congress, state department, intelligence agencies and military, and the hard line fanatics in the israeli government are any different. War criminals all.
There is so far no recorded deaths of children under the age of three on the 7th October, which throws into question the Israeli narrative that babies were targeted by Palestinian resistance fighters. Its a BIG LIE that you should be ashamed of spreading.
The same BIG LIES that the US used in Iraq,,,,,throwing babies out of incubators.
There is so far no recorded deaths of children under the age of three on the 7th October, which throws into question the Israeli narrative that babies were targeted by Palestinian resistance fighters. Its a BIG LIE that you should be ashamed of spreading.
The same BIG LIES that the US used in Iraq,,,,,throwing babies out of incubators.
The Kibbutz along the Gaza fence are foremost military posts, the Hamas attacked them legally. No evidence of Hamas war crimes is available, there are reports from the Israeli side and reports of crossfire and the fact that the Israelis allow no outsider investigation speaks for itself.
There is evidence of Israeli soldiers using Palestinians as body shields, no evidence of Hamas doing it. Your imagination is playing tricks on your biased mind.
Get a hold of reality-put a military base under a school-that is ok with you.
Get real, there is no such evidence at all. You make things up as you go and then you believe your own lies.
Denials don’t change the truth.
It is easy for some people to repeat lies over and over again even without believing in them.
I’m sure the count is inaccurate. And I’m sure it is larger. After what happen on Oct 7. if anyone expected a different outcome than massive destruction and death in Gaza, they need to study the history of the past 100 years in that region. Violence is always met with more violence. It does not make it right, but it is what it is.
Hamas knew that 1000s of people living in Gaza would die as the result of the Oct 7 attack. They didn’t not care. Hamas wanted a big PR splash regardless of human cost and they got it.
What do you suggest an appropriate response to ethnic cleansing, mass murder and genocide should be? What should 2.3 million people living in an open air concentration camp do? What should 2.3 million people do when Israel “mows the lawn”
In the Donbass we see what an appropriate response to ethnic cleansing, mass murder and genocide is…..ARMED RESISTANCE.
You blame the victims for the many many crimes committed against them. Its appalling that the moderator would support this fascism.
Egypt,Iran, or Turkey can take them all in and care for them
Very generous of you with other peoples’ assets, jake al-armchairi.
not very sapient-hahahahaha
I am quite human.
Are you ?
Nobody wants the Palestinians just like nobody wanted the Jews in the 1930s….
Germany wanted the Jews out.
Israel wants the Pals out.
There is a difference. Palestinians are living on their own land.
Zionism > or at least = Nazism.
Meanwhile,Hamas distributes copies of MeinKampf
Many Palestinians want all the Jews of Israel out.
Only,the Jews in Germany never killed 1400 Christian Germans.
Yes,and the Pals want the Israeli Jews out.
They already have, millions of them as they fled the horrific brutality of Israel. Nothing changed just more slaughter.
Explain to me why Palestinians should be removed from their homes because of Hamas, gotya collective punishment.
This is of course what the Nazi’s said in WW2, Then they claimed no one would take them……..to justify the slaughter of 6 million people.
“collective punishment” – Hamas was financed by Israel. Netanyahu openly talked about that in 2019 and he approved that. Why Israelis are not punished collectively? Or, for example, the citizens of US? US government supported both Hamas and ISIS in times of “Assad must go!”. The truth is, it is not about a collective punishment, it is a well planned ethnic cleansing.
Hamas fighters know there is no life, no future for them in Gaza, they fight for their life with a future not freedom and democracy propaganda. IDF soldiers kill and sell their souls for foul propaganda, they pay a heavy price too. What kind of people are the pilots flying the bombing missions killing non-combatants including about 50% children and babies?
Ukrainian Journalist Openly Calls for Genocide on Hromadske TV, Financed by the US and the Netherlands. Translated from Ukrainian by Valentina Lisitsa and Marcel Sardo.
Bogdan Boutkevitch: Ok, you ask me “How can this be happening?” Well, it happens because Donbass, in general, is not simply a region in a very depressed condition, it has got a whole number of problems, the biggest of which is that it is severely overpopulated with people nobody has any use for. Trust me I know perfectly well what I am saying.
If we take, for example, just the Donetsk oblast, there are approximately 4 million inhabitants, at least 1.5 million of which are superfluous. That’s what I mean: we don’t need to [try to] “understand” Donbass, we need to understand Ukrainian national interests.
Donbass must be exploited as a resource, which it is. I don’t claim to have a quick solution recipe, but the most important thing that must be done – no matter how cruel it may sound – is that there is a certain category of people that must be exterminated.
Typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi. Putin is right, Ukraine must be de-Nazified. It takes time but in the end it must be achieved.
Who is Valentina Lisitsa……..The Queen of Rachmaninoff,
She gave a concert in Donetsk, 2015 i think, stunning performance. You could hear the shelling of the city while she played a free outdoor concert for the people. The Nazi’s had been shelling the city of Donetsk on a daily basis.
The quality and culture of the Russian people makes my heart beat more loudly.
“Clear Intention of Ethnic Cleansing”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Omer Bartov Warns of Genocide in Gaza https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/10/bartov_genocide_apartheid
Israeli political leaders and military leaders have made very startling
and frightening statements about Gaza, speaking about flattening Gaza,
speaking about Hamas, but by sort of extending it also, by extension,
also Gazans, in general, as human animals, speaking about moving the
entire population of Gaza out of Gaza. That is a clear intention of
ethnic cleansing. So, those statements show intent. And that’s a
genocidal intent, which is often very difficult to prove in genocide.
People who carry out genocide don’t always want to say that they’re
doing it.
Norman Finkelstein would support every single word Omer Bartov and Marione Ingram said.
“Stop This Madness”: Holocaust Survivor Marione Ingram, 87, Condemns Israeli Assault & Calls for Peace https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/8/marione_ingram_omer_bartov_holocaust_gaza
I’d like you to respond to the censuring of the only Palestinian
American member of Congress, Rashida Tlaib, whose speech we just played.
MARIONE INGRAM:
I totally support her comments. And I think it is, on top of that,
shameful that her justified defense of human lives is considered
antisemitic. It is pro-human beings. I find it horrific that the
politicians have the nerve to censure righteous voices for peace and for
the lives of Gazans, who are being murdered. It is slaughter that is
happening. And Rashida Tlaib is, in my eyes, a hero.
What’s not being exposed enough is the settlers trashing Palestinians on the West Bank. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-unseen-second-front-of-israel-s-war-on-palestinians/ar-AA1jHWAZ
Israeli military has been intensifying its assaults on Palestinians living in the West Bank. Israel has cordoned off
Palestinian communities, blocking the entrances and restricting
movement in and out, while settlers have been allowed to roam freely
across rural areas, firing eagerly at Palestinians who cross their paths. At the same time, the Israeli military has stepped up their raids all across the West Bank of Palestine. Stories of abject cruelty and torture
have emerged, as soldiers and settlers have together rounded up
Palestinians and, in at least one case, allegedly stripped, blindfolded,
sexually assaulted, and even urinated on them. More than 165 Palestinians have been killed over the last three weeks in the West Bank alone, with at least 2,200 arrested thus far.
They are taking advantage of the Gaza crisis to advance their plans for the ethnic cleansing of the west bank, hoping no one notices.
And many killed on the WB by Israelis were children.
agitprop.
Evidence is now emerging that up to half the Israelis killed were combatants; that Israeli forces were responsible for some of their own civilian deaths; and that Tel Aviv disseminated false ‘Hamas atrocities’ stories to justify its devastating air assault on Palestinian civilians in Gaza.
As of 23 October, the news outlet Haaretz has released information on 683 Israelis killed during the Hamas-led offensive, including their names and locations of their deaths on 7 October.
Of these, 331 casualties – or 48.4 percent – have been confirmed to be soldiers and police officers, many of them female. Another 13 are described as rescue service members, and the remaining 339 are ostensibly considered to be civilians.
There are also so far no recorded deaths of children under the age of three, which throws into question the Israeli narrative that babies were targeted by Palestinian resistance fighters. Seven were between the ages of 4 and 7, and nine between the ages of 10 and 17.
“As of 23 October, the news outlet”
What news outlet?
Haaretz. The numbers and proportion of Palestinian civilians and children among those killed by Israeli bombardment over the past two weeks – over 5,791 killed, including 2,360 children and 1,292 women, and more than 18,000 injured – are far higher than any of these Israeli figures from the events of 7 October.
Not to mention the lies used to facilitate the hatred of Palestinians,,,,,,,,Beheading babies. The same lies that the US used in Iraq,,,,,throwing babies out of incubators.
These people are Psychopaths MONSTERS.
Thanks for sharing your source.
It brings me no joy what we in the west have become. Ethnic cleansing and genocide has been our tool for decades.
ARMED RESISTANCE is the appropriate response to our supreme international crimes.
In time this will be the fate of all of us, as we all defend ourselves against the brutality and cruelty of corporations.
“It brings me no joy what we in the west have become. Ethnic cleansing and genocide has been our tool for decades.”
Speak for yourself. I put down that tool nearly three decades ago, have spent my time since trying to make up for my misdeeds in using it, and don’t support anyone else using it either.
I of course never picked it up. There is no atonement for this evil. The path is half way and one step forward, the point of no return.
You keep referring to “we” and “us.” Those words inherently include the person using them.
And you’ve established beyond any shadow of doubt that you’re just fine with “this evil” if you approve of the ethnic group engaging in it.
In a way you still seem to battle it.
Feel free to point out any instance in which I have supported war here.
You can’t, because I haven’t.
Not supporting your preferred side in a war doesn’t mean I support the other side. It just means I oppose the war.
Thomas, I did not go that far, don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Western politicians call proudly their own political system “free society”. What actually they achieved is the freedom of the morality imposed upon them by Christianity. That’s why they are lying so easily and that’s why they are so ferociously anti-Christian. All the crimes are result of that freedom. Also the crimes of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
To be blunt, the Israeli Zionists and Ukrainian neo-Nazis are modern day NAZIS, Adolf’s grandchildren.
They even display their war crimes openly for the whole world to see.
And the Islamic world is free of hatred,bigotry,oppression and cruelty.
Both aggressive Zionism and Ukrainian neo-Nazism exist thanks to the financial and political elites of US.
An Israeli survivor gave a statement to the press, weeks ago; that approximately 20 Israeli civilians were captured by 8 HAMAS, and engaged by the IDF who, in her words, fired indiscriminately, killing all 8 HAMAS and 18 of the captives – only she and 1 other Israeli citizen survived. I doubt that was a “one off” incident; when the IDF finally arrived at the captured settlements, they used tank fire against buildings; there is no way of knowing how many Israeli civilians were killed in those attacks.
Israel right now has carte blanche to exterminate Palestinians with the backing of the US/UK empire.
Utterly despicable and cannot be allowed to continue or the precedent will be fatal to the future of humanity.
https://popularresistance.org/operation-al-aqsa-flood-day-35-tanks-besiege-gaza-city-hospitals/
1)
gen·o·cide
/ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
“a campaign of genocide”
2)
war crime
/ˈwôr ˌkrīm/
noun
an action carried out during the conduct of a war that violates accepted international rules of war.
3)
crime a·gainst hu·man·i·ty
noun
a deliberate act, typically as part of a systematic campaign, that causes human suffering or death on a large scale.
4)
eth·nic cleans·ing
/ˌeTHnik ˈklenziNG/
noun
the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.
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a·part·heid
/əˈpärˌtāt,əˈpärˌtīt/
nounHISTORICAL
(in South Africa) a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.
segregation on grounds other than race.
The one word that gets you waiting for approval and banned is “Jew” Now why would that be? Jewish owners? AIPAC or Jewish funded by any chance?
It would be ironic if your funders were the ones carryout the current genocide in Gaza on a site called Antiwar. Especially when the Jewish run government in Ukraine is committing a genocide all of their own.
Bingo: Randolph Bourne Institute. has major connections to Jewish institutions. Now we know why you ban and censor any Jewish content.
Your funders, or at least some of them, are undertaking the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Like i said Antiwar my arse.
No, that is not the one word that gets you waiting for approval or banned. On a quick count there are 73 such words, perhaps 1/10th of them even related to the word “Jew.”
We don’t “ban and censor any Jewish content.” In fact, probably 99% of content alluding/referring to Jews is just fine. What we don’t allow are ethnic slurs.
We’re also anti-war. Unlike you.
No, that is not the one word that gets you waiting for approval or banned. On a quick count there are 73 such words, perhaps 1/10th of them even related to the word “Jew.”
We don’t “ban and censor any Jewish content.” In fact, probably 99% of content alluding/referring to Jews is just fine. What we don’t allow are ethnic slurs.
We’re also anti-war. Unlike you.
The ethnic cleansing, genocide and collective punishment of Gaza is not a humanitarian crises, its a crisis of humanity.
Imagine being the type of person that just shoots hospital patients in cold blood. Imagine being a country that supports mass murder of critically injured patients.
One person killed, many children wounded after Israeli snipers target al-Quds hospital, according to Palestinian Red Crescent.
The Red Cross statement calling for the protection of patients, healthcare workers, medical facilities in Gaza comes as the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PCRS) said Israeli forces opened fire on the intensive care unit at al-Quds hospital in Gaza City.
One person was killed and 28 others were wounded in sniper fire by Israeli forces at the hospital, the organisation said. The majority of the injured were children, it said, two of whom are in critical condition.
Where is the ICC, the UN? What a joke it all is.
Several groups have petitioned the ICC to investigate war crimes in Gaza, and it looks like the Irish regime will be referring Israel to the ICC for investigation.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ireland-fully-supports-international-criminal-court-s-gaza-probe-martin-says/ar-AA1jNkUH
That at least is a start. The problem in the west we have is that when we start arresting leaders for war crimes, where do we stop? And then do we start arresting those who actively took part, ie the soldiers who committed the atrocities.
It would literally empty out our parliaments and our militaries.
True. Even where it’s not completely toothless, the ICC generally only bites around the edges.
Not sure what the solution would be, though. Most war criminals get away with it, especially when they’re on the winning side of the war in question.
Russia has won in Ukraine. Russia is prepared and willing to fight WW3 against NATO.
Hamas will win in Palestine. The ME is prepared and willing to fight WW3 against NATO.
There is no good long term outcome for us here in the West.
I many years ago had an Iranian friend who i discussed the ME with many times. HE CALMLY TOLD ME ITS OUR TURN TO DIE……….i cant help but feel…..ITS NOW OUR TURN TO DIE.
Meanwhile,Ireland proudly accepted no Jewish refugees during WW II.
Donetsk in 2014-2015 looked exactly like Gaza today. Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko were left free to ethnically cleanse, mass murder and collectively punish the Donbass. Obama overthrew the pro Russian Government and gave weapons and carte blanche to his Nazi paramilitaries to kill Russians.
The world just watched, as they watch now. The OSCE, ICC and the UN actively participated. Well the Western block of the UN and ICC did, the OSCE was always a western block tool of oppression and human rights abuses.
All that one sees or hears in the US media are IDF/Israeli government officials, (and their American apologists) and press releases.
Though there was no excuse for the October 7th attacks, the Israeli response has been totally disproportionate. The agenda is obviously ethnic cleansing, and expulsion of the Palestinians from Gaza, and eventually the West Bank.
There’s a name for this, it’s called Genocide. I lived in the Mideast for 5 years in the 90’s, and have traveled there extensively, including to Israel. Never have I been so fearful for the region’s future.