The House Foreign Affairs Committee on Wednesday passed a resolution to pressure President Biden to escalate US involvement in the Ukraine war by supplying Kyiv with longer-range missiles.
The bill calls on Biden to immediately arm Ukraine with the Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS), munitions with a range of up to 190 miles. The ATACMS can be fired by the HIMARS rocket systems that the US has been providing Ukraine.
Most of the ammunition Kyiv has for use with the HIMARS has a range of about 50 miles, although the US has also pledged Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs (GLSDB), which can hit targets up to 94 miles away. Russia said in March that it had downed a GLSDB for the first time.
Providing ATACMS would give Ukraine the ability to hit more targets inside Russia. The Biden administration claims that it doesn’t want Kyiv using US weapons to hit Russian territory, but the restriction doesn’t apply to Crimea.
After passing the resolution, Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said ATACMS are “critical to Ukraine’s success in the counteroffensive.” Throughout the war, McCaul has been critical of President Biden for not giving Ukraine everything that it demands.
“There’s no reason to give Ukraine just enough to bleed but not enough to win,” McCaul said, according to The Hill. “It’s been my criticism all along — if we’re going to be helping them, either go all in or get out.”
The resolution was also backed by the top Democrat on the panel, Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY). It faced some opposition, with Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH) saying he doesn’t support sending more weapons to Ukraine without a clear goal.
“When you don’t define the mission, no one can be held accountable,” David. “We owe it to the [American] men and women, if we commit to a war — even a proxy war — that we define the mission before we commit to the mission.”
The resolution now heads to the House floor. According to The Hill, the legislation is expected to have wide support.
Bloody great. Politicians want to AMP it up…
Other than a handful of Republicans there is no significant antiwar movement in Congress. All there is is one staggeringly violent, fiscally irresponsible war party.
Well said, well said B&O. !
Well said, well said B&O. !
For some reason I want to call you OB1. 🙂
I’ve been called worse. 🤣
You’d think that after flushing some $5 trillion down the loo, killing a few hundred thousand people in the process, displacing millions more that there would be some pause and reflection.
Nope.
Yeah? …I might have missed it. Which Republicans?
Don’t worry. I dislike the democrats just as much. (Sarcasm alert)
There is NO antiwar movement in congress. The only debate is with who we should war with.
And whether to use the debit card or the credit card.
It’s only use credit cards. The debit card ran out of cash a long time ago.
I would say both parties are that way.
The youth are young and stupid. They must feel the burn so they don’t touch the fire next time.
Sure … a few pinprick explosions in Russia proper as opposed to the areas occupied in Ukraine … that will surely turn the war around immediately, right?
Annnnnnnnd, a few more billion for our good friends back home …
Can you just imagine George Washington watching the current Congress ram through one war bill after another non-stop, none of which we can pay for, and doing jack sh*t for average Americans?
Congress is pretty much beyond broken and serve only the war machine.
Revolution is at hand
The not being able to pay for it part would be quite familiar to Washington. Look up the expression “not worth a continental.”
George Washington was a pig.
He stole from the natives.
And he had far more slaves than any other ‘founding father’.
And he was not ‘budget conscious’.
The man is STAGGERINGLY overrated as a human being.
So apparently, are you, based on your “logic”.
PEACE…………………………………………………………………..
https://rense.com/1.mpicons/slider20200710/abo.jpg
At last! Nuland worked hard for this.
DRINK!
The “goal” is war profiteering.
Just insane to think Ukraine will win. It has already lost the war. No weapon system, no silver bulet will ever make it win.
Russia’s economy is a wreck.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
And she is running out of stored weapons systems…like tanks.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-is-running-out-of-tanks-as-ukraine-pushes-back-putins-forces/ar-AA1cHfAA
Whilst NATO’s ‘economy’ is okay.
And they have HUGE stockpiles of advanced weapons to give to Ukraine (like over 3,600 Abrams and over 2,000 Leopard 2 tanks).
Plus, since last September? Ukraine has gained more ground than Russia has.
I am not saying Ukraine will win (boot Russia out of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts) any time soon.
The war has turned into one of attrition (apparently).
But I guarantee you Russia cannot defeat Ukraine so long as NATO has their back. Russia simply does not have the military, macroeconomic or production capabilities to take on NATO in a war of attrition.
Not even close.
You seem to have a mirror image of reality. From all accounts NATO is running out of ammunition and other hardware that being destroyed soon after it enters Ukraine or lost on the black market. Russian economy is booming, new markets are opening in Asia, Africa and ME via BRISC and the SCO. Gas, oil and coal are sold to China and India, millions of barrels a day. There are some excellent home videos on You tube by people visiting Russia. Well stocked super markets, people happy and well dressed, busy motor ways.
Western Europe is economically struggling because of lack of gas and oil as a result of the US/Ukraine blowing up Nord Stream pipeline. The world is rapidly transforming from a uni polar world into a multi polar world. There are some excellent analysts on You Tube amongst others Col McGregor, Scott Ritter ( having just returned from a three week visit to Russia) Jeffrey Sachs and many others. These are all western commentators and that makes a big difference .
What are you blathering about?
1) look at the link this time.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
The Russian GDP has contracted for four quarters in a row.
They are OFFICIALLY in a depression.
EXPLAIN TO US ALL HOW RUSSIA’S ECONOMY IS ‘BOOMING’ WHEN THEY ARE IN A TECHNICAL DEPRESSION?
2)
Show me a link to a respected, military site that states that RIGHT NOW that NATO is ‘running out of ammunition’?
Not were a few months ago.
Are RIGHT NOW.
You are clearly just reading MSM sources and making ridiculous conclusions based on nothing but MSM hearsay.
It would be interesting to watch the US economy if the tables were reversed and everything the US made or sold was subjected to a massive set of sanctions. Add to that the fact that our idiot in chief was convinced the sanctions would kill the Russian state in short order, bring about another shake and bake coup in Moscow.
Your argument is a massive distortion of reality.
You do realize that the Russians saved Europe’s ass by sacrificing nearly 20M of their own from Hitler, right? Are you under the impression that the Russians are going to dissolve their state because of a little war in a backward place? Right. I think you have been watching too much western based news.
Just so you know?
I think you are an old, miserable, low IQ troll.
Who posts almost nothing on here but nonsensical blather and trolling bile.
You are a complete waste of space…or so it seems.
Have a nice day, troll.
You are delusional. The GDP of all BRICS countries, that include Russia is now higher than the G7 countries..The dollar is loosing its world currency status faster than you can say dollar. America’s infrastructure is collapsing. It has people living in cardboard boxes and tents in the streets. There are many Americans calling their own country a banana republic now. You are a bit slow in grasping what is going on in the world today. But you will find out some time and then w can pick up the conversation again. Sleep well, my friend.
Look at this link.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
Does it say that over the last four quarters…Russia’s GDP has dropped?
Yes or no?
Look at this link.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
Does it say that over the last four quarters…Russia’s GDP has dropped?
Yes or no?
Time for your pill…
“no reason to give Ukraine just enough to bleed but not enough to win,” no reason except avoiding killing us all in a nuclear war.
We can’t give them enough to win. It would just be more and more destruction until nothing at all is left of Ukraine.
The entire “mission” of intimidating a nation armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons didn’t make sense to me. But I’m questioning my math. I was recently chastised because we’re not all dead in a nuclear war yet: “You said if NATO enters Ukraine, we would all die in a nuclear war. Well, we’re still alive, so you were wrong!” …Yeah. I have to admit. I got it wrong. My ego got mortally hurt. I’m starting to think Nuland was correct. Who cares if one Sarmat can destroy a country the size of France? (Sarcasm alert)
The Democrats have become the party of immortals. Or at least rich sociopaths who don’t believe they *can* die, because they haven’t yet.
LOL. Agreed. And since you’re a Zombie Messiah, I take it you’re an expert at “not dying!”. Here I say it again, you have the coolest handle, Zombie!
Politicians really can run a war well.
This is why we must end the war in ukraine now!
US, and western supplied weapons have already been spotted in Sudan and Somalia. Zelensky need his cut, the more Ukraine gets, the more Zelensky can deal.
Send McCaul and the other warmongers to Ukraine.. we don’t need or want these scum.
McCaul has taken his place as one of the biggest neocon warmongers in Congress.
US to the Ukraine and Russia: [insert “Let them fight” meme here].
US to the Ukraine: [insert “Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make” meme here].
Having shirked their Constitutional duty to determine whether or not to declare war, these Bozo Legislators have now taken the notion that it is their Constitutional role to take on the responsibilities of the Commander in Chief. It’s as if they are TRYING to push Russia to use tactical nukes, or to expand the war beyond the borders of Ukraine, and they haven’t an inkling of understanding or concern about how severe the consequences would be for Ukraine or any of the other people who would have to live with the immediate consequences.
Wait, it IS their responsibility to disburse the public’s monies, is it not? Well, they are just disbursing a few more billions of it in their favorite manner … the weapons don’t even need to work, you know. It’s the spending that counts.
McCaul is a nutjob. He wanted a scorched earth approach in Taiwan.
And every time I see his name I think of McCain for some reason.
I also think of McFaul because he’s also horrible.
1) no big deal. The Ukrainians can already hit Crimea from their territory with the artillery they have.
2) what does worry me is the neocons are basically daring Ukraine to strike at Crimea. Which Putin has said is a red line…is part of Russia.
And it really is.
The vast majority of it’s people are of Russian descent and have voted overwhelmingly – several times – to be part of Russia.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2020-04-03/russia-love
Crimea IS Russia.
Why Biden wants to provoke Putin this much is beyond me.
I don’t care who gets in the WH…just as long as that senile, old goat is out.
You right-wingers can wish in one hand and s••t in the other and see which one fills up! Uncle Joe will win again and support Ukraine’s fight against an illegal invasion. You all are the furthest thing from antiwar. You are tankies who support Russian aggression.
Ugh. Blocked. Everyone should block you. You add nothing to the conversation.
Thank you for highlighting that there is a block function. Was sitting there right under my nose all this time, haha. It will doubtless come in handy.
Yes, thank you ZM! I just blocked them too!
Wrong.
I have never voted right wing in my life.
And clearly you just make grandiose assumptions based on almost no data.
Or are just a troll.
Show me the post where I supported Russia’s invasion?
Until you do (and you can’t, btw)?
Your words mean nothing.
Just the babbling blather of an apparent Biden bot.
Bye now.
First: we’re all trolls here. (It just depends on your point of view.)
Second: You’re a bit of an enigma. You do post a comment making some sense, then you turn into a pants-pisser about Putin using nukes.
Third: Uncle Joe has made all the right moves. You seem to be ignorant of that.
Fourth: You’re anti-neo-con but you think there’s a hero out there that isn’t on the Dems side.
Is that more of an accurate assessment of your position/no position?
Speak for yourself. There is no we in this conversation.
But you jumped in didn’t you? Do you have something of substance to add or are you just a carnival barker?
First – I don’t think you know what ‘trolls’ means in this context.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=online%20troll
I do not think everyone on here does that.
Second – what post are you referring to where I panicked about Putin’s nukes?
I am not afraid of Putin using nukes.
I am afraid of lots of things.
Not that.
Third – All the right moves? Biden? PULEASE.
For one…blowing up Nord Stream was MEGA stupid.
And I don’t much care if you refuse to believe he did it. He OBVIOUSLY did.
For two – he keeps daring Ukraine to attack Russian territory (Crimea).
For three – he refuses to even consider peace talks.
And on and on.
Biden is CLEARLY going senile.
I am not going to debate this as your mind is CLEARLY closed on this.
Fourth – where EXACTLY did I say there was a hero in ANY of this?
Because I have NEVER thought such a thing.
I think all sides have made HUGE mistakes.
Putin, Zelenskyy, Biden, NATO.
For the record – I DESPISE both parties (Dem and Rep).
“2) what does worry me is the neocons are basically daring Ukraine to strike at Crimea. Which Putin has said is a red line…is part of Russia.”
Ummm…yeah. That’s pants-pisser stuff.
You are the type of person who’s trying to sit in the middle and throw half-assed barbs around to try and remain “neutral”. Your a cotton-candy ass who wants to be liked by all sides. (That’s a nice place to try to remain but the world sometimes requires you to be an adult an pick a side. )
Your trying really hard but you keep sounding like a neophyte. Do you need assistance to become a real thinker?
Let us know how you make out when you join the Ukrainian forces to liberate Ukraine.
I’ll chip in for the parachute.
Sure. What does that mean exactly?
5 minutes after you join the Russian army, my man!
Do you EVER post ANYTHING with the slightest bit of intellect?
Or is every post you make, flat out trolling.
The question is rhetorical…the answer is obvious.
Bye, troll.
WRONG.
Where in that quote of mine did I mention nuclear war?
Answer – no where.
I don’t think either side will go nuclear. I don’t think the generals will let them.
But I do think the war could conventionally expand if Ukraine attacks/invades Crimea. Something Biden seems to want.
Senile, old goat.
And the rest of your reply is just trolling assumptions.
Since you freely admit you are a troll.
And I try not to waste time on trolls
We are done here, for now.
Have a nice day, Bidenbot.
Yeah. You don’t get to say when we’re done. (You’ll respond because you’re a troll too.) the fact that people here can’t admit they’re trolls is funny. We all are. We’re commenting on things other people say and we’re making an argument for our position.
China too. It’s like old age isn’t doing the trick fast enough, and he wants to kill us all while he’s still capable of enjoying it.
So much for lesser evil.
Biden is a senile self-pronounced foreign policy expert and master tactician. He’s as much a joke as he was when he first crawled his way onto the Senate foreign relations committee.
Biden is completely full of Scheiss. That is all.
When desperation sinks in, they can only make matters even worse. A dead horse can’t fire long range missiles.
Two IRS whistleblowers on Thursday revealed that Joe Biden’s DOJ buried evidence of Hunter Biden’s tax crimes. The Biden DOJ stopped US Attorney David Weiss from bringing charges against Hunter in two different jurisdictions last year.
Joe Biden is a criminal. Arrest him for corruption, abuse of power and crimes against humanity.
Nikolai Patrushev, the Secretary of the Security Council, reported on Ukrainian losses:
As of today, we have the following statistics. From June 4 to 21, we destroyed 246 tanks, including 13 Western tanks, as well as 595 armoured combat vehicles and armoured cars. Of this number, we have destroyed 152 infantry fighting vehicles, including 59 Western models, as well as 443 other armoured combat vehicles. We have destroyed 279 field artillery systems and mortars, including 48 Western systems. We have also destroyed 42 multiple launch rocket systems, 2 surface-to-air missile systems, 10 tactical fighters, 4 helicopters, 264 drones and 424 motor vehicles.
In under 3 weeks of the Ukrainian Offensive the estimated value of hardware losses is US $45 billion. Well over 13k AFU casualties. This is criminal malfeasance to send people to their death in such a manner, its a genocide of the Ukrainian people. Keep in mind that NATO has been conscripting Ukrainians against their will at gunpoint. NATO IS PURE EVIL.
So it’s “criminal malfeasance” to “send people to their death” … but not to actually, um, KILL them?
Ask a home owner who shot a burglar whether his act smacked of malfeasance.
Sending others to a certain death without their having been apprised of the likelihood they would not return is not the same thing as shooting at someone who is approaching to kill you.
The one has nothing to do with the other.
But in this case it was the home owner who sent others to shoot the burglar (who is a “burglar” in the same sense that the Manson family was committing “burglary” at Sharon Tate’s place), and the home owner’s annoying mother-in-law also arguably did her best to get the burglar to burgle.
There’s plenty of criminal malfeasance to go around.
We all have the right to self defense, you turn truth on head. Up is down, black is white, you just spout all the nonsense lies of NATO.
I get you hate me because i call out your fascism, racism and lies. You disguise it as “Russian Propaganda” its fascist to blame the victims for the many many crimes committed against them.
The NATO AFU is not operating a counter offensive, its operating an offensive. As the NATO AFU did when the war started. The NATO AFU operation was to ethnically cleanse the Donbass so the rabidly racist NAZI regime could stay in power. The NAZI paramilitaries were armed by NATO and sent to Donbass to take it by unmitigated brutality against local populations defending their homes from invaders. They were labelled as “Terrorists” hence the term ATO and NATO intended to murder them all. All 6 million of them.
Its not that Obama/Biden/Nuland wanted to kill them all, if they fled for their lives to Russia it achieved the same goal.
Its a crime against humanity. And you Sir are an affront to decent people world wide.
Arrest them all for the true supreme international criminals they are. Can anyone tell me why the death of 6 million ethnic people would have historical importance?
You are actually taking as fact what a Russian politician says are the Ukrainian combat losses?
Try again, comrade.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
BTW comrade?
Russian losses in tanks are almost 4 TIMES what Ukraine’s have been so far in this war.
Yes i am saying that the Russian MOD is supplying accurate numbers.
So NATO is ‘pure evil’ for sending arms to Ukraine to try and stop Russia from conquering them.
Okaaaaay.
Than what is Russia for invading a sovereign nation against international law?
Russia has not invaded a sovereign nation. What Russia is doing is legal under international law. Its an intervention to protect the people of the Donbass from mass murder.
There are NATO plans to supply another 250 tanks, including about 120 Leopards and 31 Abrams tanks, throughout 2023. There are also 95 T-72 tanks that NATO has scraped together from all over the world.
There are plans to deliver 983 armoured combat vehicles throughout 2023. NATO also intends to deliver 273 155-mm artillery systems throughout 2023.
This is another US $45 billion or another 3 weeks of offensive by the AFU. With an additional 13k AFU casualties.
Arrest them all as the supreme international criminals they truly are.
Keep in mind the NATO offensive has made no progress but it has made a lot of people very rich and presumably hurt Russia in the process. NATO is genociding Ukraine just to hurt Russia and make vast amounts of coin.
Russia is still expanding its military and is creating new military units. According to Shoigu they have already receive 3,786 pieces of military hardware and are daily receiving 112 more units.
This is not all new stuff but also refurbished and upgraded depot equipment. But compared to what Ukraine will still get the numbers are just huge.
Ukraine cannot win this war even if NATO puts “boot on the ground”, NATO knows this. NATO is Genociding Ukraine just to hurt Russia and make vast amounts of coin.
Arrest them all as the supreme international criminals they truly are.